**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

[TerriMM]

Hi Shirley,
That makes 8.6 lbs in nine days. I do Intermountain Pellets. I'm still up in the air as to what to do when I'm done. I was planning to go back to P2 for a couple days and then move on to P3. Still haven't worked that one out.

Has anyone gone straight to P3? How have you done?

I do a bit more protein, especially as I keep going. I usually do eggs in the morning, I do a lot of cream cheese muffins and once a day (maybe only every other day) I do 4 oz of beef, chicken or fish.

I always push the water. Just helps your body release and move out fat, toxins, etc.

[RileyWorm]

Terri, I have not, but if you read the original fat fast article on page 1 of this thread it suggests to slowly up your cals and incorporate other foods (if I am recalling correctly). When I transition I plan to basically keep up my high fat ratios but sub in more veggies/protein...if that makes sense...
From what I understand a rebound up is normal, but should still net you a loss.

For what it's worth, I did what you are planning to do: I went from fat fasting to strict P2, and then into P3. My losses held.

(After P3 I transitioned back into P2 and now I am just fat fasting, no hcg, so I guess you could say I am in P3 again...)

[TerriMM]

Thanks Erin.
How many days of P2 did you do before moving to P3? Did you continue to lose when you went to P2?

[RileyWorm]

Let me think..this is as best as I remember how I did it...
*I did P2 for 2.5 weeks (lost around 10) then did 3 days fat fast (lost 5)
* went back to P2 and cheated after day 3 back on P2 after the fat fast (gained 2), so fat fasted again (lost 3)
* did 3 more days of P2, lost 1.5, and then transitioned into P3
*I did P3 for 4 days, with a miniload on day 4 (gained 2)
*transitioned right back into P2 with 2 pound loss in 2 days (I ate Atkins style, 900 cals)
*have been on P2 on 5 days so far, I stalled because of working out (I can't follow my own advice!), so fat fasting again and lost another 1.6. Now I am officially calling myself on P3...I can't go back to P2, I don't want to waste my hcg at this point. I think I am going to continue the fat fast without hcg.

[TerriMM]

Boy if I could only follow my own advice!

[metqa]

Shirly, I know you were asking Terry about her experience, but I though I'd chime in myself.

I started my Rx intravenous Dosing of HCG on Feb 3 60.8K. I've been keeping a fat ration of 65% or higher each day but one, on which I gained. Today is Feb 11th and I'm down to 59.4K. That's a difference of about 3.0 lbs or so over 8 days,or an average of a third of a pound per day.

Until the past two days my protein levels have varied from 10-20%. I plan to continue this ratio until the end of my round and JUDDD my way through P3.

I drink very little extra water from what is in my food. I only drink when I'm thirsty which could be a few sips while driving or 16 oz right before bed. I don't force water and rarely regularly drink 64 oz in one day. Sometimes I get water with extra like water with unsweetened cranberry or water with vitamin powder, but I don't count, I let my thirst and hunger tell me when to drink. I also will drink Kombucha when it suits me. and I also drink home whole milk kefir.

[jenniferphang]

i am so confused by what we should be eating on fat fast. can someone provide me a standard menu please? I am on P3, can i do this? must i do this for 4 or five days?

[metqa]

The Fat Fast was a plan for resistant weight loss.

the original menu were foods free from carbs and low in protein, and high in fat
Cream cheese
nitrate free streaky bacon, not turkey or chicken bacon
caviar
Eggs with an extra yolk
1/4 avocado
Chicken with added mayo
Beef chuck cooked in olive oil
sour cream
oil packed Tuna with added mayo

The goal was to comprise 1000 Kcal per day with at least 90% fat.

Many have tweaked Fat Fast to be less fat and more variety hence peanut butter and vegetables and other foods. Seems now people are keeping only 80% fat or so, but it still seems to be effective at that.

It is very little food volume, but can in some produce enough fullness to not matter.

You can do the FAt Fast in P3 or P4 if you like. P3 only requires you avoid starch and sugar. Fat Fast requires you avoid Carbs altogether, so it is compatible.

What you can do is think of the high fat foods that you LIKE to eat and see how those round up as far as ratios go. Using ****** for example, you can add a list of food, and see the total calories and how much of those calories are fat, protein and carb. For Fat Fast the Fat % matters most.

I made my own chart in excel that calculates the % based on the amount of fat, protein and carbs. Oopsie rolls for example are 73% fat. If I smear some cream cheese over one, the ratio goes up. Cream cheese clouds are 90-94%Fat depending upon whether you use powder splenda or liquid splenda.

Fatty Bacon is better than meaty bacon, Streaky ChuckRibeye better than lean. Devilled egg with mayo is good option. Tuna or chicken salad with 1/4 of an avocado cut up into it is good also.

