~~Rogue and Alternative HCG plans for week of 1/29/12~~

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cheryl -- I saw your signature line.... man, I WISH the pellets did that for me -- the "not one trace of hunger" bit -- if so, I'd stick to protocol without thinking twice about it.

I am hoping I get that hunger suppression from the real deal -- minimal hunger, I can ignore -- but constant, nagging hunger really gets me down after a while.

My hunger comes and goes -- and I've definitely adapted to eating a whole lot less than I used to eat -- but my body has also adapted so it isn't particularly losing any pounds, either.

I do mean it about doing a p3 if the real thing doesn't do the trick for me -- and I will work on trying to heighten my metabolism in maintenance, through leptin reset, JUDDD, or something of that nature.

Yep. Thankfully I've never had problems with hunger when taking my pellets. I always have loaded so maybe that helps. But today I felt no hunger until around 6 pm, and that's because I hadn't eaten anything yet today. Just black coffee. So, hunger at those times is not only expected, it is welcome. Sometimes I need to be reminded that I can't go without food. But I wish I could because I forgot how much this diet sucks in the food-department.

Originally Posted by paulabob

The basic rules are begin eating within 30 minutes of waking, at least 50 gram protein breakfast. If you are like me and wake up at 4 am sometimes....you don't have to eat then. You are trying to "rehook" yourself into your natural circadian rhythm. No snacks, and don't eat within 4 hours of sleep. Coffee/tea are not considered snacks. Adding cream to it is (unless it's mealtime). Try lowering the lights when it's close to bedtime, and eliminate as much TV/computer from late night hours as you can.

He recommends 25 grams or less carbs for those wanting weight loss, and cutting dairy/nightshades is a "next" step for those with problems (ie, those coming off hcg are usually considered problematical). He says no fruit at all. I still had my occasional blackberries...

That's the short of it. The long of it is to get your hormones tested and in line...I think you are like me with the estrogen dominance problem... I've not tested, but have been taking my brown kelp powder again.

I don't like eating in the morning, but I was amazed at how full that large breakfast made me. I would eat a very light lunch (all I needed) just so I wouldn't have a problem making it till dinner. My breakfast usually ended up being about half of my calories for the day.

What are "nighshades"? In the first post, I was supposing they were peppers but now in this second post of yours, I really have no idea what they are! This is a plan I could never do. The more I learn about it, the more sure I am. I'm glad it works for you!

Originally Posted by catjrow3

Maybe .... darn it all, if so, today is the day~ Darn old TOM visiting right on his schedule this morning, and my swoosh'ing will hopefully start tomorrow!!

So far today, I have had 1 sugar free jello... thats all. I might have a salad with just lettuce and tomato for dinner, as I am very hungry... normally not with the shots, but they are the last couple that I froze last time, so that might be why... but I want to try to muddle it out. Might mix new for morning though so I can hopefully do another fast day tomorrow... we will see (have not made it through today's yet.. LOL)...

EAT SOME PROTEIN. That's what you need the most when eating next to nothing at all.

I ate some more chicken tonight (yawning) and used WF BBQ sauce to dip it in. I have to disengage with all thoughts of food as pleasure for the next entire month. That is going to be hard to do, but I will do it. Perhaps I just need to find me something that I enjoyed as much as my version of the P2 Chili. I ate that every day on R1. I loved it. Then came round 2 and I was growing so tired of all things meat. I'm kind of still there.

I went to take a drive to look at a mobile home that is for rent. It's almost unheard of to find a mobile home in CT that isn't in a park and this one is on it's own 1/3 acre. It is very old, very narrow and nothing I own would fit into it. But it's at the very end of a quiet dead-end street and there is even a nice front porch and a babbling brook that runs along side the property (in a cement culvert that people built to keep their homes from flooding out.) I couldn't believe my ears as I walked through the back yard hearing water.

I could definitely live with where it's located but not with the home itself. I'm going to call her back and tell her I don't want to meet her there tomorrow as planned. I can lower my standards, but not quite that low.

[DisneyPrincess]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Disney -- I have a question about your recent gain --

I know you were eating off plan, but were you over-eating? Or, did you just have rapid gain from what most people would consider normal eating?

