injection peeps

[heatherwagnon]

I'm doing injections this time around. i mixed it today start loading tomorrow. the instructions i read said 10 ml of the water (or whatever you call it) with the hcg. for 150 iu or 166 iu says to inject .30/.33 for 30 days. i have 1 ml needles...mixed hcg looks like not enough for 30 days? is that right. in that needle .30 looks like it's going to run out well before 30 days

[C'Marie]

Is your concentrate a 5k vial or a 10k vial?

[heatherwagnon]

5000 and the way they explained it was 10 ml of water in the 30 ml vial with the hcg and it just looks like such a small amount for me to be able to take
.30 (150) for 33 days or .33 (166) for 30 (below if is from the website)
Maybe i think it's so little of an amount because sub is twice a day vs once a day with injections?

5000 IU
150 IU
10 ml
Injection dosage is 30 units (.30cc) yields 33 injections when mixing one 5000IU with 10 ml of solvent

5000 IU
166 IU
10 ml
Injection dosage is 33 units (.33cc) yields 30 injections when mixing one 5000IU with 10 ml of solvent

[C'Marie]

Just stricly by IU's, if you divide 5000 by 150 you will end up with (theoretically) 33 shots. Whatever liquid you have, that sounds right or at least close enough to me. I do 11 ml bacteriastat water because my hcg was dried not liquid already.

[heatherwagnon]

yep mine too (ovidac) but they said add 9 water to the bottle and reconstitute the hcg with 1 ml...sounds like i'm right i guess lol Im probably just seeing it as way less since i'm used to twice a day vs the one...are your syringes 1ml size?

[C'Marie]

yes, and my dosage is 3/10 of the syringe for 150 iu

[heatherwagnon]

thanks so much for the help! I was thinking I'm so dumb cause i'm looking at the syringe thinking do i fill this up to the 3?!

[C'Marie]

no problem. If you have a 1ML syringe you'll have either 10/20/30/etc all the way to 100 on it, or you'll have .1 .2 .3 etc all the way to 1.0. Same measurement either way. I get thrown off if they give me a .5ML syringe! I know what you mean. I'm an accountant/tax consultant not a medical person so this kind of math is not my strong point LOL.

[heatherwagnon]

Lol I hear you

[Arctic_Mama]

Where are you getting your dosage information? Is that a previously experimented upon amount for you? Because if it isn't, I'd suggest you're starting with too much hCG and might benefit from reducing your concentration down to the 125 iU amount first.

Just an aside!

[heatherwagnon]

Oh it came from another site id figure id start with the dose where I did sublingual last time (.33) you think I should start lowest dose?

[Arctic_Mama]

Absolutely! Start at 125 iU, once daily. Using extra hCG generally increases hunger, not decreases it. It might also make your detox in starting more severe.

For sublingual, you dose with 125 iU TWICE a day, as it doesn't absorb as well and that is what it takes to get the equivalent absorbed hCG dose as the normal injection. Higher hCG amounts are not advised unless your body specifically requires it, which most do not. When we see people struggling with hunger throughout the protocol on the mailing list, there are a shocking number whose doctors have told them to take (or compounded for them) higher doses of hCG than the protocol requires.

More is not necessarily better!

[C'Marie]

Oh yes, you should go a little lower. Especially if you are comparing a sub-lingual dosing table. Method of delivery makes a big difference.

[heatherwagnon]

thanks you two! first injection was this morning!

[Sleepy]

so i fill my own needles
where does the 150 iu fall on the needle
the full needles i was getting from the dr were filled to the number 4

[heatherwagnon]

what size needle?

[Sleepy]

1/2 "

[C'Marie]

I'm unable to answer that because I don't know what strength of the hcg you have is. If it's a 5k vial or a 10k vial then that is different measurements.
Example:
I can get an Rx for either the 5k or the 10k (depends how much I want mixed at one time)
If I use 11 ml bacteriostat water for both, according to my directions, then for 200iu I am 4/10 of a 1m. syringe for the 5k and 2/10 of a 1m. syringe for the 10k. Since you don't say which strength of the unmixed hcg is and the amount of liquid you're adding, I can't try to help.
(btw, I always get the 1 ml syringes because I hate that conversion to 1/2 - I know it's not supposed to be a big deal, but I like dealing with the same thing that I am used to)

[metqa]

coming late to the discussion but Artic Mama is totally correct. you won't get 40 doses unless you dose 125 IU.

the needle size is important in determining where to pull your dose and how much you dilute the HCG with Bacwater.

My numbers are these
5000 IU vial of HCG
Add 8ml of Back water = 40 doses of 125iu
I need to draw up 0.2ml or 0.2cc of liquid to get my 125 dose.

my needles have very small barrels, and only hold .3cc. It is marked 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, and that means 0.5cc, .10cc, .15cc, 0.20cc, and that is where I pull the liquid to get .2cc of liquid for my 125 IU dose.

Here is a chart that might help

5000 IU Vial/Ampule
Daily Dose---Amount of Bacwater----Volume to inject
125IU---------8.00ML------------------0.2cc
---------------12.00ML-----------------0.3cc
---------------16.00ML-----------------0.4cc
---------------20.00ML-----------------0.5cc

150IU---------6.66ML------------------0.2cc
---------------10.00ML-----------------0.3cc
---------------13.33ML-----------------0.4cc
---------------16.66ML-----------------0.5cc
My needles are .3cc barrels, very small insulin syringes

The point here is that the syringes are standardized, you just need to read the whole number as if it were after the decimal point. if you add the minimum amount of diluent, you can draw a smaller dose. If you have very large barrel needles and it would be difficult to draw a small amount, you can add more diluent and draw a larger amount for the dose while keeping the same IU dose.

