HCG Rouges and Alternatives- week of 1/9

[minimonkey]

Sounds like a great barn day, Cheryl! I can't quite imagine doing that in the kind of cold you are facing, but it does sound tremendously fun, and also tremendously challenging.

Speaking of challenging, OH DUDE! I just did one of the advanced Bar Method workouts, and MAN did I work hard! I made it through the long arms section with the 5 lb weights, and I kept good form throughout, and it is going to HURT tomorrow...lol! I feel very proud of myself right now Roommate did exceptionally well, too -- we've both retained our strength and stamina surprisingly well... and we both still have muscle definition, which is very cool indeed. I've lost some of my chest muscle, but other than that, I seem to have kept most of it.

I'm working on building up that muscle base again, so I can keep my vow about weight and still loose all this goosh.

My belly is changing really fast -- I have an honest to goodness flap of hanging skin now... genuinely skin, with very little else under it. It looks quite odd... but the gooshy fat/water retention is leaving... and I am sure the skin itself will tighten in time and with care. I sure hope so!

I guess it's true that the gooshy stage preceded a loss.... and I will keep that in mind, as my legs turn into a mobile waterbed.....

[minimonkey]

I have to remember not to freak if the scale is up tomorrow ... my muscles are likely to be pretty sore and likely retaining water....

It's worth it, though... I am so glad to be working out again

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Sounds like a great barn day, Cheryl! I can't quite imagine doing that in the kind of cold you are facing, but it does sound tremendously fun, and also tremendously challenging.

Speaking of challenging, OH DUDE! I just did one of the advanced Bar Method workouts, and MAN did I work hard! I made it through the long arms section with the 5 lb weights, and I kept good form throughout, and it is going to HURT tomorrow...lol! I feel very proud of myself right now Roommate did exceptionally well, too -- we've both retained our strength and stamina surprisingly well... and we both still have muscle definition, which is very cool indeed. I've lost some of my chest muscle, but other than that, I seem to have kept most of it.

I'm working on building up that muscle base again, so I can keep my vow about weight and still loose all this goosh.

My belly is changing really fast -- I have an honest to goodness flap of hanging skin now... genuinely skin, with very little else under it. It looks quite odd... but the gooshy fat/water retention is leaving... and I am sure the skin itself will tighten in time and with care. I sure hope so!

I guess it's true that the gooshy stage preceded a loss.... and I will keep that in mind, as my legs turn into a mobile waterbed.....

Oh, Mini. It will be interesting to see how I become when I get anywhere near my goal weight. I'm really glad you had a good workout! Sounds like things with your roommate are on the upswing. I really hope so! WTG on retaining most of your hard-earned muscles!

[Violet_Dream]

Hey Gals, you all have been really busy! I was up .8 this morning even though I'm a protocol girl. Didn't have a bm until after I weighed, so that must be it.

I went to JCPenney tonight to find some of my favorite Lee jeans in a size 6 and they fit! Man do they look good on me! I tried on my 8's and they are baggy so I've officially dropped SIX sizes! Still have 12.2 to go and I will get there very soon. I went a bit roguish today and put some cream in my coffee. I've always lost doing this and we'll see.

I haven't heard about the position yet, but they said early next week. The only thing that I don't like is that I won't have to take a decrease in pay, but I'm at the cap of the range so probably won't see many raises. My ultimate goal is to be an underwriter with my company (they get paid more than supervisors). I was auto-declined for the two I applied for, but my time will come.

Sleep well my friends...

[minimonkey]

Dude, Cheryl, seriously... my belly is freaky looking! My legs are getting there too.. it is seriously weird. Thank goodness it is winter and I can hide under layers of clothing.

It's also amazing how much of my belly left literally over night... I guess a nearly 2 lb whoosh can do that, when there is only a small amount of fat left to lose in an area... but it is weird nonetheless.