Yes, I was over eating. I had a few smaller binges, and was drinking. I probably didn't deserve 10 pounds but I know I could have easily put on 5 pounds of pure fat

When I eat "normal" I usually put on a few pounds but it is usually water and a few days low carb gets that off. I've visually gained fat now

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Question #1: I also get up hella early but my "normal" wake time is probably around 7-7:30am if I just let myself wake natually. Do you shoot for when you wake naturally?

Question #2: because I get up so dang early and am often home late, I usually end up eating around 6:30pm. I'm in bed by 9pm and normally asleep by 10 (although I try to fall asleep sooner). Is this good enough?

Question #3: If I eat a big breakfast and a light lunch even with a heavy dinner, I often get very few calories in. I don't want to be stabilizing at 1500 calories. How do you get in a decent amount to keep your metabolism revved? Just make sure the breakfast is VERY high calorie???

Thanks for any help you can give!

1 - yes, you are supposed to get to bed early enough that eventually you wake at your natural time. Not sure I've ever gotten there, but I've improved! But eat when you wake unless you are trying to go back to sleep.
2 - I have heard no, you absolutely need to eat earlier...but that's true of every rule. It's pretty difficult to fit every one in, especially for women with children (having to eat early, handle kids breakfast/getting to school/work) Sometimes something has to give!
3 - For sure eat plenty! I was definitely maintaining, not losing during my reset period. The first week I averaged my maintenance number - 1650 (this was after a few P3 days before I started). The last week I averaged 1850 calories. I ate plenty, weight varied a lot. I ended 2.2 above my lowest P2 number, which is pretty typical for where I stabilize. It's just I was used to having 1/2 calories at lunch and 1/2 at dinner. With the big breakfast everything shifted.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I think you are tracking calories and macros, correct? Can I get a sense of what yours look like?

I also have to wake unnaturally early due to my schedule sometimes -- my understanding is that you eat when you actually wake up for the day, natural or not... unless you wake up at 4 am and then try to go back to sleep....right?

My protein went thru the roof on this program. Here's my calories, gram net carbs, and grams protein for the last week I did the reset:
2010 31 108
2010 16 86
1480 19 109
1410 38 94
1990 31 102
1920 33 98
2290 54 106

And yes, if you are up for the day, go ahead and eat.

Keep in mind I am no expert...

Originally Posted by CherylB

What are "nighshades"? In the first post, I was supposing they were peppers but now in this second post of yours, I really have no idea what they are!

Nightshades are potatoes, tomatoes, and peppers. I think eggplant too. Apparently they are all related and have a substance which is slightly toxic to quite a few people. People with arthritis and diabetes are often told to try avoiding them. It makes me sad...I'm such a pepper lover!

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

When I eat "normal" I usually put on a few pounds but it is usually water and a few days low carb gets that off. I've visually gained fat now

I hope it goes quickly...you have enough on your plate right now!

[CherylB]

Wild! Never heard that before. Not about to go without tomatoes and peppers (I'm a jalapeno popper fan, as you all know.) In fact, I wish I could eat nothing but poppers while on P2. Then I could stay on it forever!

[mdolph]

Cheryl- sorry to hear about your housing situation. I hope you find something! Speaking of jalapeno poppers, I used your recipe and tweaked it a bit this weekend. DH said it was to die for. I added cumin and chili powder to the cream cheese, added a tad shredded cheddar and wrapped the jalapeno with a slice of bacon. Then I put them on the grill! Yummo!

This leptin reset is interesting. I may have to check it out. I normally don't do breakfast though and I love my tomatoes and peppers.

Disney, sorry to hear about the gain. It'll go away!

So I'm down for the count right now, strep throat. I never get sick and this is royalling kicking my ass. I've slept pretty much 20 of the last 24 hours. I somehow managed to get my son on the school bus and called my dad to pick up my daughter for preschool. When DH came home I was passed out 1/2 on the couch 1/2 on the floor. He had to dress me to take me into the doctor. My fever was 105. Doc said this is the worse case of strep he's seen all year. Great! I came home and slept more. And even with all this sleeping and barely eating anything I'm up 4 pounds! WTH!

