**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

[Nicole T]

I thought since there are so many of us trying the Fat Fast this week, I'd start a thread for us.
Here is the explanation for the Fat Fast (thanks Cheryl!) and YES, you still take your hcg while doing this I hope some of the people who have been successful with this will chime in here and share their experience. I have to say that I wouldn't be doing this if I weren't feeling DONE with P2 and so darn close to goal! Starting my fat fast today so I'll post my menu in a little while. If I'm correct, most people on hcg who do this only follow the first step (in bold below). Not sure how following the second or third would affect us HCG'ers.

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Atkins Article : The Fat Fast
Counterintuitive as it may sound, if you can't budge the scale on Induction, a few days on this regimen may well allow you to break through metabolic resistance.

Certain individuals are so metabolically resistant that only more intense dietary restrictions prove successful. Once medications, thyroid problems and candida are brought under control, almost all overweight people who diligently adhere to the Atkins Nutritional Approach™ will lose and keep off weight. But for the small group of people for whom it does not work, more extreme measures are necessary.

To help these metabolically resistant people, Dr. Atkins has modified what he calls "the most effective weight-loss eating pattern ever described." British researchers Alan Kekwick and Gaston Pawan developed it, and Frederick Benoit and his team confirmed its superiority in burning off fat, compared to an absolute total fast. This extreme diet consists of 1,000 calories daily, comprised of 90 percent fat. No other weight-loss regimen has matched its ability to burn off stored fat. Dr. Atkins modified the Kekwick diet to make it as enjoyable as possible and dubbed it the "Fat Fast." He tried it on scores of patients and found it often worked for those who were unable to lose weight in any other safe, drug-free way.

The Kekwick diet forces the body into lipolysis so it burns its stores of fat. Lipolysis cannot take place if there is a significant source of glucose. Since all carbohydrates and some protein convert to energy by way of glucose, eliminating almost everything but fat from the diet forces even the most resistant body into lipolysis. That explains the 90 percent dietary-fat component. Lowering the caloric intake accelerates the need to burn up body fat—thus the 1,000-calorie limit.

The Fat Fast is one controlled carb program where you do have to count calories. You'll eat 1,000 calories a day, with 75 percent to 90 percent comprised of fat. Frequent feedings prevent hunger better than three meals a day, so you consume five feedings, perhaps one every four hours, comprising 200 calories each. Because of the high fat content and frequent feedings, very few people experience much hunger. The stumbling block for some people is the absence of conventional meals. But most are willing to stick with it for a few days, even if the food selections are unfulfilling.

Caution: The Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant. For people who lose weight fairly easily, the rate of weight loss is too rapid to be safe. But it carries very little risk for people who can barely lose on any other regimen.

Step One: Eat Mostly Fat Begin with five 200-calorie feedings per day and follow for four or five days. Each item equals approximately 200 calories:

one ounce of macadamia nuts or macadamia nut butter, two ounces of cream cheese or Brie, one ounce of tuna or chicken salad with two teaspoons of mayonnaise served in one-quarter of an avocado, two deviled eggs made with two teaspoons of mayonnaise, two ounces of sour cream and two tablespoons black or red caviar, two and a half ounces whipped heavy cream topped with sucralose zero-calorie syrup, two ounces of pâté (check label for fat content), two egg yolks (hard-boiled) with one tablespoon of mayonnaise

Step Two: Modify the Fat Fast If increasing the fat-to-carbohydrate ratio and cutting calories work, any dietary change in that direction might get the job done. Next, you can try four meals a day of roughly 300 calories for a total of 1,200 calories. That should work, too, and what it allows is definitely more appealing to the taste buds:

two ounces of beef chuck (do not drain fat) cooked in two tablespoons of olive oil two scrambled eggs with two strips of nitrate-free bacon two tablespoons of full-fat sour cream with a tablespoon of sugar-free syrup one-quarter cup chicken or tuna salad made with two tablespoons of mayonnaise three ounces of pâté (check label for fat content) one-and-a-half ounces of macadamia nuts

Step Three: Return to Induction Try the 1,200-calorie regimen for a week, then go back to Induction. Or simply follow the concept of increasing the ratio of fat to protein. No one should have to feel that losing weight is hopeless. Sometimes the key to achieving your goal weight permanently is quite difficult to adhere to, but rarely is it simply impossible.

[agentventi]

I am thinking about doing this tomorrow. I think tomorrow will also be my last pellet day. I am SO SO ready for P3.

I will be on the road most of the day showing houses so i hope that keeps my mind occupied.

