Hcg Rogues and Alternatives 2/20/12

[minimonkey]

In diet news, though -- I have decided I am going to drop one of the fruits, and eat a bit more protein for a few days -- so I will be coming in around 600 to 700 calories daily I think. If that stalls me I will reconsider, but I don't like feeling weak -- and I really noticed that today going up and down stairs a few times.

In rounds past, I've actually lost better with a slightly higher calorie range -- so we will see if that pans out this time, too. I don't think I'd do this if I wasn't planning to extend the round, but I am -- and I do have to keep tabs on long-term ability to function well -- this time is critical for me, academically.

[julieboolie]

Sharing my current vent - dh's car. He had a "noise" so took it to a highly recommended mechanic. Looks like it will be about $4000 to get everything fixed they found: radiator, clutch, rack-n-pinion assembly, air conditioner compression and bracket... Completely ridiculous!! His car is most likely not worth that much!! I'm taking it to my brother's mechanic on Friday and praying for a better offer!

Always something!! We're trying so hard to pay off our debt, but we can't seem to get ahead. I'm sure once it settles in it won't seem so bad. There are certainly worse things people go through. Just mad and frustrated!!

[minimonkey]

Oh Julie --that's terrible! I am so sorry!

That kind of thing almost makes me glad I don't have a car (except that it got impounded, and that isn't exactly the way I would choose to get rid of it )

I went ahead and added additional protein today (more eggwhites) -- we'll see how that goes. I hope it raises my energy levels a little -- and I hope it doesn't stop my losses, too -- but I am definitely not loving the weak, dragged out feeling -- and I am willing to take slower losses in exchange for feeling better, so long as I continue to lose steadily.

I'd rather do a higher calorie leg of the round than interrupt, I think, at this point. Maybe in a couple of days I can drop the calories back down.

All in all, I'll be coming out at about 800 or fewer calories for the day -- and low carbs. Hope that treats me well.

[Sasseaux]

Cheryl, glad to see you back. Stay, girl, We'll all help each other through this shi...stuff!!

Fence man came today and put up 3 posts and nailed the boards. What a doofus. Even I know you're supposed to set the all the posts in concrete then wait a day (ideally more but he's out of time) and put the boards on. At least he came (under threat of lawsuit).

It was skip a does day. I'm really tired. I'm at 558 calories so I think I will go to bed early. I faxed my doc my calorie count history sheet and he said, "Well you can't expect to do any better than that with ALL that cheating." Hee hee . I thought I showing how well I'm doing.

It looks like this:

Date AM Weight Calories at end of day
2/7.....168..............895 (sorta still loading)
2/8.....166.4...........584
2/9.....164.4...........506
2/10...163.4...........503
2/11...162.4...........944 (last minute change of plans)
2/12...162.4...........737
2/13...161.0...........660
2/14...161.8.........1118 (Err Valentine's Day)
2/15...161.0...........627
2/16...162.0...........334
2/17...160.0...........663
2/18...160.0...........571
2/19...159.2...........912 (exercised)
2/20...160.2.........1257 (birthday)
2/21...160.4...........632(exercised)
2/22...158.6...........558

All those days that were in the 600's? Please. I don't call that cheating. I call that success in my book. Yeah it would nice to have a perfect round, but I'll take it the way it comes. I've lost 6 net pounds in 2 weeks whereas I was losing like 1 pound a week on Hhcg. I'll take it!!

Plus on this diet, I know its not coming right back. On Atkins I would do so good and then boom it would just all come back for no apparent reason. I lost the same 6 pounds over and over this time last year on Atkins.

[minimonkey]

You are doing fabulously well, Sass! May it keep going for you!!

I decided to skip tonight's dose and tomorrow morning as well, per your suggestion. That'll also extend the amount I have by one more day in case mine doesn't get here.

[shirleychef]

Awesome Stats Sasseaux!!

