**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

[minimonkey]

Nicole -- I bet you will stabilize much better this time around -- the leptin reset probably did you a world of good!

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Garnet -- the things you are describing are precisely why I did go rogue ... the long stalls, and the horrid dragged-out fatigue. Awful way to feel, especially when stalled for weeks at a time.... my body hates low fat, and hhcg or no, tends to have bad bounce-back gains when I go off it.

For me, this is worth it, even if I do have to work harder to stabilize.

Mini, it's really tempting--the long stall was really discouraging. I'm going to follow this thread closely because I am really tired today (and I'm taking potassium and B complex) and I'm only at Day #17 of this round.

And I love fat. Although I enjoy really good bread once in a while, or pasta, I mostly miss my full fat Fage yogurt and heavy cream in my coffee. And I love mac nuts and tuna salad and avocados. If I could lose weight doing that I'd stop the VLCD today.

I'll see where I'm at tomorrow, and if I'm heading for another stall I'm going to give this fat fast a try.

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

DOWN 3 pounds! Under 140 since first time starting 2 weeks ago. Had to get on right away and share! Yesterday I had:
2 eggs with 2 tbsp of butter
2 eggs with 1tbsp butter and 1tbsp of mayo
2 cream cheese muffins
7 almonds

Same diet planned for today except subbing out 2tbsp of fat for more almonds.

Erin, I feel like I am being "thick" in the head, but are you taking hCG while you do the fat fast? And are you doing only one fat fast per week?

I'm just at such a loss for the first time in over a year of following this diet protocol, and I am willing to try something new to lose my "last 10" (or who knows how much is left). I'm just confused, but willing to try it.

[minimonkey]

Whatever you decide, Garnet, I wish you luck! You are so close to goal

[minimonkey]

Garnet -- yes, we are all taking the hhcg while doing this. I've done it many times, and had good success with it -- this whole thing is a big experiment.

[Trishagrrl]

Hey fat fast gals,

Thought I'd check in here. I've been doing the fat fast for the last several days.... well, I had 3 good fat fast days and got derailed yesterday. BUT, I'm back on the wagon today. After my first day I lost 4 pounds, then nothing after day 2, and then 2 more pounds after day three. Today after my oops, I'm up 1.5 pounds. Lotsa lemon water and tea for me today to hopefully flush out any water weight and a good fat fast day!

BTW- So excited that someone mentioned avocados! I totally need to add that to my fat fast menu... love em!

[msgirl]

Honestly - the fatigue I started feeling towards the last couple of days of my P2 has made me move in this direction - that and I figured what could it hurt here at the end????

I have been so tired of FREEZING when it's 70 outside - and I know that is because my calories have been too low for too long. Maybe perfect Protocol works for some - but I am thinking I am might be one of the exceptions. It was successful for the first 15 days - but then it stopped and got extremely fatigued. What's really weird is I felt so good the first two weeks and it was like I bottomed out during my 3rd week.

So, I will do fat fast today, VLCD tomorrow (social function again), fat fast Wed and Thurs. and see where I am at weight wise. I am not sure when I will start P3 but I am due to today technically. I still have a good bit of drops so I may go until I am just out - no sense wasting them!

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

Hey fat fast gals,

Thought I'd check in here. I've been doing the fat fast for the last several days.... well, I had 3 good fat fast days and got derailed yesterday. BUT, I'm back on the wagon today. After my first day I lost 4 pounds, then nothing after day 2, and then 2 more pounds after day three. Today after my oops, I'm up 1.5 pounds. Lotsa lemon water and tea for me today to hopefully flush out any water weight and a good fat fast day!

BTW- So excited that someone mentioned avocados! I totally need to add that to my fat fast menu... love em!

Trisha--can you pretty please post a typical fat fast day menu of yours? What is your fat % coming in at? Mine was at 84% yesterday so I'm going to try for higher today

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by msgirl

Honestly - the fatigue I started feeling towards the last couple of days of my P2 has made me move in this direction - that and I figured what could it hurt here at the end????

