P2 Simeon's Protocol Week of 4/16

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Did anyone see my questions about HHCG?
I bought pellets and drops from Netriton.How long will they keep? I am thinking of buying RXHCG and trying them first? They cost more but I have read they work best?
Any thoughts? I don't mind sppending the money if they work.and if the ones I bought from Netriton will keep? I will take the pellets first I think and then order the RXHCG as I want to get started!

I do know not to put them by electrical appliances. How about the bathroom cabinet? There's a light above it though?

Also what is the serving limit on our veggies in rnd1Ph2?

Berta I keep my pellets in the bathroom cabinet and haven't had any issues with them going bad. I was told that the homapathic don't expire but that the companies had to put an expiry date on them.

[jabbok]

I stayed the same today again, I have lost .2 since Sunday April 15

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Berta, in all of my hhcg information that I received I was told that Splenda was not an allowed sweetener. I had to switch to Stevia instead. Maybe the other ladies have seen something different than me as there is lots of different information out there on hhcg.

You're still my inspiration!! I'm sure that half pound will come off plus more by tomorrow morning.

I'm on VLCD #4 and finally lost my load weight. I'm actually 1# below my load weight and LDW. Now the fun losing begins!!!

Hello LadyBates
I was told by a few of the ladies on this thread Splenda is ok.I can not stand the aftertaste of Stevia. I have read on other sites that sell RXHCG that any sweetner is really ok that it doesn't hurt.

Maybe someone else can help us out hereI start Tuesday and want this fat off.

[Lildrew]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Hello LadyBates
I was told by a few of the ladies on this thread Splenda is ok.I can not stand the aftertaste of Stevia. I have read on other sites that sell RXHCG that any sweetner is really ok that it doesn't hurt.

Maybe someone else can help us out hereI start Tuesday and want this fat off.

I would say using Splenda is fine, but don't overdue. There is nothing in P&I for it or against, since it was available then. I don't enjoy Stevia either and have had no problems losing while using Splenda. That's my take anyway.

[MemoryKeeper]

I also use splenda without problems.

[shirleychef]

According to Dr. S Sacchrine is ok... and other 0 cal sweeteners. Stevia & splenda were not common in his day. Basically any 0 cal sweetener that you are comfortable with is ok. Some of us don't like the chemical ones (splenda & aspartame) and prefer the herb type (stevia). Many of us have trouble wit sugar alcohols like xylitol. Take into consideration that sugar alcohols do not react in the body like sugar but they do have a caloric value.

I don't recommend artificial sweeteners... but always assume that we are adults and make our decisions accordingly based on our own research, knowledge and health goals.

[Berta48]

Thanks AGAIN Ladies
What would I do without you???

I may try liquid Stevia later but they could never get it here in time for Tuesday. So I wll have to use my Splenda until then.

[Ladybates]

If Splenda is acceptable that's way cool since I have to choke my coffee down with Stevia every morning. I made it through R1 using Stevia and couldn't wait for my first day of maintenance so that I could finally have coffee with Splenda and hwc. I specifically remember asking someone and was told that I couldn't. Oh well, we live and learn.
Anyway, I hope my P2 buddies are all having a fantastic day. I'm officially on day 4 and haven't experienced any hunger yet. I guess I did a great job with the loading, huh. I just haven't had a bm since Monday, which sucks. I may try the Natural calm that Shirley suggested, I'm not too fond of the sm tea because it didn't work well during my last round.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

If Splenda is acceptable that's way cool since I have to choke my coffee down with Stevia every morning. I made it through R1 using Stevia and couldn't wait for my first day of maintenance so thati could finally havey coffee with Splenda and hwc. I specifically remember asking someone and was told that I couldn't. Oh well, we live and learn.
Anyway, I hope my P2 buddies are all having a fantastic day. I'm officially on day 4 and haven't experienced any hunger yet. I guess I did a great job with the loading, huh. I just haven't had a bm since Monday, which sucks. I may try the Natural calm that Shirley suggested, I'm not too fond of the sm tea because it didn't work well during my last round.

I am sorry you were told not to have Splenda. Funny since even stevia was NOT around in Simeons' time and you were told to have that Weird, I guess not funny. Do you have the Natural Calm? I won't be without it! It works for me

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Thanks AGAIN Ladies
What would I do without you???

I may try liquid Stevia later but they could never get it here in time for Tuesday. So I wll have to use my Splenda until then.

I find the SweetLeaf liquid stevia in my health food store and also Kroger. You don't have to wait to get it!

