~~P3/P4 Simeon's Protocol Week of 03/05 ~ (

[hcground1]

Yay Shelby and Heather for a loss!

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Another bad day for me. I was up another pound this morning, putting me exactly 2 pounds over my LDW. Here's what I ate yesterday:

2 cups of coffee with HWC
Breakfast - 2 boiled eggs and 2 slices of bacon
Lunch - Big salad w/chicken, tomatoes, cucumbers, blue cheese, eggs and ranch dressing
Dinner - Green beans, 2 small chicken thighs and drumstick
No snacks in between these meals.

What am I doing wrong? Well, I'm doing a CD today because I don't want it to get too out of hand.

I'm sorry you're having a tough time, seems like everyone is having it rough this time around. I hope things even out for you soon. Your menu does look good, just maybe not enough fat? And what kind of ranch dressing was it? Is it possible it had some kind of sugar or starch in it?



My loss from yesterday stuck, thank goodness! Now if I can only get a loss for my last 24 hours without dosing so I have a bit of wiggle room I'd be thrilled. Slept like a rock last night for some reason, seriously "out." It felt like I'd been sedated or something! Whew, kind of having a hard time snapping out of it.

Have a great day!

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Honey,you are not doing anything wrong!! You're right where you should be!
p3 is the hardest part to get used to your body was just in fat burning mode and it takes a while to all even out.
Your menu is perfect keep doing it.

If you want to see the scale go the other way eat more protein and less veggies. Hang in there !!!

MORE PROTEIN!!!??? Are you serious?

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by hcground1

Yay Shelby and Heather for a loss!






I'm sorry you're having a tough time, seems like everyone is having it rough this time around. I hope things even out for you soon. Your menu does look good, just maybe not enough fat? And what kind of ranch dressing was it? Is it possible it had some kind of sugar or starch in it?

Have a great day!

I'm not sure what kind of ranch dressing it was, I had the salad made at a deli near work.

P3 is so much harder than I expected and really frustrating.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

MORE PROTEIN!!!??? Are you serious?

Yes, One way to approach P3 is to keep your vegetable and fruit choices (but not quantities) the same for the first several days to a week and to add additional proteins and fats. Your protein intake should at least double or triple and you should not be trying to limit fat intake.

[LaraSuzz]

It could have been the chicken in your salad they sometimes put sugar and or flour...

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

It could have been the chicken in your salad they sometimes put sugar and or flour...

I kind of thought about that too. I'm doing chicken drumsticks today that I made myself. No veggies...just chicken.

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by hcground1

Yay Shelby and Heather for a loss!

My loss from yesterday stuck, thank goodness! Now if I can only get a loss for my last 24 hours without dosing so I have a bit of wiggle room I'd be thrilled. Slept like a rock last night for some reason, seriously "out." It felt like I'd been sedated or something! Whew, kind of having a hard time snapping out of it.

Have a great day!

By the way, congrats on your loss. Hopefully, I can join you there soon!!!

[icecreamjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

I've never eaten an avocado by iteself, is it really good? How do you eat it?

I love avocados no matter what...but if it is slightly soft even better! I just put a tiny big of sea salt on it and eat it right out of the shell! LOVE IT! I will also mash some up in eggs...heck, anything i can put it with!!! Yummyness!

[garnet10]

I have been 128.4 since Monday (3 lbs over LDW), and I am still there today, my official start of P4. I ate P3 the last 3 days, did not do a correction day (rogue), and am still 128.4 today.

I ate 2 slices of GF bread today, toasted as a sandwich, so we'll see where that leads me tomorrow. I ate my typical P3 breakfast and will have split pea soup for dinner.

Haven't read through this thread yet, but hope everyone is doing well! I hope I don't see a big jump up on the scale tomorrow.

