Hcg Rogues and Alternatives, week of 10/31

[metqa]

wow, cheryl, You've had an exciting time. Glad everythings getting backto normal. I guess I don't miss freezing winter weather, Growing up in Chicago and now living in Atlanta. if my power goes out, it's like no big deal. it rarely freezes for long down here.

I'm starting a rogue round today. actually two days ago, this is my first VLCD, but I"ll be calling them Down Days cause I'm gonna experiment with an HCG JUDDD round, just to see what happens. I have a goal weight in mind, but I have a goal date by which I need to take an interruption ( Thanksgiving) so i'll be taking whatever I can get from it. And if I don't do well with this round,I know to what style to move back to to get results I like.

[minimonkey]

Karlasmom -- thank you for the sweet compliment!

I am really, really looking forward to hitting the weights again in p3. That will be the best part of being in maintenance -- more so than the food, or the skinny jeans, or any of the rest of it....

I use the Intermountain drops from Netrition, and I really like them. I tried the Intermountain pellets, and didn't do as well with them -- though I still use them when I am on the go -- but mainly I use the drops.

I used the Yavonae drops at first, and I loved them, but they have gotten very, very pricey of late.

[minimonkey]

Metga -- good luck on your round! I saw you over on the EFGT thread -- did you abandon that idea?

I'm alternating EFGT days with regular rogue p2 days (which still include coconut oil) -- and it is working well for me.

I generally average about 1000 calories a day -- some days lower, some a little higher, but there isn't a real plan there... it just works out that way.

[tay65]

I use intermountain drops I order straight from their website. They work good for me using about 8 drops 3x a day.
Have a good day everyone!

[metqa]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Metga -- good luck on your round! I saw you over on the EFGT thread -- did you abandon that idea?

I'm alternating EFGT days with regular rogue p2 days (which still include coconut oil) -- and it is working well for me.

I generally average about 1000 calories a day -- some days lower, some a little higher, but there isn't a real plan there... it just works out that way.

No,I wasn't using EFGT or JUDDD to try to lose but to maintain. In fact I'm incorporating them into this round by doing UP days and Down Days, all at a deficit, but with EFGT ratios for the Up Days.

I'm just messing around because I have time for a short round before the holidays and decided it might be a nice chance for some Quick Weight Loss.

I'm officially implementing The

Metqa's LowCHAPS MoFa Plan!

[lilydanny]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Metga -- good luck on your round! I saw you over on the EFGT thread -- did you abandon that idea?

I'm alternating EFGT days with regular rogue p2 days (which still include coconut oil) -- and it is working well for me.

I generally average about 1000 calories a day -- some days lower, some a little higher, but there isn't a real plan there... it just works out that way.

Mini- Hi, I've been lurking! Curious what your 1000 calorie EFGT consists of. I've on P2 within 4 pounds of my very lightest goal weight, trying to finish a 23 day round (don't know anyone's opinion on the stabilizing round length debate) mostly just for aesthetics.... so experimenting is fun!

Thanks all!

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Hexa, I hear you about the weight training vs. leaning out -- my body just wouldn't do it.

I was forced to take an exercise break due to a Lyme flare up, so I decided to use that as a chance to do a p2... and since the p2 is finally working to get rid of the fat I gained on my hcg-bulking experiment, I decided to finish the job.

From here on, I am going for the slow, slow bulk only -- I gained a lot of muscle while bulking, but I also gained fat that was super resistant to coming off... so no more of that for me! I'll train again in p3, and I will be very diligent about maintenance.

Very cool that you are training with a professional!!! Good luck on your round -- I hope you are able to do the p2 and keep up the training as well. Hope you keep posting here

Hi Mini, sorry that you had to stop training. You look great. What do you mean by HCG bulking experiment? I am so hoping that I can continue to train in P2. My goal is to lose the fat, and if I lose weight then it's gravy, and gain the muscle mass. The fat is making it super hard on me and I am getting desperate So, I will see how it goes and let you know. I know that I will need to increase my protein intake or I will lose the muscle. do you have any other suggestions? What do you eat? Thanks for the help

[pugswin]

So I went for my health scale weigh in (done middle of the day, so I don't really count it) and blood pressure check:

wt: 198.8 (vs 199 at home this AM) and BP 120/84 which is almost normal! woohoo!
compared to 10/27: 200.6 and 130/90

also my home scale has only .5 gradiations, so 198.8 is 199.... so hopefully I'll be 198.5 in the morning, or not.
I was thinking of getting a new scale when I get to 190, but I'm not sure if I'll get there before I go P3.. I guess I'll get a new scale when I get to P3!