[adelinesdream]

Berta, I struggled with stevia for a while until I learned how to use it. I tried it with my lemon juice in cold water as a lemonade and it was yum. It's very strong so you need only do a few drops or 1/2 or less of the powder pkt. and start low and you can always add a tinge. I made some yummy p2 chili yesterday and it need something so I added a bit of lemon juice and some stevia, not much though, it's very concentrated and many times sweeter than sugar. Hope this helps.

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I am sorry you were told not to have Splenda. Funny since even stevia was NOT around in Simeons' time and you were told to have that Weird, I guess not funny. Do you have the Natural Calm? I won't be without it! It works for me

I'm on my way to get some Natural Calm right now. How long does it usually take to see results?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

I'm on my way to get some Natural Calm right now. How long does it usually take to see results?

For me, very first use. I take it at night in some hot tea before bed. Don't use too much though or you will be in the bathroom for a while the next morning.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

If Splenda is acceptable that's way cool since I have to choke my coffee down with Stevia every morning. I made it through R1 using Stevia and couldn't wait for my first day of maintenance so that I could finally have coffee with Splenda and hwc. I specifically remember asking someone and was told that I couldn't. Oh well, we live and learn.
Anyway, I hope my P2 buddies are all having a fantastic day. I'm officially on day 4 and haven't experienced any hunger yet. I guess I did a great job with the loading, huh. I just haven't had a bm since Monday, which sucks. I may try the Natural calm that Shirley suggested, I'm not too fond of the sm tea because it didn't work well during my last round.

On some of the yahoo groups they are really..... rude telling people to not poison themselves with splenda, etc. Like I said... we are all big girls and need to make choices we are comfortable with. I'm sorry you've been miserable with stevia.

Originally Posted by adelinesdream

Berta, I struggled with stevia for a while until I learned how to use it. I tried it with my lemon juice in cold water as a lemonade and it was yum. It's very strong so you need only do a few drops or 1/2 or less of the powder pkt. and start low and you can always add a tinge. I made some yummy p2 chili yesterday and it need something so I added a bit of lemon juice and some stevia, not much though, it's very concentrated and many times sweeter than sugar. Hope this helps.

ME TOO!! I used to HATE stevia!! Now when you open my fridge there is a basket on the top shelf which resembles a store shelf of STEVIA!! We love it now. Hubby & the kids are all used to it now and it is the sweetener of choice for our family. My littles still use some maple syrup and raw honey (from our bees), but even they will grab their favorite stevia to add to kefir or smoothies.

Originally Posted by Ladybates

I'm on my way to get some Natural Calm right now. How long does it usually take to see results?

I always was relieved the next morning. And I liked the hot tea... soothing.

Originally Posted by dawnyama

For me, very first use. I take it at night in some hot tea before bed. Don't use too much though or you will be in the bathroom for a while the next morning.

I agree with Dawn... you might find you do not need a full dose. But for the first time maybe using as the package suggests would be wise... especially since your plumbing is particularly clogged.

[Berta48]

Hello It's me AGAIN

I am wondering about my deodorant. I love my deodorant it smells like baby powder.But it has castor oil in it so I guess that's out too? RIGHT or WRONG?

Well tomorrow is my shopping day.Off to get ready for my load days.

I am a bit concerned about it because I have been trying to loose since the first of the year and everything in our house is Reduced fatAnd I can not eat like I use to. I use to be able to eat two sandiwches fries and shake no problem! Now I am full after the sandwich.

I really think my biggest concern is the load days not being able to eat enough. I am thinking I will buy some slim jims and eat them as a snack all trhroughout the two days,and while watchng TV at night. That should pack on some pounds I do know I will eat all I can choke down.

I haven't read anyone asking about Sugar free jello.When is that allowed?
We love SF Jello.I'm thinking maybe PH3.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I find the SweetLeaf liquid stevia in my health food store and also Kroger. You don't have to wait to get it!

DAWN
How are you today? I certainly hope you are feeling better. Did you feel well enough to go to work?

We are cooking on the grill tonight.So I am getting ready to go do that.

I haven't been eating on my diet these last few days I have gained three pounds. I hope that doesn't hurt mywieght loss after load days.Do you think it will?

Did you get my e-mail and if so did it work? If not I have another I can send.

Did you see the post where I found the difference in RXHCG and HHCG?

The difference they said is thr RXHCG doesn't come from a human? So wonder where it comes from?

I've decided as long as it doesn't hurt me and will get this fat off I don't care

[dawnyama]

I have lost my voice completely!! I can barely whisper and of course now is when everyone in the world is asking me questions!!! I did go in to work, but had to leave. My eldest son was in a car accident and I had to take care of that when his dad didn't want to. It has been a trying day to say the least. No one was hurt thank god, and just the fenders were bent but it still is unsettling to have that happen. Especially since he is a brand new driver.