This is what I have planned.
Breakfast-- 2 eggs scrambled in Coconut oil
coffee with heavy whipping cream

Snacks in the car-Mac nuts

Dinner: Fage probably 2% with some HWC unless I drive by a whole foods where I can run in and grab a FF. I plan to do like Mini and dump the melted cococrack over top. Yummy!!

This comes in at about 1000 calories. 44 grams of protein and 87 fats, I thought it would be higher??

[RileyWorm]

YAY! haha! Starting now - eggs with butter.

[Nicole T]

So far today I've had 2T heavy cream in my coffee, 2 slices of bacon (OMG how I've missed thee!) and 1 oz of macadamia nuts (eating those now at 12:30 pm). That adds up to about 430 calories. That leaves me with 570 calories left for the day. Think I'll plan for some yogurt, coconut oil and 2 chicken thighs for the rest of the day

[RileyWorm]

Nicole, What is your count for chicken thighs? I use ****** but it wanted oz or something. I am being simple today and just eating eggs with butter, probably some eggs with mayo later (or maybe bacon if the BF wants some). I'm going to make something like cream cheese clouds too. I really wish I had some nuts .I am only doing 2 days right now (if today turns out well) and then regular P2 for a couple days because I have lots of food in the fridge to be eaten.

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Nicole, What is your count for chicken thighs? I use ****** but it wanted oz or something. I am being simple today and just eating eggs with butter, probably some eggs with mayo later (or maybe bacon if the BF wants some). I'm going to make something like cream cheese clouds too. I really wish I had some nuts .I am only doing 2 days right now (if today turns out well) and then regular P2 for a couple days because I have lots of food in the fridge to be eaten.

Myplate says 153 calories for a chicken thigh with skin.

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Myplate says 153 calories for a chicken thigh with skin.

Myplate - will have to try that one. Thanks!

[Cruzcrzy]

I am going to be watching this thread very carefully. I've done 2 rounds, and am at goal maintaing with JUDDD. However, my dh just started on hcg last Monday. You KNOW how men can get away with alot more. Best wishes to you ALL. I spend too much time on this board, and know there are many protocol people, but, my observation is that people DO lose doing other plans too.

[Nicole T]

So the more I think about it, the more I think I'll just do a few days of the fat fast (assuming the scale likes it tomorrow morning) and then transition right from the fat fast days into P3. I'll still do my 2 days without pellets but will do fat fast on those days (do you think that will work or do you think I need to eat VLC for those 2 days????).

It seems like going from the fat fast into P3 would be good because it will help introduce the fatty foods slowly instead of jumping right into 2,000 calories of fatty foods on day one of P3. Thoughts on this???

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

So the more I think about it, the more I think I'll just do a few days of the fat fast (assuming the scale likes it tomorrow morning) and then transition right from the fat fast days into P3. I'll still do my 2 days without pellets but will do fat fast on those days (do you think that will work or do you think I need to eat VLC for those 2 days????).

It seems like going from the fat fast into P3 would be good because it will help introduce the fatty foods slowly instead of jumping right into 2,000 calories of fatty foods on day one of P3. Thoughts on this???

Nicole, I don't see why it wouldn't. People do fat fasts without HCG so my guess it will work for you to do 2 days without pellets. And I agree about the transition - last two rounds I couldn't eat a thing the first day of P3 except for a few scrambled eggs and some nuts because I got so full and queasy so quickly!! And my whole round I was dying for food and could have scarfed that stuff down in a heartbeat!

[Cruzcrzy]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

So the more I think about it, the more I think I'll just do a few days of the fat fast (assuming the scale likes it tomorrow morning) and then transition right from the fat fast days into P3. I'll still do my 2 days without pellets but will do fat fast on those days (do you think that will work or do you think I need to eat VLC for those 2 days????).

It seems like going from the fat fast into P3 would be good because it will help introduce the fatty foods slowly instead of jumping right into 2,000 calories of fatty foods on day one of P3. Thoughts on this???

Sounds like a wonderful transition!

[minimonkey]

That is definitely how I plan to transition to p3 when I get there!

[minimonkey]

I'm doing a more balanced day today, but still quite high fat -- probably only the one meal, that I am eating now... 3 eggs scrambled with HWC, topped with a small avocado, some yogurt chive dip, and 1 medium tomato and some mushrooms. Topped with hot sauce.

That comes out somewhere in the 1000 calorie range, and it is a ginormous bowl of food - and seriously yummy too!! Carbs are a little high from the veggies, but I am not stressing that one.

