~~P3/P4 Simeon's Protocol Week of 03/05 ~ (

[BaileysGirl]

Shelby - VODKA CD! I love you girl!

1 week away from P2 for me! Round 3 is approaching. I am .5 outside my window right now. Not doing a CD at this point just going to try to be good this week!Have a great week all!

[shelbyla]

Hi everyone! Thanks for starting the new thread Sunny!

Hahahaha! Yeah, completely unintentional but when you have like 5 STRONG vodka and lemonaides between 3pm and 9pm and then pass out, you end up with a "vodka cd". Come to think of it, I ate a couple of pieces of bacon right before passing out so I guess it was technically a "vodka and bacon" correction day... A girl's dream come true!

In any case, I was back up a bit today to 144.5 (same as Saturday morning) but I'll see if that number holds this week. I ate hummus yesterday with my chicken and cheese "breadsticks" and I got into both peanut and almond butter AND I was still recovering from the aforementioned vodka cd so I have no doubt that the 143 number yesterday was on the odd side. I am still going to be trying to inch up the calorie ladder to see where the level is that I stay steady. I am wondering if this a simply a matter of too many calories. It hasn't worked that way in rounds past but every round is different so we'll see what we can see. I am officially in P4 now but really holding off on anything too carby until I can see some stable weights.

I may make an attempt at a "down day" tomorrow to see if JUDDD can do anything for me. Do we have any current JUDDD maintainers around the thread these days? Just wondering if there a significant difference between JUDDD results low-carbing on UPs instead of eating anything you want?

[bkm]

Signing in to this thread ...

I'm on the 4th day of P3 - weighed 129.5# this morning (my LDW was 130#) - I'm being very cautious! I'm happy at this weight, clothes fit nicely and I think it's a healthy weight for me.

[shirleychef]

YEAH Bonnie!

Shelby.. .what was your LDW?? I'm not up on everyone's history quite yet. I see though that you have done AMAZINGLY well with this protocol and offer HUGE congrats on your shrinkage! Do you have any inclination why you've struggled to stay in the zone this round? I know some of us can pinpoint where we've not found the right balance with food, or stress or sleep or whatever... but sometimes... lack of stabilization is a struggle and a mystery!?!

I'm up... I'm guessing that I'm 2-3 POUNDS above my window. I haven't been able to weigh the past couple days b/c TOM has been REALLY heavy and yucky. The blip is partly TOM and partly b/c I added exercise from day 1 of phase 3 and I haven't exercised since my load day of round 2... so it has been MONTHS since I've exercised. I'm LOVING moving my body though so I'm not going to stop because of a blip on the scale.

My BIG problem with the gain is I've been eating everything in site... NO SUGAR and NO STARCH mind you.. but tons of everything that is "allowed". Hind site is ALWAYS better than fore site.. I should have ended this round on day 33 rather than doing a PI.. I never got my head back in the game after the PI.. so sad! ANYWAY, my food control has been TONS better yesterday and today! I even put food AWAY today b/c I was full. Progress.... control..... YEAH!!

So I'm done eating for the day and it is 3 p.m. I have a busy evening and don't like eating after 7 so... I'm done. Just had a lovely burger (no bun) with mayo and a few bites of full fat GY (that is what I put away b/c I'm full ). I've gotten in 3 quarts of water already and will just sip as thirst requires for the rest of the evening. I'm trying to lower my water to about 3 quarts a day. I drink 1 gallon when I'm on the VLCD.

I did my walking work out... 2 miles... earlier this afternoon. I've not missed a day of exercise so far which is BIG for me... I usually stop and start a million times but I want to see how many days in a row I can do my exercise without having to miss one... my own personal challenge! Can I hit 100 days in a row??

Tomorrow's plan is coffee in the morning with cream, then nothing until my steak in the evening with a tomato or apple. Hopefully that old fashioned steak day will help to get me closer if not into my "zone". Not sure what I'll do Wed if my weight is still up.. but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it!

