Hcg Rogues and Alternatives 3/26/12

[minimonkey]

Okay, new thread for a new week!

[star a.d.]

hello, new thread!

[minimonkey]

Welcome to the new thread everyone! If anyone missed Diva's stunning new after pics, please go look at them right now! (Diva, maybe you will post them here too... hint, hint!)

I'm actually really excited to be going back for a last little stint on p2 -- this attempt at p3 went all wrong with the bizarre and hellish TOM that showed up, and I feel like I gained a million pounds (which may be almost entirely bloat/TOM weight). I've just been off my diet game altogether for the past month or so.

So... back to p2 for me. I'm thinking a couple/few weeks -- I'll probably aim for the minimum 21 days of dosing, and I am also going to aim to do it as close to protocol as I can stand this time.

I'm not even getting on the scale... just going to do it. I feel a lot more ready to do it than I did a couple of weeks ago -- and I want to do the p3 transition correctly, which I certainly did not manage this time around.

I'll weigh next weekend, assuming that TOM is gone, or at least the horrid part of it is over.

[Sasseaux]

I'm in.

Cocoa Crack made me nauseous!! Ughhhh.

I did a colon cleanse this weekend. Woot for clean colon. That cocoa crack should whip right on through, I hope.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by Sasseaux

Cocoa Crack made me nauseous!! Ughhhh.

I did a colon cleanse this weekend. Woot for clean colon. That cocoa crack should whip right on through, I hope.

You poor thing! Cocoa crack did that to me the first time...but it was killing the candida in me then I could handle it okay. One of those things you have to ramp up slowly... that is if you like it. If you don't, leave it alone forevermore!

Had some bad carby moments last night. SIGH. Back up to 127.2. It can be so hard when your house is stocked for your loved ones with too many carby treats! I keep my main trigger foods out of the house but when I get hungry...nothing is safe.

[Sasseaux]

Originally Posted by paulabob

You poor thing! Cocoa crack did that to me the first time...but it was killing the candida in me then I could handle it okay. One of those things you have to ramp up slowly... that is if you like it. If you don't, leave it alone forevermore!

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Cocoa crack kills candida? I did not know that. Is it the coconut oil?

Also, the scale is up this morning!! I'm back at LDW. I knew my stomach was poking out yesterday. I hope its water retention from the colon cleanse. Or maybe inflammation from the long horse ride yesterday. I rode my daughter's young mare rather than my geriatric old gelding.

[dazygyrl]

good morning.

so today is day 7 for me. after my initial 6lbs loss in the first 2 days, i am only down an additional 0.6. don't understand that. i did have a few social things, but feel i didn't do too bad and yesterday was totally on plan and i was down 0.2. the scale came to SCREECHING halt after day 2. i am doing a 1000 cal fat fast today.

[Sasseaux]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

good morning.

so today is day 7 for me. after my initial 6lbs loss in the first 2 days, i am only down an additional 0.6. don't understand that. i did have a few social things, but feel i didn't do too bad and yesterday was totally on plan and i was down 0.2. the scale came to SCREECHING halt after day 2. i am doing a 1000 cal fat fast today.

I wish I could find that water weight post to point you to. Its about your fat cells retaining water until they are convinced you are not going to replenish them. Drink water and give it a couple days!!!! I dropped 3 pounds at the end of the P2 and I was even eating some carbs and sugar. Your body will release the water when it is ready to.

As for me, apparently drinking real water and not tea is important for me. I have to drink my requisite liquid in plain water form, I have noticed.

[Sasseaux]

Random google search results (wow did not know this!!)

Coconut Oil for Candida: As evident from the text above, Candida is caused by overgrowth of a species of yeast called Candida Albicans. So, but obvious, its cure lies in the elimination of this yeast. There are certain components in coconut oil which can help eliminating this yeast. They are;
◦ Capric Acid: This Medium Chain Fatty Acid (a Saturated Fat) present in coconut oil is well known for its anti microbial, anti viral and anti fungal properties. This is the same fatty acid which is present in Mother’s milk and protects the baby from bacterial, viral and fungal infections. In the body, it reacts with certain enzymes secreted by other bacteria or otherwise, which covert it to a powerful anti microbial agent, Monocaprin. On systematically using coconut oil for Candida, Capric Acid has been found very effective in killing this yeast.
◦ Caprylic Acid: This again, is another Medium Chain Fatty Acid found in Coconut Oil and has anti microbial and anti fungal properties very much similar to those of Capric Acid, if not that much powerful. It also aids elimination of Candida Albicans.
◦ Lauric Acid: This is yet another very powerful anti fungal agent present in coconut oil, and as ever, it is a Saturated Fat and a Medium Chain Fatty Acid. And, like Capric Acid, it forms a compound called Monolaurin, upon reaction with enzymes. This Monolaurin is an expert germ and fungus killer.
◦ Caproic Acid & Myristic Acid: These two acids also have mild anti microbial and anti fungal properties and help cure Candida.
◦ Coconut Oil in General: Coconut Oil is very soothing for the skin (exceptions are there) and the digestive system and help give relief from the inflammation caused by Candida, externally and internally. Its high moisture retaining capacity does not let the skin crack or peel off. Further, unlike other drugs for Candida, the effects of Coconut Oil is gradual and not drastic or sudden, which gives the patient ample time to cope up with the die-off symptoms or Herxheimer Reactions (the name given to the symptoms accompanying body’s rejection of toxins generated during elimination of these fungi). But, this is on condition that you systematically and gradually increase your dosages of coconut oil and do not start with a large quantity all of a sudden.