After yesterday's workout and mini-refeed, I am only up .6 lbs... honestly, given that I am pretty much sore head to toe, I would have expected that gain from the workout alone (water retention in the muscles) -- so I am pleased with that.

I figured I could definitely use the protein today, to help workout recovery -- hence the eggs. I suspect I will do a few days of this sort of eating and see how it treats me.

Good luck all you fat-fast experimenters... hope this is just the thing you are looking for to speed your losses!

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I'm doing a more balanced day today, but still quite high fat -- probably only the one meal, that I am eating now... 3 eggs scrambled with HWC, topped with a small avocado, some yogurt chive dip, and 1 medium tomato and some mushrooms. Topped with hot sauce.

That comes out somewhere in the 1000 calorie range, and it is a ginormous bowl of food - and seriously yummy too!! Carbs are a little high from the veggies, but I am not stressing that one.

After yesterday's workout and mini-refeed, I am only up .6 lbs... honestly, given that I am pretty much sore head to toe, I would have expected that gain from the workout alone (water retention in the muscles) -- so I am pleased with that.

I figured I could definitely use the protein today, to help workout recovery -- hence the eggs. I suspect I will do a few days of this sort of eating and see how it treats me.

Good luck all you fat-fast experimenters... hope this is just the thing you are looking for to speed your losses!

I avocado! Suitable for fat fast? I used myplate, it sounds like half a medium avocado is roughly 150 cals, and 15 grams of fat, carbs about 9-10, but there are lot of various entries for avocado... No info on calories from fat...is there a quick way to figure that out? I would love some in an egg or chicken salad with mayo!

[Nicole T]

OMG--I just devoured that chicken thigh like it was the last thing I was ever going to eat! LOL

I can tell you that just from eating fat again today, my mood is incredible and I feel an overall sense of happiness! I know my body and I could tell it was screaming for FAT!!!

[minimonkey]

Cruz... people definitely do lose on rogue plans... many of us have done it! It works better than protocol for some people, and for others, protocol is the way to go... it just depends on the person and probably a million other factors.

Erin -- I believe avocados have about 90% of the calories from fat. A gram of fat has 9 calories... so that would be about right for the info you have entered.

I have used them on fat fast days before, with no problems.... they are a little carby, so be sure to keep other carb sources low -- I love them too!!!

I can get away with doing 1000 calories, and only about 80% of them from fat, and still see a good aggregate loss... though the really spectacular drops do tend to come from the days when calories are almost 100% from fat.

This is one of those rogue, try it and see deals....

[minimonkey]

Nicole -- OMG, do I ever know what you mean! I become a very unpleasant crazy woman if I am fat deprived for too long... and I also become very obsessed with food, calories, etc. etc., which is not typical for me at all. I do typically pay good attention to what I eat, weigh, etc. -- but when fat deprived, I get truly obsessive -- the food thoughts interfere with the rest of my life, which is horrid.

I really hope this plan works for you -- I know I could never have stayed on low calories this long without fat, at least while retaining my sanity in the process.

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

OMG--I just devoured that chicken thigh like it was the last thing I was ever going to eat! LOL

I can tell you that just from eating fat again today, my mood is incredible and I feel an overall sense of happiness! I know my body and I could tell it was screaming for FAT!!!

That is how I felt when I ate my rotisserie chicken on Friday! SOOO satisfying! Gonna have to get some chicken thighs, and avocadoes, the next time.

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cruz... people definitely do lose on rogue plans... many of us have done it! It works better than protocol for some people, and for others, protocol is the way to go... it just depends on the person and probably a million other factors.

Erin -- I believe avocados have about 90% of the calories from fat. A gram of fat has 9 calories... so that would be about right for the info you have entered.

I have used them on fat fast days before, with no problems.... they are a little carby, so be sure to keep other carb sources low -- I love them too!!!

I can get away with doing 1000 calories, and only about 80% of them from fat, and still see a good aggregate loss... though the really spectacular drops do tend to come from the days when calories are almost 100% from fat.

This is one of those rogue, try it and see deals....

Definitely going to try the avocado. I'm all about experimenting this round! Good thing I bought extra hcg!

[minimonkey]

Yeah, there is definitely a certain peace of mind having an hcg backstock! I want more of that myself, just for the future -- and I do plan to buy some more when I have funds if it is still available.

[RileyWorm]

Making chocolate cream cheese muffins for my fat fast. I figured they come to about 115 calories a piece, almost all from fat (110 maybe?) So I'm having two for a snack later.