Hope you phase 3 & 4 folks are happily in your zones and enjoying your day!

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[Ladybates]

Exercise question!!! Are we allowed to work out during P3? I'm ready to incorporate some exercise now.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Shelby.. .what was your LDW?? I'm not up on everyone's history quite yet. I see though that you have done AMAZINGLY well with this protocol and offer HUGE congrats on your shrinkage! Do you have any inclination why you've struggled to stay in the zone this round? I know some of us can pinpoint where we've not found the right balance with food, or stress or sleep or whatever... but sometimes... lack of stabilization is a struggle and a mystery!?!

Shirley, my LDW was 141.4 but I was actually down to 139.8 after the first VLCD without hcg. I ended my round EXACTLY at 140 but IMMEDIATELY jumped up almost 5 pounds (first day after eating P3) but didn't do a cd because I couldn't bear it--not on P3, day 2. Since then, I have been as high as 149.7 and as low as 142.2 but through P3, I was only in my window 3 days. If I had done a cd every day I was out, I would have been cd'ing the entire time! I adjusted my LDW to 143, then 145, then 147, but the weight just kept climbing. I have tried Leptin, P2++, higher calories, lower calories, macronutrient adjustments, cd's of all sorts, and nothing has really helped. Last week, I had a really stressful day on Wednesday so ate very lightly--around 1300 calories--and lost a pound and a half. Thursday, I ate similarly and increased calories slightly--around 1500. Lost a pound. Friday, around 1700. Lost another 1.5. Saturday was all that vodka so I dropped another 1.5 that immediately came back on today (dehydration?) but I am just wondering if it's really all about the calories. Today, I am eating lightly until dinner. Depending on the primary stressor in my life (with whom I am having dinner tonight! ), it remains to be seen how much I'll actually be eating. In any case, we'll see what the scale says tomorrow. It's a mystery indeed! Definitely different than any other round I've done.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Exercise question!!! Are we allowed to work out during P3? I'm ready to incorporate some exercise now.

Yes but do be aware that the scale might be slightly wonky if you're not used to the exercise. It should settle down pretty quickly though.

[icecreamjunkie]

Ok, a little panicky.....i feel like i'm totally full....haven't had my snack like i had planned and not even hungry for dinner. Don't even know what i want to cook.....i am going to grill a flat iron steak for the next couple of days. Should i shoot for the full calorie day (what i need for my rmr) or transition into calories slowly?

a calorie calculator said my need was 2652 That is a LOT!

AND I'm trying to do the tracking on *********** and it wont allow me to put food on my breakfast!

[shelbyla]

If it feels right to you, feel free to slowly increase calories instead of jumping right in. I can't help you with the *********** thing...sorry!

[shelbyla]

@garnet -- I saw you posted that you didn't like any low carb cheesecakes. I have a recipe that I've gotten to the "damn close to perfect" state. Tastes EXACTLY like lovely, dense, NY cheesecake. Lots of fun variations too.

Interested?

[icecreamjunkie]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

@garnet -- I saw you posted that you didn't like any low carb cheesecakes. I have a recipe that I've gotten to the "damn close to perfect" state. Tastes EXACTLY like lovely, dense, NY cheesecake. Lots of fun variations too.

Interested?

ummm, yes PLEASE! lol...I'm a desert junkie! lol
The cocoa crack....um really is like crack for me! (NOT that I know what crack is like!) I could mainline it if that were possible! (NOT that I know what that is like either!) lol

I have always done really well when doing SB or Atkins....so I think I will be ok once I get my calories right...the 2500+ just seems HIGH!

[shelbyla]

Low-carb Cheesecake

Take eggs and cream cheese out of fridge. They should be room temp when you start. If you forget, submerge them in a warm water bath. Pre-heat oven to 350.