I do think I am going to aim for the 95 goal, though I can't say that thrills me altogether.... looking at the gooshy areas on my legs, there is clearly a lot left to lose that is genuinely fat, not muscle. The key will be to work out as I go, so that only fat is lost, and not muscle too. Once I am on p3, I can build back up a bit... but for now, it is losing fat and maintaining muscle...

My legs are still really strong, which makes me genuinely happy!!! My arms haven't lost much in strength or stamina, either... indicating that most of what I have lost has been fat, with very little muscle in the mix.

I think I had very fatty muscle before, actually -- my muscles are quite strong now, but much longer and less stumpy -- so I do think I lost intramuscular fat. It makes a lot of sense... I built a lot of that muscle in the 80s, eating mainly carbs and doing hardcore cardio -- and that IS a prescription for fatty muscles.

It also helps explain why I need to drop so low in weight this time, and why I don't look at all emaciated doing it, whereas I HAVE looked emaciated at this body weight (or higher) in the past -- I am losing excess fat, not structural fat.. and thank goodness for that!

I just hope that by the time I get to my avowed stopping point, the gooshy fat is gone.... otherwise, I will not be a happy gal at all.

[minimonkey]

DUDE! VIOLET!!!!!! SIZE SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I bet you are one lean machine now!!! You sure you want to lose any more?

I'm totally in support of you reaching what ever goal you set, but it sounds like you are in pretty awesome shape as it is!!!! You are pretty tall... so a six is a very small size on someone of your stature.

YOU GO, P2 queen!!!!!!!!!

[star a.d.]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Another good line to quote! Who's grabbing this one? Sorry for your sore throat! Hope it heals quickly. (Love the "fist bumps".)

hahaha, thank you! as for the throat, I got stuffed up over the course of like 10 minutes this afternoon. ARGH! marked difference in such a short amount of time.

I just got back from concert the 2nd in as many nights, this means another lousy sleep for me I'm sure! yay! oh, and it's snowing, and nobody here knows how to drive in it!

hahahaha, I'm tired and getting punchy! I tried taking pictures of my hair and am getting too tired to look anything but tired in the photos.

mini, in case I didn't mention it earlier, your art is pretty amazing! such incredible colours, and the subject matter kind of affected me, for lack of better words.

[paulabob]

star Sorry you are getting sick..

Cheryl Brrrr, that sounds cold! I also LOVE pumpkin sausage soup...but my family does not so don't make it often.

128 this morning. Basically no progress this week...but then I didn't really do many low calorie days. I might need to pick up some hhcg to help me out. I'll try another week before doing that...hate how hhcg gives me killer ovulation pains + worse breast tenderness.

[Violet_Dream]

Good Morning! Down .6! mini, you should have seen the stares and compliments I got at our A.A. meeting last night. It felt good and was hilarious! I thought of that too...the weight range for my height is 129-174 according to this site Healthy Weight Calculator - Find your Healthy Weight Range - myOptumHealth which is what I've seen on more than one site. However, it states that my husband, who is 6'0" has a weight range of 136-184. WTH??? That can't be right. I'm hanging in and may stop at 145 (I want out of the 150's) then I can start exercising and toning up.

A woman at my work, who's very insecure almost seemed angry when I told her I'm headed toward a 6 (because she's also in a 6 and is shorter than me). She is always trying to copy me, thinks we are in a competition and I wouldn't be surprised if she went down to a 4. She made a big deal of the fact that I'm four inches taller than her too. And??? She's a trip, is 52 and looks fantastic, but I don't compliment her too much because she fishes for them and then puts herself down. I can't seem to find many 6 Longs and I figure it's because most women my height are in an 8 or 10. I got 6 M and the length is long enough and no concern of them being floods.

Have a great day everyone!

[mdolph]

Cheryl, I hit advanced just for you1

Seriously though, I'm loving your barn work talk. We sold and/or put all our animals (bunnies included) in the freezer last month. We just needed a break for the winter and time to work on the fencing and pins. We'll start fresh with all new babies in the spring. I hate doing barn chores in the winter and with DH working such long hours and my issues I'm trying to work on I begged for the winter off. Keep the stories coming!

