~~P3/P4 Simeons Protocol Week of 5/6~~

[julieboolie]

Berta - I would stick w. your original plan to move on to P3. I don't think you want the first day of your vacation to be your first day of P3. That would make it even harder to stabilize, IMHO. Also, the drop you had today is nice padding for your LDW (yesterday's weight). Hunger for that long is not good. You don't want to get into rebound from deprivation mode. That will lead to disaster for maintaining your losses. I recall you plan other rounds, so I would call this one "done" and enjoy some food!!

Taryl-thanks! Like you, I prefer eating Atkins induction style (but I've added back GY and strawberries, so not really induction, just healthy LC). You should be heading into those long days soon, right? always wanted to visit Alaska. We're hoping to hit Denali some year. It's on the "list" . You're just about in your window. WTG!!

Lara- I'm not a big Thai fan, but there's a good one over here in Gilbert that is on Living Social a lot. Mint Thai Cafe and Thai Chili both are good (from what I've been told). Haven't made it there yet. Ther'es a lot of Pei Wei/PF Chang Chinese out here in AZ. I like more NY style (more authentic) and found a good place near me. It's kinda' far from Phoenix proper though. Enjoy your visit!! It's gettin' hot here!! Never tried Papadeaux. I'll have to look that up. Thanks!

Doing well. Hit the REI sale today, since we just got home from our fun hiking trip and almost all my good gear is too big for me!! It's really expensive though, so I had to try and reign myself in . Have a great weekend ladies!!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

With drops you need to wait 48 hours then do p3, you said your last drops were yesterday morning which would mean you can eat p3 officially Saturday morning. I wouldnt do 500 calorie on a day without hcg especially at the end of a round you will most likely feel very weak... I wouldnt do it. It would be like doing that as a normal diet and its not enough for you to feel okay.

You said that youre on your 25 day and still hungry which may mean you dont have enough hcg running through your body.... I would consider changing from drops to RX?

Also youve got two weeks to stabilize bebore going on vacation and that can sometimes be difficult not knowing whats in prepared foods... knowing what you can and cannot eat will be helpful. Try to eat super clean.

I have been hungry the entire time becasue I upchucked my two load days every day! I can't afford RX HCG and I wont give myself an injection I am not that brave. NO WAY! I have done well at 20.2 lbs in 25 days on HHCG so I am on to PH3 tomorrow.I won't be going on vacaton until June 5th so that is enough time to see what I can eat. I am a meat eater and salad and veggies.So I should be ok.
Thank you for all the info!!I have alot to learn!!!ALSO my Dr is dead set against HHCG AND HCG so he doesn't even know I am o it.BUT he isn't my boss

[Arctic_Mama]

Berta, I am a staunch supporter of rX, and if you aren't like me and semi-comfortable giving injections (honestly it was a big reminder as to why I am losing weight - I don't want diabetes and to have to shoot insulin! Eek!) you can always do prescription hCG sublingually (under the tongue) instead. No pain, not complex, very effective. Just a thought

Good luck with P3!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta, I am a staunch supporter of rX, and if you aren't like me and semi-comfortable giving injections (honestly it was a big reminder as to why I am losing weight - I don't want diabetes and to have to shoot insulin! Eek!) you can always do prescription hCG sublingually (under the tongue) instead. No pain, not complex, very effective. Just a thought

Good luck with P3!

I've been doing HHCg and have lost 20.2 I too have Diabetes2 non insulin.BUT I am very happy with HHCG. WORKS for me!!!

[LaraSuzz]

Hi all... another zero day. Boo. Burt I feel thinner, look better so I'm banking that its inches. This has been the worst 2nd week of hcg known to man. Thank goodness I lost 16 lbs the first week. 6 days to go.

Berta~ Even if you didnt load the first two days your hunger should subside after the first 4 days or so. I am never hungry. I might have hunger pangs but every time I eat I have to just get it over with most of the time.
I agree with Taryl, to try the sublingual drops next time. Just for a changeto see if your hunger is the same. Theres no reason to torture yourself. I'm sorry that you were hungry the whole time theres noting worse. Thats the whole reason that I do hcg, no other diets take away that ravenous hunger that white foods caused.

Julie~Thanks for the Thai tips we will have to try. It is getting very hot averaging 99* daily. and here we are with the hcg freeze... yesterday I turned up the thermostat to 78 and I was still cold.