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Another bad day for me. I was up another pound this morning, putting me exactly 2 pounds over my LDW. Here's what I ate yesterday:

2 cups of coffee with HWC
Breakfast - 2 boiled eggs and 2 slices of bacon
Lunch - Big salad w/chicken, tomatoes, cucumbers, blue cheese, eggs and ranch dressing
Dinner - Green beans, 2 small chicken thighs and drumstick
No snacks in between these meals.

What am I doing wrong? Well, I'm doing a CD today because I don't want it to get too out of hand.

Not sure what your previous menus looked like, but when I eat something from a restaurant I always gain . It's been the real struggle of this hcg business. I love to eat out, but no matter what I eat (except 1 place where I do well w/ their salad) I gain the next day. Sigh. I suspect if you got that salad from a deli there was likely sugar on the chicken and in the dressing. I'm guessing you made your chicken for dinner at home w/ seasonings free from sugar and starch, right?

The other part of P3 that I need to remember (talking to myself here too) is that our insides are really empty coming out of P2. We've eaten precious little for weeks and are literally empty. When we start eating again, there will be some gain just from the bulk we're now adding.

I hope your CD works well today. It's so hard being at the top of your range. I usually go right up to the top my first or second day and usually get to do a CD on day 3 I hope this round is different. I'm going to take it extra slowly and see if I can stick to my window more easily this round.

See you guys tomorrow!! Planning my menu now

[C'Marie]

I am up up UP today. I had a little wheat/starch yesterday, since I should be in P4. Mistake! So am doing a GY day today. Since my work schedule isn't bad, I think I will do a CD tomorrow too, and see if back-to-back CD's do something for me. Maybe I'll try that JUDDD thing just to be like the cool kids

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Not sure what your previous menus looked like, but when I eat something from a restaurant I always gain . It's been the real struggle of this hcg business. I love to eat out, but no matter what I eat (except 1 place where I do well w/ their salad) I gain the next day. Sigh. I suspect if you got that salad from a deli there was likely sugar on the chicken and in the dressing. I'm guessing you made your chicken for dinner at home w/ seasonings free from sugar and starch, right?

The other part of P3 that I need to remember (talking to myself here too) is that our insides are really empty coming out of P2. We've eaten precious little for weeks and are literally empty. When we start eating again, there will be some gain just from the bulk we're now adding.

I hope your CD works well today. It's so hard being at the top of your range. I usually go right up to the top my first or second day and usually get to do a CD on day 3 I hope this round is different. I'm going to take it extra slowly and see if I can stick to my window more easily this round.

See you guys tomorrow!! Planning my menu now

Thanks for the words of encouragement Julie. Actually my CD hasn't gone well today already. I went home for lunch today to eat my baked chicken drumsticks and ate 2, which was fine. But then I dipped into the buffalo chicken wing dip that I made 2 days ago in the crockpot, I had that with celery sticks. I'm beyond stuffed!!!
So...I have already screwed up my CD. I will still only do the chicken drumsticks for dinner though. Pray for me PLEASE!!!

[garnet10]

Well I had two slices GF bread for lunch (included the same protein/cheese I usually put in a chef's salad, plus a pickle) and I am so bloated my pants are tight.

It's really amazing what grains/starches can do in such a short period of time. Really curious to see what happens on that scale tomorrow.

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

@garnet -- I saw you posted that you didn't like any low carb cheesecakes. I have a recipe that I've gotten to the "damn close to perfect" state. Tastes EXACTLY like lovely, dense, NY cheesecake. Lots of fun variations too.

Interested?

Oh, thank you!!! I'm finally going through this thread. I am very interested and saw your recipe--sounds great! I'm going to make a regular cheesecake for my family this weekend, and try this one out for me. Thanks!

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by garnet10

Oh, thank you!!! I'm finally going through this thread. I am very interested and saw your recipe--sounds great! I'm going to make a regular cheesecake for my family this weekend, and try this one out for me. Thanks!

Me too!!! It looked great.

[hcground1]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

I'm not sure what kind of ranch dressing it was, I had the salad made at a deli near work.