I think I'll fat fast the latter part of the week. I should be feeling better by then. He gave me a strong antibiotic. Tomorrow I was told I couldn't so I'll spend another day sleeping this off. I'm hoping come Wednesday I'll have some energy again.

[minimonkey]

Melanie -- Holy cow that is a high fever!!!!! Please take care of yourself!

Being sick almost always results in a gain due to inflammation, in most people. Antibiotics can cause gains too, but it sounds like you are just starting those -- in any event, I hope you feel better very, very soon.

Disney -- thanks for answering that. I'm always terrified that even semi-normal eating will pile the pounds on me. At least you ate in a way that makes the gain understandable, if you know what I mean.

I just didn't have a p2 day in me today, really. I am coming in at about 1500 calories -- clean eating, but it really isn't p2 in any way. I'm thinking I might stop dosing for the time being, eat a cautious p3, and wait for my supposedly real drops to come.

I've committed myself to doing a round when they do, since they lose potency pretty fast -- so when they get here, I will need to be ready to start.

Probably better to do a little interrupt now, and just aim for maintenance until I start the new round...at which point I am going to aim to do protocol. I don't think I will load -- just let the interrupt serve as an extended mini load.

I only dosed once today, so I think I will just leave it at that and attempt to maintain from here. I suppose weighing is a good idea, since I need to know what on earth I am maintaining...lol.

[minimonkey]

I have no idea how long I'd be looking at in terms of a p3, so not sure if I will try the leptin reset or not -- but since I naturally eat more or less that way anyhow, it'll probably at least approximate it.

I don't know - I feel totally off my game, like I am following no plan at all right now. I think a short break is in order -- it isn't as if I was losing anything at all with the rogue p2 anyhow -- but part of me thinks I will gain if I try anything else at the moment.... hmph.

[Gremom]

Melanie, I hope you feel better soon! Strep totally sucks. We, as a family, had it 10 times in 2 months. couldn't get rid of it. DD#1 had it 4 times and they wanted to take her tonsils out, but we decided against it and she has been fine ever since (march of last year).

Mini, I do think your body needs a break. Sounds like you have a plan that you want to go with. Hope it all works out for ya.

Cheryl, I am with you girl. I couldn't do the Leptin diet. Sounds to strict and too many rules and I am not a rule follower. I am sorry that the moblie home didn't work. The setting sounds beautiful. God just has something better for ya!

I upped my protein today and I felt much better. My cals came in just over 1200 and that is about where I want to be. I wasn't even hungry enough to eat all my dinner. Usually when I do an intense workout I want to eat more. Who knows! I'll take it though. Really hoping to be down tomorrow.

[minimonkey]

I have no idea if this break is a good idea or not, but I'm just tired of being stalled and feeling like I am getting nowhere -- and since I have committed myself to doing the real-deal hcg, I may as well do the break while I can.

I guess that means facing the scale tomorrow, so I know whether maintenance is working for me or not. I won't be changing my diet radically in any event -- just continuing to do what I do and see if I can gradually eat a bit more and still maintain while doing it.

I'm a little terrified of the scale right now, which is totally ridiculous. It's time to get over that.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by mdolph

Cheryl- sorry to hear about your housing situation. I hope you find something! Speaking of jalapeno poppers, I used your recipe and tweaked it a bit this weekend. DH said it was to die for. I added cumin and chili powder to the cream cheese, added a tad shredded cheddar and wrapped the jalapeno with a slice of bacon. Then I put them on the grill! Yummo!

This leptin reset is interesting. I may have to check it out. I normally don't do breakfast though and I love my tomatoes and peppers.

Disney, sorry to hear about the gain. It'll go away!

So I'm down for the count right now, strep throat. I never get sick and this is royalling kicking my ass. I've slept pretty much 20 of the last 24 hours. I somehow managed to get my son on the school bus and called my dad to pick up my daughter for preschool. When DH came home I was passed out 1/2 on the couch 1/2 on the floor. He had to dress me to take me into the doctor. My fever was 105. Doc said this is the worse case of strep he's seen all year. Great! I came home and slept more. And even with all this sleeping and barely eating anything I'm up 4 pounds! WTH!