Crust:
1 1/2c finely chopped nuts or nut flours (I like 3/4 to 1c almond flour and 3/4 to 1/2c other nuts like pecans or walnuts. I didn't like cashews or peanuts--they don’t crisp up enough)
4T melted butter
2T powdered sweetener
(can add 1T dark cocoa powder if appropriate for variation--see below)

Filling:
32oz (4 bars) cream cheese
1 1/3-1 1/2 c powdered sweetener (make sure you mix at least two types. All of one makes a very bitter cheesecake. I like 1/2c each erythritol, xylitol and Splenda
3 eggs (large) or 2 eggs (extra large/jumbo)
3 egg yolks
2t vanilla
2t lemon juice
16 ounces sour cream

Pulse nuts/nut flours together with sweetener in a food processor or chop finely, if using whole nuts. Add melted butter to all nuts/nut flours 1T at a time (can take 2-6T, depending on nuts used). When crust starts to come together in a ball, press into the bottom and up the sides of a 9-10 inch springform pan. Bake at 350 for 10 minutes or until crust starts to brown and is fragrant. Set aside and reduce oven temp to 325.

Start by beating the cream cheese on low until light and fluffy. Add the sugar substitute a little at a time and continue beating until creamy. Add one egg at a time and beat after each egg. When eggs have been mixed into the cream cheese, add vanilla and lemon juice, Add the sour cream last until just blended in (do not overmix at this point). Pour cream cheese mixture into the springform pan. Place on the top or middle rack of oven for one hour and 15 minutes (higher in the oven will make the top more brown). DO NOT OPEN THE OVEN FOR THE FIRST HOUR--this will cause the cheesecake to crack. When time is up, turn off the oven and prop open the oven door. The cheesecake will be a bit wobbly in the middle and a toothpick will not come out clean. This is ok. Leave in oven for one hour. After one hour, remove from oven. Run a knife around the edge of the cheesecake, so if it shrinks while cooling it will not crack at that time either. Let cool to just about room temperature and refrigerate at least overnight but preferably 24 hours to let the cheesecake season (it will be worth the wait--trust me). Serves 16. 319 Calories; 28g Fat (79.6% calories from fat); 9g Protein; 7g Carbohydrate; 1g Dietary Fiber


Variations:
This cheesecake is fabulous just plain or with a berry topping (and whipped cream of course!) BUT if you'd like a flavored cheesecake, swirl the following into the cheesecake batter after it is in the pan but before baking (put ingredient on top and swirl into batter with a butter knife)…

Berry Swirl Cheesecake – puree enough raspberries and strawberries together to make about ¾ - 1c puree. Swirl into batter.
Caramel Swirl Cheesecake – Omit lemon juice from cheesecake batter. Swirl in enough sugar-free caramel ice cream topping to make it pretty.
Chocolate Swirl Cheesecake – Omit lemon juice from cheesecake batter. Swirl in enough sugar-free fudge or chocolate ice cream topping to make it pretty (if using a very thick topping, mix a little of the topping with 1/2c cheesecake batter then swirl in).
Chocolate Mint Swirl Cheesecake – Omit lemon juice from cheesecake batter. Crush 3 or 4 sugar-free peppermints and mix with sugar-free chocolate ice cream topping. Swirl into batter.
Peanut Butter Cheesecake – Omit lemon juice from cheesecake batter. Mix 1/2c cheesecake batter with 1/2c peanut butter. Swirl into batter.
Turtle Cheesecake – Omit lemon juice from cheesecake batter. Mix 1/2c chopped peanuts with 1/2c sugar-free chocolate ice cream topping drop on top of batter. Criss-cross with sugar-free caramel topping. Swirl into batter.
Key Lime Cheesecake – Replace lemon juice with key lime or lime juice. Grate 3-4T of key lime or lime zest. Swirl into batter.
Mandarin Orange Cheesecake – Mostly drain a small can of no sugar mandarin oranges (leave a little juice). Grate the zest of one orange and combine with orange pulp. Swirl into batter.
White Chocolate Berry Cheesecake – Melt 1/2c of sugar-free white chocolate chips. Mix with 1/2c berry puree and a little cheesecake batter (mixture will be lumpy). Swirl into batter.
Lemon Cheesecake – Increase lemon juice to 3T. Grate 3-4T lemon zest and swirl into batter.
Pumpkin Cheesecake – Combine 1/2c of cheesecake batter with 1c pumpkin puree. Swirl into batter.