Ok guys have a good Saturday~love~Lara

[Arctic_Mama]

Bummer on the zero, Lara

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Hi all... another zero day. Boo. Burt I feel thinner, look better so I'm banking that its inches. This has been the worst 2nd week of hcg known to man. Thank goodness I lost 16 lbs the first week. 6 days to go.

Berta~ Even if you didnt load the first two days your hunger should subside after the first 4 days or so. I am never hungry. I might have hunger pangs but every time I eat I have to just get it over with most of the time.
I agree with Taryl, to try the sublingual drops next time. Just for a changeto see if your hunger is the same. Theres no reason to torture yourself. I'm sorry that you were hungry the whole time theres noting worse. Thats the whole reason that I do hcg, no other diets take away that ravenous hunger that white foods caused.

Julie~Thanks for the Thai tips we will have to try. It is getting very hot averaging 99* daily. and here we are with the hcg freeze... yesterday I turned up the thermostat to 78 and I was still cold.

Ok guys have a good Saturday~love~Lara

Thanks but as I said I am on a limited income SSI and I can't afford the RX. Plus my DR will not allow it.He does not even know I am doing the HHCG.But then again like I said he isn't my boss.

I have read several different post on different threads on this site and they have said they saw no difference between the HHCg and RXHCG. I got through it and believe me next time I will load correctley!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta, I am a staunch supporter of rX, and if you aren't like me and semi-comfortable giving injections (honestly it was a big reminder as to why I am losing weight - I don't want diabetes and to have to shoot insulin! Eek!) you can always do prescription hCG sublingually (under the tongue) instead. No pain, not complex, very effective. Just a thought

Good luck with P3!

Can you purchase the RXHCG sublingual online?
I have a question too.
I know we are to do a correction day if 2lbs over our LDW. But how about if just one lb over?What do you do cut back or what?

[Arctic_Mama]

Have you read the protocol, Berta? I am happy to email you a copy and that will explain all the details of the program. I mean no offense but the questions you ask make it sound as though you have not read or studied the whole thing, and for this program to be successful and safe it is really necessary to understand what you're doing and why

As for purchasing sublingual, it isn't really like that. HCG comes in a powdered form that is mixed and reconstituted into a solution, refrigerated, and dosed at the correct strength (125 iU of hCG per dose) and frequency (sublingual is twice daily, subcutaneous is once daily, as each method has a different rate of absorption). HCG is a very delicate molecule and degrades quickly, so it cannot really be shipped premixed for our purposes without being ineffective (and therefore a waste of money). So we purchase the hormone and mixing supplies and compound it however we choose. In my case I have done subcutaneous for the last two rounds and will do sublingual for the next three, if I need that many of them. Either way I treat with the hCG for about $2 per day, which is doable even for our single income, young family

Not everyone wishes to do rX hCG, but having exposure to both I wouldn't undertake something as medically specific as the hCG protocol with anything but the real thing and complete adherence to the original format and instructions. No rogue for moi. While it can be done other ways and with other things, I wanted to have the best possible chance for success and doing the program 100% effort and as much faithfulness to the tested, proven success Simeons experienced seemed like the best course of action.

As with all things in life your personal circumstances, body, preferences, and abilities differ from mine and anyone else's, so what works for you may vary wildly from what has given me success. But arming yourself with more information, at the very least, should greatly inform your decision-making even if it doesn't change your actions. If you need a clean copy of the protocol that is unaltered I am happy to email you a PDF. But even with hhCG you benefit greatly from a comprehensive understanding of the protocol and stabilization/maintenance thereafter. It will also save you from uncomfortable mistakes like your loading day woes!

I want to help you as much as possible, but the very best help and advice I can offer on a number of subjects is directly quoted from the protocol manuscript. So rather than being an unreliable and secondhand source, I'd love to give you the source, itself, for your own discernment

[Arctic_Mama]

Fortunately or unfortunately I am at the end of my cycle this month and into the PMS water retention, so despis a good correction day yesterday I'm at 170.2, just a hair outside my range. I'm happily continuing on with the keto/induction style eating for the time being and the scale will do what it will. My pants are loose and my bra is on the tightest hook, so the scale isn't bothering me too much

And now I have a piano lesson to Skype in for, so I will see you ladies later!

[julieboolie]

Lara-normal flucuations. You'll prob be down tomorrow. Hang int. Almost done!!