[dazygyrl]

decided not to do a fat fast...just try my regular menu and increase water....i'm never very good at that.

[belfrybat]

I hope this will work. I responded on the old thread and thought I'd try to move it here.

Originally Posted by CherylB

Thanks for explaining that for me! I knew it was invasive but didn't know how they accessed the heart muscle. I always thought of it as a kind of "cauterization." If the oral meds work for you, I'd probably stick with those, too. Do you have anxiety symptoms as well? Does your heart only get tachy when you exert yourself? What's your resting hr?

If by anxiety symptoms you mean a sense of impending doom, no I don't get those. My heart rate will all of a sudden go from my normal 75-80 beats to 150+ and stay there, sometimes for several hours. I can sometimes convert it with a valsalva maneuver or drinking iced water. But often not, so I just take it easy until it passes. Caffeine will also trigger a spell so I stay away from it.

Originally Posted by 2bfitb440
That's a GREAT loss! Congratualtions. I'm thinking of switching to RX HCG. How did you decide on who to get it from? So much info out there.

I order a good amount of my meds from an Indian off-shore pharmacy, so when I decided to begin Rx, I ordered from them. Unfortunately, right after I ordered the FDA banned importing HCG. I think I must have gotten the last order coming out of India! I really don't know where a person can get Rx now except by going to a clinic, which is very pricey.

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Originally Posted by privatediva
here are my new 'after' shots...(special Symphony concert this afternoon so I got a new dress)

WOW! Double Wow!!!

Well, I'm up a pound this morning. Two things may have contributed. I ate cottage cheese and greek yogurt mixed with a bit of SF Vanilla creamer for supper. I just didn't want meat. Plus I had a hypo during the night and corrected with glucose tabs. I wouldn't have thought that would make a whole pound's difference, but something did.

I'm not dismayed, but am surprised at the whole pound up. But back to basics today even though the cottage cheese/greek yogurt was wonderful.

[belfrybat]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I'm actually really excited to be going back for a last little stint on p2 -- this attempt at p3 went all wrong with the bizarre and hellish TOM that showed up, and I feel like I gained a million pounds (which may be almost entirely bloat/TOM weight). I've just been off my diet game altogether for the past month or so.

So... back to p2 for me. I'm thinking a couple/few weeks -- I'll probably aim for the minimum 21 days of dosing, and I am also going to aim to do it as close to protocol as I can stand this time.

I'm not even getting on the scale... just going to do it. I feel a lot more ready to do it than I did a couple of weeks ago -- and I want to do the p3 transition correctly, which I certainly did not manage this time around.

This is not a criticism, but I don't understand your bouncing back and forth between P2 and P3. Staying 3 weeks on P3 is necessary for a reset to happen -- it just seems to me doing it for only three days would mess up the metabolism. Plus, why the fear of the scale? Even during TOM, the scale will help you see what direction you are heading in.

Originally Posted by paulabob

Had some bad carby moments last night. SIGH. Back up to 127.2. It can be so hard when your house is stocked for your loved ones with too many carby treats! I keep my main trigger foods out of the house but when I get hungry...nothing is safe.

Been there, done that. Just get back on that horse and ride away. I'm so glad I live alone when I diet -- there would just be too many temptations. I admire folks who stay on this with food for others around.

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

good morning.

so today is day 7 for me. after my initial 6lbs loss in the first 2 days, i am only down an additional 0.6. don't understand that. i did have a few social things, but feel i didn't do too bad and yesterday was totally on plan and i was down 0.2. the scale came to SCREECHING halt after day 2. i am doing a 1000 cal fat fast today.

It is quite normal to "stall" for a day or two. Give it time and trust that the plan will work. (Coming from someone who panics when the scale fails to move down.) I've just about decided that I can gain/ not lose if I hold my nose wrong -- seriously, I'm up a whole pound today. I hope the fat fast will work for you.

[dazygyrl]

thanks, belfry....just wasn't expecting a stall after only 2 days. decided not to do the fat fast today and will try my regular menu with increased water. blech...drinking water....but if it helps, i will try to do better.

