Hcg Rogues and Alternatives 2/20/12

[catjrow3]

Nice Job Julie!! That must feel good to be back in your jeans .. .wish I was.. Hopefully soon!! How tall are you? 5'6" right??

Zoe, at least you are still going down. Hope the bad feelings go away soon!!

Cheryl, hugs! Enjoy your day at the farm and definitely a doctor sounds in order for you!!

As for me, still hanging out... very slowly losing, but not bingeing, so thats all good!!

Still rooting for you all!! KUTGW

[minimonkey]

Whoohoo Julie!!! Your round is going great!!! Hurray about the jeans and the scale! That HAS to feel good!!

I do think the rx hcg is making a difference -- it is better than I was doing on the hhcg for the past few months -- but I am still dragging. It might be the stress as much as anything else, though.

I'm sleeping for sure -- a lot, actually -- I am making that something of a priority. The supplements, however, I have been lax about -- so I will get back on those today. At the very least I will do a good multi and some potassium and l-carnitine. I suspect that might help.

I really don't want to interrupt the round if it isn't absolutely necessary -- yes, I could get back on and stay committed, but I'd much rather just finish this thing.

The hunger is minimal this morning, but still feeling very dragged out and low energy -- that might just be the way it goes for the rest of the round, though I hope not.

I do think I will have barely enough of the hcg to get me through until Tuesday when the new drops come -- if not, I will do a dose or two of the hhcg and call it good. Then that gives me about 25 more dosing days if I want them -- and that should be more than enough to get me to goal, even if i decide to go all the way to 95 (plus wiggle room).

I really don't know on that one -- the last 6 or 8 lbs may make a dramatic enough difference that I don't need to go that low -- or maybe not.

I'm still seeing results, so I'm not complaining -- just hating the dragged out feeling. Who knows, though -- with all the stress, this might well be happening anyhow.

I need to remember my cortisol supplement -- I've gotten lax about that, and it was really helping. Off to do supplements!

[minimonkey]

Major, major congrats on not bingeing, Cathy!!!! That is an amazing victory!!

It's great that you are seeing some losses, too -- though that pales in comparison to getting the binges under control, which is by far the most important thing

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

It looks like folks do 2-5days of it, some longer, to break stalls or get the scale moving. Looks like a successful strategy for them. You're doing great!! how far for you until goal? I remember envying your losses last round (while my round was tanking, you were doing great!). Hope you do well this time around too!!

Looks like scary territory but sounds fun! I'll def. look into it I have the willpower of a saint, though... so I know that helps me. I don't cave easily, so we'll see!

Thanks Julie! This round is great. I hope to keep the momentum, but I def. expect some stalls per the usual. I just started this round (R4). Down about 10lbs and only 14 days left to go. I'm at 164lbs and my life goal is 150, but I don't mind if I'm a few lbs heavier than the 150. I have lots of muscle, so that has helped shape me right up. I'm a size 9/10 still but I can't complain. I was 308lbs 6 years ago so I'll take it! lol!

YOUUU look amazing as usual. I see you're still trucking. I hadn't been around since last round in November, but your avatar is mega HOT!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

It looks like folks do 2-5days of it, some longer, to break stalls or get the scale moving. Looks like a successful strategy for them. You're doing great!! how far for you until goal? I remember envying your losses last round (while my round was tanking, you were doing great!). Hope you do well this time around too!!


That's an awful feeling!! I was hoping the Rx would make a difference for you. So sorry!! Maybe you should take a little fat laden interruption? That may replenish your energy stores, reset your mind, and you'll be ready to more of an extended round? You're strong enough to go back to the VLC after that. I don't think I'd be able to get my head back into it. Hope you feel better. You are taking your supplements, right? And sleeping?


I hope JUDDD works well for you. You're right, finding a way to maintain for LIFE is really key. We all know we can find a way to lose the weight, it's the keeping it off so we arent' always RE-losing it that's important! Share what you learn with us!!


