Trail Blazers and Path Takers

[TerriMM]

I ended up with:
993 Calories
Fat 57%
Protein 22%
Carbs 21%
The main reason the carbs are so high is Full fat Yogurt. I’ve read that you should only count half the carbs because the process eats up the sugars. How do you count it?

[dazygyrl]

well that's the thing...i don't know. i make my own yogurt using 3 cups heavy cream, 1 cup whole milk, plus the 2% fage starter, about 1/2 cup. for a 3oz serving mydailyplate gives me 1.4 carbs.

well, i was down another whole 0.2 this morning.

so i s'pose i'll try dropping to 600-700 cals and see if that works better.

i'll try this today:

no breakfast

L: 4oz canned chicken w/ 2T lite miracle whip; 3oz of my yogurt w/ 2T granola

S: 4oz 93/7 burger w/ sf ketchup, 1/4c chocolate PB2 made w/ 2T salted caramel and vanilla torani.

cals: 687
fat: 37.4g - 51.98%
protein: 55.75g - 34.04%
carbs: 22.64 (net 19.88) 13.98%

[beachagain]

woo hoo David...50 pounds in 50 days!!Awesome!!!!!

It's so interesting reading about your plans...I'm such a big chicken though

[TerriMM]

Me too, down .20. Today I’m going to try about the same calories, different percentages.
B-2 eggs, 1 oz avocado, 1 T HWC
L-2 cream cheese muffins
D-1 chicken thigh, 2 cups salad, 2 T caeser dressing
S -1/2 cup chocolate Yogurt
Calories 1005
Fat 73%
Protein 18%
Carbs 9%

[privatediva]

GOOOAAAAALLL!!!! (that was David). So yeah. And YAY. Today is LDW. Saturday is BREAKFAST heh. He is so excited. (so am I). We both work all day Saturday, so Saturday night we're going out for steak. He bought the wrong size jeans yesterday at Costco (picked up a short pair from the pile). So I told him he needed to see what the 34s fit like before he bought another pair of 36s. Our son wears a 34 so he got a pair out of Will's room. Voila! We're back in our high school britches in this house

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by privatediva

GOOOAAAAALLL!!!! (that was David). So yeah. And YAY. Today is LDW. Saturday is BREAKFAST heh. He is so excited. (so am I). We both work all day Saturday, so Saturday night we're going out for steak. He bought the wrong size jeans yesterday at Costco (picked up a short pair from the pile). So I told him he needed to see what the 34s fit like before he bought another pair of 36s. Our son wears a 34 so he got a pair out of Will's room. Voila! We're back in our high school britches in this house

Nice job! Both of you!!

[beachagain]

Deb...sounds awesome...I am almost green with envy

My hunger is tapered off...feeling good

[privatediva]

Yay for less hunger, Cristen! get it

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by privatediva

GOOOAAAAALLL!!!! (that was David). So yeah. And YAY. Today is LDW. Saturday is BREAKFAST heh. He is so excited. (so am I). We both work all day Saturday, so Saturday night we're going out for steak. He bought the wrong size jeans yesterday at Costco (picked up a short pair from the pile). So I told him he needed to see what the 34s fit like before he bought another pair of 36s. Our son wears a 34 so he got a pair out of Will's room. Voila! We're back in our high school britches in this house

Way Too Cool! Party at the Green house!!!

[TerriMM]

Hey Cheryl,
I just read your siggy. I don't know what you're dealing with, with Sissy, but I had good luck treating my doggie with tummy problems (I actually think she had a mild case or Parvo) with Colloidal Silver as a natural antibiotic and aloe juice to sooth.

I agree, it’s hard to find a vet that isn’t just in it for the $.

[CherylB]

Terri, she has a problem with cysts. Well, this one came up out of nowhere and it is in a terribly vulnerable place on her very happy tail. She hits that part of her tail into hard things all day long. Well, it came up so rapidly that I didn't even notice it when I had brushed her last. But we went to my sisters' house to go look for that missing dog (who finally did come home after 6 days!) and Sissy bled from the first wall inside her mudroom to every surface along a 15 foot area. We didn't see the blood until someone noticed fresh blood on my sister's light-colored dog. We discovered the source to be Cisco's tail and set about stopping the bleeding.

I back tracked to see where the bleeding had started and it had begun right at the moment she came nose to nose with Donna's dog. It was just sheer happiness and extra hard wagging that popped this thing that was just ready and waiting to go. But it looked like a crime scene in her house. We were wiping up blood off appliances, walls, doors, floors, chairs, table legs, etc.

I put a dressing on it that night before I went to bed and checked it each day to see if there'd been more bleeding. On about the fourth day, I cut the dressing off and took a closer look at it. It didn't look any better and when the old clot came off with the dressing, it started to ooze blood again. I just got this sickening feeling that this was malignant.