I have been so tired of FREEZING when it's 70 outside - and I know that is because my calories have been too low for too long. Maybe perfect Protocol works for some - but I am thinking I am might be one of the exceptions. It was successful for the first 15 days - but then it stopped and got extremely fatigued. What's really weird is I felt so good the first two weeks and it was like I bottomed out during my 3rd week.

So, I will do fat fast today, VLCD tomorrow (social function again), fat fast Wed and Thurs. and see where I am at weight wise. I am not sure when I will start P3 but I am due to today technically. I still have a good bit of drops so I may go until I am just out - no sense wasting them!

This is exactly what happened to me this round! Not only was I feeling lethargic and getting dizzy more but I wanted to basically kill everyone around me LOL I took that as a sign that I needed fat. Oh and the freezing thing...YES! I have been constantly wrapping myself up in our little throw heating blanket and then I'm STILL cold sometimes!

The interesting thing is that I didn't feel like this in my last round which was 63 days long. Maybe it's because I'm at goal now????

[Trishagrrl]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Trisha--can you pretty please post a typical fat fast day menu of yours? What is your fat % coming in at? Mine was at 84% yesterday so I'm going to try for higher today

Sure! I'll post a couple of my menus (thankfully they're recorded in ******). It's been pretty varied every day.
Jan 19th:
Deviled eggs made with:
1 whole egg
1 egg yolk
1 T mayo

Coco bark made with:
4 T coconut oil
sweetner and cocoa powder (I didn't put these in ******, so I dunno what they added)

3 oz boneless skinless chicken thigh (I didn't have any with skin on otherwise I would have eaten that)
1/2 cup diced rutabaga fried in 1 T. olive oil
1 oz mixed nuts
1/2 c. sliced cucumbers

Calories 1,190
Fat 115.3 (84%)
Carbohydrate 16.5 (5%)
Dietary Fiber 4.5
Protein 29.5 (10%)

[Trishagrrl]

Jan 20:
Deviled eggs made with:
1 whole egg
1 egg yolk
1 T mayo

I made a kind of fake ice cream concotion using:
2 oz cream cheese
3 T. peanut butter
2 oz heavy cream
I froze it and coated it in:
1 T. coconut oil with cocoa powder and sweetener

4 slices of bacon (alright... maybe a little more?)

Calories 1,207
Fat 113.6 (82%)
Carbohydrate 14.7 (5%)
Dietary Fiber 2.9
Protein 38.5 (13%)

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

Jan 20:
Deviled eggs made with:
1 whole egg
1 egg yolk
1 T mayo

I made a kind of fake ice cream concotion using:
2 oz cream cheese
3 T. peanut butter
2 oz heavy cream
I froze it and coated it in:
1 T. coconut oil with cocoa powder and sweetener

4 slices of bacon (alright... maybe a little more?)

Calories 1,207
Fat 113.6 (82%)
Carbohydrate 14.7 (5%)
Dietary Fiber 2.9
Protein 38.5 (13%)

Thanks! Always helps to see what others are eating

[Trishagrrl]

Jan 21:
.5 oz cheddar cheese
1/3 oz cream cheese
1/3 oz cream
1 T. peanut butter
4 T. coconut oil
.5 oz pecans
4 oz pork sausage

Calories 1,186
Fat 120.1 (88%)
Carbohydrate 7.2 (2%)
Dietary Fiber 2.3
Protein 27.4 (10%)

[Trishagrrl]

The 21st was fairly similar to the 20th... and the 22nd I screwed up! Today, I'm hoping to keep my fat% closer to 90% and maybe keep my calories a little lower - hope to correct my day yesterday.

The first 4 days I did the fat fast I gave myself a little more wiggle room with calories since I'm nursing two babies. Though, I'm not really sure I believe those people who say you burn more calories when nursing, because I seem to gain weight like crazy when I'm nursing unless I do some serious dieting!

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

The 21st was fairly similar to the 20th... and the 22nd I screwed up! Today, I'm hoping to keep my fat% closer to 90% and maybe keep my calories a little lower - hope to correct my day yesterday.