[Tricialy]

Hey Shelby,

I know there are a few people on the JUDDD boards that are practicing JUDDD the low-carb way after HCG. I plan to start after I return from vacation next week (will start around the 19th) to lose the last 5 lbs. and hopefully maintain.

[icecreamjunkie]

ok, if i don't put on 20 lbs tomorrow i will be stunned! I feel and look bloated! Is this a normal feeling for the first day of p3? lol

according to my calculations I ended my day around 1600-1700 calories and i'm still chugging water. I've had zero sugar or starches, but a whole lotta meat! I may have started adding too many different meats at first? But the idea of flat iron steak had me drooling!

[Ladybates]

I can't wait to see what the scale tells me tomorrow morning. Here's what I ate today and I have a funny feeling that it's not gonna be pretty because I feel stuffed.
Breakfast- Cottage Cheese and apple with coffee and hwc
Lunch- Taco salad with chicken, steak, sour cream, guacamole (no beans or cheese)
Dinner- Taco salad (yes, again) with beef, sour cream, guacamole and very little cheese
Snack- Pork skins

Today is my 3rd day on P3 and so far I'm only .2 over my LDD.

[icecreamjunkie]

Have any of ya'll heard of raspberry ketones??? It was on a video on dr oz....sounds interesting....wanted to know if anyone else has heard of it?

I had a small handful of strawberries and a dallop of whipped cream....I just feel gross!!! I stopped shy of 1670 calories for the day...but MAN....I THOUGHT I was going to LOVE being able to almost binge eat compared to p2. I gotta say....I actually miss my hcg and my little meals.

I need to go to sleep but I am actually dreading the scales tomorrow!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Exercise question!!! Are we allowed to work out during P3? I'm ready to incorporate some exercise now.

I started exercise my first round during phase 3... stopped exercising when I started round 2... and just started exercising again AFTER round 3. I'm in phase 3 round 3 and started exercising day one of phase 3. :-) I'm loving getting my body moving again!

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Yes but do be aware that the scale might be slightly wonky if you're not used to the exercise. It should settle down pretty quickly though.

True... my weight jumps all over the place when I start and each time I increase the intensity of my work out.

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[BaileysGirl]

Morning!!

I saw the RASPBERRY KETONES on Dr Oz...I thought about ordering a bottle! They make your body think it's skinny so it burns calories as such or something of the sort! Still haven't looked online for them...

Well I ate some girl scout cookies yesterday along with all my other meals. Plus I had some donuts over the weekend. Sure enough the scale is UP! I just went hog wild pretty much. I still have to learn the self control part of this and that it's just not worth it. I've also noticed when I do eat a lot of sugar I get a tummy ache. So clean eating days ahead in preparation for Round 3 - Loading on Sat/Sun of this week. Hoping I can get off these 2 extra pounds!

I am also planning to start walking this week. Just on my 15 minute breaks here at work and on my work at home days maybe doing 15 minutes or so on the elliptical and some lunges. I want to be doing this when I enter Round 3 so I can continue it in hopes that I don't lose any more BUTT this next round!

[icecreamjunkie]

Good Morning!!
I was up 1.6 from yesterdays lowest weight of 265. BUT I am thinking that the weight I should be going with is 267...so I am still under that weight. I ate a LOT of food yesterday and felt so gross when I went to bed! But I was up all night in the bathroom... The food hasn't made me sick or anything...little upset but nothing major...so far so good for p3.

I ordered the raspberry ketones on netrition along with some coconut stuff last night. I will let ya'll know how they go. I love Dr Oz. He was actually supporting hcg on one of his shows.

