Rogues and Alternatives, week of 12/12

[CherylB]

WHAT A MARATHON THAT WAS! I made it through all those posts and I hope I didn't leave anyone out! See what having a refeed does to my energy level? I feel wonderful today. I guess I needed to take a little bit of indulgence. I had really gone under the calorie limit for over a week.

It was cold today! The thermometer in the car said low 40's but I didn't believe it. I went out for a couple of errands but came right back home. I took the dog, knowing I wasn't going on a major shopping spree. I went to Dunkin Donuts for a coffee in their drive-through and the dog was barking. (She thinks all drive throughs result in a biscuit, like at the bank.) I explained to the girl why Cisco was going nuts and she departed and came back with a plain donut for her! I took it so I could feed in to her in small pieces, but as we drove home, I ended up eating half of it! I'm taking her every time I go to get a coffee from now on.

I did a good amount of my Christmas cards tonight (only had 9 stamps) and will buy more stamps tomorrow. I don't always send cards, but sometimes the spirit moves me. I'm still revelling in naughtiness tonight but tomorrow I will drag myself back on plan. No, I'm not thrilled, but I'll do it because nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I'm also going to show up at the stable to see what I can do to help. I'm sure they can put me to work doing something, even having never done an orientation. A willing body and able back and hands will never go to waste when offered.

Goodnight, ladies! I think you all will need a rest from me after this mega round of posts and I need to work on more Christmas cards. God bless you all tonight and may we all wake up to renewed energy and motivation to get to our goals. We are not afraid of success! We are not apprehensive of being smoking-hot women! We can handle it.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by CherylB

What were you quoting? Not sure what I'm getting a high-five for. But thanks!

I am laughing at what you said about being calm to my 2 day stall. The high five is just because it was funny.

[CherylB]

Okay! Thanks for the clarification. Just hate "not knowing."

[Gremom]

Okay, y'all, pain killers kicked in and I got some sleep and some relief. The only one that hurts is the one that was impacted. The others have little to no pain. I knew it was going to be bad, but man, it HURTS!! TOM hasn't kicked into high gear yet, so that is good. Thanks for all you support. You all are the best.

Sorry, I can't do personals, but I am reading up on everything! WTG mini on your new low!

[CherylB]

That's good! Sleep well tonight, Stacey! Bless you!

I just got back from walking the dog off-leash up the road at the local Fish and Game property. I was walking in the dark (not smart, in retrospect) and was walking down a set of stairs leading to one of the ponds. I went to take a step with my left foot and found that the step was gone! I fell through to the ground below, which thankfully was still there.

I hurt my knee (at first) but as we were walking back home, the discomfort was more to my foot. I hope there is no hairline fracture or anything. I need to be able to walk! That'll teach me to go for a walk in the dark "off-road."

[DisneyPrincess]

Hahaha Cheryl- I would have told you my name had you asked

No, no fasting. I did about 36 hours and then went back to my rogue p2. I might weigh tomorrow. We'll see

I'm off to bed. I never realized how much Dh helps in the evenings! I beat. I'm so not looking forward to the next few months/year. Dh will be away training a lot and he leaves in April or may for his 5th deployment. Uggg

[star a.d.]

Originally Posted by Gremom

Hey all!

Just wanted to say hello and let you all know how I am doing whih is terrible!! I would rather give birth!! Tj tooth that was impacted is casing me immense pain and the painkillers aren't doing anything.

Will check in later!

oh no, I hope you get some relief. I had wisdom tooth issues, that that's the only time I've actually cried from pain in my adult life.

I'm back in my window! thank goodness! hope to stay there, today's been a bit salty and a bit gong show-ish foodwise.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Hahaha Cheryl- I would have told you my name had you asked

No, no fasting. I did about 36 hours and then went back to my rogue p2. I might weigh tomorrow. We'll see

I'm off to bed. I never realized how much Dh helps in the evenings! I beat. I'm so not looking forward to the next few months/year. Dh will be away training a lot and he leaves in April or may for his 5th deployment. Uggg

I don't ask because some people prefer to remain anonymous (plus, DP was easy to use and understand.) But "Jackie" makes it more personal. I'll try to remember and use your name. Deployments are so hard. My step daughter has a hubby in the Navy and she had to be "all" to her three children for 6 months at a time, so many times. God bless you all on those deployments, and may there be peace on earth someday. God willing! Let it be.