Julie.. so sorry about the car! We had our second vehicle die just before Christmas. So I'm stranded home every day while hubby takes our gas guzzling 12 passenger VAN to work. BUT he only has to go to work daily at the office through June, then he'll be working from home so we've decided to just make do and not get another vehicle right now. BUT some days I go madd... just always being here!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Sharing my current vent - dh's car. He had a "noise" so took it to a highly recommended mechanic. Looks like it will be about $4000 to get everything fixed they found: radiator, clutch, rack-n-pinion assembly, air conditioner compression and bracket... Completely ridiculous!! His car is most likely not worth that much!! I'm taking it to my brother's mechanic on Friday and praying for a better offer!

Always something!! We're trying so hard to pay off our debt, but we can't seem to get ahead. I'm sure once it settles in it won't seem so bad. There are certainly worse things people go through. Just mad and frustrated!!

SECOND OPINION!!!! I had a guy tell me that I needed a new steering motor once last year and all it was mainly was the passenger side front tire was leaking air and it made it terribly hard to turn in tight areas, like parking lots at shopping malls. AIR! Don't do anything rash. Put your checkbook back in your purse and drive away with that "noise" the car is making. Flee to that other mechanic and see what he has to say. FLEE!

Oh, honey They're playing our song! Sorry, but we're in sync on this one.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Oh Julie --that's terrible! I am so sorry!

That kind of thing almost makes me glad I don't have a car (except that it got impounded, and that isn't exactly the way I would choose to get rid of it )

I went ahead and added additional protein today (more eggwhites) -- we'll see how that goes. I hope it raises my energy levels a little -- and I hope it doesn't stop my losses, too -- but I am definitely not loving the weak, dragged out feeling -- and I am willing to take slower losses in exchange for feeling better, so long as I continue to lose steadily.

I'd rather do a higher calorie leg of the round than interrupt, I think, at this point. Maybe in a couple of days I can drop the calories back down.

All in all, I'll be coming out at about 800 or fewer calories for the day -- and low carbs. Hope that treats me well.

Sorry to hear you're feeling tired + drained. How could you not be, with all the stress you are under!? I hope you feel energized tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Sasseaux

Cheryl, glad to see you back. Stay, girl, We'll all help each other through this shi...stuff!!

Fence man came today and put up 3 posts and nailed the boards. What a doofus. Even I know you're supposed to set the all the posts in concrete then wait a day (ideally more but he's out of time) and put the boards on. At least he came (under threat of lawsuit).

It was skip a does day. I'm really tired. I'm at 558 calories so I think I will go to bed early. I faxed my doc my calorie count history sheet and he said, "Well you can't expect to do any better than that with ALL that cheating." Hee hee . I thought I showing how well I'm doing.

It looks like this:

Date AM Weight Calories at end of day
2/7.....168..............895 (sorta still loading)
2/8.....166.4...........584
2/9.....164.4...........506
2/10...163.4...........503
2/11...162.4...........944 (last minute change of plans)
2/12...162.4...........737
2/13...161.0...........660
2/14...161.8.........1118 (Err Valentine's Day)
2/15...161.0...........627
2/16...162.0...........334
2/17...160.0...........663
2/18...160.0...........571
2/19...159.2...........912 (exercised)
2/20...160.2.........1257 (birthday)
2/21...160.4...........632(exercised)
2/22...158.6...........558

All those days that were in the 600's? Please. I don't call that cheating. I call that success in my book. Yeah it would nice to have a perfect round, but I'll take it the way it comes. I've lost 6 net pounds in 2 weeks whereas I was losing like 1 pound a week on Hhcg. I'll take it!!

Plus on this diet, I know its not coming right back. On Atkins I would do so good and then boom it would just all come back for no apparent reason. I lost the same 6 pounds over and over this time last year on Atkins.

Oh, man. So the dude came back? Now he's hoping you'll pay to make him disappear again! That Dr sounds like a real peach, too. You're doing great! on him.

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Awesome Stats Sasseaux!!

Julie.. so sorry about the car! We had our second vehicle die just before Christmas. So I'm stranded home every day while hubby takes our gas guzzling 12 passenger VAN to work. BUT he only has to go to work daily at the office through June, then he'll be working from home so we've decided to just make do and not get another vehicle right now. BUT some days I go madd... just always being here!

Too bad you can't drive him to work + keep the gas-guzzler on some days. Does he have a long commute? It's only when you have no wheels that you feel itchy to go some place!