P3 is so much harder than I expected and really frustrating.

Originally Posted by Ladybates

MORE PROTEIN!!!??? Are you serious?

I am going to have to disagree about the protein thing. I don't think it's quite as important as fat. I have been advised by someone on a different site who's made their life's calling helping folks on hcg, to keep the %'s for P3 as close to this as possible. 70% fat, 15% carb, and 15% protein. Whatever your calorie needs are, this should make it easier to stabilize. I was having a tough time in my 2nd P3 and these %s are what made all the difference. This is the first rule I plan to implement, starting tomorrow. After your CD, I would recommend trying this for at least a day and see what happens. Also, restaurant food is the devil. Just sayin... It's sad but true.

[julieboolie]

Lady-hoping your adjusted chicken CD helps anyway. I doubt you did too much damage w/ teh dip. There is a lot of cheese in that though I'm sure you'll be down. I agree w/ Leona and think the high fat of the dip will likely help.

Leona-what is your menu for tomorrow look like? I am going to plug my plan into ****** and see if my ratios are close to yours. I'm starting w. GY, and don't think the carbs on the label accurately reflect what's really in it, so that will skew my ratios.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by garnet10

Oh, thank you!!! I'm finally going through this thread. I am very interested and saw your recipe--sounds great! I'm going to make a regular cheesecake for my family this weekend, and try this one out for me. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Ladybates

Me too!!! It looked great.

You guys are both welcome. The only thing I have done differently on and off is the number of eggs and yolks. I have put as many as 5 large eggs in and as few as 3 with no yolks, and put in as few as 1 additional yolk and as many as 3 along with the 3 wholes. The last one I made was with the three whole and three yolks and it was accidental that all three yolks tipped into the bowl. I was like, oh well, how bad can it be? It was actually the best one yet. I DID make it in Florida though so not really sure if the altitude and/or atmospheric dryness or lack thereof had any effect...

[BaileysGirl]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

I've never eaten an avocado by iteself, is it really good? How do you eat it?

I always thought I never liked avocados/guacamole either until I tried the kind they make in front of you at mexican restaurants. I have been hooked ever since. I dislike the kind that looks like baby food!

I ate one today! I normally make chunky guacamole out of it using some of the pre packaged guac seasoning, a little red onion, bit of diced tomato, bit of sea salt & some lemon juice. Today I did a quickie mash up and left out the onion/tomatoes and it was just as good. Avocados!

Also I've never had any issues w/ chicken or ranch dressing w/ the minimal added sugars at restaurants. I have trouble with other stuff like donuts and margaritas!!

[bkm]

Originally Posted by hcground1

I am going to have to disagree about the protein thing. I don't think it's quite as important as fat. I have been advised by someone on a different site who's made their life's calling helping folks on hcg, to keep the %'s for P3 as close to this as possible. 70% fat, 15% carb, and 15% protein. Whatever your calorie needs are, this should make it easier to stabilize.

How do you calculate this - by % or by wt? That is, would:

• 15g protein
• 15g effective carb
• 70g fat

be correct? or should it be:

• 15g protein (15*4 = 60cal)
• 15g effective carb (15*4 = 60 cal)
• 30g fat (30*9 = 270 cal)

I've seen this ratio before, but I've never known how to interpret it. (BTW, the calculations are very rough).

Thanks ...

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by BaileysGirl

Also I've never had any issues w/ chicken or ranch dressing w/ the minimal added sugars at restaurants. I have trouble with other stuff like donuts and margaritas!!

Me too!!! LMBO

[bkm]

On day# 6 of P3 - weight was 129.75# this morning - seems to be stabilizing around 130 fairly well - I'm "pushing" my foods to reach an understanding of just what I can eat, for the rest of my life, to maintain at this weight - for example, I just had a nice handful of almonds, will see how that affects tomorrow's weight ...