Originally Posted by star a.d.

I'm back in my window! thank goodness! hope to stay there, today's been a bit salty and a bit gong show-ish foodwise.

WTG!!! Windows rock!

[minimonkey]

Wow -- I step away and do some bird-hutch-cleaning, and you ladies chat up a storm!

LOL about the gong-show food, Star -- that made me chuckle! Good for being back in your window.

I really think I am in for another round of TOM... I mean, talk about the gong show! This one gets a great big gooonnnngggg!

I guess if the scale is up, at least I can blame hormones, eh? I think it is definitely time to get off the hhcg ... I'm going to push this round to goal, and then aim to stay off that stuff for good if I can manage it... I am not sure if it is a player in the hormonal madness, but I suspect it might be.

[minimonkey]

Cheryl -- I really hope you aren't hurt badly! Falls like that are scary, and injuries tend to be worse in the cold, too -- please take care of your leg/foot, elevate it, take ibuprofen, etc. -- I hope it heals very fast!

[minimonkey]

Seeing as how I *am* in the middle of some hormonal strangeness, I am resolving not to freak if the scale bounces around a bit in the next few days. I'd love to see some continued drops in that number, but I won't be derailed if that doesn't happen, either.

I did a chemical peel on my face today (TCA) -- that should help the acne a lot, though it means I will be a bit red and spotty for a week or two. I didn't go very aggressive except on the chin (where the acne outbreak is) ... but I'll definitely have the "post-peel-uglies" all over I think.... that is the price you pay for a good peel, though, and I don't have to be out in the world, so it is a good time to do it.

I was tempted to go more aggressive on the whole face, since I do have time off, but decided to do a couple of milder ones instead.

The next couple of days will be spent doing some deep cleaning of the house, which feels good... it got rather neglected with the workload the last few weeks ... and then I am going to launch into some of the art and writing that I both need and want to get done this break.

I feel like I am mostly on the mend from the cold/flu thing... it was pretty short lived, thankfully, and mild compared to some I've had!

[tay65]

just a quick note. I'm alright. Handling the increased pain with ice and regular pain meds I have. The bee sting wasn't too bad. It was when he TOUCHED the nerves he injected. Hoping I'm feeling much better tomorrow. I hate not being able to carry Chloe and play with her. But I got lots of wet kisses on my cheeks!!!!
I'll be back tomorrow and post personals.
G'Nite!

[DisneyPrincess]

Good morning. I did it! I broke past my set point and am down over a pound today. Finally after being stuck for about 2 weeks now if this is anything like past losses I should continue downward at a pretty steady pace as long as I stick to plan. I'm pretty hopeful of breaking below 110 this week

Mini- I'm sorry about TOM! Uggg. I'm lucky and the hHCG hasnt messed with mine. You are a lot more patient than I would be!

Tay- hope its a better day and you feel better!

Cheryl- yes, deployments are NOT fun or easy at all and as DS is getting older it's getting harder. Dh has been gone for one day and my little one didn't want to go to sleep last night because he couldn't say goodnight to daddy. What's he going to do when he's gone months we find out. Next month if he is defanitly going. I'm praying he doesn't for many obvious reasons, but also because we want another child and I won't even try until he returns

Stars- nice work! Seems like you are stabilizing well

Off to get my coffee and get opened. Have a great morning

[paulabob]

DP (Jackie!) Congrats on the breakthru!

Wow, pages of threads to catch up on. I am sending healing thoughts to all out there with the shot, the dentist, and the flu! So sorry there is so much pain right now.

Down a bit, still above where I want to be. It's OK, I'm plugging along, eating that big breakfast right now! If it can be at all helpful with my sleep issues, it will be worth it. Plus it's so nice having pretty much zero hunger at lunch time. My lunches are about half their normal size.