Well, I'm feeling better but still not back on plan. I'm starting to experience a weird pain + swelling in my spleen area. It made me think of that "floating rib" sensation you were talking about last week. when i am bending over, sometimes it's like something inside me under my left lower rib just pops out and laps over my hip bone. When I press around the area when standing up, I feel a sharp pain.

Between the dog and me, it's a race to "the light"! But seriously. Should I be concerned?

[Millenia98]

I love this thread. You guys are so positive and successful!

So if you're on P2 and stall/decide to do a fat fast....do you lose weight during the 4-5 days you have all of this fat? Does it take that long (4-5 days) to break the stall?

[shirleychef]

Cheryl... his commute is about 30 miles which makes it WAYY to expensive for me to drive him to work. I have a friend who's hubby is in the military and is currently in Afghanistan she will loan me his vehicle when I'm in need which is a blessing. BUT I don't want to keep her car the entire time hubby is gone so I use it for a week or a few days here and there to get all my errands done and I'm thankful for her generosity!

Originally Posted by Millenia98

I love this thread. You guys are so positive and successful!

So if you're on P2 and stall/decide to do a fat fast....do you lose weight during the 4-5 days you have all of this fat? Does it take that long (4-5 days) to break the stall?

Yes, I lost well on the FF I did. BUT then I couldn't get my head back into doing the VLCD and ended up gorging on fat for 2 days which caused me to gain back 3 of the 6 pounds I lost on the FF. I've been back on VLCD for 3 days still slightly modified and STILL have 1.4 to get back down to my lowest weight from the FF. I LOVED how I felt on the FF and might just do another one if my losses keep staying so SLOW... but for now I really want to give the VLCD (with 2 tbsp cream for coffee.... but might even cut that out and go VLCD stricty), a fair shake before doing anything else rogue. I only have until March 11 to hcg it... then it is maintenance for me goal met or not. I'm at a healthy BMI but am looking to get down another 8-13 pounds. If I don't get there with hcg I'll do it slower in some other way.

Shirley - Round 3 VLCD 50 - 25.6 pounds Total hcg loss: 88

[minimonkey]

Well, I finally got confirmation that my hcg shipped, and I should get it by Tuesday the 28th. I think I have enough to get me through then --so I shouldn't have to interrupt the round -- though if I miss delivery, I may not get it until the 1st.

I was hoping it would be here sooner, but this will have to do -- I should have just paid for the express shipping. I'd say I'll do that next time, except that I am really hoping there ISN'T a next time! I will sub with a day or two of hhcg if need be, and just continue the round.

I am hungry tonight, again -- but so be it.

[minimonkey]

Man, I am tanking tonight -- badly -- even with the extra protein. Hmph!

I'm going to try sticking this out until at least the minimum dosing period is over, but then I think I may actually have to take a break of at least a couple of days -- either that or add in some fat, or something -- but this amount of being dragged out is ridiculous.

I wasn't nearly this dragged out this early in my first round -- but then I also hadn't been dieting for as long, all told, and I started at a much higher weight. I am hoping this passes and that I feel better.

I'm not going to skip tonight's hcg dose after all -- not with feeling this hungry and weak -- I'll aim to skip a day in a couple of days.

[mdolph]

Mini- whew on your drops! Listen to your body. It sounds like like it's telling you you need something!

Cheryl- I don't have an answer for you. Take it easy! How's doggy's tale?

Shirley- I hate being without a car! We bought a 3rd veichle last fall. Nothing fancy, it's a 2000 chevy cavalier, but it has been such a relief! I work anywhere from 1/2 hour to an hour from home. On my long commutes I park the van and drive that otherwise dh drives the little car and parks his truck! It was the best $400 we spent, lol!

My weight is down again. I believe it was 141.6. I've been exhausted and fighting a chest cold the past few days. Last night I was in bed by 9. This is unheard of for me! I've been so hungry the past few days. I think what I need to do is take a good 2-3 days of being super low carb and deal with the hunger until I get back into ketosis. Lately I feel like all I want to do is eat then it sends me into panic mode which isn't good!