Oh Hiker!! I'm so sorry!! I remember my dad passing like it just happened. I'm so glad you were able to reconcile with him and will have those happy memories to console you. I'll be praying for you and your family.

Cheryl-we'll keep plugging away and being careful with our $ and hopefully eventually we'll get ahead. It's always a good reminder to me "not to lay up my treasures here on earth". I don't have too many choices ! Hope your doggie is better. Not sure what to tell you on that pain. You're the nurse What do you think? Do you see your Dr anytime soon? Could you call him for some input? Hope you're feeling better, and doggie too!

Melanie-glad you've got a delay, and way to use that time wisely!! you're inspiring!!

Shirley-we've talked about going down to 1 car, since I homeschool. Dh doesn't like the idea. His work is about 40 min from home, so if I do need the car it'd be quite an ordeal. My mom, who's in the hospital, offered to let us borrow her car if we need it for a while. That might just work out!!

Sas-I love your posts! you always make me smile!! I think you're doing great!! And living life along the way!

Paula-good job!! Hope you seem some new (lower) numbers soon!!

I'm down 0.6 today. I'm amazed that I am still going. I am expecting a stall anytime! 153.8 today . Lowest I've been in a while. If I can keep losing (which at the bitter end is a BIG IF), I may just see 150!! That would be amazing!!

And I'm wearing my size 6 jeans today!! They're tight (right out of the dryer) but look ok!!

Happy morning!! Hope the weekend isn't my downfall!! It's always so hard eating out!! I may just drink some tea or soda if we go out. I have a baby shower and that will be a challenge. Hope I can eat first and just drink water while there!!

I couldn't have said it ANY better! :-) Praying for those of you who are hurting today that grace and peace will overwhelm you!

and Julie.... we CAN make it through the weekend victorious!! I'm still in the grove and was thrilled with a 1.2 loss this morning. It leaves me only .2 left before hitting my lowest hcg weight before I fell apart and binged for 2 days. I'm still LOVIN' my green smoothies but I'm not dividing one smoothie between breakfast and lunch then having a meat protein, veggie and fruit with grassini/melba for dinner... hopefully the scale will continue to be gracious!

Blessings,
Shirley - Round 3 VLCD 51 - 25.4 pounds Total hcg loss: 87.8

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by hikergurl

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

So sorry he's gone.

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by Millenia98

Looks like scary territory but sounds fun! I'll def. look into it I have the willpower of a saint, though... so I know that helps me. I don't cave easily, so we'll see!

Do you think you could share some of the willpower?? I seem to be severely lacking in it..!! LOL

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by hikergurl

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

Hikergurl, so sorry for your loss! My condolences. Its a hard time to be sure, and even harder time to be dieting. I lost my dad about 7 years ago and still have a hard time sometimes when I think of him, and it was a relief when he went, as he was sick a long time... Big hugs..

[lunagirl704]

Hiker- I am so sorry for your loss.

[minimonkey]

I am feeling quite a bit better with more protein and a little fat -- I am going to try to keep it to 800 calories or less for a few days, and see if I still lose -- if I do, then I will keep that going for the remainder of the round.

If not, I will try to drop it back down -- but I think this is better than doing an interruption. I hope so, anyhow.

Moved a lot of boxes this morning (some rearranging in my studio) and am off to work in the sculpture pit tonight -- so it will be a fairly active day all around.

[DisneyPrincess]

Good evening. Longest day ever! Just got done with a 3 mile run. Haveto get dinner for son and bath time. Then it's bed time for us both

[hikergurl]

Thank you all for your words of encouragement, thoughts and prayers.

Ok guys, I need some advice. Just got word that my stepmom is thinking of having my dad's memorial service on Monday, which means we would need to travel to CO on Sunday. Sunday will be day 23 for me and that's when I was planning to stop my shots. However, I think it could be very challenging to be traveling by car, staying in a hotel, and attending the memorial service, all while trying to do VLCD's. But if you have suggestions of how I can make that happen, I'm totally willing to try it.

