Rogues and Alternatives, week of 12/5

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by star a.d.

sweet dreams, cheryl!

do you know what time the eclipse is supposed to happen?

I'm sorry. I didn't read this until today. I hope you googled it and got to see it! It was mainly a west coast event. I posted something with details on one of my threads. I thought it was this one. (?)

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I am just socked out today -- cold here full force, and I am doing a lot of nothing. I made it through the day with just my breakfast and am still thinking I will fast tomorrow if I can handle it... I feel so lousy as it is, I won't be doing much of use anyhow unless things turn around.

Wishing everyone a good night and whooshes in the morning.

And yes, stock up on that hhcg now, ladies. If it doesn't get pulled, we'll be extra prepared... and assuming it does go away, we'll be glad we stocked up.

Do you mean the cold outside and in the loft or do you have an actual "cold"? I didn't realize you were sick. One of my sisters is really sick with it right now, too. I hope you get better soon!

In regard to buying more hhcg, I don't know if I'd ever use them even if I bought more. I have two opened bottles of pellets that are at least half full each (I keep on in my purse) and two unopened bottles. I'm only 22 lbs from goal and I'm certain this is my final hcg round. I don't want to go nuts. I'll give it some thought, though. We all should.

Originally Posted by tay65

hello everyone! Been MIA a couple days, but dont think anyone noticed! LOL
I have some terrible cramping now! Too soon for TOM, but probably gonna happen bc I went off the hHCG. I'm stocking up on the drops too. Doing LC and keeping calories down. Gained a few pounds, but staying pretty stable the last couple days.
I wish I could see the red moon! Geeze!
I had another car issue yesterday. I was riding down the road & ppl were honking horns and a lady was yelling to me! All I understood was the word "gas". I pulled over and went to the passenger side and gas was SPRAYING out of my car!!!! So, there was a fire rescue truck, a big fire truck and a cop car there!!!! Had to call roadside asst for a tow and hubby & his friend came to get me and my son. We stood out in 30* weather waiting about 30 mins. The firemen pushed my car into the median bc my car was too far on the road. It was crazy! But......only cost us $55 for a new bracket! We dodged that one! and lost about 1/4 tank of gas along side the road. Coulda been worse!
Well, off to bed now!

What a story! I'm so glad it didn't end up costing you too much. You must have had such a look on your face when people in cars were honking and yelling at you! I can just imagine how I'd react if that were me!

You are a valued member of our little rogue community. Don't you ever think that you aren't missed when you're MIA.

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Good morning. Well I'm feeling better mostly. My tummy hurts because Bernise hasn't visited since my binge. I'm going to take something for it tonight probably.

Faced the scale and only up a tiny bit from my siggy weight. Yay! I have exactly 14 diet days left so besides my meal out tonight I plan on just hitting this hardcore. I probably won't weigh again for a few days but when I do I hoping to be under 110. That's my goal this week. I hope to be around 106-107 in the next 2 weeks, so that's about 5-6 pounds. Totally doable

Off to run. We are taking son to see Santa today, then it's date night!!

Enjoy your date (with hubby AND Santa!) Glad you're feeling much better, too.

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Good Morning! R3VLCD14 and I'm down TWO pounds - to 162.2! OH YEAH BABY!!! I already have a game plan for my re-feed on Christmas Day. No carbs, no dessert and the only indulgence I'm having other than upping my protein for that day is cream in my coffee. I was going to ask my husband to make me a LC cheesecake, but decided against it. Someone asked me yesterday where the rest of me was and someone else said I should be careful not to get too thin.

Yesterday, I was moving some stuff around on my desk at work and came across a group picture from a volunteer event we did on May 17th of this year (only three weeks before I began hhcg). I couldn't stop staring at myself in the picture because I was 225.6!!! Someone came over and looked at it too. They told me how wonderful I look and that I've done an amazing job. I LOVE it!!! When I get to goal, I need to get all my rings re-sized because they're all too big.

