**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

OMG--I just devoured that chicken thigh like it was the last thing I was ever going to eat! LOL

I can tell you that just from eating fat again today, my mood is incredible and I feel an overall sense of happiness! I know my body and I could tell it was screaming for FAT!!!

Fat does a body goooood.

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Making chocolate cream cheese muffins for my fat fast. I figured they come to about 115 calories a piece, almost all from fat (110 maybe?) So I'm having two for a snack later.

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Recipe pretty please!!

You took the words right out of my mouth, Nicole! We are definitely on the same page. (Literally!)

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

I found these on another forum by a user named cd_moree. Not sure of the origination...if anyone knows feel free to add.

1 8oz pkg of cream cheese softened
1 egg
2 tbsp of cocoa powder
5 packets of Splenda
1 tsp vanilla (but I forgot it!)

*Mix all the ingredients together thoroughly.
*I sprayed 8 silicone muffin liners with cooking spray - I eyeballed when filling into 8 equal portions - so a smidge over 1 oz a piece.
Bake at 350 deg. for 15 minutes.

*The original recipe calls for 5 muffins and 20 mins baking time but I adjusted for smaller muffin size- AND my oven is wonky so yours may take a little more/less time.

They just came out and they smell divine! The batter tasted pretty good too. I have always wanted to try these and this fat fast is perfect for them, I think!

ETA: They fell a little flat after taking them out of the oven, but still tasted pretty good! Couldn't wait til they cooled but think they will taste really good cold!

So, with the addition of the egg I figured about 115 cals apiece. If my math is wrong please tell me.

Thank you! I'm definitely making these. Thank God they don't call for Coconut Oil! I can't tolerate it. It makes me gain weight overnight. (2.5+ lbs!) I wish I had better muffin pans. Maybe I'll go buy me a non-stick one at the rinky-dink store in town tomorrow. Or muffin cup thingies!

Originally Posted by agentventi

I am SO excited to see the weight dropping off of everyone tomorrow.

I am prepped for my fat fast to start in the morning just wishes I would have remembered to buy cream cheese, those muffins sound yummy!

Me too! Mine is tomorrow. It will be my first. I'm not on HCG right now. I'll be on day 15 of Atkins '72. I'm in ketosis and ready to give this a whirl. I wasn't going to weigh until Tuesday, but the scientist within me needs to see the "pre" and "post" fat fast weights. So tomorrow I will weigh.

Go buy some cream cheese! NOW!

Originally Posted by BaileysGirl

Got that recipe Erin! Thanks!

I'm interested to see how this works for you guys. I've never heard of it. Too bad I'm on day 1 of no drops! God forbid I don't lose well in R3! R2 was a bit slower on the loss, totally different than R1. I guess you could also try this when you're very near goal and that last 10 pounds won't come off? Good luck Girls!

BUMMER! However, it's not too late! Just start taking your pellets again and act like it was all a mistake. Try a day or two of fat fasting and then see about P3. Is that doable for you, or is life going to get in the way?

I haven't figured out what to eat yet, but I'd be more likely to suck the skin off of a rotisserie chicken than to eat the meat on a fat fast day. How can you figure the calories of cooked chicken skin off a whole bird????

This will be very interesting. Thanks, Nicole! For starting this thread. I love experiments! And thanks to Mini for being the fat fast QUEEN! I think the "magic shell" is something she started. I could be wrong on that one...

[minimonkey]

You guys are cracking me up, and I say that most lovingly! I've been doing these fat fasts for months... and now they are all the rage! In all seriousness, I hope this works for you guys -- it's been a real lifesaver for me.

[CherylB]

Mini, how can I calculate the calories in chicken skin (cooked, of course)? I want to keep to the 1000 cal limit and it can't be much skin. But man oh man that would be 100% fat! And yummy!

[star a.d.]

I did a fat fast day today, and plan to do another this week, depending on my work schedule!

i want to plan my p3 transition around one too.

[CherylB]

Calories in Chicken - Skin Only, Cooked, Roasted - Calories and Nutrition Facts

After multiple googles, this seems to be the best site for calculating chicken skin. I think it's low, personally. It seems like it should be more than about 600 cals for the entire chicken's skin.

I went on ****** and put in what I hoped to be eating tomorrow. It comes in around 1000 cals but it's only 81% fat. Is that enough?