The other alternative is to make tomorrow my last injection day, and then at least by Monday I can be in P3 and have a little more flexibility with my food.

I'm just so scared to screw this round up. I'm afraid if I don't do the minimum 23 days of shots, it's going to be all for naught. I REALLY REALLY want this to be my last round. It's been incredibly slow going and I haven't dropped much weight. I'm worried if I enter P3 too early, I won't be able to stabilize.

To throw another monkey wrench into everything, I had planned this round perfectly to coincide with a vacation we are taking to San Francisco at the end of March. My timing was that I would have just ended P3 and going into P4 for that trip. Therefore, I think I need to rule out any kind of planned interruption for this memorial service trip next week.

Can you guys give me some words of wisdom here? Thanks.

[julieboolie]

Jackie-Good for you!! Glad you're running again!! It's nice just feeding ds I bet. It's so hard to P2 and feed my whole fam!!

Mini-glad you're feeling a bit better. Hope you can replenish while losing!

Just tried a local place, Bahama Bucks!! They has snow cones, really finely shaved ice, and SF flavors, Stevia sweetened I just had a pina colada one, delicious!! Hiker, you're local, have you been there?

I'm also facing a housing dilema. Our 2nd mortgage, who we've been trying to settle with for a few years, has offered us a settlement. It's more $ than we want to pay, but it's a fair offer. the only problem is, even if we settle w. them we will still be VERY upside down on our first mortgage . We don't want to move, we love our house and neighborhood. But, I just wrote it all out, and it would make a LOT more sense to short sale/foreclose this house and move. In 3-5 years we'd be able to buy something else. Our new house would be something we could eventually own!! Here, it'd be 11 years until we owed what it was worth. We'd never have equity. I don't want to face reality. I prefer my happy limbo .

Well, more to pray about I guess. I know God is good and in control and look forward to what He's got planned. rayer:

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Good Morning! I'm all over the place and needed to come here and chat with all you wonderful people. First off, when I was younger, I developed this bad habit of plucking my eyebrows which turned into realizing that I could also pull the hair out with my fingers. Fast forward to recently, for the last few years - I've been pulling hair out of my legs (with my fingers) when I'm going to the bathroom and also from my upper crotch area (this is very embarrassing for me to admit, but I need to say it out loud). While doing this, I'm in the bathroom for sometimes up to an hour and have caused myself chronic neck pain. I don't know why I do it (maybe to have control over something?) I've also been clean and sober for over 14 years as well so if I can be clean and sober I can get rid of this habit which I found out is called trichotillomania. Anyway, with the neck pain, my massage therapist discovered a small lump on the back of my neck (which my husband says has to be from looking down for long periods of time). She said we all have lymphnodes (sp?) and when someone loses a lot of weight, it's not uncommon. She told me not to worry unless it gets bigger, but I am - so I made a doctor's appointment for March 6th. I don't mean to discuss something that's TMI, but I need to stop doing this.

I hope it's not cancer and am sure it's caused from my bad habit. Additionally, I'm now weighing once a week and want to do another round, I'm eating well and exercising, but didn't end my last round properly because I used the two days I should've been doing the 500 calorie plan without the hcg to do more interruption days. I did a chicken thigh day last week and was down two pounds the next day. I really want to get to 140 and settled for higher goal because I had been on hcg for so long.

Additionally, I have a bad habit of looking up negative things online like "can hcg cause cancer?" and found a few instances. That doesn't mean it was the hcg....

Thanks for reading everyone and I'm sure the lump is nothing. While I'm there, I'm also getting a complete physical with a full blood panel. I dumped the last of my hcg and my husband says I don't need it. I know how to lose weight without it, but am ready for another round.

My job is going great and I'll be back soon. Have a great day everyone!

Violet, it takes a lot of truth to "come out" like that. You understand all about unmasking secrets, or you wouldn't have been clean and sober all these years. But I think any addict retains some form of addiction. I know that I do. Some things seem more harmless and yet still fill the need. I guess the hair plucking does that for you. I'm sorry it is causing you neck trouble. I hope that's all it is! I'm glad you are getting it looked at, and taking a closer look at what "lies beneath." It's tough to take down the walls. Sometimes I wonder if it's even 100% possible for those of us with issues.