[belfrybat]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

thanks, belfry....just wasn't expecting a stall after only 2 days. decided not to do the fat fast today and will try my regular menu with increased water. blech...drinking water....but if it helps, i will try to do better.

I agree with you about plain water -- bletch! I just won't do it, which might be a contributor to my not losing steadily in previous rounds. I flavour mine with just a sprinkle of Crystal Lite, but recently read about an HCG diet doc. who recommended SF margarita mix. I found some Jose Cuervo that has 0 everything. Just a Tbs. in a glass of water makes it tolerable for me. When I lived on the border, we'd go over to Mexico on summer evenings and have an agua from vendors on the plaza. It is just water and fruit blended together and poured over ice. I really enjoy peach aguas (10 oz water, 1/2 peach, ice) and make them occasionally and count that as my fruit. I figure with the ice it ends up being 16-20 oz. Strawberry works well also if you want to stay closer to protocol.

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by belfrybat

Well, I'm up a pound this morning. Two things may have contributed. I ate cottage cheese and greek yogurt mixed with a bit of SF Vanilla creamer for supper. I just didn't want meat. Plus I had a hypo during the night and corrected with glucose tabs. I wouldn't have thought that would make a whole pound's difference, but something did.

I'm not dismayed, but am surprised at the whole pound up. But back to basics today even though the cottage cheese/greek yogurt was wonderful.

Belfry, I know you are not disturbed by this , and thought I would mention, cottage cheese is pretty high in sodium, it could be water retention from that too....

Subbing in on the new thread!!

[minimonkey]

Belfry --

There's no method to my madness, really -- I just started this p3 on a bad foot. I've been cycling with short cycles for a while now, so whatever messing up is going to happen has already happened. I have some rx hcg (drops) left that should still be potent, and I may as well finish it -- and then hopefully start p3 right, with daily weigh ins and correction days.

I wouldn't say I'm afraid of the scale, I just know that a lot of factors are going to be making the number somewhat useless right now (lack of sleep, TOM, tons of muscle heavy work) -- I can get pretty hung up on a number if I let myself, and that isn't where I want my head to be.

All that said, I didn't take my hcg out of the freezer until late last night, so I didn't get in any doses yesterday. I'll do a moderate p3 day today with dosing, and start protocol tomorrow.

TOM is finally actually rolling, and I hope that means it will also finish up and go away soon. I've been bleeding/spotting for the better part of the last month, which is a drag -- though this last few days have been hormonal hell all around, with the bloating and breast tenderness and everything else that TOM tends to bring.

I'll weigh next weekend and see where I am at.

Wishing you all a good and successful day -- I'll try to do better with keeping up on the thread this week.

[minimonkey]

Just wanted to share this: The studio work of the last few days has me sore from head to toe, almost literally -- I think every body part from the neck down is sore! At least this little p3 stint probably yielded me a nice muscle gain

The damage from a poorly monitored p3 may have been less than I think, once the inflammation from TOM and the muscle soreness abates -- I've stuck to all p3 legal foods, I just feel I've eaten too much all around -- so this is being declared another interruption, and I am commencing what I deeply hope will be the capstone round of p2 for me.

[julieboolie]

Hi girls!!

Mini-sorry you're not loving P3 and the scale. Hope TOM hits the road and gives you a nice break.

Brigit-good attitude. That fluctuation can drive us crazy at times, but you know you'll be back down tomorrow. I do the crystal light packs in my water. Makes me drink a LOT (like 200+oz/day) and doesnt' seem to stall me. Haven't thought of the margarita mix before.

Dazy- that's quick for a stall!! I'd be frustrated too Hope your clean eating and lots of water works well for you today.

Sas-CO didn't agree w. me. I loved the crack, but it didn't love me back! Hope you have a good P3 week!!

Cat-hope you're off to a good start this week. All that exercise is wonderful!! That's how I prefer it too, outside in the "real" world, not at the gym. You go girl!!

Paula I hear ya. I felt like that on Sat. at the tournament, ate everything (short of pretzels) that was there. Back on the wagon today It's the long term choices we make (and made) that get us where we want to be! You've changed your whole life. You can finish strong!!

Well, as expected I gained my usual 2+lbs from my Sweet Tomatoe's lunch yesterday I had a LOT of salad, which I know is heavy and bulky, but come on!! Every time? I make my own salad (olives, feta, cuc, onion, peppers, HB egg) and add the Greek dressing. Could they put starch and sugar in all of that? And the soup, I only had 1 small bowl b/c I know they put flour in it to thicken it, but it's broc cheddar. And some SF berry mousse. I did have that one little cookise, but still find it amazing I'm up 2lbs? I'm totally fine with it, and even expected it. I stocked up on GY yesterday . Planning to eat that all day. I don't know if I'll make it a true CD, may have chicken for dinner. I'm sure I'll be back down in my window tomorrow. Not worried one bit .

