**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

[annefran]

Hi everyone,

I have been lurking here with great interest and wanted to introduce myself. I am on R3P2VLCD8, RX inj. I had a lot of success with R1. R2 was a bust after about a week. I just couldn't get my mindset right and allowed outside stress to take over.

Here I am R3. I have spent the last 6 days absolutely starved. After a really difficult weekend of family get togethers (and lots of food around) where I did not cheat one bit and actually ate only my own food, I actually gained the next morning...1.6lb! Anyhow, skipped my shot yesterday to see what my hunger would be like, and perhaps it would indicate my dose needed to be adjusted. By the end of the day I was SO hungry, grumpy, and was really feeling my body is not adjusting well this round. I felt anxious, unsettled, and annoyed.

Then I started reading all over this thread. I thought I am going to skip my normal P2 evening meal and eat some fat only, just for the heck of it. So I was strict P2 all day up until about 6:30pm. I stopped at store, bought mac nuts, cream cheese, brie, and HWC. I started slowly snacking on the nuts, probably ate a good sized handful. I took a big spoon of coconut "manna", mixed it with choc and stevia, and had a few bites of the brie. Drank a bunch of water too. I was amazed at just how little it took until I was satisfied, although I did consciously make myself eat very slow because after 7 days of TORTURE on P2, I wanted to eat fast!! The entire evening I felt really good. I didn't have this anxious feeling of wanting to get away from the kitchen. I felt peaceful and slept really well all night.

Best part.....this mornings loss was 2.8!!! So, not sure how I'm going to play with this but dashing a little fat in here and there may make P2 doable for me! I will continue my shots and plan out my FF meals. I may not do 2-3 days FF, maybe just meals here and there.

I will keep you posted! After reading here on this thread it does seem that some of us do better with more fat in our system. I all along have believed that it's not fat that makes us gain, it's carb/insulin, etc.

[annefran]

Hi!

Well, I did the same thing yesterday, 1 normal P2 meal yesterday at 10am, 1 apple at 3pm, then a few high fat items only for "dinner" consisting of about a handful of mac nuts, 1/2 c grated cheese, and 1-2 T coconut butter (manna), plus lots of water.

I lost another 1.4 lbs with it!

I'm thinking today I will do strict P2 (no fat) and see how I feel, and what my losses (if any) will be for tomorrow.

Having that fat at night really puts me into such a relaxed and comfortable state in the evening. We will see how tonight goes on strict P2.

With R1 I did not sway from the original protocol at all so I do know it works, but if I can get away with adding a bit of fat here and there and maintain good losses I'm all for it. I am very happy with 1 lb a day losses!

Also am looking at the JUDDD woe for later. I am interested in learning about the way it works. I will have to go read that thread more as I wonder if that plus P3 can be integrated succesfully and result in stabilization.

It's fun to be rougue!!

[sunflowerintx]

Originally Posted by annefran

Hi!

Well, I did the same thing yesterday, 1 normal P2 meal yesterday at 10am, 1 apple at 3pm, then a few high fat items only for "dinner" consisting of about a handful of mac nuts, 1/2 c grated cheese, and 1-2 T coconut butter (manna), plus lots of water.

I lost another 1.4 lbs with it!

I'm thinking today I will do strict P2 (no fat) and see how I feel, and what my losses (if any) will be for tomorrow.

Having that fat at night really puts me into such a relaxed and comfortable state in the evening. We will see how tonight goes on strict P2.

With R1 I did not sway from the original protocol at all so I do know it works, but if I can get away with adding a bit of fat here and there and maintain good losses I'm all for it. I am very happy with 1 lb a day losses!

Also am looking at the JUDDD woe for later. I am interested in learning about the way it works. I will have to go read that thread more as I wonder if that plus P3 can be integrated succesfully and result in stabilization.

It's fun to be rougue!!

Crazy to me since we are not supposed to have ANY fat on P2. I'm so confused!

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by annefran

Hi!