Originally Posted by hikergurl

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

Really tempted to throw out the diet and bury my sorrow in food, but I will not do it. Only 4 more days of shots. I can make it. Down 1.4 from fat fast day yesterday. Hope it sticks.

I'm so sorry, Hikergurl. That was fast! It is a blessing in disguise. No matter how prepared we think we are for someone's death, we just can't prepare for something we've never been through before. I hope your father is at peace in the loving arms of the Lord, and may you find comfort in knowing bridges were mended between you.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by hikergurl

I'm just so scared to screw this round up. I'm afraid if I don't do the minimum 23 days of shots, it's going to be all for naught.

I think as long as you take P3 seriously, and always do CDs when you need to, then cutting it short one day would probably be fine. But if your weight isn't quite where you want it...you might want the extra P2 day. Whether P2 or P3, you might consider packing all your food for your traveling day...that helps me out so much, keeps the stress down too.

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Well, more to pray about I guess. I know God is good and in control and look forward to what He's got planned. rayer:

Good luck with that tough decision. I think our area is lucky...home prices began "topping" off about 8 years ago when the telecom industry started to tank here. So though there are plenty of foreclosures due to the economy, people are generally not underwater like some other regions. OTOH, my sister's lost money on every home she's owned here in Texas (Mansfield & Houston), so I think timing and luck are half of it.

Hope everyone has a good evening...I like to watch my TV on Thursday nights.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cheryl -- I would definitely get that abdominal thing checked out -- that does NOT sound good -- it sounds a little like it could be a hernia, actually -- though there's a lot of organs in that area, too -- and whatever it is, I'd high-tail it to a doctor sooner rather than later!

Yeah, if it's not a hernia, it's something with my spleen. I've been googling and not coming up with much. I feel it popping out when I bend way over (like when I'm brushing the lower parts of the horse's legs and hooves) but it could also have been brought about from hauling semi-full buckets of water over semi-long distances. I'll keep an eye on things. Just what I freakin need. Ya know?

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Cheryl-we'll keep plugging away and being careful with our $ and hopefully eventually we'll get ahead. It's always a good reminder to me "not to lay up my treasures here on earth". I don't have too many choices ! Hope your doggie is better. Not sure what to tell you on that pain. You're the nurse What do you think? Do you see your Dr anytime soon? Could you call him for some input? Hope you're feeling better, and doggie too!

I'm down 0.6 today. I'm amazed that I am still going. I am expecting a stall anytime! 153.8 today . Lowest I've been in a while. If I can keep losing (which at the bitter end is a BIG IF), I may just see 150!! That would be amazing!!

And I'm wearing my size 6 jeans today!! They're tight (right out of the dryer) but look ok!!

Happy morning!! Hope the weekend isn't my downfall!! It's always so hard eating out!! I may just drink some tea or soda if we go out. I have a baby shower and that will be a challenge. Hope I can eat first and just drink water while there!!

Julie, thanks for your thoughtful posts (and Paula, whom I did not multiquote but who put out a very nice personal response like you did here.) Doggy's doing fine. So far, so good. I need to do wound care tonight and redress the wound. If she wasn't so dang HAPPY, the dressing would stay in place!

Yeah, "laying up treasures on earth" has never even been an option for me! My parents will leave us a small box of trinkets and some bills. (Not a stretch. My dad actually had one box of items that we daughters got to pick through after he died. His wife kept whatever little they had, plus a diamond ring that he had bought for another woman that didn't pan out. I think the step mom pulled a switcheroo and kept the diamond for herself.) Mom will leave us a bit more than Dad did, but not by much. Seems our lives boil down to very little in the end. We really are "Dust in the Wind."

