Long-long round ?

[yellowhair11]

I am currently doing what i thought was a long round - 40 days - and after the 23 days i skipped an injection once a week so as not to get immune to the hcg. I have heard of 70 day rounds also but not much info on them. If i want to extend this round is that ok ? Maybe stop at 55 days or so ? Has anyone done this and what were the results ? This is my first round on hcg injections.

[Violet_Dream]

I don't do hcg injections and use Intermountain hhcg pellets that I got from Netrition. My first round was 70+ days and I was down 49 pounds.

HTH!

[Turk]

Hi,
I am also taking hhcg drops and am on day 52 vlcd. I still feel pretty good at this point if you don't count the hot flashes coming back now. I am only dragging this out longer because I am so close to goal. I was stopping at 125 and am only 2.6 pounds away, but changed my mind and am going for 120. I will probably change my mind again since my losses are sooooo sloooow. Drop a pound stall for 5 days and repeat. Overall losses are still averaging .5 pounds a day. (hmmm.. Go figure).
Staying on protocol is not hard for me, since I like routine with my busy schedule. Now the food is a completely different matter!! Boring and monotonous! I still find myself craving a slice of pizza for some reason..

I read that if you do injections that a 40 day round is the longest you should do for phase 2 since your body will become immune even if you skip a day each week. If you do hhcg drops or pellets your body does not become immune to the hcg do you can go longer if you choose.

If I was to do injections I would do a 40 day round then onto P3 & P4 then back to P2 for a second round. I guess it would depend on how much you have to lose and what your body tells you.

I hope this helps, I personally thought I was only going to do a 21 day round and realized it was going to go to a 40 day round when I didn't lose as much weight as I thought I would. Now day 52 and still trying to get there. If I wasn't so stinking close I would have done 2 rounds.

[shirleychef]

If you do some research on the OWL (Omaha Weight Loss)... you'll find that the doctor that modified Simeon's protocol allows his patients to do continuous round with hcg injections. He has not found immunity to be an issue. I know of other clinics that do 60 days or more with hcg shots. So, I'd say go for it!

[Arctic_Mama]

If you're feeling too, go for it. I would caution that I found it mentally exhausting to be on P2 for longer rounds, even though they seem more convenient they're not if you're continually cheating because your brain is DONE with the rigidity, you know?

I did my first round on the longer side and wouldn't do it that way again. 20-30 effective doses is my max time before things start getting crazy in my head

[wmac]

Shirley....how long was your phase1 round 2 ?
Your stats are great!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

If you do some research on the OWL (Omaha Weight Loss)... you'll find that the doctor that modified Simeon's protocol allows his patients to do continuous round with hcg injections. He has not found immunity to be an issue. I know of other clinics that do 60 days or more with hcg shots. So, I'd say go for it!

Shirley
Do you mean to tell me you Started this month and began at 253 and are now down to 154 alreadyOr is it the Rnd2 you are on?

[Arctic_Mama]

She's on round four, Roberta

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

She's on round four, Roberta

That makes more sense.Thanks.

I have seen you are on RXHCG I have ordered HHCG and Pellets suppose to start Tues. But I am seriously considering ordering the RXHCG.They are 79.00 But if they work better and faster I don't care about the money.The woman said if stuck with plan I should have 80lbs off by summer Is that true? They ar ligit as they have the x14 x60 etc. on the bottle.

How long do they last shelf life and do they need refrigerated? I want to get stocked up in case they stop selling them.But I don't want them wasted either.I am figuring I will have to do about 4-5 rounds.

You are doing AWESOMEYou are very beautiful too.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Shirley
Do you mean to tell me you Started this month and began at 253 and are now down to 154 alreadyOr is it the Rnd2 you are on?

Berta, look at my signature line below and you will see all my rounds and the losses on each.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Berta48

That makes more sense.Thanks.

I have seen you are on RXHCG I have ordered HHCG and Pellets suppose to start Tues. But I am seriously considering ordering the RXHCG.They are 79.00 But if they work better and faster I don't care about the money.The woman said if stuck with plan I should have 80lbs off by summer Is that true? They ar ligit as they have the x14 x60 etc. on the bottle.