Paula, who doesn't love pumpkin sausage soup? My whole family loves it and my 4 year old had a fit when I bowled some up for grandma's house. I do add extra seasoning and of course a little extra sausage, some kale and triple the pumpkin and water. So it's a bit of a change up. I can't wait to get it out for lunch today. It's always better the next day!

Violet- WOOT! WtG on the size 6! That's where I'm at for the most part. i might be able to go down to a 4. I hate that stupid BMI thing though. DH is also 6 foot at at 183 he looks sickly. For me it says 122-164. I'm sitting at 139 today and I'm told I look too thin.

Mini- Kudos on the class!

I also lose in spurts. Like it'll be nothing then bam it's gone! I hate that as One time I bought a pair of pants which the fit was amazing. And 2 days later they were too big!

More personals latta!

DH is working for another hour so I'm going to get a run in. We're hitting an ice sculputre festival today and then going sledding. I have all my soups and cocoa's ready and the kids are bouncing off the wall with excitement. Just need daddy! My weight was great considering TOM is here. 149.2! I'll take it. I treated myself to a lowcarb english muffin with sugar free orange marmalade for breakfast and a 1/2 of a grapefruit. A total of 175 calories of yumminess. Hmmm, I should have added some coconut oil in there too. I need the fat to keep me warm being outside all day!

[Nicole T]

VLCD12 and stayed the same today (165.7)...which was totally expected since I had major drops this past week. Any drop after this is Virgin Fat Territory for me...last time I was anything under 165 was 16 years ago before getting pregnant with my first son!

Getting nervous about P3 after having such a horrid time last time stabilizing but I do have Leptin in my back pocket this time

[errihu]

Down 1.7. I'm a little amazed actually, considered I substituted my pretzels for a chocolate yesterday and ate tuna, and had a little bit of parmesan in my omelet in the evening. But, hey, I sure am not complaining.

If I'm down tomorrow I'll be amazed. I have a work function tonight and I will be required to eat the food there. There will, at least, be a gluten-free option, but there will certainly not be anything resembling protocol. I've given myself the permission to eat what I want within reason, even if it means a gain and 4 days of no loss.

[nola baxter]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Nola, you rock!

lol..well it does make me smile when you apologize for posting so much!
I am sure no one minds- and probably the complete opposite!

You fat loss journey with all the gushy stages is fascinating- and probably really good for the record for people who might have a similar experience..

Who knows, at some point it may become me?!

[star a.d.]

Originally Posted by paulabob

star Sorry you are getting sick..

thanks! it's here, and it sucks.

so thanks, I assume, to two nights of rocking out at shows (lol), and the sickness, I'm still at 215. stupid body. I feel like garbage so I'm going to pretty much do a coconut milk in coffee/tea day, as I'm sure I won't care to eat since I can barely taste anything now anyway.

anyone got the world's smallest violin for me?

[minimonkey]

Star -- glad you had so much fun rockin' out, but sorry to hear it got the better of you
Coconut milk fasts tend to drop the pounds really fast for me, so maybe that'll not only help your throat, but the scale, too.

Thanks for the comments about my art.... yeah, the figurative ones are intended to be disturbing, and it is good that they are.


Nola -- thanks for saying that about all my posts... sometimes I feel like I am just rambling on and on and on... but you're right... I love searching other old posts for just that kind of information.

[minimonkey]

Violet -- whoooohooo on blowing everyone's heads away with your SIZE SIX jeans!!!!!!!!!!

If you have trouble finding longs, maybe I can send you the parts I have to cut off all my jeans to make them fit, and you can sew them to the bottom of yours??? lol.

I looked at that weight page you listed... it likes BIG ranges! It said I could weigh from 95 to 128 at my height.... hello? That is more than a 30 lb range! Wow!