Hope everyone has a great day!!!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Shirley, my LDW was 141.4 but I was actually down to 139.8 after the first VLCD without hcg. I ended my round EXACTLY at 140 but IMMEDIATELY jumped up almost 5 pounds (first day after eating P3) but didn't do a cd because I couldn't bear it--not on P3, day 2. Since then, I have been as high as 149.7 and as low as 142.2 but through P3, I was only in my window 3 days. If I had done a cd every day I was out, I would have been cd'ing the entire time! I adjusted my LDW to 143, then 145, then 147, but the weight just kept climbing. I have tried Leptin, P2++, higher calories, lower calories, macronutrient adjustments, cd's of all sorts, and nothing has really helped. Last week, I had a really stressful day on Wednesday so ate very lightly--around 1300 calories--and lost a pound and a half. Thursday, I ate similarly and increased calories slightly--around 1500. Lost a pound. Friday, around 1700. Lost another 1.5. Saturday was all that vodka so I dropped another 1.5 that immediately came back on today (dehydration?) but I am just wondering if it's really all about the calories. Today, I am eating lightly until dinner. Depending on the primary stressor in my life (with whom I am having dinner tonight! ), it remains to be seen how much I'll actually be eating. In any case, we'll see what the scale says tomorrow. It's a mystery indeed! Definitely different than any other round I've done.

Shelby I can relate! That is how my stabilization was after round 2. I was up the first day of phase 3... and did NOT feel like correcting so continued to climb then finally started doing CD's and was doing 3-4 a WEEK. Adjusted my LDW and still had to correct 2 times a week to stay there until I trashed it all and stopped weighing for the 3 weeks before I started Round 3. Gained about 12 pounds back before the first VLCD of round 3.

This round I kinda did the same thing.... I was struggling so much to stay On Protocol.. anyway... doing a CD today.. Steak day. We'll see how close that get me to my zone. I'm 4.2 ABOVE the +2.. YIKES! So it will take some work this week to get back down and then to stay there.

I've heard so many positive things about JUDDDing... I'm really considering it to try to get the last 10 pounds off. I don't have another hcg round in my right now. I'm skinnier than I have EVER been in my adult life and am at a normal BMI for my height... so losing the weight is not desperate... just desired. I think I'd be ok with it happening slowly over the next few months by JUDDDing. I just don't even know if I have the power to JUDDD right now... so getting back down to my LDW is my first goal.. then we'll move on from there.

It is very cool that your body seems to be responding to the lower calorie days. GREAT JOB!!! I find that so much of this journey is a huge process of trial and error while we find what food balance works best for our bodies. I don't think there is a "one size fits all" approach to maintenance.

Have a great day everyone!


Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by icecreamjunkie

Good Morning!!
I was up 1.6 from yesterdays lowest weight of 265. BUT I am thinking that the weight I should be going with is 267...so I am still under that weight. I ate a LOT of food yesterday and felt so gross when I went to bed! But I was up all night in the bathroom... The food hasn't made me sick or anything...little upset but nothing major...so far so good for p3.

I ordered the raspberry ketones on netrition along with some coconut stuff last night. I will let ya'll know how they go. I love Dr Oz. He was actually supporting hcg on one of his shows.

Hope everyone has a great day!!!

If your last dose weight was 267 then YES! That is the ONLY weight that matters. Many people lose weight during those days of VLCD with no hcg, but RARELY does that loss stick. Just keep your eye on your LDW. So your magic "Zone" is 265 - 269... anything in there merits a happy dance! Above that.. do a cd.. below... you can add a little more fruit if you like or nut butters or nuts... or you can just leave it alone (my off protocol advice ).