How long do they last shelf life and do they need refrigerated? I want to get stocked up in case they stop selling them.But I don't want them wasted either.I am figuring I will have to do about 4-5 rounds.

You are doing AWESOMEYou are very beautiful too.

If you do not take any breaks you might get 80 off by summer... that is a REALLY big might. Remember if you chose to go longer than 40 days your losses slow way down. I've known some ladies to do rounds over 200 days STRAIGHT VLCD and they have many weeks they do not lose or that they only lose 1-2 pounds doing long rounds. The longer your round, the slower the losses. You will see a drastic reduction in the amount of weight you lose after day 40.

My first round was 57 days and I lost 47 pounds.

Look on the hhcg when you receive it... it should have an expiration date on it. Some require refrigeration and some do not. The info should come with them.

[Arctic_Mama]

The lady was somewhat right, as Shirley said. You could technically do it, if your body was amenable and you took no breaks. But sometimes losses are slow, and we can't control that. If you stick to the protocol like glue (the factor you CAN control!) your losses will take care of themselves. I do not recommend extra long rounds, myself, but you can expect to average about half a pound per day on a normal protocol round of 23-40 days. More importantly, your metabolism will be healed and a new setpoint created, making your losses much more likely to be permanent with just minor daily maintenance behaviors. hCG is excellent, but the speed of the losses isn't actually the biggest selling point for me

I use rXhCG, if the helps.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

The lady was somewhat right, as Shirley said. You could technically do it, if your body was amenable and you took no breaks. But sometimes losses are slow, and we can't control that. If you stick to the protocol like glue (the factor you CAN control!) your losses will take care of themselves. I do not recommend extra long rounds, myself, but you can expect to average about half a pound per day on a normal protocol round of 23-40 days. More importantly, your metabolism will be healed and a new setpoint created, making your losses much more likely to be permanent with just minor daily maintenance behaviors. hCG is excellent, but the speed of the losses isn't actually the biggest selling point for me

I use rXhCG, if the helps.

What I highlighted above is what most people do NOT consider when they think about doing a very long round. Is it better to lock your body in after 30 pounds loss... or go for 50 and yo yo back up because maintenance wasn't as easy as you thought??? I have not gone above my first rounds weight even amidst many difficulties in my 2nd & 3rd round. I do think there really is something vital in locking in the loss as a new set point for our bodies so we will not go above that even if things get really out of control... which if you've met many on this forum or any other group you will run into folks that lost years ago... and are back because things got away from them. Some gain it ALL back due to choosing not to correct, life, thyroid issues, health problems, life crisis... and some only gain some back but want to get things under control again.

Locking in losses is NEVER a bad idea... and this diet is very tough on your thyroid and adrenals... most women have enough trouble with those to begin with... add on an extra long round with no fat to nourish your adrenals... could result in some nasty stuff down the road. Things like that are really worth considering especially since most of us do hcg WITHOUT the supervision of a doctor.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

The lady was somewhat right, as Shirley said. You could technically do it, if your body was amenable and you took no breaks. But sometimes losses are slow, and we can't control that. If you stick to the protocol like glue (the factor you CAN control!) your losses will take care of themselves. I do not recommend extra long rounds, myself, but you can expect to average about half a pound per day on a normal protocol round of 23-40 days. More importantly, your metabolism will be healed and a new setpoint created, making your losses much more likely to be permanent with just minor daily maintenance behaviors. hCG is excellent, but the speed of the losses isn't actually the biggest selling point for me

I use rXhCG, if the helps.

So are you and Shirley saying I should only do 21 days Rnd1 PH2? I was planning on doing 40 days THEN OFF Hhcg 2 DAYS THEN starting PH3 doing that for however long I am suppose to. I am thinking it was 21days? Then doing Ph4 wait 6weeks on VLCD NO HHCG and then starting
rnd2 PH2 AGAIN.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Berta48

So are you and Shirley saying I should only do 21 days Rnd1 PH2? I was planning on doing 40 days THEN OFF Hhcg 2 DAYS THEN starting PH3 doing that for however long I am suppose to. I am thinking it was 21days? Then doing Ph4 wait 6weeks on VLCD NO HHCG and then starting
rnd2 PH2 AGAIN.