And as for your husband's weight... my 6 foot sweetie was just at 140 a few weeks ago, and looked utterly sick and horrible... so that is definitely wrong!

[minimonkey]

My low from yesterday stuck!!! I am the same today... and given how flippin' sore my arms are, that is pretty miraculous. I wasn't even going to get on the scale, but am glad I did.

Only minor soreness elsewhere, but my arms and chest are definitely feeling it today -- that's a pretty killer arms set, and a ton of pushups and reverse pushups as well.... so I earned the soreness.

It's protein for me today, and some fat ....emphasis on the protein, though.

[minimonkey]

Whoohooo on the loss Errihu, especially after some substitutions -- that's fabulous.

Melanie -- yeah, that BMI thing is wack. Having seen your pics, I can honestly say that you WOULD look sickly at anything close to 122.

[minimonkey]

Paula -- sorry you aren't seeing progress this week. I hope you don't need to go back to the hhcg, if it affects you that much... but I do know the frustration of being stuck, and the willingness to do most anything within reason to get to goal. Hopefully this is just a temporary blip and the progress will pick up again!

[mdolph]

Having a great day with the kiddos! Managed to get my run in then some sledding. Came back home for lunch and now my husband is napping while I bathe kids and play princess with my daughter (hair, makeup and nails). She made her first solo run down the sledding hill. I'm pretty proud as she was so afraid! It's a pretty big hill!

I love reading how everyone makes hhcg work for them. Gives me hope that I can somehow incorportate this into a regular thing even after I hit goal.

Ok, now it's time to get everyone moving for the ice sculpture show and then we're going out to dinner! Yes, no dishes!

[tay65]

I HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST 30 LBS!!!! WOO HOOO! I'm so happy! It was totally unexpected too.
BBL I have to go to the store for more steak! LOL

[minimonkey]

Whoo Hooo Tay!!!! That is awesome!!!!

Sounds like a good day, Melanie

[minimonkey]

Here's a different page for height/weight/BMI recommendations, that gives several different formulas.... at least it is a different perspective...

Better Ideal Weight Body Calculations

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Here's a different page for height/weight/BMI recommendations, that gives several different formulas.... at least it is a different perspective...

Better Ideal Weight Body Calculations

Mini, I'm between heights so mine says 143 or 145 depending on 1/2 inch. I had set my goal as 147 - so maybe I will go down a bit from there if I do another round later. Hmmmm. I was at that weight and higher in high school LOL.

Do you think I should take into acct the extra skin I'm carrying after weighing 100 pounds more! That's gotta be a few pounds right there if I cared to do the reduction surgery at 12k just for the lower

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Hey Gals, you all have been really busy! I was up .8 this morning even though I'm a protocol girl. Didn't have a bm until after I weighed, so that must be it.

I went to JCPenney tonight to find some of my favorite Lee jeans in a size 6 and they fit! Man do they look good on me! I tried on my 8's and they are baggy so I've officially dropped SIX sizes! Still have 12.2 to go and I will get there very soon. I went a bit roguish today and put some cream in my coffee. I've always lost doing this and we'll see.

I haven't heard about the position yet, but they said early next week. The only thing that I don't like is that I won't have to take a decrease in pay, but I'm at the cap of the range so probably won't see many raises. My ultimate goal is to be an underwriter with my company (they get paid more than supervisors). I was auto-declined for the two I applied for, but my time will come.

Sleep well my friends...

That's AWESOME! Talk about feelings of elation! WTG. I have no doubt you'll reach your goal of 12 more. Still hoping you get a great position.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Dude, Cheryl, seriously... my belly is freaky looking! My legs are getting there too.. it is seriously weird. Thank goodness it is winter and I can hide under layers of clothing.

It's also amazing how much of my belly left literally over night... I guess a nearly 2 lb whoosh can do that, when there is only a small amount of fat left to lose in an area... but it is weird nonetheless.