[Violet_Dream]

Good Morning! R3VLCD17 and I'm UP .2 and I think I know why. Even on P2, I'm very regular (take fiber capsules), but the last few days - I've been backed up.

Yesterday, I reluctantly took 2 herbal laxatives (I don't like doing this and it's not very often) and chewed a ton of sugar-free gum. I'm a gum ho - when the flavor runs out - I get a new piece. I had a talk with my supervisor last week and he also wants to get out of leadership...imagine that? I told him I have 5 applications out within our company (not in leadership) and haven't heard yet, but I probably won't until the postings come down. I've been with the same company for 7 years and this is the 3rd position I've held.

Congratulations to everyone and make it a great day!

[minimonkey]

Morning, all!

DP -- CONGRATS on breaking the set point, and I can't wait for you to break 110 -- that's a big milestone for you!

Violet -- I hear ya about the bernice issues -- I don't much like taking anything for that either, but on p2 sometimes I really need it. Honestly, constipation is bad for the body, and it is healthier to correct it when it happens than to let it linger on too long. As long as you are using laxatives appropriately, it isn't a health risk. I have a magnesium based cleanse that I use in times like that.

[minimonkey]

Paula -- you are one patient woman, and I commend you for that! It'll certainly pay off in the end

I'm catching up here before I go weigh, but I honestly feel and look thinner today, hormones and yesterday's indulgence notwithstanding. I think I am finally getting the inch loss from the last few pounds

Given that, I can say that I think 100 is about the lowest I will want to go -- parts of me are looking pretty bony as it is (hands and forearms in particular are looking very bony) -- and my trouble zones are finally starting to be less troublesome... so I think I am closing in on the home stretch. I haven't tried jeans on again, but I probably will today, if only to slip into a couple of very telling pairs of them....

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cheryl -- I really hope you aren't hurt badly! Falls like that are scary, and injuries tend to be worse in the cold, too -- please take care of your leg/foot, elevate it, take ibuprofen, etc. -- I hope it heals very fast!

The muscle in my calf is sore today but the foot and knee (stuff that hurt right after the fall) feel much better. Just a pulled muscle, thank God. That will teach me to walk around in the dark. I'll take my Mag Lite from now on.

I went into the hot tub last night to try and soak it and I think it helped some. It will be okay. Thanks for the well-wishes. I'm really glad your cold was short-lived.

Originally Posted by tay65

just a quick note. I'm alright. Handling the increased pain with ice and regular pain meds I have. The bee sting wasn't too bad. It was when he TOUCHED the nerves he injected. Hoping I'm feeling much better tomorrow. I hate not being able to carry Chloe and play with her. But I got lots of wet kisses on my cheeks!!!!
I'll be back tomorrow and post personals.
G'Nite!

Ouch! Wet cheek kisses sound interesting. The only wet kisses I get are from Cisco! (My faithful poochy.) I hope you feel much better today and can pick up Chloe again very soon. Just don't push it!

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Good morning. I did it! I broke past my set point and am down over a pound today. Finally after being stuck for about 2 weeks now if this is anything like past losses I should continue downward at a pretty steady pace as long as I stick to plan. I'm pretty hopeful of breaking below 110 this week

Mini- I'm sorry about TOM! Uggg. I'm lucky and the hHCG hasnt messed with mine. You are a lot more patient than I would be!

Tay- hope its a better day and you feel better!

Cheryl- yes, deployments are NOT fun or easy at all and as DS is getting older it's getting harder. Dh has been gone for one day and my little one didn't want to go to sleep last night because he couldn't say goodnight to daddy. What's he going to do when he's gone months we find out. Next month if he is defanitly going. I'm praying he doesn't for many obvious reasons, but also because we want another child and I won't even try until he returns

Stars- nice work! Seems like you are stabilizing well

Off to get my coffee and get opened. Have a great morning

WTG on breaking through your set point! Those are some tough little suckers, aren't they? I'm in the midst of one myself. That would be wonderful if DH didn't have to go! I hope that is the case. That's so darn sweet that your son didn't want to go to bed without saying goodnight to Daddy.