The holidays are about gathering with family and friends - not eating. Gotta run...have a wonderful day ladies and congratulations to all of us!

Nice whoosh! Isn't it amazing when you see your former self in pictures? I wish I could gather up all the ones that have been taken of me at my worst and have a ceramonial bon-fire. I just might do that someday.

I think the holidays are for gathering together, but unfortunately, it's all about the food, too. We spend 80% of our time around the table on days like that. I wish we didn't but we do. We need some new traditions. Incorporate some game-playing into it. Put cards in our hands instead of forks!

"Don't you get too skinny, now!" I won't be hearing that anytime soon. (I shouldn't say that. Yes I will be hearing that!!!)

Originally Posted by goddesslynne

DP, sounds great!! I love coming here and reading your success!! You're totally going to do this!!

Stephanie, I'm so very happy for you!! Don't you love it when people say "don't get too thin"? I was hearing that a couple of times, way back when. Can't wait to hear it again!!

I had a nice, light dinner and was rewarded with another .5 off!! I think I'll have the same thing tonight!!

Nice to see you today, Lynne! Glad you are doing well. KUTGW!

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Woohoo! Nice job ladies

I had an awesome run. Just over 5 miles. I felt great the whole run. Downing a protein shake and heading to take our son to see Santa and finish our shopping. Hope everyone has a great day

Glad you got to run and enjoy it! Hope you have a great day, too.

Originally Posted by HexaTheAmazon

Well, Thursday I did not go to the gym but I did walk 22 blocks and did a 10 minute core workout and yesterday my weight was the same. Yesterday weight trained at the gym, drank my BCAA and today I am down 1.4 pounds.

I seems that my body responds with the HCG when I exercise. Strange. It seems if I don't do vigorous exercise I don't lose. I thought the HCG is supposed to make you lose whether you exercise or not. Maybe my metabolism is so slowwwwww that it needs the exercise in conjunction with the HCG to lose. Yikes

I have noticed this pattern but now it seems to be a reality. Dang it. I guess the increased exercise will have to reset my metabolism

Oh well At least I can exercise and lose so I am grateful.

Well, if that's so about needing to exercise to lose on hcg, you are the lucky one! If it happened to me, however, I'd be back on Atkins. Anything to avoid sweating.

Originally Posted by paulabob

Down 1.2 to 127.8, still 2.2 above where I want to be. Waist is up 1/2 an inch from last week...that tends to be my body's reaction to "maintenance".

Tay, glad you dodged a bullet with your car. We dodged a bullet with the plumbing. Our neighbor's son-in-law living with them is a plumber's apprentice...did the work for free and wouldn't take a dime. They know about Craig's almost two years unemployment. Good people, we're so appreciative! Would have cost $1500 + from a plumbing firm. And YEAH, I get to do laundry and dishes today. NOT having water makes me appreciate actually having it!

Going to try to keep my weight in check this afternoon. We're having Steak N Shake for lunch to celebrate DS's making all-regionals in band.

Steak N Shake? Hope it's good! That's spectacular news about the neighbor's son!!! What a gift from God! Give that boy a nice present for Christmas to show how much he saved your bacon. Apprentices are used to working for nothing, but still. What an amazing gift.

I know what you mean about glorying in getting a utility back after having to live without it! when I lost power (and consequently water and heat) for 3 days during our pre-halloween freak snow storm), I was so miserable. I was one of the lucky ones, though. Three days was NOTHING compared to what 10's of thousands of others went through.

As for me, down 0.2 today. That milk of mag yesterday really helped me out. I had no idea I needed it as much as I did. (TMI) I got a call a few minutes ago. My glasses (that weren't supposed to come in until next Thrusday) are ready to be picked up!!! I will have them before the sun sets today. So that means I will have them tomorrow at my Equine Care Workshop for that 2 hour class in the afternoon.

After that class, I should be volunteering there! I will give them my paperwork and talk with the lady who does the volunteer scheduling and hopefully they will have a need for something in the late morning/early afternoons. If not, I will work outside of my comfort zone. I know that the majority of horse care must happen in the mornings, but we shall see.

