P2 ROGUE/fat question

[Gilded Lily]

There seems to be some improvement in losses when a bit of fat is added to protocol. Can anyone tell me about an experience with this? Thank you!

[circusgirl]

interesting. I have better losses when I add protein, but haven't played with fat. I'm subbing to hear more.

[jt_gmotu]

Haven't tried this but I'm interested in hearing! subbing in, too!

[Gilded Lily]

I have read that some people have better losses by adding cream to their coffee. I was hoping someone would chime in and tell us about an experience with that.

[circusgirl]

That would be great!

I put some whipped cream (1 T. or so) on my strawberries once or twice and stalled out. But I can't honestly say I wouldn't have stalled anyway. I never tried it again but it certainly didn't push me to lose.

HOWEVER I did, in an outlaw moment, add lowfat greek yogurt to my day for a solid week and that actually did seem to move things along. I attributed it to the extra protein, but maybe it was the scootch of fat. Who knows?

[canadiandina]

i've been having a cup of coffee every morning with half and half..maybe 2 tbls...since day 1 and have been losing well consistently...usually close to a lb a day. the rest of the day i don't add any other fat.

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by canadiandina

i've been having a cup of coffee every morning with half and half..maybe 2 tbls...since day 1 and have been losing well consistently...usually close to a lb a day. the rest of the day i don't add any other fat.

Thank you for responding! I've been hearing this same thing from other people. I'm tempted to try it. My losses have been slow since round 3.

[canadiandina]

Originally Posted by Gilded Lily

Thank you for responding! I've been hearing this same thing from other people. I'm tempted to try it. My losses have been slow since round 3.

maybe my losses are good cause i am on round 1?
also wanted to add that on one of the days we attended a party and i had a few tortilla chips and some salmon, for the rest if the day i kept my calories really low and i had a BIG loss the next day.

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by canadiandina

maybe my losses are good cause i am on round 1?
also wanted to add that on one of the days we attended a party and i had a few tortilla chips and some salmon, for the rest if the day i kept my calories really low and i had a BIG loss the next day.

It could be the round 1 issue. My losses slowed down after round 2. I know that doesn't happen for everyone, but it did for me. I don't recall doing anything different protocol wise in round 3... just had the slowdown.

[circusgirl]

GL-you know what I realized? I DO add fat! I don't lose on the "allowable" proteins very well at all, so I use red meat. Sirloin, generally but red meat nevertheless. Then my losses ramp up and I feel less edgy.

I was thinking about added fat like cream which I generally don't do...but if I plug what I'm eating into ****** and not pretending that ground beef has the same amount of fat as ground chicken breast then my fat is up there. That's how I lose best. So, there you have it!

[hhcg_lowcarb]

I wish we had more input on this one! I am very interested as well...

***Pump for more chance of input***

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

I usually have beef 3-4x a week, and find that I do better AFTER those days. I have been LC'ing for so long...I think my body responds better to a little fat. I love hamburger patties w/ mustard & dill pickles, taco-seasoned ground beef over 1/2 a can of Ro-tel tomatoes w/ a squeeze of lime, and some good ole' rib-eye!

I'm onto P3/JUDDD style tomorrow...gonna have me some fried eggs & sausage...yum!!!

Whoo-hooo...hit 30 lbs. loss this morning/49 days...I'm a happy camper!!!

Angela in TX

[hhcg_lowcarb]

Any input from someone adding some fat while on hhcg - P2 and get good losses?

Please share

[shelbyla]

Sorry, no experience here but have you guys checked out this thread?

**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

A lot of people on here are mixing P2 and FF...

[Arctic_Mama]

I'd caution you gals - even if you lose with added fat, it can greatly affect your ability to stabilize in P3. If you are adding dietary fat in you are not resting and healing the hypothalamus nearly as much as as the protocol is intended to do, and thus the effectiveness could be greatly compromised. It's not about losing weight, it's about healing the body and not having a lifelong struggle against metabolic disregulation

Just being the voice of dissent, but while I love my rogue gals on here I see a lot more issues with rebounding weight gain or difficulty losing in future rounds, and given the science behind why hCG works and what it is doing to our endocrine systems, I think a great deal of the struggle comes about when we're compromising the metabolic reset hCG intended by adding fat back in. Better to vary vegetables and add more protein, if it is genuinely needed, than dietary fat.