[Sleepy]

i use 1/2" needles, 5K vial, and add 10 of the bac water

[metqa]

what is the size of the barrel of the syringe. How many CC or mL does the barrel hold?
and what is the numbering on the barrel of the syringe?

they have 3 measurements for syringes:gauge(how thin the needle is), needle length( how long the needle is), and barrel volume( how much the syringe holds). We need to know how much the syringe holds. It should be written either in CC or mL.

ETA: for a 5K vial, if you added 10mL of bacwater, you would need to draw up 0.30cc of liquid for a dose of 150IU. If your syringe is labeled in units of five and/or ten you would just draw to the 30 mark.

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by metqa

what is the size of the barrel of the syringe. How many CC or mL does the barrel hold?
and what is the numbering on the barrel of the syringe?

.

29 gauge
1/2"
1 cc

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

29 gauge
1/2"
1 cc

Originally Posted by Sleepy

i use 1/2" needles, 5K vial, and add 10 of the bac water

So, you've got one of the bigger barrels, it might be marked with 10, 20, 30 or .1,.2, .3 but it's essentially the same thing, the number of milliliters. So if you wanted to get a dose of 150IU from a 5K vial by adding 10mL of Bacwater, you would draw up to the 30 mark (.3cc) on your syringe. It won't look like much but it will be the right amount.

I used to use 1cc needles for a while. I prefer the .3cc ( for 30 units or less) as, I think,they are easier to read than 1cc. and since I'm only pulling 20 units(5K vial, 125iu dose, add 8ML Bacwater, so I pull to .2cc), I got the smaller syringes for the smaller amount.

HTH!

BTW, Why are you using 150IU instead of 125? Dr. Recommendation?

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Absolutely! Start at 125 iU, once daily. Using extra hCG generally increases hunger, not decreases it. It might also make your detox in starting more severe.

For sublingual, you dose with 125 iU TWICE a day, as it doesn't absorb as well and that is what it takes to get the equivalent absorbed hCG dose as the normal injection. Higher hCG amounts are not advised unless your body specifically requires it, which most do not. When we see people struggling with hunger throughout the protocol on the mailing list, there are a shocking number whose doctors have told them to take (or compounded for them) higher doses of hCG than the protocol requires.

More is not necessarily better!

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by metqa

So, you've got one of the bigger barrels, it might be marked with 10, 20, 30 or .1,.2, .3 but it's essentially the same thing, the number of milliliters. So if you wanted to get a dose of 150IU from a 5K vial by adding 10mL of Bacwater, you would draw up to the 30 mark (.3cc) on your syringe. It won't look like much but it will be the right amount.

I used to use 1cc needles for a while. I prefer the .3cc ( for 30 units or less) as, I think,they are easier to read than 1cc. and since I'm only pulling 20 units(5K vial, 125iu dose, add 8ML Bacwater, so I pull to .2cc), I got the smaller syringes for the smaller amount.

HTH!

BTW, Why are you using 150IU instead of 125? Dr. Recommendation?

thanks for your help

yep dr recommendation, started at 200iu, got them prefilled which was nice

since i am on my own now and much smaller im gonna go down to 125iu this next round so i go to the 2 or 2.5?

[metqa]

2.5 or .25cc if you've already mixed it. but if you haven't mixed it yet and want to make it simpler, just add only 8mL and simply draw to 20 or .2cc no need to count halvesies and less less to inject for the same dose, so less discomfort.

congrats on being smaller and filling your own!

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by metqa

2.5 or .25cc if you've already mixed it. but if you haven't mixed it yet and want to make it simpler, just add only 8mL and simply draw to 20 or .2cc no need to count halvesies and less less to inject for the same dose, so less discomfort.

congrats on being smaller and filling your own!

thanks

[Felina]

I have a question. My syringe has a very tiny needle. Most times I don't even feel the injection.
In Pounds & Inches I read that Dr. Simeon used needles that are two inches long and that he wants the HCG to enter the muscle. No way can I get a muscular injection with the little needles that came with my kit.
What do you guys do? If we all have the tiny needles how can we be following the protocol correctly?

[C'Marie]

I went to the drugstore and purchase slightly bigger needles and pull the skin apart to get closer to the muscle on the top of my hip. I used HUGE needles on my first 3 rounds, bruised with every stinking shot. My doc went with the diabetic needles after that and I did 2 rounds with that but this time I bought slightly bigger ones myself.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Felina

I have a question. My syringe has a very tiny needle. Most times I don't even feel the injection.
In Pounds & Inches I read that Dr. Simeon used needles that are two inches long and that he wants the HCG to enter the muscle. No way can I get a muscular injection with the little needles that came with my kit.
What do you guys do? If we all have the tiny needles how can we be following the protocol correctly?

You don't need it to enter the muscle, subcutaneous is fine, the difference is that it just takes a bit more time for the hormone to move out of the muscle than from the fat tissue, but it still is absorbed by the body. It is also less painful and less traumatic for the body. Recall that there are blood vessels within fat tissue as well that just as efficiently carry the hormone throughout the body.