Wish me luck! Going to go get my glasses now. Thank you LORD!

[minimonkey]

Wow, Tay! Sure glad your car didn't burst into flames! You came out of that one with an inexpensive repair, too -- what a blessing ... but very scary all around.

TOM often comes unbidden for me when I stop the pellets too - hope that is over with soon and is an easy one.

[minimonkey]

Great news about the horse volunteership Cheryl!

And whoohoo for the good run and good workouts, Disney and Hexa --

Oh, and yes, I do have a cold. I've been down with it for a few days -- it is fairly miserable.

I'm wondering if the cold meds as well as being sick are contributing to being stalled -- I know that can happen.


I haven't weighed yet today, but am not too optimistic -- I still appear to have a fair amount of water retention going on, even though TOM is basically gone.

I will go do that in just a minute, though -- I'm on the fence about another fat fast day, or maybe a total fast today. My hunger levels are pretty tolerable at the moment so fasting really might be an option.

I'm tired of being stalled, and a fast might help break that ... but then again, I wasn't as diligent last week as I planned to be, so it isn't too surprising that the scale didn't move.

Will be back with today's number in just a few.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Great news about the horse volunteership Cheryl!

And whoohoo for the good run and good workouts, Disney and Hexa --

Oh, and yes, I do have a cold. I've been down with it for a few days -- it is fairly miserable.

I'm wondering if the cold meds as well as being sick are contributing to being stalled -- I know that can happen.


I haven't weighed yet today, but am not too optimistic -- I still appear to have a fair amount of water retention going on, even though TOM is basically gone.

I will go do that in just a minute, though -- I'm on the fence about another fat fast day, or maybe a total fast today. My hunger levels are pretty tolerable at the moment so fasting really might be an option.

I'm tired of being stalled, and a fast might help break that ... but then again, I wasn't as diligent last week as I planned to be, so it isn't too surprising that the scale didn't move.

Will be back with today's number in just a few.

Sorry about your cold I hope that you feel better. Mini, there is something in Simeon's protocol that states when you have lost enough fat the HCG becomes ineffective. I will try to find it. I could be misquoting it. Be right back....

[HexaTheAmazon]

When abnormal fat is no longer being put into circulation either because it has been consumed or because immunity has set in, this is always felt by the patient as sudden, intolerable and constant hunger. In this sense, the HCG method is completely self-limiting. With HCG it is impossible to reduce a patient, however enthusiastic, beyond his normal weight. As soon as no more abnormal fat is being issued, the body starts consuming normal fat,

Maybe you have reached your ideal weight and the body is refusing to lose more because your abnormal fat is gone Just a thought.

[minimonkey]

Hexa -- I know, I've heard that too -- but I did drop below this weight on my first round, and I think I could have kept going. I do believe I still have abnormal fat to lose, particularly by the standards set in Simeons' day...

Scale was nice to me today! 110 even. Now I am only .4 away from my pre-TOM low, and hoping to blast right through that.

I'm doing another fat fast day, given today's scale success.

I am also definitely starting to see some inch loss when I look in the mirror-- particularly in my thighs and butt, where I need it most -- so I'm happy on that front today.

I will try on some jeans later and see how they are fitting.

[minimonkey]

The immunity issue is a different matter, though -- that could be the problem.

Or, maybe I want to be below my body's ideal weight -- I am willing to consider that ... in which case I guess I have to do it the old-fashioned way, lol --- in any event, I want to be at 105 at the most .. and preferably a bit below that. I'd probably be willing to throw in the towel at 105 as long as I could maintain that weight.

My hunger yesterday wasn't bad, and so far today is looking good on that front too -- so I am going to keep doing what is working.