Originally Posted by paulabob

DP (Jackie!) Congrats on the breakthru!

Wow, pages of threads to catch up on. I am sending healing thoughts to all out there with the shot, the dentist, and the flu! So sorry there is so much pain right now.

Down a bit, still above where I want to be. It's OK, I'm plugging along, eating that big breakfast right now! If it can be at all helpful with my sleep issues, it will be worth it. Plus it's so nice having pretty much zero hunger at lunch time. My lunches are about half their normal size.

So, what do you eat at a typical breakfast? I'm going to have to look into this Leptin Reset plan. I should learn what it's all about. I hope it works well for you, Paula!

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Good Morning! R3VLCD17 and I'm UP .2 and I think I know why. Even on P2, I'm very regular (take fiber capsules), but the last few days - I've been backed up.

Yesterday, I reluctantly took 2 herbal laxatives (I don't like doing this and it's not very often) and chewed a ton of sugar-free gum. I'm a gum ho - when the flavor runs out - I get a new piece. I had a talk with my supervisor last week and he also wants to get out of leadership...imagine that? I told him I have 5 applications out within our company (not in leadership) and haven't heard yet, but I probably won't until the postings come down. I've been with the same company for 7 years and this is the 3rd position I've held.

Congratulations to everyone and make it a great day!

Bernice. She can be a real stinker. I hope you get one of those jobs you applied for. Have you worked in any of those departments before? Keep us posted! (No pun intended.)

Back on plan today, ladies. Dragging my feet but doing it anyway. I won't weigh for a week (I hope) just to see a new number when I finally do get on it. It would be so great to see a 5 rather than a 6! The 160's just don't want to let me go. I hope that my three days of eating wildly help reassure my body that all is well and it can trust me not to starve it.

Have an awesome day today, ladies! Hugs all around.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Given that, I can say that I think 100 is about the lowest I will want to go -- parts of me are looking pretty bony as it is (hands and forearms in particular are looking very bony) -- and my trouble zones are finally starting to be less troublesome... so I think I am closing in on the home stretch. I haven't tried jeans on again, but I probably will today, if only to slip into a couple of very telling pairs of them....

Can't wait to hear how those jeans look on you!

[DisneyPrincess]

Good afternoon. Another fairly easy day on the diet front. Hope it m eans another good woosh tomorrow. I can use a nice downward trend for once. I may skip the scale to see a bigger jump, but I'll decide tomorrow I guess.
I've taken out my evening dose of the hHCG the last few days and it seems to be helping. I'm going to leave it out as long as I feel ok.


Mini- why is it our hands get bony first!?! Mine do too and I hate it! Lol
I'm calling goal at about 103. I'd like to maintain right under 105. Dh likes a little curves and at that weight I can fit into all my clothes just fine

Violet- I drink smooth move tea about 2-3 times a week while on a diet. It always helps move things along

Nice work Paula

Going to go do some work while the kids are napping.

[minimonkey]

DUDES! DUDETTES! I am down another .8, for 107.8!!! YAHOOOOOOO!

I don't know about the hands, Disney -- I definitely get bony in some places before I am done losing in others, and it's annoying.

It's a good thing I like vascularity in muscle-women, because I get it in a big way when I am lean and lifting ... veins everywhere! They freaked me out at first, but now I like them, and miss them when they are gone.

I'm still shooting for 100, though even I realize I will be pretty thin in my upper body at that weight. Then I will be motivated to build up some muscle, though ... and that is a good thing.

I have to drop that low to start really showing definition in my legs, and I really, really want that. I also really want my darn 6 pack, lol! My stomach is pretty flat right now, but I have a ways to go on building my muscles back up -- thankfully, that is the easy part for me... losing the fat is the hard part.

Still, I think in another 8 lbs or so, even I will be able to see that I am lean enough.. and I am my own worst critic.

It's just hard to get the old, old voices and height/weight formulas out of my head... the ones that said I should weigh 95 or less... know what I mean? Those old formulas didn't account for muscle building, though, and I need to remember that.