Bowing out now, best of luck!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I'd caution you gals - even if you lose with added fat, it can greatly affect your ability to stabilize in P3. If you are adding dietary fat in you are not resting and healing the hypothalamus nearly as much as as the protocol is intended to do, and thus the effectiveness could be greatly compromised. It's not about losing weight, it's about healing the body and not having a lifelong struggle against metabolic disregulation

Just being the voice of dissent, but while I love my rogue gals on here I see a lot more issues with rebounding weight gain or difficulty losing in future rounds, and given the science behind why hCG works and what it is doing to our endocrine systems, I think a great deal of the struggle comes about when we're compromising the metabolic reset hCG intended by adding fat back in. Better to vary vegetables and add more protein, if it is genuinely needed, than dietary fat.

Bowing out now, best of luck!

Thank you for posting this. I think we tend to forget that we are doing this for long term, not the quick results we see every day. I also believe that we do tend to forget that what we do in p2 effects our P3 as well as effects our P4. That is why I am keeping in the melba/grissini in P2. I think I need to cut out my HWC in my coffee We will see how it goes tomorrow. If I want to kill someone, I will keep it If my tea is good enough then, I will keep it out I so want this to be my last round and if I follow protocol to a "T" then I expect it will be

[hhcg_lowcarb]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I'd caution you gals - even if you lose with added fat, it can greatly affect your ability to stabilize in P3. If you are adding dietary fat in you are not resting and healing the hypothalamus nearly as much as as the protocol is intended to do, and thus the effectiveness could be greatly compromised. It's not about losing weight, it's about healing the body and not having a lifelong struggle against metabolic disregulation

Just being the voice of dissent, but while I love my rogue gals on here I see a lot more issues with rebounding weight gain or difficulty losing in future rounds, and given the science behind why hCG works and what it is doing to our endocrine systems, I think a great deal of the struggle comes about when we're compromising the metabolic reset hCG intended by adding fat back in. Better to vary vegetables and add more protein, if it is genuinely needed, than dietary fat.

Bowing out now, best of luck!

Thank you for keeping me on my toes!!!!!!

[circusgirl]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I'd caution you gals - even if you lose with added fat, it can greatly affect your ability to stabilize in P3. If you are adding dietary fat in you are not resting and healing the hypothalamus nearly as much as as the protocol is intended to do, and thus the effectiveness could be greatly compromised. It's not about losing weight, it's about healing the body and not having a lifelong struggle against metabolic disregulation

I'm wondering about this. I wish we had more evidence so that we could properly assess. I lost 3 pounds fat fasting, but I did bounce up (and stabilize) afterward. In theory the added fat shouldn't affect the hypothalamus that much...as you're still in ketosis. But it seems to. I just wish science would catch up and explain this stuff!

[Paula C]

I have 5lbs to go to goal. Any advice with doing rogue for P3?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Paula C

I have 5lbs to go to goal. Any advice with doing rogue for P3?

No. Do not go rogue. If you add in sugar and starch in P3 YOU WILL GAIN YOUR WEIGHT BACK. Do not play with P3. Follow the rules or you will make all your progress in P2 for naught.

I am not sure what you mean by going rogue in P3 though. You mentioned this in another thread too. What are you talking about when you say rogue

[julieboolie]

Interesting. I'm not sure I buy the "metabolic reset" thing. I've done several rounds. 2 by the book, 2 more rogue. Losses were the same in 3 out of 4. The second rogue round was too close to the previous round. I lost the same (15lbs) w. each round.

With all 3 successful rounds I have stabilized about the same. The added fat in my rogue round did not hurt my stabilization, or help it either. It's still hard to stabilize-no matter what version of "plan" you've followed. Following P3 to a "T" can still be tricky. I will say, that my rogue round where I had cream in my coffee, was my happiest, least hungry, most content round though.

Not sure on that hypothalmus reset. Been researching and trying to get to the bottom of it. It doesn't add up - scientifically speaking (I'm a bio/chem girl). I'd love to believe it, but have not see it truly work for those who were metabolically challenged going into it. It's worked for those w. a little "baby fat" leftover, but are basically thin all their lives. They're not metabolically "broken" to begin with, so there isn't anything that needs to be "fixed". I'd love to do more specific research on it and longer term successes, but alas, not gonna' happen. Wish those long term results were around. Sigh.

Good thread though, thanks for posting it. Would love to hear from others!