[DisneyPrincess]

good afternoon. Well went to take DS to see Santa and he was on lunch Kyle was so upset he started crying. Poor guy. We are going to take him tomorrow instead. Hes napping now and I have some work to do before we go out tonight. Im keeping it low carb. CAlories will probably be up a bit but my 5 mile run this morning should help.
Going to read back

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

good afternoon. Well went to take DS to see Santa and he was on lunch Kyle was so upset he started crying. Poor guy. We are going to take him tomorrow instead. Hes napping now and I have some work to do before we go out tonight. Im keeping it low carb. CAlories will probably be up a bit but my 5 mile run this morning should help.
Going to read back

Oh NO! Scarred for life. (Just kidding) I don't blame him for crying. They should have a Santa to fill in when the other one goes to lunch. That's too funny. He should just stay on the job and eat his cookies and milk like all good Santa's do.

Mini, 110 on the nose is very good! Happy for you, my friend. Immunity could indeed be at play. I always heard that didn't happen with the homeopathic kind but who knows?

Went shopping again today. My eye glasses were ready (took only 2 days instead of 7-10 so I was thrilled!) so I drove down there to get them. Being already at Walmart, naturally I bought a few more things. Then I hit three more stores and finally got home again. I'm spending money like I have it to spend and it's scaring me. It has to end, TODAY. Whatever else I don't have and may want and/or need will have to wait until January.

Hope everyone is having a good day today. Mini, I hope your cold leaves asap. I wish you had heat in your loft! I'll bet you do, too.

[DisneyPrincess]

I agree Cheryl. It was so upsetting! Kyle was so excited to sit on his lap and tell him what he wants. We promised we'd go tomorrow. Dh is trying to teach him to say he wants a red rider bb gun

I'm SO excited for our date night. Me and Dh haven't been out alone in ages. And we have FREE daycare for Kyle with a coupon. I love living on base!

I'm spending too much money too Cheryl, and dinner and our movie tonight wont be cheap. I have 2 more Christmas gifts to buy and I'm done!

Mini- nice! I simply can't even wait to get under 110. I'm making a vow to stay there until I get pregnant!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

I agree Cheryl. It was so upsetting! Kyle was so excited to sit on his lap and tell him what he wants. We promised we'd go tomorrow. Dh is trying to teach him to say he wants a red rider bb gun

I'm SO excited for our date night. Me and Dh haven't been out alone in ages. And we have FREE daycare for Kyle with a coupon. I love living on base!

I'm spending too much money too Cheryl, and dinner and our movie tonight wont be cheap. I have 2 more Christmas gifts to buy and I'm done!

Mini- nice! I simply can't even wait to get under 110. I'm making a vow to stay there until I get pregnant!

Too cute! Have a fabulous night out with your hubby! May it be the first of many. I haven't balanced my checkbook yet. I'm skeeeerd!

[minimonkey]

Disney -- oh, my goodness, the Santa thing is heartbreaking! So sorry to hear about that!

Cheryl -- I do that with money sometimes too, and it completely boggles the mind. It is amazing how we can over-ride reality with justifications and denial, isn't it?

I notice that I spend money for all the wrong reasons sometimes -- definitely emotional spending... which is terrible when you don't actually have it to spare.

Man, I am SOCKED OUT today -- sleeping, and more sleeping. I'm sure it is end of semester fatigue and the cold combined, and I probably really need it, but it is keeping me from getting done the things that need done, too. Not really happy about that. A bit of it may be depression creeping in around the edges as well -- I can keep it at bay when I am forced to function, but when I am not... bam, it hits me.

Enough of my whining, though. I am on track for a perfectly on plan fat fast day, and hoping to see yet another drop into new low territory tomorrow ... and that feels good. I'm hoping that I can get on one of those streaks I occasionally have where the lbs just keep falling off ... I am due for one I think. Eventually my body is going to get the message that I am not stopping this until it drops a bunch more lbs.

At least I can say this for the slow losing -- I suspect I will have a much easier time at maintenance. I've gotten so used to a low calorie way of life, and watching everything I eat, that it is second nature to me now. I don't think there will be much temptation to go back to eating unconsciously when I hit goal. I think I have genuinely made a lifestyle change that is going to stick.