Have a super phase 3!! :-)

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[Ladybates]

Ugh. So I gained exactly 1lb this morning. My guess is that it was from the sour cream and guacamole in my 2 taco salads yesterday. That puts me at about 1.2lbs over my LDW, I know that it's not 2 lbs over but I feel like I need to do something about it. I want to do a chicken thigh correction day but I have already eaten 2 boiled eggs and 2 slices of bacon this morning. Would it be useless to do chicken thighs for the rest of the day?

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Ugh. So I gained exactly 1lb this morning. My guess is that it was from the sour cream and guacamole in my 2 taco salads yesterday. That puts me at about 1.2lbs over my LDW, I know that it's not 2 lbs over but I feel like I need to do something about it. I want to do a chicken thigh correction day but I have already eaten 2 boiled eggs and 2 slices of bacon this morning. Would it be useless to do chicken thighs for the rest of the day?

I would not be concerned if I were you. If you focus on your protein, fat and veggies chances are your weight will not raise further. If you are concerned that the "dairy" might have triggered the gain, then keep it out for today and wait to see what tomorrow looks like. I'm not big on doing CD's when they are not needed. I think it is best to find what I call YOUR PERSONAL "fail safe" phase 3 style eating. What I mean by that is... find a phase 3 "menu" that allows you to lose a few ounces or remain the same EVERY time you eat that way. For me... that is a day where I focus on fat, protein, and veggies with cream in my coffee and maybe 1 serving of GY. I ALWAYS remain stable when I eat that way... or sometimes will even lose a 1/4-1/2 pound.

So, experiment with food combinations and amounts until you find your "fail safe" phase 3 style eating day. It is a wonderful old stand by, for those days that you are at the top of your window/zone... and many times they can be used as a CD when you are just a titch over the window/zone.

I think of it as.... skinny people who splurge usually will cut back for a day or two to keep their weight from going up, so that splurge does not cause a gain that sticks. For me... eating that fail safe way allows me to be more "normal" and adjust things without an "official" CD.

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

I would not be concerned if I were you. If you focus on your protein, fat and veggies chances are your weight will not raise further. If you are concerned that the "dairy" might have triggered the gain, then keep it out for today and wait to see what tomorrow looks like. I'm not big on doing CD's when they are not needed. I think it is best to find what I call YOUR PERSONAL "fail safe" phase 3 style eating. What I mean by that is... find a phase 3 "menu" that allows you to lose a few ounces or remain the same EVERY time you eat that way. For me... that is a day where I focus on fat, protein, and veggies with cream in my coffee and maybe 1 serving of GY. I ALWAYS remain stable when I eat that way... or sometimes will even lose a 1/4-1/2 pound.

So, experiment with food combinations and amounts until you find your "fail safe" phase 3 style eating day. It is a wonderful old stand by, for those days that you are at the top of your window/zone... and many times they can be used as a CD when you are just a titch over the window/zone.

I think of it as.... skinny people who splurge usually will cut back for a day or two to keep their weight from going up, so that splurge does not cause a gain that sticks. For me... eating that fail safe way allows me to be more "normal" and adjust things without an "official" CD.

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

Thanks Shirley, I'll try your suggestion today to see if I'm able to drop some ounces. This is what I'm going to try to eat for the rest of the day:
Lunch: Salad w/chicken and blue cheese dressing
Dinner: Chicken drumsticks, broccoli and a small dinner salad
If I need a snack during the day I will eat on apples and/or celery. How does this sound?

I really do appreciate the help that you ladies give for us HCG newbies.

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by Tricialy

Hey Shelby,

I know there are a few people on the JUDDD boards that are practicing JUDDD the low-carb way after HCG. I plan to start after I return from vacation next week (will start around the 19th) to lose the last 5 lbs. and hopefully maintain.

Can someone please tell me what JUDDD is?

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Thanks Shirley, I'll try your suggestion today to see if I'm able to drop some ounces. This is what I'm going to try to eat for the rest of the day:
Lunch: Salad w/chicken and blue cheese dressing
Dinner: Chicken drumsticks, broccoli and a small dinner salad
If I need a snack during the day I will eat on apples and/or celery. How does this sound?