But since cancelling the surgery and treating it myself but on a daily basis, I see a real improvement. I think with the oral ABX capsules and the topical treatments and keeping it bandaged against further tail banging, it could heal up completely. Then I'll just have to keep some sort of soft wrap around that area to keep it from getting re-injured through her unstoppable happiness. I swear, she must have been wagging in the womb!

[dazygyrl]

wooohooo, deb! that's awesome. he did so well!

cheryl! good to see you. hope you get the owie all healed up without surgery.

[shirleychef]

Well I was only down .2 today too... must be that type of a day gals!

So part way through the day I changed my plan:
B: 2 tbsp cream & 1/2 green smoothie (kefired skim milk, strawberries, spinach & 1/2 serving protein powder)
L: Rest of green smoothie and 20 cal serving of Wasa
Snack: apple with cinnamon & truvia
D: 100 g chicken over bed of salad with tangy mustard dressing and 20 cal of garlic grassini for "croutons"

Calories 596... maybe the scale will like me better tomorrow. Still 1.4 above my lowest hcg weight. If I don't get LOTS closer tomorrow I'm going to forgo 1/2 the cream in my coffee . That will put me closer to 500 cals for tomorrow and of course a LOT less fat. NOW that I'm feeling so much more in the "groove" I want to try to get to 140 before I call it quits. I was 148.4 today. BUT I'm still giving myself permission to STOP if I just feel like I cannot carry on and be committed to the protocol. Better to STOP and stabilize than GAIN because I make poor choices again.

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Terri, she has a problem with cysts. Well, this one came up out of nowhere and it is in a terribly vulnerable place on her very happy tail. She hits that part of her tail into hard things all day long. Well, it came up so rapidly that I didn't even notice it when I had brushed her last. But we went to my sisters' house to go look for that missing dog (who finally did come home after 6 days!) and Sissy bled from the first wall inside her mudroom to every surface along a 15 foot area. We didn't see the blood until someone noticed fresh blood on my sister's light-colored dog. We discovered the source to be Cisco's tail and set about stopping the bleeding.

I back tracked to see where the bleeding had started and it had begun right at the moment she came nose to nose with Donna's dog. It was just sheer happiness and extra hard wagging that popped this thing that was just ready and waiting to go. But it looked like a crime scene in her house. We were wiping up blood off appliances, walls, doors, floors, chairs, table legs, etc.

I put a dressing on it that night before I went to bed and checked it each day to see if there'd been more bleeding. On about the fourth day, I cut the dressing off and took a closer look at it. It didn't look any better and when the old clot came off with the dressing, it started to ooze blood again. I just got this sickening feeling that this was malignant.

But since cancelling the surgery and treating it myself but on a daily basis, I see a real improvement. I think with the oral ABX capsules and the topical treatments and keeping it bandaged against further tail banging, it could heal up completely. Then I'll just have to keep some sort of soft wrap around that area to keep it from getting re-injured through her unstoppable happiness. I swear, she must have been wagging in the womb!

My mom’s sheltie had that and they actually amputated her tail. My mom was heart broke with missing it until she got used to her wagging her whole hind end instead. For Sissy!

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

Well I was only down .2 today too... must be that type of a day gals!

So part way through the day I changed my plan:
B: 2 tbsp cream & 1/2 green smoothie (kefired skim milk, strawberries, spinach & 1/2 serving protein powder)
L: Rest of green smoothie and 20 cal serving of Wasa
Snack: apple with cinnamon & truvia
D: 100 g chicken over bed of salad with tangy mustard dressing and 20 cal of garlic grassini for "croutons"

Calories 596... maybe the scale will like me better tomorrow. Still 1.4 above my lowest hcg weight. If I don't get LOTS closer tomorrow I'm going to forgo 1/2 the cream in my coffee . That will put me closer to 500 cals for tomorrow and of course a LOT less fat. NOW that I'm feeling so much more in the "groove" I want to try to get to 140 before I call it quits. I was 148.4 today. BUT I'm still giving myself permission to STOP if I just feel like I cannot carry on and be committed to the protocol. Better to STOP and stabilize than GAIN because I make poor choices again.

True that! I'm starting to get those feelings myself. I'm thinking I'll probably head to P3 soon just to keep myself in line.

[dazygyrl]

Originally Posted by TerriMM

I'm thinking I'll probably head to P3 soon just to keep myself in line.

i was just saying this to dh earlier today. i just don't want to be in "diet" mode anymore. i know i have only done 4 days, but not seeing much scale movement is NOT helping my frame of mind. i can do that little bit of movement on my own eating yummy LC.

i'll go on if you will!?!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

i was just saying this to dh earlier today. i just don't want to be in "diet" mode anymore. i know i have only done 4 days, but not seeing much scale movement is NOT helping my frame of mind. i can do that little bit of movement on my own eating yummy LC.

i'll go on if you will!?!