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

You guys are cracking me up, and I say that most lovingly! I've been doing these fat fasts for months... and now they are all the rage! In all seriousness, I hope this works for you guys -- it's been a real lifesaver for me.

You have inspired us! We will see if I will be thanking you tomorrow! Just kidding, even if I am one of those it doesn't work for, I still definitely enjoyed it!

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Calories in Chicken - Skin Only, Cooked, Roasted - Calories and Nutrition Facts

After multiple googles, this seems to be the best site for calculating chicken skin. I think it's low, personally. It seems like it should be more than about 600 cals for the entire chicken's skin.

I went on ****** and put in what I hoped to be eating tomorrow. It comes in around 1000 cals but it's only 81% fat. Is that enough?

I read somewhere in someone's post (probably Mini) fat should be 75-90% ...today, mine came out to 83%.

[CherylB]

I thought it was supposed to be 90%. I just played around on ****** and even if I just ate cream cheese and strips of bacon, the % was only in the high 70's! I wonder if I'll have to dip my bacon in butter! This is much easier if you can eat CO, isn't it. And I never knew chicken skin had so much protein in it! I thought it was pure fat.

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by CherylB

I thought it was supposed to be 90%. I just played around on ****** and even if I just ate cream cheese and strips of bacon, the % was only in the high 70's! I wonder if I'll have to dip my bacon in butter! This is much easier if you can eat CO, isn't it. And I never knew chicken skin had so much protein in it! I thought it was pure fat.

I'm not too fond of CO either - well, I am, but my tummy isn't.

[minimonkey]

From what I understand, 90% fat is ideal, but I think Atkins allows for it to be as low as 75% of daily intake and still call it a fat fast. The main goal is to kick your body into ketosis, hardcore.

Coconut oil definitely makes this easier -- and it has the benefit of being thermogenic, to boot -- but it is most certainly possible to do the fat fast without it, too.

I'm really curious to see everyone's results... and I hope I don't have an angry mob of p2ers outside my door tomorrow, waiting to bash me over the head with their scales!

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I'm really curious to see everyone's results... and I hope I don't have an angry mob of p2ers outside my door tomorrow, waiting to bash me over the head with their scales!

OMG--that just made me almost spit my water out! I did have the thought of...how funny would it be if all of us new "fat fasters" came back tomorrow with HUGE weight GAINS??? LOL

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

OMG--that just made me almost spit my water out! I did have the thought of...how funny would it be if all of us new "fat fasters" came back tomorrow with HUGE weight GAINS??? LOL

I'm laughing too! Gosh let's hope not!! I'm not worried though. My constant belly bloat/weird digestion issues have been CALM for the first time in two weeks today, so that has to count for something.

[Tricialy]

Sounds interesting - but I worry I won't stabilize in p3. I'd love to see some of your menus. Fingers crossed for you guys.

[minimonkey]

Tricialy -- the thing is, we're all already rogues, so we are running the stabilization risk anyhow. So, not too much to lose on that front, really. I completely see your point, if you are following strict protocol.

I suspect I may stabilize better after doing a high fat round, but that is just my personal hunch ... time will tell, when I finally declare goal and do a real p3.... and if I don't stabilize well, I have only myself to blame... no doubt about that one

[minimonkey]

Cheryl -- I have no idea how you calculate the calories in just chicken skin ... I'd probably see if there's an online counter for that... I am not too hung up on calories being exact, myself, so I would just do the best I could. I don't suggest adopting my 'devil may care' attitude, btw.... it doesn't always work in my best interests.

Take the calories for a breast with skin, then subtract the calories for a breast without skin, and you'd have roughly the right amount. Calorie counters are pretty darn variable one to the next, though...

[C'Marie]

I am hoping it works for you, fat at this point for a strict protocol gal like me does sound divine. I did see some of my buddies on another support group do this, though - and while they had good one or two-day drops, they rebounded. Not sure what they ate on the followup days, though. My biggest concern would be doing it at the end of a round - I'd actually be more game for a mini-refeed after day 23 and hitching up for another 23....

[minimonkey]

C'Marie -- I haven't rebounded with the fat fasts... it seems to be about the only thing that gets the scale moving for me these days ... and the losses have stuck, for me, for the most part. My weight bounces up and down on any plan, but the high fat seems to be the tried and true for lasting fat loss for this little body, hhcg or no.