I really do appreciate the help that you ladies give for us HCG newbies.

I think you should give it a try and see how it works for YOU! Like I said... each of us can be a bit different. For me I steer clear of fruit with the exception of about 2 ounces of berries on a "fail safe" phase 3 day.. .BUT you might do FABULOUS with an apple... celery is a GREAT veggie choice due to its practically 0 calorie and high water content... and the small salad too will contribute some needed fiber..... helps keep things moving if ya KWIM.. the apple will help with that too... I personally think way too many people limit their fruits more than is necessary in phase 3. BUT once again... that is a VERY individual thing. I have a friend who can eat like 6 servings of fruit a day in phase 3 and sometimes still lose weight..... so jealous!

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

[HCG girl]

Shelby: Well, I did almost the same thing as you on saturday, my friends took me out and bought me tons of shots and vodka sprites... so I am right there with you!! Unfortunatly I felt so bad sunday first I didnt eat, then when I felt a little better, I just ate junk... I ate carbs and girl scout cookies and chocolate...

So now I am up 2.8 from LIW! AAAHHH I did this to myself! Well, I am hoping it is temporary and comes off over the next few days of eating right

[icecreamjunkie]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

If your last dose weight was 267 then YES! That is the ONLY weight that matters. Many people lose weight during those days of VLCD with no hcg, but RARELY does that loss stick. Just keep your eye on your LDW. So your magic "Zone" is 265 - 269... anything in there merits a happy dance! Above that.. do a cd.. below... you can add a little more fruit if you like or nut butters or nuts... or you can just leave it alone (my off protocol advice ).

Have a super phase 3!! :-)

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!

ok, awesome! That is what I was thinking! I am petrified though it will keep climbing...but that is me being neurotic...and not totally sure of what to eat other than atkins induction type stuff. I figured I would try to stay away from the cheeses and stuff as much as possible other than a bit of whipped cream for my strawberries and in my coffee in the AM.

I don't know what I would do with out all the great advice and support from all you guys on here!

Today for breakfast I had
2 poached eggs
5 oz of grilled flat iron steak

Lunch is
2 cups spinach
1 thick slice of bacon chopped
2 SMALL roasted chicken thighs
(I'm not sure why these two thighs are so tiny compared to the others in the pack! lol)

I had coffee w/ cream, 30 oz of ACV "lemonade" (ACV, water and stevia)
I will of course guzzle about 120-150 oz of water this afternoon and green tea after lunch

Not sure what about dinner...last night i didn't want to eat anything, but didn't want to not eat. I had some steak and strawberries for desert. But even now at lunch...i'm still full from breakfast and don't want to eat...lol.....I have NEVER not wanted to eat!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Can someone please tell me what JUDDD is?

JUDDD= Dr. Johnson's Up Day Down Day diet. It is also known as "The Alternate Day diet" you can google Dr. Johnson's JUDDD and do some reading on his site to learn about it. Plus there is a JUDDD group here on this low carb forum.. they have info in a sticky on their "page".

You basically plug in your weight, height and activity level to the calculator on Dr. Johnsons site and chose if you are in losing mode or maintenance, and it tells you how many calories you eat on an UP day and on a Down day. You alternate between "normal" eating days called UP days and lower/fasting days called Down days. It activates the SIRT1 otherwise known as the "skinny gene" so that you will metabolize and burn abnormal fat! Some experience losses almost as good as those with hcg... some lose slower, it depends on how strict you are with following the calorie requirements for you personally as to the level of success.... at least that is what I've learned from reading over in the JUDDD threads. There are some over in the JUDDD threads that have done hcg and used JUDDD to maintain, others have used JUDDD to lose that last "5-10" pounds, etc. Others are using it as their primary weight loss method.

Blessings,
Shirley -- Phase 3 -- Total hcg loss: 88.8 pounds in 3 rounds totaling 145 VLCD days!