I do think I am going to aim for the 95 goal, though I can't say that thrills me altogether.... looking at the gooshy areas on my legs, there is clearly a lot left to lose that is genuinely fat, not muscle. The key will be to work out as I go, so that only fat is lost, and not muscle too. Once I am on p3, I can build back up a bit... but for now, it is losing fat and maintaining muscle...

My legs are still really strong, which makes me genuinely happy!!! My arms haven't lost much in strength or stamina, either... indicating that most of what I have lost has been fat, with very little muscle in the mix.

I think I had very fatty muscle before, actually -- my muscles are quite strong now, but much longer and less stumpy -- so I do think I lost intramuscular fat. It makes a lot of sense... I built a lot of that muscle in the 80s, eating mainly carbs and doing hardcore cardio -- and that IS a prescription for fatty muscles.

It also helps explain why I need to drop so low in weight this time, and why I don't look at all emaciated doing it, whereas I HAVE looked emaciated at this body weight (or higher) in the past -- I am losing excess fat, not structural fat.. and thank goodness for that!

I just hope that by the time I get to my avowed stopping point, the gooshy fat is gone.... otherwise, I will not be a happy gal at all.

Somehow I think I neglected to party over your previous post about losing 2 lbs in a whoosh. Please forgive me. I'm thrilled for you! Is that true about high carb and lots of cardio? I'd never heard that before. WTH?

Well, if you get to your avowed goal and still feel gooshy, you can renegotiate. But we will need pictures to back up your claim for further weight loss. We will be in your face and on your case!

Originally Posted by star a.d.

hahaha, thank you! as for the throat, I got stuffed up over the course of like 10 minutes this afternoon. ARGH! marked difference in such a short amount of time.

I just got back from concert the 2nd in as many nights, this means another lousy sleep for me I'm sure! yay! oh, and it's snowing, and nobody here knows how to drive in it!

hahahaha, I'm tired and getting punchy! I tried taking pictures of my hair and am getting too tired to look anything but tired in the photos.

mini, in case I didn't mention it earlier, your art is pretty amazing! such incredible colours, and the subject matter kind of affected me, for lack of better words.

I forgot where you live. Is snow that unusual there? Sounds like it is. Man! The road is a dangerous place to be when people don't know how to handle the weather conditions. Even if you do know how, stay the heck home! It's not worth playing bumper cars with the dingalings who drive like it's just a little rain. Glad you had fun at concert number 2. Who did you see this time? Get well soon!

Originally Posted by paulabob

star Sorry you are getting sick..

Cheryl Brrrr, that sounds cold! I also LOVE pumpkin sausage soup...but my family does not so don't make it often.

128 this morning. Basically no progress this week...but then I didn't really do many low calorie days. I might need to pick up some hhcg to help me out. I'll try another week before doing that...hate how hhcg gives me killer ovulation pains + worse breast tenderness.

Maybe just try straight Atkins for a while. I see you started out there, as did I. I am doing well on it since I went back and I'm enjoying every minute of it. Pardon the pun (to all you cat lovers out there,) but to quote my dear-old-departed Dad, "There's more than one way to skin a cat."

If hcg makes you feel terrible, why on earth take it? There's way more options out there. The whole point of all of this is to get healthy and feel good! Don't do it if that's how it makes you feel.

Speaking of soup, I posted two soup recipes on my journal today and they both ROCK. Go check them out, y'all.

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Good Morning! Down .6! mini, you should have seen the stares and compliments I got at our A.A. meeting last night. It felt good and was hilarious! I thought of that too...the weight range for my height is 129-174 according to this site Healthy Weight Calculator - Find your Healthy Weight Range - myOptumHealth which is what I've seen on more than one site. However, it states that my husband, who is 6'0" has a weight range of 136-184. WTH??? That can't be right. I'm hanging in and may stop at 145 (I want out of the 150's) then I can start exercising and toning up.