I think you will be fine with the hcg. Got your email just fine. Thanks for sending me. I find that the load weight that I gain just before starting P2 comes off in the first 2 days of P2. I know it will come off quick for you too!!! I don't care where hcg comes from either---as long as the weight comes off somehow!!!

Enjoy shopping!!!!!

[adelinesdream]

sugar free jello is okay even on phase 2, I believe.

[Ladybates]

I bought the Natural Calm but it says that it's for stress relief, did I get the right one?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I have lost my voice completely!! I can barely whisper and of course now is when everyone in the world is asking me questions!!! I did go in to work, but had to leave. My eldest son was in a car accident and I had to take care of that when his dad didn't want to. It has been a trying day to say the least. No one was hurt thank god, and just the fenders were bent but it still is unsettling to have that happen. Especially since he is a brand new driver.

I think you will be fine with the hcg. Got your email just fine. Thanks for sending me. I find that the load weight that I gain just before starting P2 comes off in the first 2 days of P2. I know it will come off quick for you too!!! I don't care where hcg comes from either---as long as the weight comes off somehow!!!

Enjoy shopping!!!!!

OHHH Dawn I am so sorry to her that. There is a saying my mother use to say(She ws 93 living here with us and she just went home to be with the Lord Oct21st last year) I miss her. She use to say "when your children are small they step on you toes.But when they are grown they step on your heart"

Hopefully the Insurance will take care of the damages.

I am still going over in my head aboot the the plan. Is my last weigh day(LWD) the very first day BEFORE PH3 or is it the same day I stop taking the HCG? I know I stop taking it after the 40 days and wait 2 days before starting PH3 right?

So where in that time frame do I consider my LWD?

[Jennifer J]

Originally Posted by Berta48

So where in that time frame do I consider my LWD?

Berta, your LDW (last dose weight) is what you weigh the morning of the day you take your last dose. You still remain on the VLCD for 48-72 hours depending on what type of HCG you are taking. This usually gives you a little "cushion" of a couple of pounds. HTH

[Jennifer J]

VLCD6, down only 0.2 this morning. But, I'm pretty sure I know why, I made soup last night that used Bragg's amines. They do have a high sodium content, so I'm probably retaining water this morning - so it should be gone tomorrow. Plus, yesterday was pretty stressful at work, so that didn't help either.

Working a long shift today, but my food is already packed, and I'll be sure to take my glass to drink plenty of water as well.

Hope you all have a great Saturday

[Dawn]

Up 0.4 today, YUCK! Oh well, I just have to take my advice from yesterday, and keep on truckin. I am not letting it get me down, but it does bother me. Just another one of those signs about how fickle the scale is.
Off to soccer, have a great day everyone!

[MemoryKeeper]

Good morning ladies (and any gents)...I am so glad my gain was short lived (mine was sodium based too Jennifer)...and Dawn, you were helping me out yesterday, so I say ROCK ON GIRLS!

VLCD1 - 182.0, VLCD2 - 179.0, VLCD3 - 178.0, VLCD4 - 176.5, VLCD5 - 176.0, VLCD6 - 175.0, VLCD7 - 174.5, VLCD8 - 174.0, VLCD9 - 173.0, VLCD10-172.5, VLCD11-172.5, VLCD12-173.0,
VLCD13-172.0 Whewwwwwwwww, 10 pounds gone and a little over half way.

Only 12 more days till Bacon…

[Lildrew]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I haven't read anyone asking about Sugar free jello.When is that allowed?
We love SF Jello.I'm thinking maybe PH3.

If you are doing Protocol, SF Jello is not allowed on P2. Some ladies on here are "rouge" and might have more information on what might be good to add. I would suggest, that if you really really want to "add" something to you meals on P2 you pick something more healthy. Jello is yummy, but it doesn't have any nutrients in them, only calories.

Since starting hHCG last June I have completely quit aspartame of any kind and it's my next goal to quit Spelnda as well eventually! It's so reassuring to have hear that others have gotten used to Stevia, it gives me hope.

I am down 1.0 this morning!!

I will be traveling with my father today, going to two different church areas, so I am making two meals of P2 Chili to try and cut down on me making any mistakes! I already warned my dad! My parents are SUPER supportive, so that helps a lot!!

Hope everyone has a great day!!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Jennifer J

Berta, your LDW (last dose weight) is what you weigh the morning of the day you take your last dose. You still remain on the VLCD for 48-72 hours depending on what type of HCG you are taking. This usually gives you a little "cushion" of a couple of pounds. HTH

Thank you Jennifer
I am gong to do the 42 days.So on day 40 I stop the HHCG and weigh. Then that will be my LDW right? This can get so confusing at first or else I'm just short a load of a full deck!

Also on load days can we eat Pork?