Nice loss, cool size 6 (right out of the dryer, even!) and best of luck at the shower!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by Millenia98

Looks like scary territory but sounds fun! I'll def. look into it I have the willpower of a saint, though... so I know that helps me. I don't cave easily, so we'll see!

Thanks Julie! This round is great. I hope to keep the momentum, but I def. expect some stalls per the usual. I just started this round (R4). Down about 10lbs and only 14 days left to go. I'm at 164lbs and my life goal is 150, but I don't mind if I'm a few lbs heavier than the 150. I have lots of muscle, so that has helped shape me right up. I'm a size 9/10 still but I can't complain. I was 308lbs 6 years ago so I'll take it! lol!

YOUUU look amazing as usual. I see you're still trucking. I hadn't been around since last round in November, but your avatar is mega HOT!

WOW!!

Originally Posted by shirleychef

I couldn't have said it ANY better! :-) Praying for those of you who are hurting today that grace and peace will overwhelm you!

and Julie.... we CAN make it through the weekend victorious!! I'm still in the grove and was thrilled with a 1.2 loss this morning. It leaves me only .2 left before hitting my lowest hcg weight before I fell apart and binged for 2 days. I'm still LOVIN' my green smoothies but I'm not dividing one smoothie between breakfast and lunch then having a meat protein, veggie and fruit with grassini/melba for dinner... hopefully the scale will continue to be gracious!

Blessings,
Shirley - Round 3 VLCD 51 - 25.4 pounds Total hcg loss: 87.8

I could handle that!! You're doing great, Shirley.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I am feeling quite a bit better with more protein and a little fat -- I am going to try to keep it to 800 calories or less for a few days, and see if I still lose -- if I do, then I will keep that going for the remainder of the round.

If not, I will try to drop it back down -- but I think this is better than doing an interruption. I hope so, anyhow.

Moved a lot of boxes this morning (some rearranging in my studio) and am off to work in the sculpture pit tonight -- so it will be a fairly active day all around.

Glad you're feeling better, Mini. Have fun "in the pit"!

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Good evening. Longest day ever! Just got done with a 3 mile run. Haveto get dinner for son and bath time. Then it's bed time for us both

Yippee!

Originally Posted by hikergurl

Thank you all for your words of encouragement, thoughts and prayers.

Ok guys, I need some advice. Just got word that my stepmom is thinking of having my dad's memorial service on Monday, which means we would need to travel to CO on Sunday. Sunday will be day 23 for me and that's when I was planning to stop my shots. However, I think it could be very challenging to be traveling by car, staying in a hotel, and attending the memorial service, all while trying to do VLCD's. But if you have suggestions of how I can make that happen, I'm totally willing to try it.

The other alternative is to make tomorrow my last injection day, and then at least by Monday I can be in P3 and have a little more flexibility with my food.

I'm just so scared to screw this round up. I'm afraid if I don't do the minimum 23 days of shots, it's going to be all for naught. I REALLY REALLY want this to be my last round. It's been incredibly slow going and I haven't dropped much weight. I'm worried if I enter P3 too early, I won't be able to stabilize.

To throw another monkey wrench into everything, I had planned this round perfectly to coincide with a vacation we are taking to San Francisco at the end of March. My timing was that I would have just ended P3 and going into P4 for that trip. Therefore, I think I need to rule out any kind of planned interruption for this memorial service trip next week.

Can you guys give me some words of wisdom here? Thanks.

In cases of situations like yours, I have little advice that is of any value. Only you can decide how to navigate through this one. Just weigh the pros and cons, then be kind to yourself.

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I'm also facing a housing dilema. Our 2nd mortgage, who we've been trying to settle with for a few years, has offered us a settlement. It's more $ than we want to pay, but it's a fair offer. the only problem is, even if we settle w. them we will still be VERY upside down on our first mortgage . We don't want to move, we love our house and neighborhood. But, I just wrote it all out, and it would make a LOT more sense to short sale/foreclose this house and move. In 3-5 years we'd be able to buy something else. Our new house would be something we could eventually own!! Here, it'd be 11 years until we owed what it was worth. We'd never have equity. I don't want to face reality. I prefer my happy limbo .