Well, I did the same thing yesterday, 1 normal P2 meal yesterday at 10am, 1 apple at 3pm, then a few high fat items only for "dinner" consisting of about a handful of mac nuts, 1/2 c grated cheese, and 1-2 T coconut butter (manna), plus lots of water.

I lost another 1.4 lbs with it!

I'm thinking today I will do strict P2 (no fat) and see how I feel, and what my losses (if any) will be for tomorrow.

Having that fat at night really puts me into such a relaxed and comfortable state in the evening. We will see how tonight goes on strict P2.

With R1 I did not sway from the original protocol at all so I do know it works, but if I can get away with adding a bit of fat here and there and maintain good losses I'm all for it. I am very happy with 1 lb a day losses!

Also am looking at the JUDDD woe for later. I am interested in learning about the way it works. I will have to go read that thread more as I wonder if that plus P3 can be integrated succesfully and result in stabilization.

It's fun to be rougue!!

Nice job Anne congrads!! Did you calculate what your calories and fat percentage was?

[annefran]

Terri, no I didn't log the amounts I ate. I am starting to log everything really strictly starting today.

I officially am miserable on strict P2 protocol. Yesterday I didn't add any fat and I can't tell you how badly I felt. Freezing cold, so tired, anxious, can't sit still. I am pretty sure I'm either going to keep up with my little experiment eating fat only at night replacing one of my P2 meals, OR, change completely over to the "other side", JUDDD WOE. I have been reading alot about JUDDD and it just seems like a sustainable way to live. Yes, losses take longer, but I have less than 20lbs to loose so I'm not that worried.

What to do?

[fultymom]

anne- I'll be interested to see how your experiment goes.

Well, I've read the entire thread. I've done the FF years ago after a year on Atkins when I was stalled, so am familiar with it.

I decided yesterday to end this very challenging R2 yesterday, after 23 days and do 3 days of the FF before going into P3. I lost weight fine on R2, but I was hungry almost the whole time and just could not go a long round like I had planned.

Today I'm down 1lb, feeling great (now that my tummy issues have past) and not feeling starved. My body loves fat.

I'm continuing the FF today and tomorrow and Sat will be P3.

I will post my results here, as well as how I stabilize this round. After R1 I stabilized under my LDW for most of P3/P4, never needing a correction day, but creeped back up to LDW just before loading for R2.

Thank you all so much for sharing in this thread!!

Cindy T

[TerriMM]

First time the fat fast failed me. Two days up .30. I'm in P3. I did higher calories 1606 & 1575, fat 84% & 88%. I usually lose better on higher calories, but............... I usually start at around 1100, get disappointed with paltry losses and then add a few calories but more like about 1300-1400 and then boom. This time I was very hungry and didn't quite have the mind set.
So two things come to mind that contributed to failure.
#1 obviously too many calories
#2 doing it too soon since the last one, which was less than a week ago. This may also have contributed to my lack of mind set. Just like a CD, don’t over do it.

[fultymom]

I'm sorry it didn't work out well this time Terri. I agree, probably too soon.

I'm down 1lb this morning. Of course I was hoping for a whooosh, but I'm happy with 2lbs so far.

I'm finishing up the FF today and will start P3 tomorrow.

Hopefully I stabilize well.

Cindy T

[TerriMM]

Great Luck Cindy! Thanks for the back at ya!

the swoosh fairy pays you a visit tomorrow!!

[lexi123]

Hi All - I am trying the FF today. I am on the hcg injections and I have no problem going rouge! lol. I have lost a total of 42 pounds since Jan 14th. I am in my second round - first one I used the patches - and I liked those ok, just wanted to try the rx stuff to see if there was a difference - not much of one except for no headache on load days - I think that it would take too long for the hcg to get into my system leveled with the patches and with the shot it happened faster.