[adelinesdream]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

You WILL get there!! My phase 3 has to be different this time. My past 2 phase 3's I really struggled, my first was AMAZING and I was stabilized fabulously... so my plan is to enter this phase 3 like a newbie... strict.... non of the "iffy" foods that trigger binges or gains... and keep it really clean. I think the more rounds we do the more we "think" we have it figured out... so we are WAY to comfy and often sabotage ourselves! BUT all we can do is learn from it an move on... moving on WE ARE!!!

shirley, I need to do exactly the same. My first round, I did ph 3 wonderfully well. But after that I let myself have liberties that got me in trouble. As you wrote, theres 2 types of iffy foods ones that cause me to gain and ones that cause me to binge--trigger foods and some do both to me. I need to be very watchful and alert this time. I'm sad cause I went up .2 lbs today. I did rest well last night and I'm doing an apple day today, cause I need the boost and encouragement of losing more when I get on the scale tomorrow.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Lildrew

If you are doing Protocol, SF Jello is not allowed on P2. Some ladies on here are "rouge" and might have more information on what might be good to add. I would suggest, that if you really really want to "add" something to you meals on P2 you pick something more healthy. Jello is yummy, but it doesn't have any nutrients in them, only calories.

Since starting hHCG last June I have completely quit aspartame of any kind and it's my next goal to quit Spelnda as well eventually! It's so reassuring to have hear that others have gotten used to Stevia, it gives me hope.

I am down 1.0 this morning!!

I will be traveling with my father today, going to two different church areas, so I am making two meals of P2 Chili to try and cut down on me making any mistakes! I already warned my dad! My parents are SUPER supportive, so that helps a lot!!

Hope everyone has a great day!!

Hi
I think for my 1st PH2 I will stick with protecol completely!

I have been listening to DrOZ videos on HCG there was 5 parts. NOW I am concerned. I have had a complete Hysterectomy and on estrogen. I am wondering if this will hurt me in any way since it is hormones? He also said unless you get it from your Dr. and that is a prescription drug and the ones sold in stores and online do not have the HCG hormones inthem!How in the wrold are we ever suppose to know what is right and what to do?

I want to lose weight but not at the expense of my life! Also since I have Diabetes2 I am already losing my hair.I may end up skinny and bald OR worse yet DEAD and BALD

[dawnyama]

Berta

Dr Oz was the one who got the FDA to stop production of the homeopathic hcg. You will not find any Oz supporters here on this thread. If you read the old old threads from when we were just a thread on Other plans and not in our own section, we have had a cancer survivor post that her cancer doctor gave her his blessing to lose the weight this way. I would trust those that have done protocol rather than a doctor who didn't even do his research. Shame on him! He said his team could not find any studies that it worked. But I have a book that was based on research that it did!! So I am sure they did not look very hard!!! Anyway, if you are not comfortable in any way, then by all means do not start. I hate that you are having misgivings at this late stage---you did order hcg right? You need to stop googling and trust us right here.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Berta

Dr Oz was the one who got the FDA to stop production of the homeopathic hcg. You will not find any Oz supporters here on this thread. If you read the old old threads from when we were just a thread on Other plans and not in our own section, we have had a cancer survivor post that her cancer doctor gave her his blessing to lose the weight this way. I would trust those that have done protocol rather than a doctor who didn't even do his research. Shame on him! He said his team could not find any studies that it worked. But I have a book that was based on research that it did!! So I am sure they did not look very hard!!! Anyway, if you are not comfortable in any way, then by all means do not start. I hate that you are having misgivings at this late stage---you did order hcg right? You need to stop googling and trust us right here.

Dawn
You are right.I was just thinking since I've had a hysterectomy and on hormones if it might not be good for me?

Yes Shame on him!No I was just searching the web and found it.

Yes I have ordered the HHC Drops and Pellets from Netriton they should be here Monday. But UPS won't get here until afternoon so Tuesday is my first Load Day.I am going with it.
I better I spent over 200.00 today at the grocery store.

I have fatty meats and cabbage,spinach, asparagus and strawberries, beef jerky tomatos etc. But not all for loading just the fatty meat and the peanut butter and cheese crackers and cream cheese and cheesecake those are for my load days. Then I bought Organic chicken breast and 93% lean hamburger, Organic beef broth and Chicken broth for my VLCdays.


Can we have some broth if we want it anytime we want it? Like between meals?And can we put the grilled shrimp on our lettuce? I bought some Waldens Rasberry Dressing at our HyVee Health Market and I was surprised at how good it is

I was thinking it would really be tasty to put the (grilled shrimp with Mrs Dash tomato Basil) on lettuce and pour the Rasberry dressing over that!

Are ALL Walden products ok for Ph2?