Well, more to pray about I guess. I know God is good and in control and look forward to what He's got planned. rayer:

Oh, man. Julie, I know you will follow the leading of your Lord and He will get you through this. I need to do the same. It's so much easier to tell others what to do! Isn't it terrible? I wish I could take my own advice.

Originally Posted by paulabob

Hope everyone has a good evening...I like to watch my TV on Thursday nights.

Happy evening to you and your family tonight, Paula.

Dazy, I think you are doing the right thing. We all need to stop the "dieting mentality" and learn to live with the fact that we need to find a way to lose and maintain without relying on some special drug or concoction or formula.

I'm thinking of doing something completely radical. Something I've never done before. Eating 1200 calories per day and exercising every day. Now THAT'S radical. Maybe I need to learn to live in the real world.

[shirleychef]

hikergurl.. I tend to agree with Paula... if you are really good in phase 3 and correct as needed I do think you will be fine. Other things to factor in is:
1. Are you at a healthy weight for you?? If so then could you be content here or lose a little bit more in some other way.
2. Would 5 pounds up still be a healthy weight for you?? What IF you don't stabilize right where you are.. would you be ok with 5 pounds above?
3. Will you be able to eat phase 3 easily during traveling, funeral, family time etc. or would it be easier to just have to be STRICT vlcd so you have no excuses to eat foods that could cause your weight to skyrocket?

You have had 21 injections just not 21 effective doses right?? I think you need to make a decision that you can handle with the stress of all the emotions, travel, etc that you'll be going through. AND I think if you chose to stop and have the attitude of, "I'm going to stabilize like a rock"... you will! I find so much of this protocol's success depends upon my attitude because what I think I will do... just like the Bible says, "As a man thinks in his heart so is he......"

Blessings
Shirley - Round 3 VLCD 51 - 25.4 pounds Total hcg loss: 87.8

[shirleychef]

So, for those of you who do your entire protocol rogue...do you have hunger DAILY?

For those of you who are stricties but cheat... did you experience a LOT of hunger after cheating?

I am asking because I have been hungry DAILY for weeks with the exception of the days I cheated by eating TONS of fat... and thus gained.

I was hungry before my PI at about day 30.. when I hit 150 pounds... it was one of the reasons I chose to do a PI b/c I not only was wanting a break from the VLCD foods and a chance to eat more fat and protein BUT I was hungry ALL DAY. I hadn't been hungry constantly until that time, I had some hunger at meals, but not all the time.

I'm only 5'6" but am larged framed and I can pinch and inch or 2 or 3 in several places still so I know there is still abnormal fat.

Today's weight was 147.2. I've been hungry all day with the exception of about 1 hour after eating. I've been drinking a minimum of 3 quarts of water and for the past 4 days have also drank about 2-3 quarts of hot tea just to keep from cheating b/c I'm so hungry. I'm so hungry... it is hard to fall asleep at night.

Now.. if I didn't have obvious abnormal fat deposits I'd say the Rx hcg dosing at 125 IU 2 times a day, was telling me I need to quit... yet... even though I see fat... could the hcg be telling me it is time to quit??

I've never gone rogue, done FF's, or cheated until this round. BUT my hunger started b/f I started to do these things. I was not hungry on my PI OBVIOUSLY b/c I ate plenty of fat & protein.

I'm wondering if the hunger is from being rogue (having 2 tbsp of cream in my coffee daily), OR if it is because I need to be done. TOM will hit next week and there is no way I can resist cravings along with this hunger. So if things do not improve by Monday... or SOONER... I'm going to have to to last dose and transition to phase 3 while I still have the strength to stick to VLCD during the transition days. If I just need to tough it out a few days and it will improve... kinda like the first week of VLCD after loading... then I will try b/c I'd love to see my scale read something between 140-145 before I quit phase 2... but if my body is telling me the hcg is done and I push further.. I'll just gain it back according to Dr. Simeons.