This round has been slow, but I am losing inches like crazy. I have easily gone down a full size. I am wearing all size 12's now - which I could never do when I have weighed this much in the past. But it stinks that the scale doesn't go down too. So I am going to play around with the FF for the next few days and see what happens.

I did Atkins a while back and did the FF once and had good results from it...so here we go.

[MaggieC]

You guys convinced me. I've done 3 days on the fat fast with rx hcg, and I'm down at least 3 lbs in 3 days. I have to add that I was stuck at this weight for over a year, and couldn't get below it with hcg alone. Thank you!!!!! All of you!!!

First day was a macnut day, second two were fat. I want to keep going, and I'm wondering how long I can do this. I'm not hungry, I'm eating pasta every night (shirataki, of course!) I know I'm going to have to mix it up with other things at some point. I'm not worried about the health concern warnings, I know what's going on with my body. I'm incredibly resistant to losing weight. My understanding is that some people stay on ketogenic diets for months. I read a thread to that effect a while back somewhere, and I wish I could find it again. It's also used as a diet to treat seizures, and that isn't going to be short term. If I find it again, I'll post a link here.

Once again, thank you guys for being trail blazers.

[stephsr21]

Just curious if anyone has had success doing a FF on the last three days of P2 and then transitioning to P3? I am currently doing a FF through the weekend (so far as good!!!) and then back to protocol next week. I'll be wrapping up P2 at the end of next week and have dinner plans that Saturday. I was thinking it would be easier to follow the FF (maybe modified FF) during that time than the protocol. What would y'all suggest ordering? Steak, salad with ranch?
I'm a planner - I have to think ahead!

[aerin8]

Originally Posted by stephsr21

Just curious if anyone has had success doing a FF on the last three days of P2 and then transitioning to P3? I am currently doing a FF through the weekend (so far as good!!!) and then back to protocol next week. I'll be wrapping up P2 at the end of next week and have dinner plans that Saturday. I was thinking it would be easier to follow the FF (maybe modified FF) during that time than the protocol. What would y'all suggest ordering? Steak, salad with ranch?
I'm a planner - I have to think ahead!

Actually, I'm in P3 right now and I used the FF as a transition from P2 - I started on my last day of taking HCG, then continued the FF for the 3 transition days. I have stabalized perfectly and have had no issues with any foods during this P3. I'm finishing up my second week, and have not had to do a CD. So far, I've actually averaged around .5-1 lb under LDW. I'm not saying that it would work for everyone, but so far it's been great for me!

[rocketmom]

I did a 3 day ff on my last three days of round 2 also as a transition to P3. I gained 1.4 over LIW and have stayed there. I decided that I wouldn't do a correction day since I was still under the 2 lbs. I just started JUDDD using Paleo as my base WOE. After 43 days of 500 cals on vlcd, you would think I would transition to JUDDD easily. However, I am ravenous on down days. Even tho I know I can eat on the next day, it does nothing for my hunger on the down days, lol!

[cnelson1]

wondering who did FF in P2 regularly and how you stabilized in P3?

[lemonmama]

Originally Posted by cnelson1

wondering who did FF in P2 regularly and how you stabilized in P3?

That's my question, too! I wonder if anyone is reading this who has used the Fat Fast in P2 and then stabilized well after P2? I used the fat fast in my last round. It was excellent for losses, and a very welcome change to all of the P2 food. I can't really speak to the stabilization, because I did not follow the P3 properly...and therefore, did not stabilize well after that round. However, I do NOT blame this on the fat fast...just on my lack of discipline!

I'm starting my final round (VLCD 1) tomorrow, and I may use a fat fast day at some point, but it would be wonderful to hear from people who have used it with success then went on to stabilize!

[aerin8]

I also did a FF in the middle of my P2 as well as the transition into P3. I've been stabalized like a rock...I over-indulged for Mother's day yesterday and had scalloped potatoes and I know there was some sugar in a few things I ate, and weighed the same today as I did yesterday. Still at -.6 below LDW. I've had a couple moments of weekness on this P3 and have had bread and a croissant and even cookies...I still haven't had to do a correction day. It's been amazing...I don't know if it had anything to do with the FF or not, but that has been the primary difference between my first round and this round...