I'm up 2lb today. No bernice, dabbled in some NSA treats yesterday and am really sore fro the workout on Thurs. It's ok, but makes me sad to be so far out of window still. Been looking at "weight ranges" w/ dh today. I am "normal" but still feel overweight. I will try to get my weight back down to my 148, but I am going to stick w. the exercise. I had a BAB today, trying some suggestions from the Leptin Reset. Not a big bfast eater, so that was tough for me. Had a steak (leftovers) and some coffee. Still full, which is good. We'll see. I know that I am very sensitive to carbs and gain easily. I don't htink extremely LC is the way I will live my life. Going to work on the Leptin thing and metabolism in general. Hope exercise will help w. that. But it makes me feel good, and look more toned, so that's something .

just rambling now. Have a good weekend.

[Gilded Lily]

Berta, I have done FIVE rounds of homeopathic hcg and the only times I had hunger issues is 1) the first 2-3 days of a round (I am a nortoriously bad loader!) 2) when my doseage needed adjusting. You might need to go either up or down with your drops. I always end up at 15 drops 3 times a day. Good luck! If you've been hungry this whole time and kept on with hcg, you are a strong person!

Edited to add that TOM always made me hungry too.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Have you read the protocol, Berta? I am happy to email you a copy and that will explain all the details of the program. I mean no offense but the questions you ask make it sound as though you have not read or studied the whole thing, and for this program to be successful and safe it is really necessary to understand what you're doing and why

As for purchasing sublingual, it isn't really like that. HCG comes in a powdered form that is mixed and reconstituted into a solution, refrigerated, and dosed at the correct strength (125 iU of hCG per dose) and frequency (sublingual is twice daily, subcutaneous is once daily, as each method has a different rate of absorption). HCG is a very delicate molecule and degrades quickly, so it cannot really be shipped premixed for our purposes without being ineffective (and therefore a waste of money). So we purchase the hormone and mixing supplies and compound it however we choose. In my case I have done subcutaneous for the last two rounds and will do sublingual for the next three, if I need that many of them. Either way I treat with the hCG for about $2 per day, which is doable even for our single income, young family

Not everyone wishes to do rX hCG, but having exposure to both I wouldn't undertake something as medically specific as the hCG protocol with anything but the real thing and complete adherence to the original format and instructions. No rogue for moi. While it can be done other ways and with other things, I wanted to have the best possible chance for success and doing the program 100% effort and as much faithfulness to the tested, proven success Simeons experienced seemed like the best course of action.

As with all things in life your personal circumstances, body, preferences, and abilities differ from mine and anyone else's, so what works for you may vary wildly from what has given me success. But arming yourself with more information, at the very least, should greatly inform your decision-making even if it doesn't change your actions. If you need a clean copy of the protocol that is unaltered I am happy to email you a PDF. But even with hhCG you benefit greatly from a comprehensive understanding of the protocol and stabilization/maintenance thereafter. It will also save you from uncomfortable mistakes like your loading day woes!

I want to help you as much as possible, but the very best help and advice I can offer on a number of subjects is directly quoted from the protocol manuscript. So rather than being an unreliable and secondhand source, I'd love to give you the source, itself, for your own discernment

Thank you so much for wanting to be helpful,I have read the Pounds & Inches by Dr Simeons. It made no sense to me.But I have read it.I did ALOT of research before every beginning the HHCG.I like the HHCG and can afford it,(We do not have much extra income left each onth after paying bills we are both old and retired) so I will continue with the HHCG I also have some pellets but haven't used them yet..Thank you so very much though.I am sorry if I ask to many questions. I won't ask any more and trouble everyone here.

Originally Posted by Gilded Lily

Berta, I have done FIVE rounds of homeopathic hcg and the only times I had hunger issues is 1) the first 2-3 days of a round (I am a nortoriously bad loader!) 2) when my doseage needed adjusting. You might need to go either up or down with your drops. I always end up at 15 drops 3 times a day. Good luck! If you've been hungry this whole time and kept on with hcg, you are a strong person!

Edited to add that TOM always made me hungry too.

I do not have TOM any longer and I was only taking 10 drops 3x a day. Next time I will just eat more veggies as I only ate about one handful at meals.
I will eat apples instead fo the strawberries too for the fiber.

I am not that strong I have to give the Lord credit for seeing me through PH2 and giving me the extra strength to get through while being so hungry.
I will figure out what is best for me. Thank you very much too.KUTGW

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I am not that strong I have to give the Lord credit for seeing me through PH2 and giving me the extra strength to get through while being so hungry.I will figure out what is best for me. Thank you very much too.KUTGW

10 drops wouldn't be enough for me, but the good Lord made us all different. Good luck, sweetie!