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Making chocolate cream cheese muffins for my fat fast. I figured they come to about 115 calories a piece, almost all from fat (110 maybe?) So I'm having two for a snack later.

Recipe pretty please!!

[RileyWorm]

I found these on another forum by a user named cd_moree. Not sure of the origination...if anyone knows feel free to add.

1 8oz pkg of cream cheese softened
1 egg
2 tbsp of cocoa powder
5 packets of Splenda
1 tsp vanilla (but I forgot it!)


*Mix all the ingredients together thoroughly.
*I sprayed 8 silicone muffin liners with cooking spray - I eyeballed when filling into 8 equal portions - so a smidge over 1 oz a piece.
Bake at 350 deg. for 15 minutes.



*The original recipe calls for 5 muffins and 20 mins baking time but I adjusted for smaller muffin size- AND my oven is wonky so yours may take a little more/less time.

They just came out and they smell divine! The batter tasted pretty good too. I have always wanted to try these and this fat fast is perfect for them, I think!

ETA: They fell a little flat after taking them out of the oven, but still tasted pretty good! Couldn't wait til they cooled but think they will taste really good cold!

So, with the addition of the egg I figured about 115 cals apiece. If my math is wrong please tell me.

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

I found these on another forum by a user named cd_moree. Not sure of the origination...if anyone knows feel free to add.

1 8oz pkg of cream cheese softened
1 egg
2 tbsp of cocoa powder
5 packets of Splenda
1 tsp vanilla (but I forgot it!)


*Mix all the ingredients together thoroughly.
*I sprayed 8 silicone muffin liners with cooking spray - I eyeballed when filling into 8 equal portions - so a smidge over 1 oz a piece.
Bake at 350 deg. for 15 minutes.



*The original recipe calls for 5 muffins and 20 mins baking time but I adjusted for smaller muffin size- AND my oven is wonky so yours may take a little more/less time.

They just came out and they smell divine! The batter tasted pretty good too. I have always wanted to try these and this fat fast is perfect for them, I think!

So, with the addition of the egg I figured about 115 cals apiece. If my math is wrong please tell me.

Thank you so much for taking the time to post that recipe!

[Nicole T]

So I know my stomach may hate me tonight for what I just ate (I have issues with larger amounts of dairy) BUT...I just had a cup of full fat Fage yogurt with a T of melted coconut oil drizzled in it which promptly made it turn hard like Magic Shell! I was seriously in HEAVEN while eating it. Sorry if I'm boring you guys with my tasty revelations...it's just that I've been fat-deprived for the past 20 days and things never tasted SO good to me!! Oddly enough, I don't remember feeling like this after my 63 day round nor do I remember going crazy over fat like I am now. I wonder if it's because I am closer to 160 now and that's my body's limit???

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

So I know my stomach may hate me tonight for what I just ate (I have issues with larger amounts of dairy) BUT...I just had a cup of full fat Fage yogurt with a T of melted coconut oil drizzled in it which promptly made it turn hard like Magic Shell! I was seriously in HEAVEN while eating it. Sorry if I'm boring you guys with my tasty revelations...it's just that I've been fat-deprived for the past 20 days and things never tasted SO good to me!! Oddly enough, I don't remember feeling like this after my 63 day round nor do I remember going crazy over fat like I am now. I wonder if it's because I am closer to 160 now and that's my body's limit???

LIKE! Keep the tasty revelations coming! I agree, this round has been rough. I think its because I learned how to eat the right way in P3 and P4 and am dreaming about all those yummy foods. And I know how much better I feel when eating more fat.

[agentventi]

I am SO excited to see the weight dropping off of everyone tomorrow.

I am prepped for my fat fast to start in the morning just wishes I would have remembered to buy cream cheese, those muffins sound yummy!

[BaileysGirl]

Got that recipe Erin! Thanks!

I'm interested to see how this works for you guys. I've never heard of it. Too bad I'm on day 1 of no drops! God forbid I don't lose well in R3! R2 was a bit slower on the loss, totally different than R1. I guess you could also try this when you're very near goal and that last 10 pounds won't come off? Good luck Girls!

[SunnyFL]

Subscribing!
I am curious about this too! Keep your daily menu posted please!

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by agentventi

I am SO excited to see the weight dropping off of everyone tomorrow.

I am prepped for my fat fast to start in the morning just wishes I would have remembered to buy cream cheese, those muffins sound yummy!

Fingers crossed! If not, it sure was a tasty experiment! Doing two days no matter what though, would hate for my muffins to go to waste .