[lemonmama]

Originally Posted by aerin8

I also did a FF in the middle of my P2 as well as the transition into P3. I've been stabalized like a rock...I over-indulged for Mother's day yesterday and had scalloped potatoes and I know there was some sugar in a few things I ate, and weighed the same today as I did yesterday. Still at -.6 below LDW. I've had a couple moments of weekness on this P3 and have had bread and a croissant and even cookies...I still haven't had to do a correction day. It's been amazing...I don't know if it had anything to do with the FF or not, but that has been the primary difference between my first round and this round...

Thanks so much for sharing your experience, Aerin!

[lexi123]

So I know this doesn't count too much...but I had 1 day of FF last week, then TOM then I was on VLCD no hcg. I started eating P3 Saturday Night dinner. I ate P3 saturday night and Sunday and I ate out 2 meals (which I found last time would always bring me a 1 pound gain at least in P3. This time steady, very steady. I even ate sauces yesterday without a problem...there was a sauce my beef was in and one that he broccolini was in...and usually the hidden sodium and sugar in those caused me to gain in P3 (not gain much but gain). So far no ill effects of doing the FF in P2. And I feel very much in control in P3 right now...I will report back in a few days.

[Paula C]

Hello...Is it ok to do the fat fast while in P2 of HCG?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Paula

[lexi123]

Paula it is totally rouge - but that is what I did without any ill effects. I only did one day of it though. It helped me break a stall.

[Paula C]

Thank you Lexi...I am stuck at 4 lbs above goal and had a peanut butter and cracker cheat a couple of times last weekend and gained 2 lbs andit took me all week to get back down to 142-goal is 138..This is my 2nd round and I am a very slow loser. Are you at goal? What phase are you in if not? From your experience or knowledge of others, has this messed up long term success in "healing" the hypothalmus?
Thank you

Paula

[RileyWorm]

Someone asked above about stabilizing: i did probably 3 or 4 Fat Fasts during my last leg of P2 and I have stabilized perfectly. And I mean perfectly. I've been able to eat a much wider range of foods during this leg of maintenance. I can't attribute that solely to the fat fast, but you run a risk of not stabilizing EVEN if you do strict protocol. All 3 rounds I've done have had varying degrees of success during stabilization. Only my last round was crazy rogue.
Also the fat fasts lose their potency the more frequently you do them so don't get discouraged if you try it and you don't lose- it may just be too soon.
Happy fat fasting to you all!

[Stevie Renee]

I had a tragic event in my personal life side track me but now back to it. I did a FF yesterday with 2 caffeine free diet cokes, water, black decaf coffee and 1000 calories of mac nuts. I dropped 3.8 pounds. I read on the vlogs to keep going so I am.

Very encouraged by your post Erin!

One thing I found with the FF and mac nuts...not too over due it. One ff did not result in hunger control either. Yesterday the magic happened. No hunger.

Happy FF to those who try.

[TerriMM]

Way to go Stevie

[minimonkey]

I'll be doing one of these next week ... can't wait!

[RileyWorm]

This thread is dying down a bit, huh? doing FF from today until Thursday (hopefully I don't get derailed!!)
Menu:
2 eggs with butter and mayo
cream cheese with melted cheddar cheese
4 slices bacon
coffee/cream
I calculated earlier close to 1000 calories. Didn't calculate % but should be at least 75. I didn't weigh this morning but my goal is to get back to at least 134. I had a tough weekend.

[martiangurll]

Great thread. What are folks' favorite fat fast "meals?"

[RileyWorm]

bacon, eggs with butter or mayo, or avacodos. really i like any of it! the cream cheese/hwc concoction with splenda is too rich for my tummy but its good too.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Bumping ...

Seems to be a lot of talk of P2/P3 transitions...thought this might help