Hee hee, I am looking forward to trying on jeans today

And, it is another fat fast day for this little monkey. I will ride that one as far as I possibly can!!!

[CherylB]

What a roll you are on, Mini! Amazing! You were definitely stuck at a set point above 110. It's just falling off of you now! KUDOS!

[minimonkey]

Thanks, Cheryl! I'm really excited about this. Patience does pay off eventually where stalls are concerned... but man is the process frustrating sometimes!

I hope I can just ride this thing on down to goal without hitting another stall point... I guess time will tell.

Welcome back to p2 Cheryl... today's the day, right?

[DisneyPrincess]

Woohoo mini !! You rock

[minimonkey]

This is the part of the weight loss journey where I start to really see my trouble areas change, too... my legs and butt lose during this last 5 to 10 lbs... so that will really make a difference in how I feel about myself and how my body looks. I have short legs for my overall frame, and they tend to look rather stumpy unless I am pretty thin everywhere else... but every lb under 110 makes a big difference in my trouble zones.

I'm hopeful that the transition to p3 will be an easier one this time, since it won't involve such an extreme dietary change... I am already eating low carb/high fat, and the calories are higher than they were when I hit goal the first time... so it won't be such a big shift for my body to handle.

I'm also definitely not as depleted as I was the first time I was at this weight, early in the year. I've been doing the rogue p2 a lot longer, but the higher fat version doesn't deplete my body nearly as much as the low fat version did.... so that is a big difference too.

Unless I stall out again, I am still shooting for 100 lbs as a goal... and I may drop just under it so I can use that as a ldw/maintenance number. I actually think it is within the totally reasonable and healthy range for me, and I'd prefer to be a little on the thin side than to err the other direction.

[CherylB]

Yep! Today is indeed the day. I had three days of fun and now I'm back on track. I'm going to wait as long as I can to weigh, so I can see a good number when I do stand on that scale. I don't need to know what these past 3 days have done. Much of it's water anyway.

Mini, how much did you say your locks weigh? I would still factor that in when you decide what weight to land on for goal. I know you always wear them, but if they weigh 5 lbs, that means you would actually be under your height/weight chart "of old".

[DisneyPrincess]

I totally understand what you mean about now how every pound shows. I'm starting to slowly get there. Once I hit 107 I really see a change and anything under that is huge for me.

I'm so excited for you! I know you are going to maintain very well, I can feel it! Here's to hoping its smooth sailing (for both of us) to goal!

[DisneyPrincess]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Yep! Today is indeed the day. I had three days of fun and now I'm back on track. I'm going to wait as long as I can to weigh, so I can see a good number when I do stand on that scale. I don't need to know what these past 3 days have done. Much of it's water anyway.

Mini, how much did you say your locks weigh? I would still factor that in when you decide what weight to land on for goal. I know you always wear them, but if they weigh 5 lbs, that means you would actually be under your height/weight chart "of old".

Good luck today Cheryl. One day behind you will make a huge difference

[minimonkey]

Cheryl -- my locks weight about 4 lbs I think, all told.... but I am basing my goal on what I see in the mirror as well as what the scale says. Point taken, though. What I really need to do is get those stupid old numbers out of my head altogether.

In any case 100 lbs is a safe enough number, even if the hair weighs 5 lbs... I am still within the safe and healthy range. Remember that my frame is like a skeleton made of toothpicks, lol!

Disney, I feel optimistic about maintenance this time too -- I think I've been doing the p2 long enough that I have totally changed my framework about food, and I think that is a good thing.

Cheryl -- I bet that weight comes right back off almost overnight for you -- your body is amazing that way! Weigh in when you feel ready ... there's no hurry to do that. We are all cheering you on as you go

[CherylB]

Thanks for that vote of confidance, Mini! And thanks, Jackie. I think I'll be okay with sticking to plan now. I've sowed my wild oats and will remember yesterday for a long time.

I'm going to eat more of a LC hcg round for the next week and see where it takes me. I'll still only eat about one meal a day and keep calories low, but will allow myself some fat. If that plan will work for me, I can do it much longer and maybe ride this round all the way to goal, sometime in January.