[dawnyama]

Julie

Thanks for posting your thoughts/experiences. Very interesting post. I would love to hear more about the reset. I am in the middle of a book that kind of brings the protocol into this decade. I will let you know if I ever get to the end of it and she explains it. The title is "Weight Loss Apocolypse" if you wish to look into it in amazon--I had the sample on my Kindle before I broke down and bought it. The intro was just too good, that I had to have it! But she has researched the protocol in today's day and time and has seen good things with it. Dreamchaser has started a thread on the author's youtube videos if you are interested in more.

Love your new avi btw!! Beautiful!!

[julieboolie]

Dawn-Good to see you. How are you doing? Are you close to goal? You're such a little tiny thing!! I can't imagine weighing that little one day. I'd have to hack off a limb, or 2!! Thanks about the pic!! We just got home from a vaca to Utah. My avi was Zion National park - so beautiful there! I'll have to look into that book. I'm a "never finishes" type w/ books. I have several half-read ones here!! I am sure someone will have to do more research on the actual effect of hcg. There are too many Dr's using it to not have some updated science behind it. I'm not too sure of Simeon's observations etc. The plan is definitely successful, no doubt about it. But, why? And what does it really do?

[dawnyama]

Points to ponder Julie!! Points to ponder indeed!!! Even if you just read the intro, you will get some really inspirational stuff. I am also a never finisher of books!!! Still have a ton of stuff to get through--some I really do need to finish too. Like when I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue the doc gave me a good book to read about it. Never got past the 3rd chapter. When Amy got diabetes, I ordered 3 diabetes books. Have yet to finish a single one! She was diagnosed a year ago! Oy. I am terrible on that one. That is why I have a feeling I won't get through this one either. But I am trying my best. Chapter 6 so far! She did find out that you don't lose muscle on plan. That was done in her clinic study. How exciting is that!!!! Makes you want to read more, I know!!! Hahaha.

[julieboolie]

good to know you don't lose muscle. That's an important one! Now I may have to actually look up the book. Intriguing .

[prairierosetwo]

I have full cream and a tablespoon of coconut oil in my coffee every morning. It keeps me satisfied. I have maintained this weight for three weeks and will be starting another round tomorrow.

[Zenngrl]

I have done 2 full rounds, lost 12 and 17lbs, 17 was with only one fruit or no fruit and never any bread. I did have fat free half and half in a few cups of coffee each morning, i lost more eating more protein and less fruit/no grissini/melba.

I also lost way less hair with the 2nd round. I attribute it to more protein and taking a silicone/biotin supplement.

I'm going to start round three, it's been over 7 months and i've gained every ounce back, but hey... i'm back now!

[MagieDen]

Originally Posted by Zenngrl

I have done 2 full rounds, lost 12 and 17lbs, 17 was with only one fruit or no fruit and never any bread. I did have fat free half and half in a few cups of coffee each morning, i lost more eating more protein and less fruit/no grissini/melba.

I also lost way less hair with the 2nd round. I attribute it to more protein and taking a silicone/biotin supplement.

I'm going to start round three, it's been over 7 months and i've gained every ounce back, but hey... i'm back now!

Good success to you on your new round!

[RedsSkinnyJeans]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I'd caution you gals - even if you lose with added fat, it can greatly affect your ability to stabilize in P3. If you are adding dietary fat in you are not resting and healing the hypothalamus nearly as much as as the protocol is intended to do, and thus the effectiveness could be greatly compromised. It's not about losing weight, it's about healing the body and not having a lifelong struggle against metabolic disregulation

Just being the voice of dissent, but while I love my rogue gals on here I see a lot more issues with rebounding weight gain or difficulty losing in future rounds, and given the science behind why hCG works and what it is doing to our endocrine systems, I think a great deal of the struggle comes about when we're compromising the metabolic reset hCG intended by adding fat back in. Better to vary vegetables and add more protein, if it is genuinely needed, than dietary fat.

Bowing out now, best of luck!

I agree with this. We think with both emotion, and logic. I wonder if emotionally, we try to rationalize bringing in fats. But logically, how can that resonate with the science? And if logic and rationalization are arguing, who should win?

I stay away from fats as MUCH as possible on P2. I want ALL of it coming off my gut - not just some, or most. Does my body like it when I give it fat? YEAH! Do I feel better? YEAH! But it's contrary to my goals on P2.