Oh one last thing... Sass, that's funny about the fence guy. You scared him! Lets just hope he doesn't do a crappy half a$$ job on your fence!

[DisneyPrincess]

Good morning. Steadily losing.

Long night with Ds of no sleep that ended with a terrible thunderstorm and him quivering in my arms for an hour. I'm SO ready for the weekend!

[Sasseaux]

Down again!!! 156.8 Yippee skippeee!!!

Mel, As long as it keeps the horses in I'll be happy.

Mini, I took a potassium and a multivitamin last night - I feel a little better today. I think that crappy feeling = losing!!! Hope so!!!

Millenia - good to see you!

Happy losing!!! I'll be out tonight because my kid will be at her grandma's - she has to get her braces tightened in the a.m. I'm going to my, eh hem, friend's.

[dazygyrl]

back to juddd for me, ladies....have decided that since i and so close to my personal maintenance window, that i need to figure out how to maintain without a "diet" aid. meaning, if i go out of my window, i need to be able to get back into it with my lifetime WOE rather than jumping into "diet" mode....does that make sense? i love the principles of JUDDD, as it has that built in correction, and EFGT so i need to figure out how to best work those two to fit ME.

[mdolph]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

back to juddd for me, ladies....have decided that since i and so close to my personal maintenance window, that i need to figure out how to maintain without a "diet" aid. meaning, if i go out of my window, i need to be able to get back into it with my lifetime WOE rather than jumping into "diet" mode....does that make sense? i love the principles of JUDDD, as it has that built in correction, and EFGT so i need to figure out how to best work those two to fit ME.

I really need to learn more about JUDDD. I think it might be what will work for me (in a low carb version). I'm just trying to get myself to try something new! Goodluck!

Sass- have a good evening out! We all need to get out every once in awhile!

All my worksites and my son's school is on a 2 hour delay. The roads are horrific and its really foggy. I decided to take the time to get some laundry done and to organize some paperwork. I don't even get a rest when there's a delay I guess! My kids love delay days as it means I'll make them a real breakfast (they chose coco wheats and scrambled eggs) and they get to watch tv. Something they normally don't get to do in the morning!

Disney- sorry to hear about your son. My son is a sleepwalker and I have to give him melatonin from time to time to help him fall asleep. I've yet to get a full nights sleep in 6 years, minus the night I slept in a hotel without him!

[Violet_Dream]

Good Morning! I'm all over the place and needed to come here and chat with all you wonderful people. First off, when I was younger, I developed this bad habit of plucking my eyebrows which turned into realizing that I could also pull the hair out with my fingers. Fast forward to recently, for the last few years - I've been pulling hair out of my legs (with my fingers) when I'm going to the bathroom and also from my upper crotch area (this is very embarrassing for me to admit, but I need to say it out loud). While doing this, I'm in the bathroom for sometimes up to an hour and have caused myself chronic neck pain. I don't know why I do it (maybe to have control over something?) I've also been clean and sober for over 14 years as well so if I can be clean and sober I can get rid of this habit which I found out is called trichotillomania. Anyway, with the neck pain, my massage therapist discovered a small lump on the back of my neck (which my husband says has to be from looking down for long periods of time). She said we all have lymphnodes (sp?) and when someone loses a lot of weight, it's not uncommon. She told me not to worry unless it gets bigger, but I am - so I made a doctor's appointment for March 6th. I don't mean to discuss something that's TMI, but I need to stop doing this.

I hope it's not cancer and am sure it's caused from my bad habit. Additionally, I'm now weighing once a week and want to do another round, I'm eating well and exercising, but didn't end my last round properly because I used the two days I should've been doing the 500 calorie plan without the hcg to do more interruption days. I did a chicken thigh day last week and was down two pounds the next day. I really want to get to 140 and settled for higher goal because I had been on hcg for so long.

Additionally, I have a bad habit of looking up negative things online like "can hcg cause cancer?" and found a few instances. That doesn't mean it was the hcg....

Thanks for reading everyone and I'm sure the lump is nothing. While I'm there, I'm also getting a complete physical with a full blood panel. I dumped the last of my hcg and my husband says I don't need it. I know how to lose weight without it, but am ready for another round.