I think I'll fat fast the latter part of the week. I should be feeling better by then. He gave me a strong antibiotic. Tomorrow I was told I couldn't so I'll spend another day sleeping this off. I'm hoping come Wednesday I'll have some energy again.

OH, NO! I'm so glad your hubby came home and rescued you! 105 temp is dangerously high. I am glad that you are on some ABX and I hope they do the job. Sleep as much as you can and take care of yourself. You need to heal so feed your body and drink lots of fluids if you can manage it.

Your version of my poppers sound potent! Chili powder in the cream cheese? Ouch! You cooked them on a "grill grill"? Yummo is right. I don't mess with bacon strips with mine because I hate the mess and fuss and trying to get the bacon fully cooked all the way around them. And it's not like you can flip the little suckers over because the cream cheese would likely just ooze out. I'll stick to my bacon bits.

Originally Posted by Gremom

Melanie, I hope you feel better soon! Strep totally sucks. We, as a family, had it 10 times in 2 months. couldn't get rid of it. DD#1 had it 4 times and they wanted to take her tonsils out, but we decided against it and she has been fine ever since (march of last year).

Mini, I do think your body needs a break. Sounds like you have a plan that you want to go with. Hope it all works out for ya.

Cheryl, I am with you girl. I couldn't do the Leptin diet. Sounds to strict and too many rules and I am not a rule follower. I am sorry that the moblie home didn't work. The setting sounds beautiful. God just has something better for ya!

I upped my protein today and I felt much better. My cals came in just over 1200 and that is about where I want to be. I wasn't even hungry enough to eat all my dinner. Usually when I do an intense workout I want to eat more. Who knows! I'll take it though. Really hoping to be down tomorrow.

I know it. I was really excited, so I drove down there to get a feel for the place just as the sun was setting below the horizon. But I did call her and left a message on her machine, explaining that it wouldn't work. It was nice and private and quiet though. And the babbling brook would have sounded nice through my bedroom window.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I have no idea if this break is a good idea or not, but I'm just tired of being stalled and feeling like I am getting nowhere -- and since I have committed myself to doing the real-deal hcg, I may as well do the break while I can.

I guess that means facing the scale tomorrow, so I know whether maintenance is working for me or not. I won't be changing my diet radically in any event -- just continuing to do what I do and see if I can gradually eat a bit more and still maintain while doing it.

I'm a little terrified of the scale right now, which is totally ridiculous. It's time to get over that.

Mini, that sounds like a plan. Weigh yourself and then go to town on your usual coconut things you love. Then when the "real deal" comes, you can set about attacking your new plan.

I'm off to bed now. Barn and all farm animals tomorrow. Need to focus on packing something each day or I will run out of time and want to just strike a match to the place and be done with it.

Sweet dreams to all! See you tomorrow, God-willing.

[Trishagrrl]

I haven't had a chance to catch up with all of the posts. But, I'll try to see if I can eek out some time tomorrow to do that!

Melanie- Take care of yourself, get lots of rest, and hopefully you'll feel better soon. Don't worry about the dieting until you're well!

As for me, I haven't stepped back on the scale since my messed up Saturday. I'm planning on doing that in the morning. I'll have two fat fast days down, though tody was a bit high on the protein side.

I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas for me. I'm having sort of like what feels like menstrual cramps (though not terrible, just slight) and some of the muscles in my legs are achey. Particularly my right calf. None of it is terrible, just slightly uncomfortable. Could this be signaling some sort of mineral or vitamin deficiency?

[minimonkey]

Trisha

I get those when I am potassium deficient -- and I believe magnesium deficiency causes them as well -- but for me, it is a sure sign I need potassium. I often end up taking 4 pills a day when on a low calorie p2.

[star a.d.]

two days of fat fasting = 3 lbs down! yeah! I did it again today, though it was a little high on the protein side (75% fat calories).

I don't know how much more non-p3 I can handle, hah. I was going to rogue p2 for the rest of this week, do a one-day fat fast on the weekend, then finish up next week. we'll see.

[minimonkey]

Right on Star! Whoohooooo!