A woman at my work, who's very insecure almost seemed angry when I told her I'm headed toward a 6 (because she's also in a 6 and is shorter than me). She is always trying to copy me, thinks we are in a competition and I wouldn't be surprised if she went down to a 4. She made a big deal of the fact that I'm four inches taller than her too. And??? She's a trip, is 52 and looks fantastic, but I don't compliment her too much because she fishes for them and then puts herself down. I can't seem to find many 6 Longs and I figure it's because most women my height are in an 8 or 10. I got 6 M and the length is long enough and no concern of them being floods.

Have a great day everyone!

That's a wide weight range for you and seems awfully low for DH. I think the perfect weight range for each of us is highly individual. I feel great at 140 yet I'm only 5'4". It's been soooo many years since I was down that low that I'm just guessing that's where I want to "land." But I'll decide what feels and looks right when I get there. And I WILL get there.

You know what would be fun? Tell that woman who likes to copy and compete with you that you are a 4! Hehehehe. (Or rather, "Mwahahahaha!") That'll teach her. You don't have to show her proof. Just mess with her mind and enjoy the experience. (Ever watch "The Office"?)

[minimonkey]

Cheryl, I am NOT posting a picture of my gooshy butt on the internet, no matter how much you refuse to believe me...lolol!

I think ten pounds from here ought to do it.... any remaining goosh can be replaced slowly with muscle as I go. If I really get to 95 and still think there is weight to lose, I'll re-think it, but I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. At 95, I really should be pretty lean.... I have to remember that 10 lbs is a lot on my little frame.

[minimonkey]

Cheryl -- yes, apparently that is true, about the fatty muscles. It was the wisdom of the 80s that cardio and low fat would make you lean out, but it turns out not to be very true... what you ended up with were a lot of people who dropped to ridiculously low/unhealthy weights, but still had a lot of intramuscular fat -- but who lost structural fat, and ended up looking way too thin in the face, and such.

That's why so many people ended up getting fat despite dieting and doing cardio, or had to stay at increasing starvation levels just to maintain... or so I have read, in any case.

It does correspond with what Nola posted about spinning as an exercise....

[minimonkey]

I think that also led a lot of people to the idea that they would "bulk up" if they exercised -- they did have bulky muscles, but it wasn't muscle density. Some of the mid to late 90s FIRM tapes are testament to this ... the instructors have gotten fairly bulky over the years, despite exercising like crazy women....

Truly dense, lean muscles take up very little space -- and it takes a ton of work to get those kind of muscles to grow and get bigger.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by mdolph

Cheryl, I hit advanced just for you1

Seriously though, I'm loving your barn work talk. We sold and/or put all our animals (bunnies included) in the freezer last month. We just needed a break for the winter and time to work on the fencing and pins. We'll start fresh with all new babies in the spring. I hate doing barn chores in the winter and with DH working such long hours and my issues I'm trying to work on I begged for the winter off. Keep the stories coming!

Paula, who doesn't love pumpkin sausage soup? My whole family loves it and my 4 year old had a fit when I bowled some up for grandma's house. I do add extra seasoning and of course a little extra sausage, some kale and triple the pumpkin and water. So it's a bit of a change up. I can't wait to get it out for lunch today. It's always better the next day!

Violet- WOOT! WtG on the size 6! That's where I'm at for the most part. i might be able to go down to a 4. I hate that stupid BMI thing though. DH is also 6 foot at at 183 he looks sickly. For me it says 122-164. I'm sitting at 139 today and I'm told I look too thin.

Mini- Kudos on the class!

I also lose in spurts. Like it'll be nothing then bam it's gone! I hate that as One time I bought a pair of pants which the fit was amazing. And 2 days later they were too big!

More personals latta!

DH is working for another hour so I'm going to get a run in. We're hitting an ice sculputre festival today and then going sledding. I have all my soups and cocoa's ready and the kids are bouncing off the wall with excitement. Just need daddy! My weight was great considering TOM is here. 149.2! I'll take it. I treated myself to a lowcarb english muffin with sugar free orange marmalade for breakfast and a 1/2 of a grapefruit. A total of 175 calories of yumminess. Hmmm, I should have added some coconut oil in there too. I need the fat to keep me warm being outside all day!