I'd value your input since I know many of you do rogue rounds either by increasing calories or including a little fat here or there. So are you hungry a LOT?? If any have cheated... were you hungry for DAYS... weeks after doing so??

Thanks so much for listening to my vent and offering ANY in-site that you may have to share.

Can you tell... I'm hungry... right now... and really discouraged?? AND I've been hungry ALL day.. But keep telling myself that it is my OWN fault b/c I had cream in my coffee this morning.

Blessings
Shirley - Round 3 VLCD 51 - 25.4 pounds Total hcg loss: 87.8

[RileyWorm]

Shirley,
I didn't really have gnawing hunger following a stricter protocol, like you said; during rogue eating I felt great, but when I tried to return to a strict protocol again I was HUNGRY all the time. I wanted to return to a stricter protocol because I felt that my rogue eating was getting alittle out of control. I finally had to take a break from hcg because I was wanting to scarf down all kinds of stuff, which was a combination of hunger and cravings I think. If I recall you are nearing the end of a really long round? Maybe a break would do you some good. I know it did me. Good luck figuring it out, I am still up in the air daily about what I'm doing.

[CherylB]

Somethings wrong with your hcg, Shirley. Or maybe you've become immune, as some say can happen. By all means, stop dosing and transition into P3. Do at least your 3 weeks of P3 then cycle back into P2 if you want to see if you can lose more. I don't think anyone should be struggling with that kind of hunger during a round. I wouldn't last more than a couple of days. It's clearly a sign that something is amiss.

Go eat something!

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by CherylB

I'm thinking of doing something completely radical. Something I've never done before. Eating 1200 calories per day and exercising every day. Now THAT'S radical. Maybe I need to learn to live in the real world.

Cheryl, welcome to my dark side. I had to do the same thing, get out of this roller coaster and just try to eat normally to stop the ED!! I am finishing day 11, with no Binges!! Come on over!! The water is warm! LOL

BTW, how was the barn today??

[julieboolie]

Hiker-not sure what to tell you. I know how hard it would be to do low cal while your travelling and going to the memorial service. If I recall you were kinda' stalled too, right? Stalling seems to make stabilizing at that weight easier. I'd probably end on day 21 and start P3, CAREFULLY, on the trip. There are always CD's for when you come home if you need one. I wouldn't worry about P2 while dealing with all of that.

Cheryl-yes, it's not likely I could lay up treasures here if I wanted to! We're usually breaking in each month, which I'm thankful for. Time will help.

Shirley- That stinks!! I hate that gnawing hunger. Had it my first strict round, not at all in my 2 rogue rounds, and initially in this round. It's been gone now which keeps me going. I would not blame you one bit for moving on to P3. It's been a long round for you, with great success. I think your body may need a break. Hope you can figure it out

My realtor BFF suggested we look at buying another house now. Renting this one out and buying something new? I hadn't considred that. We could cover the first mortgage w. the rent payment, and the 2nd is only in my name. Dh would be the one buying anything anyway. I will have to look into that.

Need to go take my nighttime dose, drink some water, and watch a bit of TV. I should go see how my mom is doing as they transferred her to the nursing home tonight. I am just beat. Emotionally, physically, tired. A good night's sleep will do me good!!

Good night ladies. Sleep well and may the whoosh fairy visit us all!

[Violet_Dream]

Thanks mini and Cheryl. I'm taking anti-seizure meds now (had a grand mal sezure in June, 2009), but my neurologist said I'm not an epileptic and he doesn't know why I had the seizure. He said it can happen to anyone. That's real comforting. mini, I will talk to my doc when I see her.

My last day of hhcg was February 12th and am thinking of starting another round (after my physical on March 6th).

I'll have to purchase some Intermountain hhcg pellets off Netriton which I may do this weekend. One thing I can say for sure is when I follow the protcol, it works! Amazinng. I think not ending my round properly has caused me some weight gain. This week, I've been sticking with Atkins, walked three days on my treadmill for about thirty minutes each time and I feel like I've gained some weight.