I've had mixed results with the mini-refeeds ... sometimes they work for me, sometimes they don't, and sometimes they backfire altogether.

What does NOT work for me is low fat -- I can do it for a few days running, and eventually see some losses, but it takes a huge toll on me over time, and I do tend to rebound badly from it.

Of course, if I did 23 day rounds instead of 60-zillion day rounds, it might be a different story, lol!

[C'Marie]

Well, I hate to say it because it just might sound like I'm criticizing those other gals, but I think, anyway, they weren't really doing it scientifically like you are, they were just using it as an excuse to eat whatever they wanted and call it a fat-fast. Like I said, I dunno what they did after it either, but they kept saying "Wow, lost 2 1/2 pounds" and then the next few days they were right back up.... and didn't drop again for quite awhile. Who the heck really knows. The body is mysteriously and wondrously made. And I certainly know we aren't really supposed to go super low-fat for very long- so that's one main reason I stick to protocol and stop at 40 days or earlier cuz I miss my fats! I cannot even imagine going as long as some!

You certainly put your cute little bod through its paces way more than I do! Look at those muscles! Like I said, I hope it works for you!

[RileyWorm]

DOWN 3 pounds! Under 140 since first time starting 2 weeks ago. Had to get on right away and share! Yesterday I had:
2 eggs with 2 tbsp of butter
2 eggs with 1tbsp butter and 1tbsp of mayo
2 cream cheese muffins
7 almonds

Same diet planned for today except subbing out 2tbsp of fat for more almonds.

[agentventi]

WOW Rielyworm!! GREAT job. I hope I show a similar loss! What was your fat percentage? I can not get mine above 75% grrr.....it is the protein in the greek yogurt. I should go buy a block of cream cheese instead....I might have to do that.

I just had my 3 eggs and coconut oil, now having coffee with HWC
Hoping that holds me over until dinner when I will have a fage with coco crack and mac nuts sprinkled on top.

I think I may make some chocolate whipping cream to eat for snack too.

I really really hope this works and I can stabilize in P3, that is the part that worries me too. I was going to stop my pellets tomorrow but I think I will do a few days of P2 before stopping so if the fat fast weight is going to come back at least it won't be in P3. Maybe I will aim for P3 to start on Sunday.

I just NEED to stay away from the damn fruit. I need help! I have decided I am not buying anymore. My husband is never home to eat it and my daughter likes banana's, grapes and melons, non protocol items anyway. So I think I have 4 apples left and 2 pints of strawberries....I will have to make these last until Sunday....we shall see!

[BaileysGirl]

Good Job Riley!!!

[msgirl]

I just wanted to add that today is my first day of fat fast - bought all my stuff Saturday night. However, Saturday night I added in 1 (SMALL) TB of almond butter and 1/2 cup of full fat cottage cheese - my calories were right at 800 and guess what........down to 147 yesterday!!!! That is a total loss of 2.8 lbs from Friday to Sunday!!!!!FINALLY the scale moved!!!

Today was 147.2 and I did not do fat fast yesterday plus had to eat lettuce twice and left out fruits because of a social occasion. I wish I didn't have those so often but it is the nature of our occupation!

Anyway, I am just so happy to see the scale moving! I am on VLCD 22 and I really didn't start tweaking with fat until VLCD20 - not feeling to bad about it since I stuck to protocol to a T!

Today my menu is:

Coffee/HWC
Lunch - 8 oz Fullfat Greek Yogurt, 1 tb of CO, 1 TB almond butter
Supper - same as lunch

I must add that after adding that small amount of fat in on Saturday my tummy went crazy - after not having any fat for 20 days.....

Did anyone else notice that?

Tomorrow will definitely be the true story for me. I want to at least get down to 140 and would love 138 to have wiggle room before transitioning to P3 but we will see!

So glad to have all of you!

[agentventi]

for breakfast today I ate 3 eggs in coconut oil and HWC in coffee and my tummy def. went nuts. TMI alert but in P2 I don't ....go....without tea paired with a laxative! But right after breakfast I went. So, I guess that is good to know that fat helps you....go.