See? I knew you could do it! I hear you about barn animal care in the dead of winter and I'm glad you have a full freezer. I would find that hard, but I guess when you are a true farm person, you get used to that. It's all good. I will indeed keep talking about the farm experiences. I'm loving it!

I hope you enjoyed your run! How do you dress when running in the cold weather? I still want that pumpkin sausage soup recipe! Sounds so good. If you want, just look over the sausage and kale soup recipe I posted on my journal today and just tell me how the pumpkin recipe differs. Also interested in the s/f orange marmalade recipe if that is homemade. (Don't know what I'd put it on, without bread in my life!) How do you make the LC english muffins? Do you use carbquick or do you have a recipe for those, too? I want them all.

Originally Posted by nola baxter

lol..well it does make me smile when you apologize for posting so much!
I am sure no one minds- and probably the complete opposite!

You fat loss journey with all the gushy stages is fascinating- and probably really good for the record for people who might have a similar experience..

Who knows, at some point it may become me?!

Caught ya! Had to do it, since we were just talking about typos. Just that once! I'll be good now. I hope the gooshies don't come your way.

Originally Posted by star a.d.

thanks! it's here, and it sucks.

so thanks, I assume, to two nights of rocking out at shows (lol), and the sickness, I'm still at 215. stupid body. I feel like garbage so I'm going to pretty much do a coconut milk in coffee/tea day, as I'm sure I won't care to eat since I can barely taste anything now anyway.

anyone got the world's smallest violin for me?

Get well fast! It sucks to be sick. I've had more colds this season than I've had in the past two prior ones. I hope I'm done for this winter. I can't imagine doing farm stuff when sick. I hope you can at least drop a few lbs from your lack of hunger and inability to taste! Gotta have something good come from this, right? Go ahead and use a full-sized violin.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Star -- glad you had so much fun rockin' out, but sorry to hear it got the better of you
Coconut milk fasts tend to drop the pounds really fast for me, so maybe that'll not only help your throat, but the scale, too.

Thanks for the comments about my art.... yeah, the figurative ones are intended to be disturbing, and it is good that they are.

Nola -- thanks for saying that about all my posts... sometimes I feel like I am just rambling on and on and on... but you're right... I love searching other old posts for just that kind of information.

I've never tried Coconut Milk. Do you think I could get away with that when VCO makes me bump up and retain over 2 lbs? I'm not taking any chances until I hear what y'all have to say about that.

About your figurative work having the intention of disturbing, is it something that can be figured out by the one looking at it or is it not supposed to be understood? Help me to understand.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Violet -- whoooohooo on blowing everyone's heads away with your SIZE SIX jeans!!!!!!!!!!

If you have trouble finding longs, maybe I can send you the parts I have to cut off all my jeans to make them fit, and you can sew them to the bottom of yours??? lol.

I looked at that weight page you listed... it likes BIG ranges! It said I could weigh from 95 to 128 at my height.... hello? That is more than a 30 lb range! Wow!

And as for your husband's weight... my 6 foot sweetie was just at 140 a few weeks ago, and looked utterly sick and horrible... so that is definitely wrong!

That's funny! Yeah, just add a foot of material to each leg of your jeans, Violet, and make it look like it's designed that way!

Mini, how is your honey doing? You haven't mentioned him much since you were asking what he could be eating to put on some weight. Is he healthier now? What has he found to eat that isn't too much work?

Originally Posted by minimonkey

My low from yesterday stuck!!! I am the same today... and given how flippin' sore my arms are, that is pretty miraculous. I wasn't even going to get on the scale, but am glad I did.

Only minor soreness elsewhere, but my arms and chest are definitely feeling it today -- that's a pretty killer arms set, and a ton of pushups and reverse pushups as well.... so I earned the soreness.