Well, I am going to weigh in the morning, whether I feel ready or not, and then I am doing trial p3 for a bit. I only dosed one time this morning, and was pretty lax about it yesterday, so I am not even bothering with the 48 hours, though I will keep it safe for the next few days anyhow.

Once I get a notice that the hcg is shipping, I'll gear up to do a protocol round... but it will be nice to have a p3 break, even if it is a short one, before that. Plus, I think my metabolism will benefit from doing it.

I hope the scale doesn't hate me too much -- I am still feeling a little bit bloaty, but a lot better than I was a few days ago.

I really, really hope this last resort solution is the key to getting the weight off and getting to goal....

[DisneyPrincess]

Good morning. Calling this R3VLCD1. This is my last and final round and I'm ready to roll. I didn't weight and probably won't for a few days. I know I'm fat and don't need the scale to show me that. Hoping my fat jeans get loser as the week progresses

Hope everyone has a great morning full of good losses.

[paulabob]

Wow, feeling positive energy on the thread today!

Trish - I agree with mini - potassium or magnesium. You can try broth too (full of minerals). And don't forget to get enough protein since you're nursing. You don't want your muscles to breakdown.

Down .8 today after my 1000 calorie "diet" day yesterday. Woo hoo, don't know what's in the water lately but I'm drinking it! Slipped into my levi 8s today, just a bit of muffin top!

[msgirl]

Doing a quick drive by check in right now - will do personals later

Down .6 from yesterday's apple day - really 1.2 if you count that mysterious water gain of .6 from Sunday to Monday - totally weird.

Anyway, I had apples all day (6) felt kind of bloated - like WAY too much fiber. But, suprisingly I was not hungry and lasted with no problem.

Today, doing strict protocol (gonna do that for the next 4 days) then calling it a round. I am done.

I was wrong about my days - I am actually on day 30 today! Much longer than I ever imagined!!!

But, a little determination, a great supportive group - and several tight outfits goes a long way

I hope you all have a marvelously happy day - I plan to do the same and make the most of the last few days on P2!

[belfrybat]

Wow, this thread moves fast. There is no way I will be able to keep up with it, but do thank you for the warm welcome and the caution concerning broth and msg. I make my own, so know exactly what is in it.

I'm down 1.5 today -- all water weight but still nice to see the scale heading in the right direction. I did not eat all the allotted food yesterday. 4 cups of veggies is a LOT of veggies. But I did have the full allottment of protein, and am wondering what I can do to boost that a bit. In past rounds I've eaten a LC yogurt or 1/2 cup kefir. Since I stalled so badly the last round, not sure I want to add those. I don't know for sure that is what caused my stall, but not sure I want to risk it.

Do any of you add protein and in what form when on P2?

[Gremom]

Paula, msgirl, belfrybat, star - yay for losses this morning! KUTGW!!

belfry, I can't answer your q about protein, but i know you will get one from someone here!

Jackie, hope this round goes well for you and i will pray for baby dust for you!

Was down 1 today! Yippee! That means I am only up .5 from my siggy weight, so hoping to be back there tomorrow! Am off to do a multitude of housework before my insanity workout for today. I am so sore from yesterday, but that means it's working!

Have a great Tuesday everyone!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by belfrybat

But I did have the full allottment of protein, and am wondering what I can do to boost that a bit. In past rounds I've eaten a LC yogurt or 1/2 cup kefir. Since I stalled so badly the last round, not sure I want to add those. I don't know for sure that is what caused my stall, but not sure I want to risk it.

Do any of you add protein and in what form when on P2?

I make the raw weight 5 ounces instead of 3 1/2. Not always but fairly often - I don't do the fruit or melba. I get that weak kneed sensation if I don't keep my protein up.

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by paulabob

Wow, feeling positive energy on the thread today!

Trish - I agree with mini - potassium or magnesium. You can try broth too (full of minerals). And don't forget to get enough protein since you're nursing. You don't want your muscles to breakdown.

Down .8 today after my 1000 calorie "diet" day yesterday. Woo hoo, don't know what's in the water lately but I'm drinking it! Slipped into my levi 8s today, just a bit of muffin top!

Paula, great job. You are moving right along right. You still doing the leptin reset??