My job is going great and I'll be back soon. Have a great day everyone!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by hikergurl

UGH! I'm up a pound this morning and I have no idea why. The only thing I can think of is that I had shrimp last night (for the first time on this round).

Like someone else said, maybe sodium. Shrimp is naturally high in it, and cocktail sauce too...

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I'm down to 154.4!! The lowest I've been in 6+months!! Woo-hoo!! And I still have 8 more days to go.

Awesome results!

Originally Posted by mdolph

Ok, those tuna muffins were AMAZING! I did tweak Linda Sue's recipe though. I added dill, garlic powder, hot sauce, parsley and a few drops of lemon juice. I omitted the green pepper and opted for extra celery. I did not add any salt or pepper. Oh and I added an extra egg.

Sounds like a great recipe! Now I need to pick up more tuna!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I think lowering the dose did help a bit -- not as hungry this morning.... and, even though TOM is still very much here, I am down another .8 lbs today

AWESOME!

Originally Posted by CherylB

Feeding and drowning my emotions. Back up to post load weight. Can't seem to grow up. Food and wine are my go-to drugs ("gate way drugs".)

We're still here for you no matter what state you are in...life is hills and valleys.

Originally Posted by Sasseaux

I've lost 6 net pounds in 2 weeks whereas I was losing like 1 pound a week on Hhcg. I'll take it!!

It's really terrific...10 total pounds with the load weight, you've done really well! LOL at your doctor's comments.

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Long night with Ds of no sleep that ended with a terrible thunderstorm and him quivering in my arms for an hour. I'm SO ready for the weekend!

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

back to juddd for me, ladies....have decided that since i and so close to my personal maintenance window, that i need to figure out how to maintain without a "diet" aid.

Sounds fun! I think it would have worked better for me if my metabolism hadn't been so crashed, I did enjoy JUDDDing, and got some hip/waist ratio improvement.

to everyone I missed.

Back down to 125.0 even (like Saturday's reading). It was 125.0, 126.0, 127.6, 127.8, 125.8, 125.0. Haven't seen a reading below 125 since January 28th-Feb1st, and some of that may have been DH's messing with my scale. I really want to see lower numbers, but just am not doing enough calorie wise to expect it. At least TOM is over!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Anyway, with the neck pain, my massage therapist discovered a small lump on the back of my neck (which my husband says has to be from looking down for long periods of time). She said we all have lymphnodes (sp?) and when someone loses a lot of weight, it's not uncommon. She told me not to worry unless it gets bigger, but I am - so I made a doctor's appointment for March 6th. I don't mean to discuss something that's TMI, but I need to stop doing this.

I noticed a lump back there last time I was sick, but it went away. Hope yours is nothing! Good luck breaking your bad habit.

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by Sasseaux

Millenia - good to see you!

Thanks! You too! You look awesome

[hikergurl]

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

Really tempted to throw out the diet and bury my sorrow in food, but I will not do it. Only 4 more days of shots. I can make it. Down 1.4 from fat fast day yesterday. Hope it sticks.

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Cheryl... his commute is about 30 miles which makes it WAYY to expensive for me to drive him to work. I have a friend who's hubby is in the military and is currently in Afghanistan she will loan me his vehicle when I'm in need which is a blessing. BUT I don't want to keep her car the entire time hubby is gone so I use it for a week or a few days here and there to get all my errands done and I'm thankful for her generosity!



Yes, I lost well on the FF I did. BUT then I couldn't get my head back into doing the VLCD and ended up gorging on fat for 2 days which caused me to gain back 3 of the 6 pounds I lost on the FF. I've been back on VLCD for 3 days still slightly modified and STILL have 1.4 to get back down to my lowest weight from the FF. I LOVED how I felt on the FF and might just do another one if my losses keep staying so SLOW... but for now I really want to give the VLCD (with 2 tbsp cream for coffee.... but might even cut that out and go VLCD stricty), a fair shake before doing anything else rogue. I only have until March 11 to hcg it... then it is maintenance for me goal met or not. I'm at a healthy BMI but am looking to get down another 8-13 pounds. If I don't get there with hcg I'll do it slower in some other way.