[minimonkey]

Riley! Whooooohooooo! So glad the scale liked the fat fast!!!!!!!!!!! (Hey, and that is at least ONE potential basher-with-a-scale that I don't have to face on my doorstep....lol!)

Good luck to everyone who is jumping on board with me here

[minimonkey]

Msgirl.. nice drop! Hope the fat helps keep those going for you!

Venti -- yeah, that is a common digestive state of affairs with p2 and then adding fat -- hope you feel better today. A lot of people get that when switching from p2 to p3.

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

So far today I've had 2T heavy cream in my coffee, 2 slices of bacon (OMG how I've missed thee!) and 1 oz of macadamia nuts (eating those now at 12:30 pm). That adds up to about 430 calories. That leaves me with 570 calories left for the day. Think I'll plan for some yogurt, coconut oil and 2 chicken thighs for the rest of the day

Wow! Now I'm interested. I had a 7 day stall last week, at a weight I lived with for a very long time, and although I'm a pound less today (2 lbs down yesterday, up 1 lb today), I'm starting to feel very tired.

It looks like you are doing this fat fast while taking hCG? I would be willing to try this, if it starts to look like I am going to be stalled again this week.

I guess I'm a bit leery--on another forum, someone mentioned that she ate coconut oil during P2 and couldn't stabilize afterwards. Just not sure what to do.

[Nicole T]

Well, the good news is I won't be beating down Mini's door...down 2 oz today. Now some might not see that as a positive but I do and here's why...The day that I was going to call it quits for P2 (Sunday morning), I ended up dropping a whole pound. That's a pretty big loss for me when I'm this close to goal and had just had a 1.2 lb loss two days before (on Thursday).

So I kinda knew that I probably wouldn't have some huge loss today since I had that one pound loss yesterday. The important thing is that I did LOSE and didn't gain while eating yummy and satisfying fat! I am 162 even today and my plan is to do this for 2-3 more days and see where I land. If in 3 days I'm still right around 162, I'm going to just do the two days without pellets and stay on the fat fast and transition into P3. I really think this transition will be so much better for me than what I did last time (going from NO fat to 2,000 calories of high fat in one day and gaining immediately). Since I know my body loves to eat Paleo/Primal, I think if I start off slowly eating like that now and then go into P3 slowly, I'll stabilize.

The other good news was that my body didn't revolt against the full fat greek yogurt last night!!! In my last P3, I had serious issues with yogurt and had to stop eating it. This makes me happier than you could ever know since I'll take that any day over a bowl of ice cream! Especially if it's drizzled with melted coconut oil or coconut butter and melted almond or cashew butter! (I only put 1T of coconut oil on it last night since I didn't want the carbs in the almond butter). I also plan on getting some raw milk yogurt from my Amish farmer to see how I react to that since raw milk doesn't bother me at all--just the pasteurize and homogenized stuff from the store does.

So all in all, a good start to the day--especially when I can have 3 slices of bacon and heavy cream in my coffee

[minimonkey]

Good going, ladies!!! Nice result, Nicole! I bet you see a larger drop in a day or two.

Garnet --yes, there's always a risk of not stabilizing when one goes rogue -- but honestly, some people don't stabilize after a strict p2, either -- so it's a risk, and you just need to decide if you are willing to take that risk.

Nicole... I will take GY over ice cream (or just about any other food) any day, too

[minimonkey]

Garnet -- the things you are describing are precisely why I did go rogue ... the long stalls, and the horrid dragged-out fatigue. Awful way to feel, especially when stalled for weeks at a time.... my body hates low fat, and hhcg or no, tends to have bad bounce-back gains when I go off it.

For me, this is worth it, even if I do have to work harder to stabilize.

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Garnet --yes, there's always a risk of not stabilizing when one goes rogue -- but honestly, some people don't stabilize after a strict p2, either -- so it's a risk, and you just need to decide if you are willing to take that risk.

Yes, yes and YES. I went into P3 last time totally protocol and anyone on here who remembers what I went through will remember I wanted to smack my head against a wall since all I did was gain and do correction days....rinse and repeat many times over! What finally helped me was following the Leptin and Paleo. So in my case, it didn't matter one bit that I was 100% protocol--I still had a horrible time stabilizing in P3. So this time I figure what the hell--it can't be any worse than last time and now I know what to do if it looks like it's going bad--hellllooooo Leptin Reset