The first 4 days I did the fat fast I gave myself a little more wiggle room with calories since I'm nursing two babies. Though, I'm not really sure I believe those people who say you burn more calories when nursing, because I seem to gain weight like crazy when I'm nursing unless I do some serious dieting!

I always gained while nursing too! And that's probably why I'm here since I nursed my three boys for a combined total of 8 1/2 years! LOL

[Nicole T]

Crap--someone just booked a 90 minute massage with me for this evening...while I love the $, I haven't been doing massages due to the lotion making me stall on P2. I wonder what effect it will have if I'm doing the Fat Fast???

[catjrow3]

I am so interested in this, following your girls progress... keep posting your menus and your losses so I can see too!!

[BaileysGirl]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

DOWN 3 pounds! Under 140 since first time starting 2 weeks ago. Had to get on right away and share! Yesterday I had:
2 eggs with 2 tbsp of butter
2 eggs with 1tbsp butter and 1tbsp of mayo
2 cream cheese muffins
7 almonds

Same diet planned for today except subbing out 2tbsp of fat for more almonds.

Is you above menu supposed to add up to 1000 calories?

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by agentventi

WOW Rielyworm!! GREAT job. I hope I show a similar loss! What was your fat percentage? I can not get mine above 75% grrr.....it is the protein in the greek yogurt. I should go buy a block of cream cheese instead....I might have to do that.

I just had my 3 eggs and coconut oil, now having coffee with HWC
Hoping that holds me over until dinner when I will have a fage with coco crack and mac nuts sprinkled on top.

I think I may make some chocolate whipping cream to eat for snack too.

I really really hope this works and I can stabilize in P3, that is the part that worries me too. I was going to stop my pellets tomorrow but I think I will do a few days of P2 before stopping so if the fat fast weight is going to come back at least it won't be in P3. Maybe I will aim for P3 to start on Sunday.

I just NEED to stay away from the damn fruit. I need help! I have decided I am not buying anymore. My husband is never home to eat it and my daughter likes banana's, grapes and melons, non protocol items anyway. So I think I have 4 apples left and 2 pints of strawberries....I will have to make these last until Sunday....we shall see!

My % was around 83%....as high as I could get with what I had on hand!

Originally Posted by msgirl

I just wanted to add that today is my first day of fat fast - bought all my stuff Saturday night. However, Saturday night I added in 1 (SMALL) TB of almond butter and 1/2 cup of full fat cottage cheese - my calories were right at 800 and guess what........down to 147 yesterday!!!! That is a total loss of 2.8 lbs from Friday to Sunday!!!!!FINALLY the scale moved!!!

Today was 147.2 and I did not do fat fast yesterday plus had to eat lettuce twice and left out fruits because of a social occasion. I wish I didn't have those so often but it is the nature of our occupation!

Anyway, I am just so happy to see the scale moving! I am on VLCD 22 and I really didn't start tweaking with fat until VLCD20 - not feeling to bad about it since I stuck to protocol to a T!

Today my menu is:

Coffee/HWC
Lunch - 8 oz Fullfat Greek Yogurt, 1 tb of CO, 1 TB almond butter
Supper - same as lunch

I must add that after adding that small amount of fat in on Saturday my tummy went crazy - after not having any fat for 20 days.....

Did anyone else notice that?

Tomorrow will definitely be the true story for me. I want to at least get down to 140 and would love 138 to have wiggle room before transitioning to P3 but we will see!

So glad to have all of you!

YAY msgirl! I actually had the opposite stomach reaction, not sure why. My stomach has been grumbly, bloated, and in general unpleasant since I started 2 weeks ago. I felt the bloating completely subside and my digestion quieted down a bit, finally! I was going to start up probiotics again but this has seemed to help my tummy troubles, for now.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Riley! Whooooohooooo! So glad the scale liked the fat fast!!!!!!!!!!! (Hey, and that is at least ONE potential basher-with-a-scale that I don't have to face on my doorstep....lol!)