[CherylB]

I'm sorry you feel so drained today, Mini. Your poor body! I'm sure that when you get to goal, you will be so accustomed to eating sensibly that binging won't ever be a problem for you again. I pray that is true for all of us. (Not sure if you were ever a binge-eater but I was/am.)

I hope the depression stays at bay. I know how much harder depression makes life seem. (Not just "seem".) You'll have to find some other purpose until school begins again. You know what triggers it, so try to circumvent it!

[minimonkey]

I've never been much of a binge eater, Cheryl, but I do tend to have a large appetite in general, so I fight against that. The only times I really binged were when I was in recovery from the eating disorder in high school -- and that phase was pretty short lived.

Otherwise, it is just normal daily struggles to avoid all the crap that most people eat all the time. I do tend to want to over-eat more after periods of restricting, but that is a totally normal pattern for any dieter.

I've had a life long battle with depression -- it runs on both sides of my family. It is a lot less severe now than when I was younger, but I still have to stay on top of it so it doesn't creep in without my noticing it.

I am weirdly not hungry today -- I think maybe I finally got the hhcg dosage right, by decreasing it dramatically. Something is really helping, in any event, and I am grateful for that.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

The immunity issue is a different matter, though -- that could be the problem.

Or, maybe I want to be below my body's ideal weight -- I am willing to consider that ... in which case I guess I have to do it the old-fashioned way, lol --- in any event, I want to be at 105 at the most .. and preferably a bit below that. I'd probably be willing to throw in the towel at 105 as long as I could maintain that weight.

My hunger yesterday wasn't bad, and so far today is looking good on that front too -- so I am going to keep doing what is working.

You're body could be experiencing some resistance. Hopefully it will break soon. Congrats on the 110!! That's great I know you must be happy about that.

Well, went to the gym and ran today. It was great. Hill interval and did near 3 miles. I love exercising (once I am finished of course..) Otherwise, sometimes I am dreading it all the way to the gym.

How are your locks doing, Mini. I have mine up in a bun at the moment. Thinking of doing something special to them for Christmas

[minimonkey]

My locks are looking pretty good, Hexa! They always look a little too manicured when I first take a crochet hook to them, but they are mellowing out and getting some nice fuzziness now, and the extension ends are looking more natural as well.

I wear mine in a bun most of the time - it keeps them out of my way and out of plaster, clay, food, etc.

Great job with the workout too -- that sounds intense!

I am hoping to see another day of TOM drop -- that's a common pattern for me, so maybe I will actually see a loss from the pre-TOM weight... if not, that's ok, but it sure would be nice.

[minimonkey]

My body has definitely been resisting any further losses for a while -- I've had to fight hard for every ounce lost this round... but I've done the fighting, and will continue to do it as long as is necessary....

Just really hoping I can establish a new set point and stabilize well this time -- if I can, it'll all be worth it in the end.

[star a.d.]

I'm still waiting for my TOM drop! still at the very top of my window, which I'm TRYING not to get bummed out about (and not succeeding). I think other things in my life are catastrophizing the weight, you know? straw, meet camel's back. sigh.

[minimonkey]

Star -- I SO completely hear you on that one! I've got a ton of huge life stressors at the moment, and it is so much easier to focus on the minutiae than on the big things I can't control.... I think it is good to have some recognition about what is happening, though, so you can keep an eye on it.

I am a person who gets bizarrely obsessive about small things when the big things are too much to face... as long as I realize that is what I am doing, I can keep it from becoming a problem. If I lose sight of it, then I am in a danger zone....

[minimonkey]

It always takes my body a few days to get the TOM drop from the time TOM starts winding down, too... and it usually happens over the course of a couple of days at least.... so yours is likely coming along very soon.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by star a.d.

I'm still waiting for my TOM drop! still at the very top of my window, which I'm TRYING not to get bummed out about (and not succeeding). I think other things in my life are catastrophizing the weight, you know? straw, meet camel's back. sigh.