It's protein for me today, and some fat ....emphasis on the protein, though.

I'm sore, too. This farm stuff is going to get me into good shape. And then when I start riding, look out world! Sexy Cheryl is coming out!

I have to stop these personals for now. My pork shoulder just came out and I'm about to start scarffing! Woohoo! Will report how it was when I'm done, and then pick back up where I left off.

Forgive the typos and errors cause as of right now, I don't care!

[CherylB]

Okay. Pork roast eaten! It tastes great but it's not "fall off the bone" the way I remember it. Maybe it's the cut of roast. I think the last ones said "butt shoulder." This one just said "shoulder." Do I really want to eat something from a deformed pig?

Originally Posted by mdolph

Having a great day with the kiddos! Managed to get my run in then some sledding. Came back home for lunch and now my husband is napping while I bathe kids and play princess with my daughter (hair, makeup and nails). She made her first solo run down the sledding hill. I'm pretty proud as she was so afraid! It's a pretty big hill!

I love reading how everyone makes hhcg work for them. Gives me hope that I can somehow incorportate this into a regular thing even after I hit goal.

Ok, now it's time to get everyone moving for the ice sculpture show and then we're going out to dinner! Yes, no dishes!

Right on, little girl! It's empowering to overcome fears! I'd be proud of her, too. Sounds like a totally fun-filled, perfect day. Yea!!

Originally Posted by tay65

I HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST 30 LBS!!!! WOO HOOO! I'm so happy! It was totally unexpected too.
BBL I have to go to the store for more steak! LOL

Yippee!! That's amazing, Tammy! Even with all the stress and emotions you've been under, you made this happen.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Here's a different page for height/weight/BMI recommendations, that gives several different formulas.... at least it is a different perspective...

Better Ideal Weight Body Calculations

I went there and it still gives like a 30 lb spread. It says 111 is my low end. I'd be "scrappy" (as you like to say) and my family would be having me committed. I don't think anything under 130 is even in the realm of possibility. Time will tell!

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Mini, I'm between heights so mine says 143 or 145 depending on 1/2 inch. I had set my goal as 147 - so maybe I will go down a bit from there if I do another round later. Hmmmm. I was at that weight and higher in high school LOL.

Do you think I should take into acct the extra skin I'm carrying after weighing 100 pounds more! That's gotta be a few pounds right there if I cared to do the reduction surgery at 12k just for the lower

Ouch! That's a lot of money. One of my sisters had a full-body lift done. I never inquired how much it cost. I'd love to get some "work done" when I'm all finished losing. We'll see. Maybe I'll land me a sugar daddy!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cheryl, I am NOT posting a picture of my gooshy butt on the internet, no matter how much you refuse to believe me...lolol!

I think ten pounds from here ought to do it.... any remaining goosh can be replaced slowly with muscle as I go. If I really get to 95 and still think there is weight to lose, I'll re-think it, but I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. At 95, I really should be pretty lean.... I have to remember that 10 lbs is a lot on my little frame.

You don't have to "post it"! But you know where I live. I know you won't go too crazy, but I'd still like to see for myself. I'd send YOU pics if it ever comes to that.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cheryl -- yes, apparently that is true, about the fatty muscles. It was the wisdom of the 80s that cardio and low fat would make you lean out, but it turns out not to be very true... what you ended up with were a lot of people who dropped to ridiculously low/unhealthy weights, but still had a lot of intramuscular fat -- but who lost structural fat, and ended up looking way too thin in the face, and such.

That's why so many people ended up getting fat despite dieting and doing cardio, or had to stay at increasing starvation levels just to maintain... or so I have read, in any case.

It does correspond with what Nola posted about spinning as an exercise....

Well, that sucks. Poor peeps who fell for that. I haven't read that post by Nola yet because it was one of the ones I skimmed over and through. I'm going to go back and read it now. Sorry, Nola! I was drowning in posts yesterday with sleeping late and equine care.