[Ladybates]

Originally Posted by bkm

How do you calculate this - by % or by wt? That is, would:

• 15g protein
• 15g effective carb
• 70g fat

be correct? or should it be:

• 15g protein (15*4 = 60cal)
• 15g effective carb (15*4 = 60 cal)
• 30g fat (30*9 = 270 cal)

I've seen this ratio before, but I've never known how to interpret it. (BTW, the calculations are very rough).

Thanks ...

I've never understood how to interpret these things either. Too much of a though process for me. P2 was easier when they just told me what I can and can't eat.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by bkm

How do you calculate this - by % or by wt? That is, would:

• 15g protein
• 15g effective carb
• 70g fat

be correct? or should it be:

• 15g protein (15*4 = 60cal)
• 15g effective carb (15*4 = 60 cal)
• 30g fat (30*9 = 270 cal)

I've seen this ratio before, but I've never known how to interpret it. (BTW, the calculations are very rough).

Thanks ...

I am guessing that these numbers are in calorie percentages NOT grams. So for example if your target calories are 2000 your percentages would be the following:

2000 x 70% = 1400 calories in fat or ~155g
2000 x 15% = 300 calories in carbs or 75g
2000 x 15% = 300 calories in protein or 75g

I personally found that on previous rounds that I did better with ratios closer to 55% F, 25% P, 20% C, but that's just me. And this round, apparently all bets are off!

HTH

[julieboolie]

I use ****** and it does the % for me. I think it's based on the source of the calories. 15% of the day's calories from protein, 15% from carbs, and 70% from fat.

I loaded my "planned" menu for tomorrow and am coming in at 65% fat, 21% protein, 14% carbs. I've got about 1850cals on the menu. I'm supposed to be around 2200 according to the BMR/RMR calculator. I most likely won't get all those calories in, but that's the plan .

[icecreamjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ladybates

I've never understood how to interpret these things either. Too much of a though process for me. P2 was easier when they just told me what I can and can't eat.

This just gave me a headache THINKING i would have to do math....i prefer someone to just tell me what to eat!

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by icecreamjunkie

This just gave me a headache THINKING i would have to do math....i prefer someone to just tell me what to eat!

totally agree!!!

[icecreamjunkie]

ugh....i do not like to think! lol...i teach and have to do it all day...I do not want to do it at home! lol....I plugged into ****** and to my best calculations (I am not always 100% on the amt of coconut oil i eat...close though!)
I got the following numbers:

Fat(68%)
Carbs(6%)
Protein(26%)

I know that the protein and the veggies are out of wack...but I had my 2 cups of spinach at lunch...and dinner was fried eggs, steak and avocado. I am sitting right at 1550 in cals for the day...I might eat some strawberries later...idk...I'm so tired (long day) and just had a low spot on my drive home. I still would like to see my ex writing in pain and agony...for a very long time! (evil grin here!)

I am nervous about gaining again in the morning.....I really would like to just stabilize...one less thing to stress about! I can live on atkins EASILY for the rest of my life...but I think I am going to have NO MORE CARBS (refined) tattooed somewhere on my person as a reminder to NOT fall off the wagon again!

**Ok, i went back and checked the estimated caloric intake I thought I had read somewhere that we should shoot for about 1500 a day on hcg?? ugh....I would have to eat pure butter to get another 800 calories in!

[LaraSuzz]

Yeah way too much math lol
ugh i cant even figure out how to upload a photo

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by icecreamjunkie

.I'm so tired (long day) and just had a low spot on my drive home. I still would like to see my ex writing in pain and agony...for a very long time! (evil grin here!)

**Ok, i went back and checked the estimated caloric intake I thought I had read somewhere that we should shoot for about 1500 a day on hcg?? ugh....I would have to eat pure butter to get another 800 calories in!

I'm right there with ya sister, only my "ex" is my current right now!

Put a tablespoon of butter on your veggies and 4T of HWC (whipped or un) on your berries. That's about 500 more calories...