I was down 6.8 this morning after my "mostly" fast day yesterday. I ended up eating a small salad of lettuce, tomato, wishbone 10 calorie spray and a few cranberries, and 2 SF jello cups, like 90 calories total... Needless, It was a water swoosh... (just like Cheryl... ) but I need 4 or 5 more of those please!!! I will attempt another fast day today, or as close as I can and then get back into the groove of some eating pattern on Wednesday. TOM bloat has not helped either... makes for one round Cathy...

Sounds like most are doing well this morning, good job ladies. I am going to save a FF for when I hit a stall, to hopefully revive and get me moving again...

[Trishagrrl]

Mini and Paula- thanks for your input! I'll try some broth today and see if it helps. I've been noticing it primarily in the evenings the last couple of days.

I'm still on the fence regarding what to do. As of today I'm back at my weight from last week. Two fat fast days did the trick. I am feeling like I need more food. Thinking about stopping the hhcg and trying to keep up with a ketogenic diet (very low carbs, high fat, moderate protein). But... I don't know. I just have to get some of this weight off. This round has pretty much been a flop. I've only taken 7 pounds off.

[lunagirl704]

I have a lot of catching up to do!

I was up .6 today, to 108 and I am feeling very discouraged. I'm taking these rx pellets, starving on 500-600 calories/day and nothing. WTH? It's got to be me, as hhcg pellets and rx pellets can't both be off. I'm so sick of dieting and seeing nothing for my efforts. I'm stuck at this weight whether I eat pasta and cookies or grilled chicken and salad. I can sacrifice and follow through with the protocol if I am seeing some results. I am waiting for a woosh and it's not coming. vlcd9 and drinking so much water I am running to the bathroom at work every 1/2 hour! I don't want to give up yet...sorry for such a downer of a post .

Mini-sounds like we are in the same place.

I hope you all have good losses today!

[msgirl]

lunagirl I know how that feels!!!! Hang in there. For some reason sometimes our bodies just won't release the weight we want to lose. It stinks but I know how you feel.


Trisha - you are probably needing more food - I can't imagine doing this and nursing too! You are a superwoman!!

Cat - 6.8 down Unbelievable!!!! I have never, ever lost that much in one day!!!! It takes me weeks to lose that much - water bloat or no!!! Yay for you!!!!!!!!

paula, gre, belfry - more losses!!!! Keep up the good work!! Congrats on making it another day on this wonderful journey of weight loss (sarcasm intended)

Disney - way to stay focused - I can't wait until I am at my last round. I really thought this would be the one and only for me - but, since I am on day 30 and not to my ultimate goal it looks like I am gonna move into P3 and then during the late summer do another round. WE will see - Good luck to you on this round!

Mini - you will do it - you are so strong and determined!

To everyone else - star, cheryl and anyone I may have missed.....have a great day on plan!

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by msgirl

Cat - 6.8 down Unbelievable!!!! I have never, ever lost that much in one day!!!! It takes me weeks to lose that much - water bloat or no!!! Yay for you!!!!!!!!

I know its alot, but can you put on 10 lbs in a day or two too? I do... which is why its not that amazing for me to lose that in water weight, cuz I can put it on like that too... Most people can load for 2 days and put on 2 or 3 lbs, I will put on 10 or 11 easy.... I am allergic to sugar/carbs... and I still eat them and my body retains an ungodly amount of water from it. But stupid me, does not stop me from doing it! UGH! AND TOM too... double whammy!

Once the water bloat is gone, it takes me weeks at least to lose that too!!! I am a slow loser once the bloat is gone!!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Good morning. Calling this R3VLCD1. This is my last and final round and I'm ready to roll. I didn't weight and probably won't for a few days. I know I'm fat and don't need the scale to show me that. Hoping my fat jeans get loser as the week progresses

Hope everyone has a great morning full of good losses.

Bring it! Here's to fat jeans falling all the way to the ground!

Originally Posted by paulabob

Wow, feeling positive energy on the thread today!

Trish - I agree with mini - potassium or magnesium. You can try broth too (full of minerals). And don't forget to get enough protein since you're nursing. You don't want your muscles to breakdown.