Shirley - Round 3 VLCD 50 - 25.6 pounds Total hcg loss: 88

Wow, thanks for sharing that! It's nice to see people do things somewhat differently and still succeed. I can totally understand those cravings. Once you're strict VLC for the first week or 2, it becomes easier. But if you have a taste of the good stuff, it's hard to go right back. I had an interruption last round where I did strict Atkins b/c we went out of town. It was hard to get back, and I did worse on that round than any other (this is my fourth round).

So....I hope to God I don't stall enough to have to try FF this time. My rounds are usually very short (25 days), so I am pretty strict protocol, but I tweak my veggies and do have H&H in my coffee about once a week. On all of the other rounds, I had a splash of H&H every day in my coffee, and all of my losses were about the same. This time, I am not doing H&H, but I am having melba for the first time.

I love fat, so I'm glad to see you guys doing this. Fat is great. Outside of HCG and when in phases 3 and 4, my diet is pretty strict Atkins/low carb. I don't incorporate carbs into my diet on a daily basis. The most I'll have is a slice of bread maybe once a week, or some corn with my dinner. That's about it. So fat is my friend and always will be!

[Millenia98]

Speaking of.... (and related to my above post) -

Have you folks seen the documentary "Fat Head"? My husband was in AWE. He was like, omg all these years, I see now what you've been doing and how it works. I'm like... THANK YOU! He's a believer now Fat Head » About the Film

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by hikergurl

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

Really tempted to throw out the diet and bury my sorrow in food, but I will not do it. Only 4 more days of shots. I can make it. Down 1.4 from fat fast day yesterday. Hope it sticks.

Huge hugs!!!!!!! I mean, big ones. I can't imagine how you must feel right now. Stay strong for us though. We need you as well

[minimonkey]

Hiker and Violet --- Hugs and prayers to you both!!!

Hiker, do what you need to do to get through -- but know that food won't make the grief any less real (nor will losing weight, for that matter.)

Violet -- trichotilliomania is more than just a bad habit -- it is actually considered an anxiety disorder. You might want to talk to a doctor about the possibility of meds, at least for a little while -- antidepressants have a good track record with helping that.

I wouldn't stress the lump too much right now -- we have lots of lymph nodes in the neck area, and they can definitely swell to the point that one can feel them. Even an irritated hair follicle on my head or a bad acne outbreak is enough to make that happen to me -- I hope that eases your mind somewhat!

[minimonkey]

Dazy -- your plan sounds like a good one to me -- we can't keep jumping back on hcg forever (I'm one to talk, lol!)

[dazygyrl]

Originally Posted by hikergurl

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

Really tempted to throw out the diet and bury my sorrow in food, but I will not do it. Only 4 more days of shots. I can make it. Down 1.4 from fat fast day yesterday. Hope it sticks.

i know your pain, hiker...i lost my dad 17 mos ago. i'm so sorry. going off your diet won't help...it'll only make you feel worse. get a picture of your daddy and put it where you can see it alllll the time. smile back at him and thank him everyday for who he was. remember he wouldn't want you to derail all your efforts, that he would want you to continue your fight to meet your goals.

[minimonkey]

I'm feeling a bit better this morning, after a good night's sleep. And, even though the scale isn't moving much right now (down .2) , the inches sure are! I look and feel a lot leaner this morning than I have in quite a while -- particularly in the legs and butt-- so I am feeling encouraged to keep going.

I think potassium and vitamins are a great idea today, and I am going to keep up the higher protein for another day or two -- if I need to come in at 750-800 calories, so be it -- I have a whole next leg of the round to ramp things back up in terms of losing.

TOM is just about over now -- I don't know if I will see a scale drop from that or not, since I actually lost during it, which is unusual --- either way, I am not stressing that too much.