[HexaTheAmazon]

Does anyone take B12 shots during the phases? If yes, how often do you take the shots?

[pugswin]

Originally Posted by HexaTheAmazon

Does anyone take B12 shots during the phases? If yes, how often do you take the shots?

i do sublingual B12, 2x a day (morning and lunchtime)

[minimonkey]

Hexa -- my experiment was to continue to take hhcg, eat a hearty p3, and work out as much as I could manage -- I did put on a lot of muscle doing this, but I also put on some very, very hard to shed fat.

I am having to go to p2 and no lifting to lean out again

Lily -- my EFGT days are generally full fat yogurt, nut butter, and coconut bark (I pour the warm liquid in my yogurt). I pretty much eat once on those days and that is it.

On normal p2 days, I eat about 1000 calories consisting of yogurt, fruit, protein powder, meat, eggs, veggies/salad, veggie burgers, etc. I don't really follow a meal plan on those days, but I do keep the calories down. I generally eat some coconut oil every day. I don't eat sugars or starches, but I do get carbs from dairy and fruit.

So, this is definitely rogue!

When I start p3, I am going to crank the protein way up. I don't need a lot right now since I am not training...

The good part is that I don't seem to have lost much muscle this round... what is going is the fat.

[minimonkey]

Pugs -- yahoooooo on the medical weigh in! Fantastic about both the weight and the blood pressure.

[DisneyPrincess]

Good morning. Well I went totally off plan the last 2 days, let MILs visit and some stress get to me, but as of today Im back on LC. I'm also going to attempt a run today so hopefully my ankle holds up a little bit. No scale for a few days where hopefully I can at least be back to siggy weight. I'm still planning on hitting goal by mid december

Going to go catch up on everyone

[paulabob]

Everyone is doing great! DP, good luck with your run.

Finally, scale moved down a pound this morning. Down to 127.8. Stick, weight, stick! I know I finally have my calories adjusted right for JUDDD, expect to keep seeing downward progress instead of maintenance numbers.

Hope everyone has a great Hump day!

[PenPen13]

Minimonkey
You mentioned a"saggy" body after your first round of HCG. I have really noticed that myself and was wondering if I should be concerned. I seem to have lost muscle especially in my legs. I do try and do yoga once a week and walk three times a week for about 1 hour. I love to work with weights but just don't have the time to go to the gym. Has anyone else noticed the saggy body after weight loss with HCG?

[minimonkey]

PenPen --

I think the sagginess is just the body readjusting to weight loss -- it happens to a lot of us (there are a lot of older posts on this) -- the skin needs time to adjust and so forth. Time, and exercise, correct this after a while.

Rapid weight loss causes more sagging than slower losses do because of the skin needing to catch up, etc.

[PenPen13]

Good to know thanks. I really didn't lose that much weight , only about 14 lbs but maybe I need to pull the hand weights out and see what happens.

[minimonkey]

well -- up .2 today, meaning only a tiny rebound after the losses of the last couple of days -- I'll take it. The loss essentially stuck, and that is a good thing.

Its an EFGT day for me today.

Paula -- whoohoo on the lb down! May it stick, and continue to happen!

[catjrow3]

Great job Paula, thinking sticky thoughts for you too!!!

You are doing pretty well this round Minimo!! Yeah!!

I was down the 0.4 I was up yesterday, so nothing basically for 2 days. TOM is due this weekend, not sure if thats part of it, but boo!! Was hoping for better this morning!!

Total net loss for the week is 3.2 lbs. Guess I will take that and hope for better next week end!!

Snowing and cold brrr...... here... hope you all are warm somewhere else!!

[westiesam]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I had a clothing victory this morning -- went to grab a pair of jeans, and grabbed the wrong ones.... I thought -- well, I wonder how far these are from fitting.. maybe I will try them on -- they are one of my smaller pairs. They fit! Comfortably, too, and I wore them

So I am definitely smaller at this weight this time than I was before -- and I look a lot better too -- not so floppy and saggy.

I'm doing another regular p2 day -- tomorrow will definitely be a high fat day. I think my cals may end up a little over 1000 today, but I am not going to stress that. I can generally still lose if I go a little over 1000 -- it's just a bit slower. TOM is still raging, and that's making me feel a bit depleted -- so I had an extra serving of fage 0 and berries... not the end of the world.