Have you tried doing a little cardio??

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

My body has definitely been resisting any further losses for a while -- I've had to fight hard for every ounce lost this round... but I've done the fighting, and will continue to do it as long as is necessary....

Just really hoping I can establish a new set point and stabilize well this time -- if I can, it'll all be worth it in the end.

I am sure once you are finished with this round you will establish a set point. It will be good to be able to speak with you about your exercise routine.

[minimonkey]

I actually feel a lot more optimistic about stabilizing this time around Hexa -- mainly because I am eating high fat as I go, so it won't be such a huge dietary change moving to p3. I think I have a much better idea of how much food my body needs to function overall.

The slower losses are helping, too -- I'm not going through as much of a head spin with body image because the changes are more gradual, so I don't feel so disoriented in my skin. AND my skin, speaking of that, looks a lot better this time around because it has had time to adjust as I go.

Yes, it has been frustrating... and yes, I have almost quit altogether on a number of occasions, but I am feeling pretty solid in my commitment to finish this job, and get on to some fitness goals.

I'm really, really hoping to see at least 105 by the beginning of the year... and I am willing to pull out whatever big guns are necessary for that to happen.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I actually feel a lot more optimistic about stabilizing this time around Hexa -- mainly because I am eating high fat as I go, so it won't be such a huge dietary change moving to p3. I think I have a much better idea of how much food my body needs to function overall.

The slower losses are helping, too -- I'm not going through as much of a head spin with body image because the changes are more gradual, so I don't feel so disoriented in my skin. AND my skin, speaking of that, looks a lot better this time around because it has had time to adjust as I go.

Yes, it has been frustrating... and yes, I have almost quit altogether on a number of occasions, but I am feeling pretty solid in my commitment to finish this job, and get on to some fitness goals.

I'm really, really hoping to see at least 105 by the beginning of the year... and I am willing to pull out whatever big guns are necessary for that to happen.

I believe you will do it. As for skin.. I don't know what the heck mine is doing

[Alaskafisher]

Hello ladies!!! Well....I think, maybe, possibly I am stabilizing???? I've been staying within .4 lbs of my LDW all week. I've just been eating when I'm hungry and only Atkins food.

Cheryl... Congrats on the glasses..I put it off for a long time cause I didn't want to admit my eyes (and other things) were getting old. I'm 48. I still only use them for reading small print.

Mini...I feel you on the depression! I have fought it for as long as I can remember! When my dad passed in 1998 I finally admitted defeat and went on meds. Since then my life has done a 180! I realized I can be a happy person and enjoy life so much. I was just lucky I found the right meds. I discovered through all this that it runs in my family also.

Disney.... I wish my kids would have sat on Santas lap...they were both petrified of Santa.
Of course DS is 26 and DD is 28 now, so I think they have outgrown this...I just remember being so bummed out cause I never had any pics with kids and Santa.

Well tonight is DH Christmas party..so I'm hoping to not eat too much, and only have 2 glasses of wine. Tomorrow is our annual cookie exchange at BFF's house. I made chocolate peanut butter crispy balls, and WOW did they smell good, and I licked my fingers several times

[minimonkey]

Great job stabilizing Alaska! That is the hardest part of this protocol.

I also get a lot of benefit from antidepressants, and have just accepted that I need them to function well. They aren't a perfect solution, but they certainly help.

Have a great time at the Christmas party! I'm sure you will do fine with the eating.

[brainsgirl]

Mini, what do you eat when you say your are doing a fat fast? I remember earlier in the year you ate greek yogurt. Do you still while on p2? What does a typical days food include? Mindi

[star a.d.]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Star -- I SO completely hear you on that one! I've got a ton of huge life stressors at the moment, and it is so much easier to focus on the minutiae than on the big things I can't control.... I think it is good to have some recognition about what is happening, though, so you can keep an eye on it.