Down .8 today after my 1000 calorie "diet" day yesterday. Woo hoo, don't know what's in the water lately but I'm drinking it! Slipped into my levi 8s today, just a bit of muffin top!

Yahoooooo! Paula, it's a marvelous thing to see your progress lately! Perhaps (if done right) that leptin thing does do something to a persons' metabolism.

Originally Posted by star a.d.

two days of fat fasting = 3 lbs down! yeah! I did it again today, though it was a little high on the protein side (75% fat calories).

I don't know how much more non-p3 I can handle, hah. I was going to rogue p2 for the rest of this week, do a one-day fat fast on the weekend, then finish up next week. we'll see.

KUTGW!

Originally Posted by msgirl

Doing a quick drive by check in right now - will do personals later

Down .6 from yesterday's apple day - really 1.2 if you count that mysterious water gain of .6 from Sunday to Monday - totally weird.

Anyway, I had apples all day (6) felt kind of bloated - like WAY too much fiber. But, suprisingly I was not hungry and lasted with no problem.

Today, doing strict protocol (gonna do that for the next 4 days) then calling it a round. I am done.

I was wrong about my days - I am actually on day 30 today! Much longer than I ever imagined!!!

But, a little determination, a great supportive group - and several tight outfits goes a long way

I hope you all have a marvelously happy day - I plan to do the same and make the most of the last few days on P2!

I think "calling it a round" is the right move. Your body wants a rest and is holding onto what's left of your fat for dear life. I think you can lose more easily after a P3 break.

Marvelous happy day to you, too!

Originally Posted by belfrybat

Wow, this thread moves fast. There is no way I will be able to keep up with it, but do thank you for the warm welcome and the caution concerning broth and msg. I make my own, so know exactly what is in it.

I'm down 1.5 today -- all water weight but still nice to see the scale heading in the right direction. I did not eat all the allotted food yesterday. 4 cups of veggies is a LOT of veggies. But I did have the full allottment of protein, and am wondering what I can do to boost that a bit. In past rounds I've eaten a LC yogurt or 1/2 cup kefir. Since I stalled so badly the last round, not sure I want to add those. I don't know for sure that is what caused my stall, but not sure I want to risk it.

Do any of you add protein and in what form when on P2?

Nice drop! Weight is weight. If it registers on the scale, it counts! No suggestions regarding how much protein to add in etc. I think you can just eat more of what you've been eating. I'm going to try eating those low fat eggs in a carton. I'm going to get sick of meat before long (I mean to the point of preferring not to eat) so I bought some of those "eggs" to cook up with some salsa.

Originally Posted by Gremom

Paula, msgirl, belfrybat, star - yay for losses this morning! KUTGW!!

belfry, I can't answer your q about protein, but i know you will get one from someone here!

Jackie, hope this round goes well for you and i will pray for baby dust for you!

Was down 1 today! Yippee! That means I am only up .5 from my siggy weight, so hoping to be back there tomorrow! Am off to do a multitude of housework before my insanity workout for today. I am so sore from yesterday, but that means it's working!

Have a great Tuesday everyone!

Like Mini said before, you build muscle when you rest. So please don't do more than your body can handle. WTG on the 1 lb drop!

Originally Posted by catjrow3

Paula, great job. You are moving right along right. You still doing the leptin reset??

I was down 6.8 this morning after my "mostly" fast day yesterday. I ended up eating a small salad of lettuce, tomato, wishbone 10 calorie spray and a few cranberries, and 2 SF jello cups, like 90 calories total... Needless, It was a water swoosh... (just like Cheryl... ) but I need 4 or 5 more of those please!!! I will attempt another fast day today, or as close as I can and then get back into the groove of some eating pattern on Wednesday. TOM bloat has not helped either... makes for one round Cathy...

Sounds like most are doing well this morning, good job ladies. I am going to save a FF for when I hit a stall, to hopefully revive and get me moving again...

Love those initial water weight floods! Like I said before, weight is weight and it's wonderful to watch it go. Bye-bye, bloat! Hit the road, Jack!

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

Mini and Paula- thanks for your input! I'll try some broth today and see if it helps. I've been noticing it primarily in the evenings the last couple of days.