I'm beginning to think I may be perfectly happy at 100 lbs, and that I may not want to lose much below that -- we'll see when I get there -- but I am very happy with the inch loss as of right now

[minimonkey]

Cheryl -- I would definitely get that abdominal thing checked out -- that does NOT sound good -- it sounds a little like it could be a hernia, actually -- though there's a lot of organs in that area, too -- and whatever it is, I'd high-tail it to a doctor sooner rather than later!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by Millenia98

So if you're on P2 and stall/decide to do a fat fast....do you lose weight during the 4-5 days you have all of this fat? Does it take that long (4-5 days) to break the stall?

It looks like folks do 2-5days of it, some longer, to break stalls or get the scale moving. Looks like a successful strategy for them. You're doing great!! how far for you until goal? I remember envying your losses last round (while my round was tanking, you were doing great!). Hope you do well this time around too!!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Man, I am tanking tonight -- badly -- even with the extra protein. Hmph!

I'm going to try sticking this out until at least the minimum dosing period is over, but then I think I may actually have to take a break of at least a couple of days -- either that or add in some fat, or something -- but this amount of being dragged out is ridiculous.

I wasn't nearly this dragged out this early in my first round -- but then I also hadn't been dieting for as long, all told, and I started at a much higher weight. I am hoping this passes and that I feel better.

I'm not going to skip tonight's hcg dose after all -- not with feeling this hungry and weak -- I'll aim to skip a day in a couple of days.

That's an awful feeling!! I was hoping the Rx would make a difference for you. So sorry!! Maybe you should take a little fat laden interruption? That may replenish your energy stores, reset your mind, and you'll be ready to more of an extended round? You're strong enough to go back to the VLC after that. I don't think I'd be able to get my head back into it. Hope you feel better. You are taking your supplements, right? And sleeping?

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

back to juddd for me, ladies....have decided that since i and so close to my personal maintenance window, that i need to figure out how to maintain without a "diet" aid. meaning, if i go out of my window, i need to be able to get back into it with my lifetime WOE rather than jumping into "diet" mode....does that make sense? i love the principles of JUDDD, as it has that built in correction, and EFGT so i need to figure out how to best work those two to fit ME.

I hope JUDDD works well for you. You're right, finding a way to maintain for LIFE is really key. We all know we can find a way to lose the weight, it's the keeping it off so we arent' always RE-losing it that's important! Share what you learn with us!!

Originally Posted by hikergurl

My dad passed away this morning. While I was expecting it, it still knocked the wind out of me to hear the words. I will miss him so much, and am thankful that in the last few years we've been able to mend fences and have complete restoration of our relationship.

Really tempted to throw out the diet and bury my sorrow in food, but I will not do it. Only 4 more days of shots. I can make it. Down 1.4 from fat fast day yesterday. Hope it sticks.

Oh Hiker!! I'm so sorry!! I remember my dad passing like it just happened. I'm so glad you were able to reconcile with him and will have those happy memories to console you. I'll be praying for you and your family.

Cheryl-we'll keep plugging away and being careful with our $ and hopefully eventually we'll get ahead. It's always a good reminder to me "not to lay up my treasures here on earth". I don't have too many choices ! Hope your doggie is better. Not sure what to tell you on that pain. You're the nurse What do you think? Do you see your Dr anytime soon? Could you call him for some input? Hope you're feeling better, and doggie too!

Melanie-glad you've got a delay, and way to use that time wisely!! you're inspiring!!

Shirley-we've talked about going down to 1 car, since I homeschool. Dh doesn't like the idea. His work is about 40 min from home, so if I do need the car it'd be quite an ordeal. My mom, who's in the hospital, offered to let us borrow her car if we need it for a while. That might just work out!!

Sas-I love your posts! you always make me smile!! I think you're doing great!! And living life along the way!

Paula-good job!! Hope you seem some new (lower) numbers soon!!

I'm down 0.6 today. I'm amazed that I am still going. I am expecting a stall anytime! 153.8 today . Lowest I've been in a while. If I can keep losing (which at the bitter end is a BIG IF), I may just see 150!! That would be amazing!!

And I'm wearing my size 6 jeans today!! They're tight (right out of the dryer) but look ok!!

Happy morning!! Hope the weekend isn't my downfall!! It's always so hard eating out!! I may just drink some tea or soda if we go out. I have a baby shower and that will be a challenge. Hope I can eat first and just drink water while there!!