You gals are also so close to goal... I think that whole giving ourselves permission to eat right and lose SLOWER than hcg/VLCD is really tough. We KNOW that the VLCD/hcg works but it is so extremely restrictive AND it is tough on our adrenals/thyroid which I believe can make some days a truly emotional battle (due to the stress on our adrenals & hormones).

I think after experiencing such megga losses on hcg.... it is hard to "settle" for slower losses doing LC or JUDDDing or something like that. At least this is MY struggle/view. This is what I've been trying to work through.... being ok with leaving hcg... and allowing my body to lose slower by eating a very nutrient dense LC healthy diet.

You folks on this forum have been SUCH a huge blessing to me over these past two weeks and I just have to say that whatever you guys decide it is the VERY BEST choice for you..... and you WILL receive the encouragement and support here to move on.

Maybe you didn't need to hear that.... but I'm so thankful for you all being here for me this week and hope I can someday repay the kindness and be a blessing back.

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

i was just saying this to dh earlier today. i just don't want to be in "diet" mode anymore. i know i have only done 4 days, but not seeing much scale movement is NOT helping my frame of mind. i can do that little bit of movement on my own eating yummy LC.

i'll go on if you will!?!

I was feeling bad about abandoning you DH stopped pellets today so that's making it extra hard. I was wondering how the EFGT concept would work without the pellets. I'm good with the food choices and if I didn't have to worry about calories...............

What would you do?

[dazygyrl]

Thank you for your insight, Shirley. My biggest struggle that I need to reign in is getting back to the frame of mind that the main point of food is for fuel, not entertainment. Social eating is where I struggle. Whether it's a group of people or just dh and I. I don't run to food emotionally in times of stress as I don't "feel" stress which is a whole other weird thing. Dh ENJOYS food and this makes it hard for me to not eat for enjoyment as well. so, if I can figure out THAT, all should be good....right?

I also need to find the patience I need to lose the last 3-5 lbs. I am in my personal window, but would like to be on the lower end of that window. I really should just be eating to maintain since I am technically "in my window". I can't run to some weight loss diet every time I tip out that window, I have to figure out how to bring it lower within my maintenance woe....does that make sense?

[dazygyrl]

I was typing when you posted Terri...I think EFGT seems to be a good fit for you seems your body likes higher fat lower protein.

I'm contemplating juddd again, with possibly efgt too. I do love the concept of that woe, I need to figure out to make it work for me.

[dazygyrl]

And once again, we find ourselves eerily in sync.

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by shirleychef

You gals are also so close to goal... I think that whole giving ourselves permission to eat right and lose SLOWER than hcg/VLCD is really tough. We KNOW that the VLCD/hcg works but it is so extremely restrictive AND it is tough on our adrenals/thyroid which I believe can make some days a truly emotional battle (due to the stress on our adrenals & hormones).

I think after experiencing such megga losses on hcg.... it is hard to "settle" for slower losses doing LC or JUDDDing or something like that. At least this is MY struggle/view. This is what I've been trying to work through.... being ok with leaving hcg... and allowing my body to lose slower by eating a very nutrient dense LC healthy diet.

You folks on this forum have been SUCH a huge blessing to me over these past two weeks and I just have to say that whatever you guys decide it is the VERY BEST choice for you..... and you WILL receive the encouragement and support here to move on.

Maybe you didn't need to hear that.... but I'm so thankful for you all being here for me this week and hope I can someday repay the kindness and be a blessing back.

Ahhhhhhhhhh Thanks Shirley! We really like you too! You're already a big part of our "out of the box" thinking, cooking and brainstorming. Don't think that just because you stop HCG that changes. We want you to stick around and share the madness.

And I get what you mean about the people here being such a blessing! And don’t worry we all take turns being the windshield or the bug.

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

Thank you for your insight, Shirley. My biggest struggle that I need to reign in is getting back to the frame of mind that the main point of food is for fuel, not entertainment. Social eating is where I struggle. Whether it's a group of people or just dh and I. I don't run to food emotionally in times of stress as I don't "feel" stress which is a whole other weird thing. Dh ENJOYS food and this makes it hard for me to not eat for enjoyment as well. so, if I can figure out THAT, all should be good....right?

I also need to find the patience I need to lose the last 3-5 lbs. I am in my personal window, but would like to be on the lower end of that window. I really should just be eating to maintain since I am technically "in my window". I can't run to some weight loss diet every time I tip out that window, I have to figure out how to bring it lower within my maintenance woe....does that make sense?

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

And once again, we find ourselves eerily in sync.

Don't know why it continues to surprise us

I really don't have that much to lose either and it seems like it should be so easy to just do it. But it totally is the frame of mind and I just don't seem to be able to maintain it right now. I mean what's the deal with these couple of big lapses this week? That totally isn't like me.