I am a person who gets bizarrely obsessive about small things when the big things are too much to face... as long as I realize that is what I am doing, I can keep it from becoming a problem. If I lose sight of it, then I am in a danger zone....

agreed. and when that happens, the little things can make you lose your s#*t sometimes. sigh!

this is a rough eclipse!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by Alaskafisher

Hello ladies!!! Well....I think, maybe, possibly I am stabilizing???? I've been staying within .4 lbs of my LDW all week. I've just been eating when I'm hungry and only Atkins food.

Cheryl... Congrats on the glasses..I put it off for a long time cause I didn't want to admit my eyes (and other things) were getting old. I'm 48. I still only use them for reading small print.

Mini...I feel you on the depression! I have fought it for as long as I can remember! When my dad passed in 1998 I finally admitted defeat and went on meds. Since then my life has done a 180! I realized I can be a happy person and enjoy life so much. I was just lucky I found the right meds. I discovered through all this that it runs in my family also.

Disney.... I wish my kids would have sat on Santas lap...they were both petrified of Santa.
Of course DS is 26 and DD is 28 now, so I think they have outgrown this...I just remember being so bummed out cause I never had any pics with kids and Santa.

Well tonight is DH Christmas party..so I'm hoping to not eat too much, and only have 2 glasses of wine. Tomorrow is our annual cookie exchange at BFF's house. I made chocolate peanut butter crispy balls, and WOW did they smell good, and I licked my fingers several times

Just a fly-by post before I go to bed. Thanks, Alaska. I'm 49 and I hit that inevitable age when it's time to admit you need some dang "special devices." I hate it but it's better than being blind.

Girls, you are not alone in the depressive genes. I'm on two anti-depressant meds. My Father was Bi-polar and my family has anxiety and mood disorders, alcoholism etc as far back as any living relative can remember. Bad gene pool for sure. I would much rather get to a point where I feel happy and stable and just get off everything but I've tried that before and I'm always sorry I did.

Mini, what you said about micro-managing the little things because the big things are out of our control, that struck a chord in me. It makes so much sense! Clearly that is why we get so obsessive with things at times. Oh, well! Whatever gets us through the day and night!

Equine care workshop for me tomorrow! (3-5pm) Wish me luck and pray for no wind. It's going to be near freezing but if there's no wind, it will be much nicer. We'll be outside for most of the 2 hours. I can't wait! I hope things go well and this is the start of something wonderful in my life. Prayers always appreciated.

[nola baxter]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

The immunity issue is a different matter, though -- that could be the problem.

Or, maybe I want to be below my body's ideal weight -- I am willing to consider that ... in which case I guess I have to do it the old-fashioned way, lol --- in any event, I want to be at 105 at the most .. and preferably a bit below that. I'd probably be willing to throw in the towel at 105 as long as I could maintain that weight.

My hunger yesterday wasn't bad, and so far today is looking good on that front too -- so I am going to keep doing what is working.

Ok- I just remembered that I was going to post what I could find out about the immunity issue as far as homeopathic hcg is concerned.

My friend who is a homeopathic practictioner doesnt feel it is a good idea to keep taking a remedy for too long- she believes in immunity.. ( she has been trained according to classical homeopathy) .

Another friend said that they use homeopathy in India a lot, and they use it in a more non-classical way, and will often give repeated long-term doses of a remedy with seemingly successful results.

Personally, I think the body does tend to adapt and adjust to whatever it is given, whether it is a herbal remedy, homeopathic , or potentially anything;
so I think there is a big possibility that long term use of hcg could result in it not working so effectively to some degree or other.

As far as abnormal fat and hcg not working once you are at a normal weight-
it seems hard to judge what could be considered abnormal fat, or normal.
When I tried hcg I was lean but was hoping it would target what I consider to be the abnormal fat on my saddlebags- but it didnt!!
I was very hungry and ended up crashing out big time.
I in no way experienced the non-hunger state I hear people talking about.
Though there may have been less hunger than I would have normally had on such low calories, if I had not been taking the hcg.

Have a good day everyone