If you can use a program to find other foods that fit the ratio then your plate will be more diverse.

[jenniferphang]

thank you so much. i really appreciate it May i know how long do you normally do it? so i can eat the food listed as long as it is kept under 1000 calories?

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by jenniferphang

i am so confused by what we should be eating on fat fast. can someone provide me a standard menu please? I am on P3, can i do this? must i do this for 4 or five days?

I don't see why this could NOT be done in phase 3 or phase 4 even. In my opinion it would probably be similar to a CD but with less protein. If you go to the first page of this thread you will find the details on the FF as given by Dr. Atkins.

I've read through this entire thread and found it really helpful b/c many posted sample menu's and how much they were losing with those menu's. Of course all of us are different and exactly what worked for one might not work in the same way for another. So if you have time, go to page 1 for the base details, then start reading through the thread... there is a lot of great info in here.

[metqa]

I forget about Page1. A week is probably how long you should do it, then if you want to continue, increase the calories to... is it 1200, so you can have more meat the second week.

[minimonkey]

I am definitely going to use this as my go-to correction day in p3 this time around!

I've gone protocol for now -- I had a rough time with the rogue at the end, and actually started gaining, so I did an interrupt and a load -- and now I am on a protocol round with actual hcg (so far, it is going extremely well!)

I'm shooting for a 30 day round, if I get that much out of my current bottle of hcg (it is supposed to be enough for 30 days) -- and then a strict p3. If I need to lose more, I'll stabilize on p3 first, and then do another round of protocol and hcg.

At this rate I may not need another round, but I suspect time will tell on that front

[SueQ]

I'm feeling very rogue, but I have talked myself into doing a fat fast. If i have a big drop on the scale tomorrow, I will wait. I'm still losing but slowly (only 1.6 lbs last week) and am wondering if a fat fast will be like a mini-load/re-feed since I'm on day 40 something of a round and plan another month. I'm hoping it will kick start things a little bit.

I've been really on the fence, but talked myself into it at the grocery store while contemplating the food I could eat. I did notice that the instructions say this can be dangerous for people who are losing weight easily, so I'm a little worried about that part. But if it doesn't feel good I will stop.

I'm thinking a 3 day fat fast, then return to straight P2 for another 30 days or so. I'm hoping that will not interfere with stabilization.

Does this sound like rationalization or a reasonable plan? Has anyone done this and stabilized after a month or so?

[heatherwagnon]

Toying around with trying this too but scared

[shirleychef]

Ok... took the plunge.. think I ate too much today but WOW did I feel GREAT today!!

2 eggs in butter with 1 organic pork sausage patti,
1 recipe of cocoa crack made with 2 tbsp coconut oil, 1 tbsp peanut butter and a 10 almonds with a titch of cocoa powder and stevia
less than 1 oz of fat with a little steak.. meaning the part of the steak that has the fat layer, and 1 couple onion rings drowning in butter (I fed the family steak and onions for dinner, I hope that little bit of onion won't do me in, I've seen that some eat a little veggies when doing a FF) 1 oz cream cheese 1/4 cup whipping cream, 1 tbsp butter with chocolate stevia.. YUMMY! and 10 almonds throughout the day. I feel HOT, and my urine smells very weird (sorry if that is TMI) I also drank 1 quart of coffee and 3-4 quarts of water... lost track, I know I got in at least 3 quarts and I think I'm half way through #4. I was not hungry but felt pleasant all day.

I don't know if I'll weigh tomorrow.. I'm REALLY nervous about this.... but it is so nice to not be FREEZING and to have energy... I cleaned house for about 2 hours today, did 4 loads of laundry, cooked for the family and it felt really good to not just feel like sitting in front of the computer all day. Mind you, I have MUCH better energy on Rx hcg than I ever did on homeopathic. But today I felt GREAT! 2-4 more days to go! :-) I've been stuck at 151.8.... would love to see the 140's! I do have a head cold that is really annoying and could be the reason for my stall.

Do FF's work when you are sick or does illness like a head cold make you stall even on a FF? I know when I'm on the VLCD I stall every time I get a cold or have the flu.

[metqa]

Fingers Crossed for you Shirley.

Personally, I think that illness causes stalls from inflammation no matter what plan you use. if you do lose weight it's probably because of dehydration or lack of eating. I hope you feel better soon.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by SueQ

I'm feeling very rogue, but I have talked myself into doing a fat fast. If i have a big drop on the scale tomorrow, I will wait. I'm still losing but slowly (only 1.6 lbs last week) and am wondering if a fat fast will be like a mini-load/re-feed since I'm on day 40 something of a round and plan another month. I'm hoping it will kick start things a little bit.