I'm still on the fence regarding what to do. As of today I'm back at my weight from last week. Two fat fast days did the trick. I am feeling like I need more food. Thinking about stopping the hhcg and trying to keep up with a ketogenic diet (very low carbs, high fat, moderate protein). But... I don't know. I just have to get some of this weight off. This round has pretty much been a flop. I've only taken 7 pounds off.

Sorry you're sore, Trisha. I would assume that you moved in a strange way (even in your sleep) and tweaked a muscle. But it could be a need for supplementation too. I guess it wouldn't hurt to take some of those and see if it helps. I recommend a muscle rub like Aspercreme. Works great for me.

Whatever you decide to do next (diet wise), I wish you all the best. But you can't leave our little thread! You must stay.

Originally Posted by lunagirl704

I have a lot of catching up to do!

I was up .6 today, to 108 and I am feeling very discouraged. I'm taking these rx pellets, starving on 500-600 calories/day and nothing. WTH? It's got to be me, as hhcg pellets and rx pellets can't both be off. I'm so sick of dieting and seeing nothing for my efforts. I'm stuck at this weight whether I eat pasta and cookies or grilled chicken and salad. I can sacrifice and follow through with the protocol if I am seeing some results. I am waiting for a woosh and it's not coming. vlcd9 and drinking so much water I am running to the bathroom at work every 1/2 hour! I don't want to give up yet...sorry for such a downer of a post .

Mini-sounds like we are in the same place.

I hope you all have good losses today!

Luna, I'm so sorry. If you are still up for a little more experimentation, can I suggest a few things? I think you might be drinking too much water. Are you forcing fluids or just thirsty? I would cut back on the water today and tomorrow and see how that goes. If you're still stuck, do an apple day. (Maybe do one of those tomorrow.)

What other diet plans have worked for you in the past? Maybe the last 10 lbs just have to come off by eating moderately and exercising. I really don't know because I can't recall the last time I was in your shoes!

Maybe you need to try the Leptin Reset like Paula did. Look at her go! She's losing much better (MUCH better) than she has been for many moons.

And the same goes for you. No matter which plan you decide to follow, I hope you stick around with us.

[CherylB]

Now, as for me, I lost another 2.2 after VLCD2! I love the first week and I wish each week that followed would be at least half as good. I wonder if I will do as well this round as I'm hoping to. I know my expectations are high, but we need to set the bar high if we want to reach it. We may not get there, but at least we know we were open to the idea!

Barn day for me today. I haven't been there for a full week so I hope I have a good day. I can't take another bad experience. Not two in a row, that is. I need them to let me just do what I've been taught to do and go through my "shift" without too much interaction with people. On the bright side, (literally) it is very sunny and appears to be not too cold. As long as the wind is down, it will be a pleasant afternoon.

Peace and lots of success to us all today!

[catjrow3]

Great job Cheryl, nice drop!! I would be happy with another 2 lbs at least tomorrow... that would make a great start to the week. I hear you about expectations too. I want really high ones, but am scared I will not even make a week, so my expectations are to make a week with no cheats... then I will go from there!! Enjoy your sunny day with the horses!!!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by lunagirl704

I was up .6 today, to 108 and I am feeling very discouraged. I'm taking these rx pellets, starving on 500-600 calories/day and nothing. WTH? It's got to be me, as hhcg pellets and rx pellets can't both be off. I'm so sick of dieting and seeing nothing for my efforts. I'm stuck at this weight whether I eat pasta and cookies or grilled chicken and salad.

You really deserve a WHOOSH! From what you've said, you've been stuck in a slow losing pattern for a long time. Maybe it's time to try leptin reset or an extended maintenance period? Time to look at your thyroid?

I don't know, but I'm sorry it's not working.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

This round has pretty much been a flop. I've only taken 7 pounds off.

That was my last round's results back in the summer...I was pretty disappointed! But you've got special challenges right now (the babies)...you've gone in the right direction!

Originally Posted by catjrow3

Paula, great job. You are moving right along right. You still doing the leptin reset??

No, just lowered calories M/T/R/F, and regular P3 the rest of the time. Once it slows to one pound or less a week, I'm moving back to leptin reset for a couple weeks. I do not miss the big breakfasts!