Berta, we are talking about really long rounds... like 50, 60, 70+ days straight of VLCD/hcg. I do not see any harm in you doing a 40 day round or even a little longer like 50-60 your first round.. IF you can handle it.

By following Dr. Simeons round schedule you will never get off 80 pounds buy the summer. Here is why:

Round 1 would mean you do 2 load days with hcg, 40 days VLCD with hcg, take your last dose in the morning on day 41, continue VLCD on day 41 & 42, start phase 3 on day 43. Phase 3 will then last 3 weeks, then you move into phase 4 for another 3 weeks. So your very first cycle would last a MINIMUM of 87 days. You will only be losing weight during the 40 days of VLCD with hcg.. if you lose well you may lose 25-30 pounds during those 40 days. So you are looking at that amount of weight loss in 87 days, basically 3 months... so your total weight loss in a normal round will net you around 25-30 pounds loss over the next 3 months. Does that make sense??? Then you would load and start over again.

IF you chose to cycle and ONLY do phase 2 & phase 3 then right back into phase 2 again... you are still looking at losing 25-30 pounds over the next 66 days, then starting round 2 again.... which will most likely net around 20 pounds in 40 days of VLCD... for a total of 45-50 pounds over the next 108 days.

I'd encourage you to sit down with a calendar and a pencil. I like to pencil in my phases/dates. I mark Load day 1, Load day 2 VLCD/hcg 1, then count out VLCD up to 40 on the calendar, then mark Last Dose, VLCD no hcg, then phase 3 and count out those weeks. I think you really need to get a true visual of how long this journey will take and remember my dear... it is a journey, not a race. You are at the very beginning of a very long marathon with many hills, and curves that will cross your path. BUT you are not alone!! We will be here to support & encourage you along the way.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Berta, we are talking about really long rounds... like 50, 60, 70+ days straight of VLCD/hcg. I do not see any harm in you doing a 40 day round or even a little longer like 50-60 your first round.. IF you can handle it.

By following Dr. Simeons round schedule you will never get off 80 pounds buy the summer. Here is why:

Round 1 would mean you do 2 load days with hcg, 40 days VLCD with hcg, take your last dose in the morning on day 41, continue VLCD on day 41 & 42, start phase 3 on day 43. Phase 3 will then last 3 weeks, then you move into phase 4 for another 3 weeks. So your very first cycle would last a MINIMUM of 87 days. You will only be losing weight during the 40 days of VLCD with hcg.. if you lose well you may lose 25-30 pounds during those 40 days. So you are looking at that amount of weight loss in 87 days, basically 3 months... so your total weight loss in a normal round will net you around 25-30 pounds loss over the next 3 months. Does that make sense??? Then you would load and start over again.

IF you chose to cycle and ONLY do phase 2 & phase 3 then right back into phase 2 again... you are still looking at losing 25-30 pounds over the next 66 days, then starting round 2 again.... which will most likely net around 20 pounds in 40 days of VLCD... for a total of 45-50 pounds over the next 108 days.

I'd encourage you to sit down with a calendar and a pencil. I like to pencil in my phases/dates. I mark Load day 1, Load day 2 VLCD/hcg 1, then count out VLCD up to 40 on the calendar, then mark Last Dose, VLCD no hcg, then phase 3 and count out those weeks. I think you really need to get a true visual of how long this journey will take and remember my dear... it is a journey, not a race. You are at the very beginning of a very long marathon with many hills, and curves that will cross your path. BUT you are not alone!! We will be here to support & encourage you along the way.

Shirley
I actually did put that down on my calendar the other day.But now it is all wrong since I don't get to start tomorrow

I figure it will take me at least five rounds to get me to where I look at least normal!That is all I want. I don't care about being a skinny minny at my age

So 40 lbs will seem so amazing to me.That is more than I have lost in over 30 years

[shirleychef]

Berta I track everything on my calendar too... and have learned to use pencil b/c I'm REALLY good at changing my mind about start dates and finish dates.