I've been really on the fence, but talked myself into it at the grocery store while contemplating the food I could eat. I did notice that the instructions say this can be dangerous for people who are losing weight easily, so I'm a little worried about that part. But if it doesn't feel good I will stop.

I'm thinking a 3 day fat fast, then return to straight P2 for another 30 days or so. I'm hoping that will not interfere with stabilization.

Does this sound like rationalization or a reasonable plan? Has anyone done this and stabilized after a month or so?

Honestly I have the same fear as you... stabilization. I've come so far and am finally at a "normal" BMI, though I want to be another 15 pounds less yet, I'm on about day 39 of what I had planned to be a long round too. I want to get to goal and move on with life.

I really think we should stabilize fine especially if we do end with 21 days STRAIGHT VLCD with no cheats. That is MY plan at least... I would LOVE to know if any who have done rounds with FF stabilized well or if it was a struggle. AND if they struggled did they do 21 days VLCD no cheats before concluding their round or were they rogue the entire round. I'd love to hear from some roguers who lost well and maintained well. HOWEVER, I also know that some struggle in maintenance no matter what b/c we have to deal with a HUGE variety of food issues. BUT we face them, learn from them and move forward right??

I think it is especially hard on us stricties to do stuff like this... but sometimes we just need to step out of the box and see what works for US... isn't that what a weight loss journey is.. a learning experience that leads us through many ups and downs and bumps along the way. Each one leading to a future of successful losses, great maintenance, and the ultimate health we desire.

[shirleychef]

Well.... no big woosh of weight loss but down 1 pound.. I'll take it. The plumbing is a bit clogged for the past few days so I'm sure once it lets loose I should see a bigger loss. PLUS since day 1 was successful and I was NOT careful with my cals I went back and calculated... I think I had close to 1800 cals yesterday maybe even 2000.. YIKES!!

That has made me determined to get closer to the 1000 range today in hopes of seeing a larger loss tomorrow. So far I've had 1 egg, 2 pc bacon, 1 cream cheese muffin and cream in my coffee for about 490 calories. I made a batch of cocoa crack with 2 tbsp CO, 1 tbsp pnut butter, 10 almonds which is about 420 cal. Doesn't leave me much for dinner... but I'll see how I feel then. I may allow myself 1200 cal for today. We'll see how the day goes. I hate counting calories... I never have while on hcg other than my first round where I learned the basic amounts for everything and have just gone with it since then. I never count in phase 3 or 4.

BUT this is good for me and I'm enjoying my FF experiment.

[RileyWorm]

Shirley, doing good! I love your pic, so jealous of your hair!
I hate counting calories too, but if you have a smart phone apps are so much easier to use than the website on the computer. I have an app on my tablet called Lose It! and it couldn't be any easier to use.
I too was close to 2000 calories, and had way too much protein, but still had a .2 loss, which for me is a huge accomplishment, because I drank a beer last night and had 3 breaded fried cheese balls! Ooooopss!!
On plan today: SF cheese cake, coffee with cream, avocado wrapped in salami, and maybe bacon...

[metqa]

right now my ratios are closer to EFGT, but I think I need to consider doing a higher ratio of fat, and actual FAT FAST up to 90% for a day at least to see if I get any boost in losses.

[RileyWorm]

metqa, I have read (somewhere on this thread, I believe; probably from Mini) the higher the fat calories, the bigger the losses. My fat calories have averaged 80-85% and I've lost pretty well, but in order to boost up to 90% or more it doesn't allow for much actual 'food', so I have difficulty getting higher than 85%...

[metqa]

I imagine so, I'm doing EFGT ratios which calls for any amount of fat 65% or higher, but I've been shooting for 75%. I did FatFast while in Tokyo, of all the carb lovin' places, and It wasn't that difficult, actually it was dreadfully EASY to get macadamia nuts, there were in a long tube package with the rest of the common nuts. In the States, it's like pulling teeth to find a snack size pack of macs AND not have to trade you arm for it.

Doing the Original Fat Fast menu limitations it's actually easy to get the ratios, but we all want variety don't we. You have to keep the protein low as well as it will throw everything off. I think I'll go buy some Macs from the health food store. Cheapest I can find at $16/lb They feel like a lot of food, with all the crunching and chewing.

I used to add Coconut oil to increase the fat, now I have a Jar of MCT Oil, that works well too.

[RileyWorm]

Macadamia nuts should be made of gold here - $7 for a very small jar...needless to say I have yet to incorporate them into the fat fasts...

[metqa]

They are my favorite nut next to almonds. But almonds have too much protein and starch.