Good luck to everyone who is jumping on board with me here

Thanks for the advice and help, Mini! So glad I tried it!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Garnet -- the things you are describing are precisely why I did go rogue ... the long stalls, and the horrid dragged-out fatigue. Awful way to feel, especially when stalled for weeks at a time.... my body hates low fat, and hhcg or no, tends to have bad bounce-back gains when I go off it.

For me, this is worth it, even if I do have to work harder to stabilize.

Me too. Fatigue, and my brain felt like it wasn't working properly. Not good when working full time and attending grad school.

Originally Posted by garnet10

Erin, I feel like I am being "thick" in the head, but are you taking hCG while you do the fat fast? And are you doing only one fat fast per week?

I'm just at such a loss for the first time in over a year of following this diet protocol, and I am willing to try something new to lose my "last 10" (or who knows how much is left). I'm just confused, but willing to try it.

Yes, I'm taking hcg and on day 2 of the fat fast. I will probably rotate every 2-3 days as I have lots of protocol food to get rid of.

Originally Posted by BaileysGirl

Is you above menu supposed to add up to 1000 calories?

Did I make a mistake? This is how I calculated it.
4 eggs = 360 (I use 90 cals for eggs, I see so many varying amounts!)
4 tbsp of fats (butter, mayo) = 400
2 muffins = 230
7 almonds = guesstimated around 30

So 1020 for the day. A little over but ahhh well! Today I am subbing on tbsp of butter/mayo for another cheesecake muffin. And no almonds. So I will be right around 1000 again.

May do one more day, just depends on how I feel and what food I have prepared. I have stuff to make P2 chilli so will probably do that sometime this week and eat on that for a few days.

[shari]

Interesting, I'll be following this thread too. Do you have a rebound effect after coming off the fast? I've read where some gain weight after coming off. Sorry if this has already been answered, haven't had the time to go back and read. Thanks!

[BaileysGirl]

Okay it just seemed like so little food but they are big calorie foods! Got it! Isn't it crazy how 4 T of fats can add up to 400 calories!!!

[msgirl]

Just finished my first FF meal and here are the totals:

Calories at 595 (100 of those from morning coffee - so the yogurt concoction is 495)

Greek Yogurt FF - 280
Almond butter 1 tb - 95
Organic CO 1 tb - 120

Percentages:

79% fat
13% carbs
8% protein

Gotta add this: I LOVE ************ app for iphone! It does all this for me. If you have an iphone - it's free and so user friendly! If not I know ****** does the same thing.

[Nicole T]

So far my day has been:

3 slices bacon
1.5 T heavy cream in coffee
1 oz macadamia nuts
1 oz sharp cheddar cheese

That's 537 calories-- 82.4% from fat, 3.6% from carbs and 13.9% from protein

The rest of the day/night I am going to eat 1 chicken thigh with skin on and 1 cup of whipped heavy cream (with SF vanilla syrup) for a total of 1090 calories--84.6% from fat, 2.5% from carbs and 12.7% from protein.

Although I REALLY want my yummy full fat greek yogurt again, I don't want the carbs/protein that comes along with it. I'm wondering if that's why I didn't lose that much today. That's why I'm subbing whipped heavy cream for it this evening for "dessert"

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by msgirl

Just finished my first FF meal and here are the totals:

Calories at 595 (100 of those from morning coffee - so the yogurt concoction is 495)

Greek Yogurt FF - 280
Almond butter 1 tb - 95
Organic CO 1 tb - 120

Percentages:

79% fat
13% carbs
8% protein

Gotta add this: I LOVE ************ app for iphone! It does all this for me. If you have an iphone - it's free and so user friendly! If not I know ****** does the same thing.

Oh, this appeals to me so much! I am buying cream cheese, avocados and my darling heavy cream today. I've got eggs, tuna, mayo, almond butter and mac nuts at home, so I should be set for tomorrow.

I am SO VERY TIRED today, and the lack of true weight loss in over a week is really demoralizing.

I have no idea what I am doing! I keep wondering if I should just stop the hCG before the 21 day mark, wait two days and then start this, but I just don't know if I can keep eating so little calories with how I feel.