[Arctic_Mama]

Oh don't feel bad about asking questions, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page as these are addressed in the protocol. If you've read it and have a good grasp of the information it makes the process much easier

[icecreamjunkie]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to pop in and say hello!!!
My apt for bloodwork on the 23.....CANCELED! ugh....doc is gone that day!

see ya'll later!

[Arctic_Mama]

That stinks, Theresa! Hopefully you can reschedule without it being too far out on the calendar.

[Berta48]

Went PH3 shopping today and had to laugh at myself.I thought if anyone that knows I'm trying t loose wt sees me with Half N Half and whipping cream and butter and avacado and 80% hamburger and fat steaks in my cart they are going to think I have quit trying!

I had Taco salad for supper with tomatoes, olives, avacado, sour cream and the 6 oz of 80% hamburger. It was really good but I coudn't get it all down.
I did make myself eat all the avacado and meat.Then late I will have my strawberries with whipped cream

Does this sound like I am doing it right?Here is my 1st day of PH3 menu...
Brk
3eggs and 2bacon & 2 sausage links.
Snack
Apricot
Supper
the taco salad.
Snack
Strawberries with whipped cream

I would have eaten lunch but we had alot of running around to do today.

Here are my totals after adding in my food.
67.1% Fat,13.7 Carbs,19.2 Protein

Today is my 1st day of PH3 so I don't know what I should of had.Thanks.

[Berta48]

Made a mistake here are my totals...
69%fat, 12.9 Carbs,18.1Protein

[Arctic_Mama]

Careful with the whipped cream, if it is the canned stuff they often have added starch AND sugar. Heavy whipping cream, in the cartons, is the good stuff to use.

I'm pretty sure apricots are also a bad idea, they are a very high sugar fruit. Stick to stuff like berries, grapefruit, and even apples are okay. But grapes, bananas, apricots/nectarines, mangos, pineapple, etc, are all too sugary for P3.

The rest looks good, if the bacon and sausage were checked to make sure there was no sugar (many are sugar cured). You're on the right track, just watch for hidden sugars and things like dairy and nuts can be staplers.

[jt_gmotu]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

You're on the right track, just watch for hidden sugars and things like dairy and nuts can be staplers.

Hey Taryl, What do you mean by "staplers"???

(haven't heard thay term B4...)

[vanna1970]

Berta,

I just had a thought. Insulin is known as the "hunger hormone," so I wonder if because you are diabetic and still staking insulin if it is the insulin that is making you so hungry? I know you lowered your dose, but I wonder if the dose was still too much for a mere 500 calories a day, and the insulin roaming your body wanted more food in the system. Maybe when you do Ph2 again, you could play around with the insulin dose, lower it a little more, and see if it helps.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Careful with the whipped cream, if it is the canned stuff they often have added starch AND sugar. Heavy whipping cream, in the cartons, is the good stuff to use.

I'm pretty sure apricots are also a bad idea, they are a very high sugar fruit. Stick to stuff like berries, grapefruit, and even apples are okay. But grapes, bananas, apricots/nectarines, mangos, pineapple, etc, are all too sugary for P3.

The rest looks good, if the bacon and sausage were checked to make sure there was no sugar (many are sugar cured). You're on the right track, just watch for hidden sugars and things like dairy and nuts can be staplers.

Didn't think to look fo sugars it was the canned stuff. Lesson learned I was up 2lbs this morning but zI weighed early.I am still with in my 2lbs of LDW though

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by vanna1970

Berta,

I just had a thought. Insulin is known as the "hunger hormone," so I wonder if because you are diabetic and still staking insulin if it is the insulin that is making you so hungry? I know you lowered your dose, but I wonder if the dose was still too much for a mere 500 calories a day, and the insulin roaming your body wanted more food in the system. Maybe when you do Ph2 again, you could play around with the insulin dose, lower it a little more, and see if it helps.

Good thought except I'm not taking insulin. I have Dabetea2

[vanna1970]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Good thought except I'm not taking insulin. I have Dabetea2

Oh! Ha! Guess it doesn't apply then.

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by jt_gmotu

Hey Taryl, What do you mean by "staplers"???

(haven't heard thay term B4...)

I have an iPad and it has evil autocorrect. That was suppose to be 'stallers'.