That said, I would really, really like to see 110 this week! It's only 2.8 lbs away... I should be able to do that.

Awesome Mini! That had to be a thrill to fit into smaller jeans -- do you work out alot everyday? Just curious!
Westiesam

[metqa]

first VLCD gave me a net virgin loss of 0.44lb, that's down from aloading gain of around 3lb. I'm already lower than my LDW.

[tay65]

Wow! You all are doing so good! I look forward to reading all the posts on here every day. Its the first one I read!
I lost .8 today! I AM DOWN A WHOLE 20.3 LBS!!!!
I lost .9 yesterday. I gave up the fruit and I'm getting bigger losses. For now anyways. I was worried my loss from yesterday wasn't going to stick, but it did!
KUTGW everyone!

[catjrow3]

Nice job Tay!! You are doing great!

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Hexa -- my experiment was to continue to take hhcg, eat a hearty p3, and work out as much as I could manage -- I did put on a lot of muscle doing this, but I also put on some very, very hard to shed fat.

I am having to go to p2 and no lifting to lean out again

Lily -- my EFGT days are generally full fat yogurt, nut butter, and coconut bark (I pour the warm liquid in my yogurt). I pretty much eat once on those days and that is it.

On normal p2 days, I eat about 1000 calories consisting of yogurt, fruit, protein powder, meat, eggs, veggies/salad, veggie burgers, etc. I don't really follow a meal plan on those days, but I do keep the calories down. I generally eat some coconut oil every day. I don't eat sugars or starches, but I do get carbs from dairy and fruit.

So, this is definitely rogue!

When I start p3, I am going to crank the protein way up. I don't need a lot right now since I am not training...

The good part is that I don't seem to have lost much muscle this round... what is going is the fat.

That is an interesting concept Mini but I know that HCG fat sticks on a person like a moth to a bulb. Hopefully, I can still weight train. Yesterday I started loading and today I lost .7 ounces. I don't get it. Oh well... Here we go.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by PenPen13

Minimonkey
You mentioned a"saggy" body after your first round of HCG. I have really noticed that myself and was wondering if I should be concerned. I seem to have lost muscle especially in my legs. I do try and do yoga once a week and walk three times a week for about 1 hour. I love to work with weights but just don't have the time to go to the gym. Has anyone else noticed the saggy body after weight loss with HCG?

I have also found myself with flimsy thighs once I was finished with the HCG This round I will eat more protein and continue to do squats and some weight lifting. I also plan to take B12 shots. I hope this will help me with the energy. My thighs seemed to turn to mush. I was not happy

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by tay65

Wow! You all are doing so good! I look forward to reading all the posts on here every day. Its the first one I read!
I lost .8 today! I AM DOWN A WHOLE 20.3 LBS!!!!
I lost .9 yesterday. I gave up the fruit and I'm getting bigger losses. For now anyways. I was worried my loss from yesterday wasn't going to stick, but it did!
KUTGW everyone!

Good job.

[HexaTheAmazon]

Originally Posted by pugswin

i do sublingual B12, 2x a day (morning and lunchtime)

I am going to do the injections. I just need to suck it up. I think once a week with the injections will help me.

[tay65]

thanks for the congratulations! I just am so darn happy right now! I never expected such great results!
Back to reading to my granddaughter! She's only 4 mos but she likes to be read to.

[tay65]

Originally Posted by HexaTheAmazon

I have also found myself with flimsy thighs once I was finished with the HCG This round I will eat more protein and continue to do squats and some weight lifting. I also plan to take B12 shots. I hope this will help me with the energy. My thighs seemed to turn to mush. I was not happy

My legs are feeling alittle "mushy" but no saggy skin. I hope things tighten up.

[ChaseMama]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I had a clothing victory this morning -- went to grab a pair of jeans, and grabbed the wrong ones.... I thought -- well, I wonder how far these are from fitting.. maybe I will try them on -- they are one of my smaller pairs. They fit! Comfortably, too, and I wore them

So I am definitely smaller at this weight this time than I was before -- and I look a lot better too -- not so floppy and saggy.

WAY TO GO!! Love when that happens!

I noticed the same thing - could wear a size 8 at 150 pounds when before I was lucky to squeeze into a 10! I have a big bootie so I think this really worked in that area!!