I decided won't be FFing for a moment, I have some fresh cabbage,mushrooms and cauliflower I need to make sure don't go bad. But I'll make them as Fatty as possible. maybe I'll revert to my UD DD version of HCG, so i can low cal Fat Fast one day and include these veggies in a EFGT Up Day.

Thanks Riley for re-reminding me of the Higher Fat Ratio's. I think I have a plan now!

[RileyWorm]

Metqa, Sounds like a good plan to me! I am all about experimentation as well! I guess I am kindof doing an UD, DD rotation with cals and ratios, although unintentionally! Ha! I'll be interested to see if your losses are higher with the higher fats. Keep me(us) posted! The only thing I have noticed is slower losses with higher protein ratios; hence lower fat ratios too I guess...

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by metqa

right now my ratios are closer to EFGT, but I think I need to consider doing a higher ratio of fat, and actual FAT FAST up to 90% for a day at least to see if I get any boost in losses.

I'm not familiar with EFGT... is there an explanation under that section or a thread you'd recommend I read first. I'm a big fat eater (coconut oil, cod liver oil, coconut manna, raw cream, kefired cream, etc.)when not on VLCD... so would like to research this WOE... sometimes weeding through new info is a challenge though. So would love your recommendations.

[shirleychef]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Shirley, doing good! I love your pic, so jealous of your hair!
I hate counting calories too, but if you have a smart phone apps are so much easier to use than the website on the computer. I have an app on my tablet called Lose It! and it couldn't be any easier to use.
I too was close to 2000 calories, and had way too much protein, but still had a .2 loss, which for me is a huge accomplishment, because I drank a beer last night and had 3 breaded fried cheese balls! Ooooopss!!
On plan today: SF cheese cake, coffee with cream, avocado wrapped in salami, and maybe bacon...

Thank you... it is my original color. I've never dyed it. I have highlighted it from time to time over the years to get that strawberry blonde look I used to have in my early 20's. I'm actually thinking about getting it highlighted on my Birthday... I get a day ALL to me... hubby and I are taking 2 nights away in a hotel to celebrate our 40th B-days and 17 yr anniversary... he has to work on Friday for part of the day so I will get to have a day all to me! I'm planning to get my hair done... do some shopping for new skinny clothes since I'll HOPEFULLY be at goal by then, and maybe a massage or pedicure (I've never had either).

I wish I had one of those phones... I'm lucky to be able to figure out how to dial mine let alone do anything else... have you heard... I'm techy challenged.

MMMMM your plan for today sounds YUMMY!! I have a couple avocado's I need to use up, maybe I'll dig into one tomorrow. Can I mix it with a little sugar free (home made) salsa or would that be a major NO NO on a FF day?? I know I don't see many of you using veggies much on a FF. I know veggies have natural sugars so understand that, but am curious if some have found that a very small amount is ok and still allows for good reducing? I miss my veggies! BUT not the fat I'm shedding!

I think my cals are going to end around 1300 for today... better than yesterday but still a little high. I made a fabulous pork roast that was drowning in fat for lunch and could not resist eating 2 ounces. AND b/c I'm a butter aholic... I added 1 TBSP butter over my hot pork, a little salt and MMMMMM I didn't figure the calories until after I licked the plate. . Maybe tomorrow I'll be able to get closer to the 1000.

[RileyWorm]

I haven't really included any veggies on fat fasts, though I'm sure I could try to squeeze them in..I have eaten SF sweet gherkins, does that count?! lol! I think the salsa would be fine; I do eat some things from time to time that I don't always post on here but count in my calorie counts, like today I had some blueberries and last night I had a salad and some broccoli. If your carbs are too high, though, the weight will come off slower...
I believe there is an Eat Fat Get Thin page on LCF somewhere, I am not totally familiar with it...

[shirleychef]

Thanks Erin... this FF stuff is TOTALLY new for me. I'm just not sure if I can choke down avacodo without some salsa with it. I am finally liking them just chopped on a salad... and as guacamole, but haven't really used them in other ways yet. I never used to eat them at all pre-hcg, but I think they are a great fat source for phase 3 & 4. AND obviously for FF's.

Thanks for the tips on the veggies too, I'll go VERY cautiously/lightly with them if I chose to use them much over these few days.

[SueQ]

For lunch today, I had 1/2 and avocado with a tb of boursin cheese smeared over it. It was amazing but I love avocados. Truly a spiritual experience, better than you-know-what! LOL. I have really missed fat.

I've done a modified cream cheese muffin recipe and have some egg quiches cooking. If they turn out well I'll share the recipes. I already know my muffins collapsed on top. Must be a cream cheese thing!