[Berta48]

Well I just spoke with my DD and she has been on RXHCG less than a year and she also is telling me that the HHCG doesn't have but a very tiny bit of HCG in it? She has lost over 70 lbs.

She says she was NEVER HUNGRY.Plus she only paid like 14.00 for her HHCG she bought it over seas.SO she is going to get me some so next round I will be doing the RXHCG.

So I guess I will be finding out next ROUND!

Why are we to eat bacon with no Nitrate? I could not find any bacon w/o nitrate so does that mean I can't have bacon too? The sausage says 0 sugar but it is in the ingredients? Crazy labeling.There should be a law against that(it's in the freezer now for PH4)

[Arctic_Mama]

Nitrates don't matter, but the sugar does. If it is in the ingredients, abstain. My favorite no-sugar bacon is the Costco/Kirkland brand reduced sodium bacon, and for sausage I stay away from breakfast sausages (almost all have sugar in them) and go for spicier ones like polish, hot Italian, kielbasa, etc. You still have to read the labels, but you'll have better luck in that arena of sausages, or making your own.

My experience on rX hCG has been the same - no hunger, not even the first few days, no side effects, excellent losses and easy stabilization so far. I can't complain! That's great that you and your daughter can go in on it together. It really isn't a very expensive treatment when self administered, and works very well. HhCG often does, too, but as I've said I wouldn't personally use it. Now that you have done a round of it you'll have a good baseline for comparing and contrasting your rX hCG use and see what you like better.

As for me, I was down in my window again at 169.6, which is great for me since I am now on a new cycle. No baby this time around, but my husband has requested one more try at it before I go back into P2 and it is only an extra week's delay, so I'm obliging him. I'm staying on these induction-ish levels of carbs until or if I get to 165 and then I'll skate the rest of the month. I decided to go up a rung, so to speak, and add a serving of berries in since I am back below my window. The ketogenic correction days have been a success and if it ain't broke I'm not fixing it, as this is easy enough to stick with.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Nitrates don't matter, but the sugar does. If it is in the ingredients, abstain. My favorite no-sugar bacon is the Costco/Kirkland brand reduced sodium bacon, and for sausage I stay away from breakfast sausages (almost all have sugar in them) and go for spicier ones like polish, hot Italian, kielbasa, etc. You still have to read the labels, but you'll have better luck in that arena of sausages, or making your own.

My experience on rX hCG has been the same - no hunger, not even the first few days, no side effects, excellent losses and easy stabilization so far. I can't complain! That's great that you and your daughter can go in on it together. It really isn't a very expensive treatment when self administered, and works very well. HhCG often does, too, but as I've said I wouldn't personally use it. Now that you have done a round of it you'll have a good baseline for comparing and contrasting your rX hCG use and see what you like better.

As for me, I was down in my window again at 169.6, which is great for me since I am now on a new cycle. No baby this time around, but my husband has requested one more try at it before I go back into P2 and it is only an extra week's delay, so I'm obliging him. I'm staying on these induction-ish levels of carbs until or if I get to 165 and then I'll skate the rest of the month. I decided to go up a rung, so to speak, and add a serving of berries in since I am back below my window. The ketogenic correction days have been a success and if it ain't broke I'm not fixing it, as this is easy enough to stick with.

I didn't even think about the Kielbasa sausage.I have been so accustomed to eating low fat that this seems unreal to me
We only have 3 groceries in this town. WalMart,HyVee and Aldi's.

Yes I am happy as the shipping alone was 25.00.But it is sublingual not injections I'm a big baby.(Does that make a difference)And it comes from over seas. Do you get yours in the USA? She said the more you buy the less it costs and shipping is the same so she has another girl that orders too.
I can't figure out why I lost so well on the HHCG if there isn't any or very little HCG in it? And there are so many that have lost so well on HHCG. This whole plan is so confusing to me sometimes

And here I am with a half bottle of the HHCG and a FULL bottle of Peletts.
Oh well I've wasted more money than that before.

I am not sure what you meant by your husband wanting to give it one more try? And it beiing an extra weeks delay? Do you mean try to have another baby?

I am going to do PH4 a week longer as I don't want to be on PH2 4th of JULY

[Berta48]

todays menu...Hope this looks more like it?

BRK...
Apple
Coffee w/H&H
Lunch
Eggs & bacon
Supper
83% hamburger grilled
sliced tomato
turnips & butter(looked it up 6gm carbs)
Strawberries