Have a great week!!

[MsHistory]

Please help me... I don't do well without specific guidelines when it comes to eating!

Anybody who does fat fasts:

I have done 3 days of FF and loved it! Great losses! (While taking HCG) After FF, do you guys continue taking HCG and eat P3 foods? Other good advice I've received says probably about 800 cal/day of P3 food. But should I be paying attention to percentages of Fat/Protein/Carbs? Or just as a general rule of thumb eat high protein/fat, low carb, and keep it within 800 calories?

To clarify, I am trying to continue losing weight eating P3 style while still taking hcg. I am looking for any other roguers that have done it this way and had success, and how you did it.

Thanks so much in advance!

[MsHistory]

Or should I be switching to low fat now that my FF is done?

[pendragginp]

Oh my gosh those pictures are gorgeous! Feel so happy for you!

I hit a new low in a new decade (just barely) Saturday, then yesterday and today I'm up .2 from the low, but still in the new decade. I'll take it.

Yay on your ride, Cheryl! When do you think you'll hear about your apartment?

Send love scritches to mini's bird.

[privatediva]

The Greek dressing at ST might have sugar or thickeners in it. More likely it's a sodium thing there. The soup *very likely* has some MSG in it (or an ingredient containing MSG...which means they can say it doesn't). That will put 2 lbs on anybody. It's just H2O

First P3 day=good. I'm relieved. I'm not as nervous about it this time as after my first round because it was easy for me to stabilize first round. I am, however, a *little* nervous that it won't be as easy, so it was very nice to see my LDW looking back at me this morning when I stepped on the scale. Today's breakfast, eggs and turkey bacon and a little coconut manna. mmmm

[privatediva]

Plum, CONGRATS on that new decade...what a great feeling!

[tddurham]

hey guys, chiming in. Did sorta a steak day yesterday, just work was so hectic I couldn't and didn't have time to eat so got a big ole steak and ate it last night, with some sliced tomatoes. Even added in mushrooms. Which put me at a almost 3lb lost! I am so happy. I had to go buy some work clothes, cause all of mine were just looking baggy and pathetic and I about cried when I was able to fit into a size 18! I haven't been a size 18 in 20yrs! Boy I was strutin my stuff that night at work!

Even one of my co-workers wants me to call his mom and tell her about this diet, he explained it to me that he told her one day I was a blimp and the next I was like -shrink-. I just laughed and told him I would call his mom. Just wondering what the scale will say really when I am off my TOM and the bloating and water retention goes away. Not to mention I am creeping towards breaking the 200lb barrier. I am soooo excited!

[tddurham]

Oh I also upped my HCG which could have an effect on it too. I am taking the pellets, which I went from 3x3 a day to 3x4 times a day.

[pendragginp]

Tonya that's MARVELOUS! YAY for you!

Needing to buy clothes because what you have is TOO BIG is such a rush!

[Violet_Dream]

Good Morning! R4VLCD21 and I'm down another 1.6. Since Friday morning, I've dropped 5.2.

Have today and tomorrow off and I'm sticking to 100% protocol strictly (which I do most of the time) because I just want to end this round. HCG has been a Godsend, has gotten me to where I am, but I need to move on. Haven't decided if I'm going to track my food yet when I get to maintenance, but I think I'm going to stick with Atkins Induction for a while and not weigh every single day....I'm thinking of every other day for a while, then every third day, etc. My MIL is coming over today and offered to take my son and I out for lunch, I asked if we can go to Starbucks instead so I can just have tea. No creamer in my coffee either...this round needs to end. She was totally cool about it.

Have a great day everyone!

[CherylB]

I always have this happen to me when the new thread doesn't start on Sunday night. I start reading through the new posts and clicking "multiquote" then see that we've moved to the new thread and that I can't quote those posts. Yeesh! So, this is my attempt to comment on the old posts before reading the new ones here and forgetting.

Deb, I love PBS and will be sure to look for that program. Are you in it too? Hope so! So happy for you that it was such a momentous evening for all of you!

Sue, I think that cocoa crack is an acquired taste. It is oily but then again, how could it not be? Did you put it into the freezer to get it nice and hard? I put crushed up almonds and natural (unsweetened) coconut flakes in the one batch I made, but I'm too sensitive to CO. I bloat and can't lose when eating it.

OK! Now to catch up here....

[DisneyPrincess]

Marking my spot

Done dieting for now as me and Dh get to some baby making (well after TOM leaves ). If I don't get pregnant I might do one short round come June but Dh specially asked me not to lose more weight. We compromised on 5 more pounds

I'll be cheering you all on but I'm jumping off the hHCG train for now

[privatediva]

have fun, DP! Best wishes for successful...you know!