Then I wonder if tomorrow I should just skip the hCG? Well apparently, I'm just winging it at this point! We'll see how tomorrow goes.

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by garnet10

Oh, this appeals to me so much! I am buying cream cheese, avocados and my darling heavy cream today. I've got eggs, tuna, mayo, almond butter and mac nuts at home, so I should be set for tomorrow.

I am SO VERY TIRED today, and the lack of true weight loss in over a week is really demoralizing.

I have no idea what I am doing! I keep wondering if I should just stop the hCG before the 21 day mark, wait two days and then start this, but I just don't know if I can keep eating so little calories with how I feel.

Then I wonder if tomorrow I should just skip the hCG? Well apparently, I'm just winging it at this point! We'll see how tomorrow goes.

I was EXACTLY where you are on Sunday and was tempted to just chuck the HCG but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how much better you'll feel tomorrow when you start eating fat! I feel like I could do the fat fast with the hcg for at least 3-4 more days if I needed to.

[agentventi]

I am not sure if it is the eggs or the HWC but something gave me killer tummy cramps all morning I have been thinking for a while that I might have an issue with dairy. I am so so bloated too. I won't be surprised if I see a jump UP in the scale tomorrow since most of my fat fast day is dairy.

So far I have had 3 eggs in coconut oil, coffee with HWC and 2 tbsp peanut butter. I was going to do a bunch of cream cheese and more HWC tonight but maybe I should do chicken instead....I just don't feel like cooking. Do you think one of those pre-made chickens would be okay for the fat fast?

[garnet10]

I get the big "D" the first day of all my P3's. I do believe it is because we are now eating fat and the body takes a day or two to be able to handle it.

I'm starting this fat fast tomorrow, so I'm going to be prepared for runs to the bathroom! (I originally said "bathroom runs"! TMI?)

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

I was EXACTLY where you are on Sunday and was tempted to just chuck the HCG but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how much better you'll feel tomorrow when you start eating fat! I feel like I could do the fat fast with the hcg for at least 3-4 more days if I needed to.

Nicole, I'm so glad to hear that--I can't wait to feel better. I'm tired of being so tired and so cold.

And I'm so excited to eat fat tomorrow, I can't wait!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

DOWN 3 pounds! Under 140 since first time starting 2 weeks ago. Had to get on right away and share! Yesterday I had:
2 eggs with 2 tbsp of butter
2 eggs with 1tbsp butter and 1tbsp of mayo
2 cream cheese muffins
7 almonds

Same diet planned for today except subbing out 2tbsp of fat for more almonds.

Yippee!!! I hope to follow in your foot steps. Doing my first fat fast today.

Originally Posted by garnet10

Wow! Now I'm interested. I had a 7 day stall last week, at a weight I lived with for a very long time, and although I'm a pound less today (2 lbs down yesterday, up 1 lb today), I'm starting to feel very tired.

Just wanted to comment on your Avi. I saw Wicked last March in NYC. It was a treat from a niece and her friend and they paid for it for a bunch of us. We took the train into the city and it was my first time just walking the streets of New York. I was into it! The musical was very good, too. Can I ask why you use it for your Avi? Are you just a fan or are you involved with the production in some way?

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Crap--someone just booked a 90 minute massage with me for this evening...while I love the $, I haven't been doing massages due to the lotion making me stall on P2. I wonder what effect it will have if I'm doing the Fat Fast???

Oh no! I remember that being a problem for you in the past. I hope it turns out okay for you.

I'm on FF day #1. So far I'm measuring my Light Whipping Cream as I add it to each cup of coffee. (Apparently I add about 1 T when I'm not measuring) and I ate the skin off of one rotisserie chicken (forgot to buy a muffin pan when I was at the store.) Will make Jalapeno Poppers for dinner and call it a night. I'm using ****** to log everything in. I'm estimating my fat percentage will be about 82% and calories will be around 1,000.

Good luck to us all! And let's not hold Mini responsible if it doesn't work for us.

[catjrow3]

Cheryl was today a weighin day for you? Just the skin of the chicken? did you not like the chicken too?? LOL