Have a nice evening all.

[hikergurl]

Ok, received some relieving news - my dad's memorial service is going to be on Saturday, March 3 instead of this coming Monday. That means I can finish my 23 days of injections on Sunday and move into P3 correctly. I will be on Day 2 of P3 when we start our road trip. This should give me a little more flexibility as far as food choices. Any suggestions about what P3 foods to eat while traveling, both packed in a cooler for the car and/or fast food choices?

Thanks again for your help. I'm off to bed. It's been an exhausting day.

[minimonkey]

Hi all -- I'm exhausted too! Long day over here, but a good one for the most part.

Hiker, I am glad that you have one less stress on you and that you can finish your round as planned.

Shirley -- I have had rounds where I was gnawingly hungry pretty much the whole time --- I got hungry at the end of my first round (which was long, and protocol) -- and I've had rogue rounds where I was hungry beginning to end.

I am definitely faring better with the rx drops, but do still get hungry at times -- and I decidedly have low energy some days.

I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with your hcg -- but I do think perhaps your body is depleted and needs a break.

I hope you find a solution soon.

[txladymedic]

hikergurl, I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my dad a few years ago, so I know how difficult it is. It does get easier, but it does take some time. Hugs, thoughts and prayers to you and your family in this difficult time.

[txladymedic]

My salt intake is KILLING me. My stomach has not been agreeing with me, the days that I have just ate yogurt and fruit I have felt fine. But a couple times I have either made onion soup out of beef broth or chicken broth and while it went down smoothly it caused my weight to gain. Both times I gained a pound or more. Ever since the migraine I've not been doing well. And today I got my braces adjusted so my teeth are killing me which will slow down my protein intake which is probably what I'm lacking the most.
Hopefully in the beginning of the week I'll get back on track.

Sarah

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

I'm wondering if the hunger is from being rogue (having 2 tbsp of cream in my coffee daily), OR if it is because I need to be done. TOM will hit next week and there is no way I can resist cravings along with this hunger. So if things do not improve by Monday... or SOONER... I'm going to have to to last dose and transition to phase 3 while I still have the strength to stick to VLCD during the transition days.

Hmm...I've had hunger every round. Going rogue actually made it better...I did not thrive with fruit and low protein....higher protein no fruit reduced my hunger. Also had worst hunger my RX round...but that might have been Candida detox...had it really bad my first round (rumbly tummy +skin infection).

I do not know the answer to your question...I just did the things that helped my hunger, warm tea, waiting on lunch till 12:30, supper 5:30, going to bed early. I never have had a hunger free round, but some days worse than others.

[Violet_Dream]

Good Morning! hiker, so sorry about your loss. My father died on 9/12/03 and I still cry almost daily for him.

I ordered some more Intermountain pellets off Netrition last night and was almost tempted to get two bottles, but got one. They last me a lot longer than forty days and I do the 3/3 times per day. My husband was concerned because this last round was over seventy days and I justified staying on it that long because I had several interruption days - which got out of hand. My last dose of hcg was 2/12/12 and this time I'm giving my body more of a break. I haven't weighed since last Saturday and I feel like I'm up. The one really bad habit I've been doing is using way too much cream in my coffee. I discovered that I don't use as much of the powdered kind and since it's non-dairy - I've been justifying that too. I'm thinking of going to black for a while (I really didn't mind it) or monitor my intake of the cream. I added a tab to my P2 and P3/4 Excel tracker for maintenance and have been tracking what I eat. I've been doing Atkins, but need to nix or cut down on the cream.

My husband has been with his company over eleven years and got a $2 per hour raise last week. He hadn't had a raise in a few years and the last time he did it was also $2. I was told I'd be getting one too (wasn't expecting it and am so grateful to have a job when so many are out of work).

This next round won't be as long as I don't have that much to lose and this time I am getting a Costco cheesecake for my loading days.

I love my job. Hugs all around and have a great day everyone!