I KNOW that each round will leave you feeling soooo much better that you will stay encouraged!! You can do it!!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Berta I track everything on my calendar too... and have learned to use pencil b/c I'm REALLY good at changing my mind about start dates and finish dates.

I KNOW that each round will leave you feeling soooo much better that you will stay encouraged!! You can do it!!

[sunflowerintx]

I had a long round when I did this in 2009 and can honestly say the last 2-3 weeks were pretty fruitless, and I gained almost all of it back. This time, I will follow directions.

[Arctic_Mama]

Berta - I would recommend no more than the max 40 day round recommended in the protocol, or thirty pounds lost (whichever comes first) for all the reasons Shirley said. You are better off physically with more breaks, as well as locking that set point in like glue and not bouncing around. Some gals do long rounds and stabilize just fine, but many do not and have more regain issues, adherence issues, or do more harm than good by doing a number on their regulatory system.

I even tend toward the 23 day round, because I found I wasn't losing as well by the end of 40 and felt run down, but not everyone is like that. Though I am sometimes tempted to do two or three month rounds, I won't follow through with it because I think they do more harm than good (and I contend with adrenal fatigue anyway, no need to exacerbate that with my impatience!).

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Berta I track everything on my calendar too... and have learned to use pencil b/c I'm REALLY good at changing my mind about start dates and finish dates.

I KNOW that each round will leave you feeling soooo much better that you will stay encouraged!! You can do it!!

You too, eh? My start and end dates move around quite a bit, but I'm such a planner than I have to record them down even if they change five times

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by sunflowerintx

I had a long round when I did this in 2009 and can honestly say the last 2-3 weeks were pretty fruitless, and I gained almost all of it back. This time, I will follow directions.

It happens, we are our own science experiments and sometimes the tests we do don't net the results we want. The protocol, as written, followed to the letter, works BRILLIANTLY at fixing the metabolic problems that create obesity (which is a symptom, not a condition in and of itself. There is a causal factor for the accumulation of fat and I agree with Simeons it looks like disregulation of hormones, more and more research is supporting that as the decades have passed).

Follow the protocol as close as you possibly can, especially the P3 directions and corrections of weight gain, and you will lock in a new, lower set point in no time. You can do it!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta - I would recommend no more than the max 40 day round recommended in the protocol, or thirty pounds lost (whichever comes first) for all the reasons Shirley said. You are better off physically with more breaks, as well as locking that set point in like glue and not bouncing around. Some gals do long rounds and stabilize just fine, but many do not and have more regain issues, adherence issues, or do more harm than good by doing a number on their regulatory system.

I even tend toward the 23 day round, because I found I wasn't losing as well by the end of 40 and felt run down, but not everyone is like that. Though I am sometimes tempted to do two or three month rounds, I won't follow through with it because I think they do more harm than good (and I contend with adrenal fatigue anyway, no need to exacerbate that with my impatience!).

Thank you for the comments. I am planning to do only 40 days.I don't think I could stick with it much longer than that!

[sunflowerintx]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

It happens, we are our own science experiments and sometimes the tests we do don't net the results we want. The protocol, as written, followed to the letter, works BRILLIANTLY at fixing the metabolic problems that create obesity (which is a symptom, not a condition in and of itself. There is a causal factor for the accumulation of fat and I agree with Simeons it looks like disregulation of hormones, more and more research is supporting that as the decades have passed).

Follow the protocol as close as you possibly can, especially the P3 directions and corrections of weight gain, and you will lock in a new, lower set point in no time. You can do it!

This round I'm going 40 days or 34 lbs and following directions! Thanks a million for your encouragement. I'm on VLCD3 & so far, so good!

[sunflowerintx]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Thank you for the comments. I am planning to do only 40 days.I don't think I could stick with it much longer than that!

The biggest thing I miss is CHEESE, and that's on P3! Good luck! Have you started?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by sunflowerintx

The biggest thing I miss is CHEESE, and that's on P3! Good luck! Have you started?

I think the biggest thing I will miss is the baked potatoe

I start ommorrow morning.UPS delivered it this afternoon