So at least LDW is a full pound less than last. Not where I was hoping of course, but as always, I feel like I have a fresh bag of tools for maintaining and moving in the right direction. And I also am in a spot where I feel like I'll either move down or at the very least maintain and we both know the importance of that.

[dazygyrl]

let's just do it then, lady!

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

let's just do it then, lady!

Do you find yourself all of a sudden smiling? Me too!

[dazygyrl]

Yes! Even tho I totally just blew it here at church. (we eat supper at church every we'd before church starts) but tomorrow is a new day and I WILL get this!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

Thank you for your insight, Shirley. My biggest struggle that I need to reign in is getting back to the frame of mind that the main point of food is for fuel, not entertainment. Social eating is where I struggle. Whether it's a group of people or just dh and I. I don't run to food emotionally in times of stress as I don't "feel" stress which is a whole other weird thing. Dh ENJOYS food and this makes it hard for me to not eat for enjoyment as well. so, if I can figure out THAT, all should be good....right?

I also need to find the patience I need to lose the last 3-5 lbs. I am in my personal window, but would like to be on the lower end of that window. I really should just be eating to maintain since I am technically "in my window". I can't run to some weight loss diet every time I tip out that window, I have to figure out how to bring it lower within my maintenance woe....does that make sense?

I totally understand the "pleasure" aspect and am still adjusting my mind set in that area.. but sadly I'm a TOTAL stress eater. Stress and anti-stress... meaning after a tough day I LONG to binge at night just because all is quite and I can ENJOY a bite of something without interruption. Sounds silly hey??? I deal with it every time I re-enter phase 3 and I usually night time binge for a week or so before I can reign myself back in... this time I'm considering Leptin Rx eating style which does NOT allow any eating at night to see if by putting that "rule" on myself I can get settled in without that initial binge.

I also agree about the running to a diet every time we are above our personal window. I desire to find a WOE that will allow me to reign it in and drop those pounds above the window easily. I so do not want to diet my life away!! There has to be balance and harmony somewhere along the way and finding that WOE is out there for each of us, learning what works and just doing it!

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

I was typing when you posted Terri...I think EFGT seems to be a good fit for you seems your body likes higher fat lower protein.

I'm contemplating juddd again, with possibly efgt too. I do love the concept of that woe, I need to figure out to make it work for me.

I read over in the JUDDD forum too and I think there are some that do the EFGT principles even on down days. AND depending on how much you have to lose and how fast you want to lose it... you could eat more cals on DD's at least until your body gets used to it, then decrease DD's to the 500 or 20% level for loss. I see some of the vetrans telling folks to start at 7-800 if they are struggling to hit 500. Some say that by giving themselves "permission" to eat more they find they stick closer to the 5-600 range.

I seriously like what I'm reading about JUDDDing... BUT I'm a natural EFGT person. I focus a LOT on fat & protein in my maintenance diet. I'm hoping to find a way to marry the two with success for lifetime maintenance... BUT... I really think I will just need a couple weeks of "normal" phase 3 b/f doing JUDDDing... I need to just be "normal" before restricting again. Does that make sense?? Actually I tried the Leptin Rx for about a week in November and LOVED the BAB and how it helped me to control cravings.

I'm getting labs done in April and if my t3 is still messed up Leptin Rx will be in my future for sure!!

[dazygyrl]

I have done Juddd a couple different times. I don't know why I never got the losses others have, but I just didn't. I need to find a way that works for me combining juddd and EFGT. Having done hcg, the DDs of juddd didn't bother me at all.

I get your evening binge deal. I too can do great all day and by 5-6 o'clock I get hit with the munchies.

I suspect I will be back out of my window tomorrow as I was just barely in it this morning, but am certain a good DD will get me down. Just need to decide if I am ready for DDs yet.

[CherylB]

Wow, ladies! Your really are the "sync sisters" for some reason. I can't relate at all to the problem you face with what to do to get the last 5 or so lbs off or to stay within your window. I'm much closer to that problem than I have been in 12 years, but I have a long way to go before that is my problem.

At the points where you are both at, shouldn't you just be deciding how you want to eat for the rest of your lives? I mean, if you are more of a veggie eater than meat eater, should you try to make a plan that allows for you to eat the things you love that make you feel the healthiest?

I know LC makes sense on many levels, but when I get to goal, I don't know if I'm going to want to keep eating mainly meat and fat and dairy for the rest of my life. I'm kind of over animals for consumption. I think meat is nice sometimes, but I prefer things that didn't once have breath in their lungs or thoughts in their heads.

Anyway, maybe you need to just take a look at the bigger picture now that you are "there." How do you want to live? You said it yourself. The dieting mentality has to end. So, how will you live?