For those struggling in P3 with maintaining...

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by catkin

Great info, Nicole, thanks for bringing this to light!
Is there a happy ending to the dairy problem if you discover you're one of those individuals that are sensitive to it? What is the plan to correct the insulin rise from dairy?

Well, I'm thinking not really. I think I just need to come to terms with the fact that my body doesn't like dairy I suppose I could start getting Lactaid milk and stuff but honestly, I'd rather just use coconut cream instead of giving my body some Frankenmilk LOL

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by Dreamchaser

Nicole, what are you eating for breakfast to get all of the protein in?

Actually, the last few days I haven't been doing the 50 grams of protein--mostly because I've been eating small lunches so I just didn't feel like it was really necessary. I usually eat 3-4 eggs and some kind of veggie and a protein (bacon, sausage or left over meat from the night before). It was becoming too much of a chore to get all 50 grams in and I didn't like feeling like I was going to explode LOL

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Actually, the last few days I haven't been doing the 50 grams of protein--mostly because I've been eating small lunches so I just didn't feel like it was really necessary. I usually eat 3-4 eggs and some kind of veggie and a protein (bacon, sausage or left over meat from the night before). It was becoming too much of a chore to get all 50 grams in and I didn't like feeling like I was going to explode LOL

Hi Nicole! How are you doing with your weight at this point? Has it been any different the last few days without the 50 grams of protein for breakfast?

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by Dreamchaser

Hi Nicole! How are you doing with your weight at this point? Has it been any different the last few days without the 50 grams of protein for breakfast?

I actually had been dropping about 6 oz a day for the past 3 days (some of that was probably the 2 lbs I gained from having drinks last Friday night). Today I went up 6 oz but I ate out last night and had a Cobb salad that was drenched in ranch dressing (obviously some dairy in that) and blue cheese too. So it could have been sodium, dairy and probably some undesirable oils. I'll know tomorrow if I go back down. Today I had 3 eggs, 5 pieces of bacon and 1/2 and avocado with coffee with coconut creamer for breakfast. I'll be sure to check in tomorrow and let you know but I think I'm fine not eating all 50 grams as long as I eat lunch (which I was finding I needed to do even when I was eating 50 grams for breakfast.)

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

I actually had been dropping about 6 oz a day for the past 3 days (some of that was probably the 2 lbs I gained from having drinks last Friday night). Today I went up 6 oz but I ate out last night and had a Cobb salad that was drenched in ranch dressing (obviously some dairy in that) and blue cheese too. So it could have been sodium, dairy and probably some undesirable oils. I'll know tomorrow if I go back down. Today I had 3 eggs, 5 pieces of bacon and 1/2 and avocado with coffee with coconut creamer for breakfast. I'll be sure to check in tomorrow and let you know but I think I'm fine not eating all 50 grams as long as I eat lunch (which I was finding I needed to do even when I was eating 50 grams for breakfast.)

Thanks for the response Nicole! A six ounce gain is nothing!

Overall you are still doing wonderfully with your weight compared to before you started following the leptin plan, right?

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Well, I'm thinking not really. I think I just need to come to terms with the fact that my body doesn't like dairy I suppose I could start getting Lactaid milk and stuff but honestly, I'd rather just use coconut cream instead of giving my body some Frankenmilk LOL

Understood! Have you ever heard of lasering foods (that we are sensitive to)? It's a little difficult to wrap one's head around and I have only made a half hearted attempt at it but many have experienced huge successes eliminating various food intolerances (not full blown allergies, however)such as dairy, eggs, seafoods and nuts by this method.

shelbyla and Torister are pretty well versed in this technique, maybe they will read this and respond! Worth a try!

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

I actually had been dropping about 6 oz a day for the past 3 days (some of that was probably the 2 lbs I gained from having drinks last Friday night). Today I went up 6 oz but I ate out last night and had a Cobb salad that was drenched in ranch dressing (obviously some dairy in that) and blue cheese too. So it could have been sodium, dairy and probably some undesirable oils. I'll know tomorrow if I go back down. Today I had 3 eggs, 5 pieces of bacon and 1/2 and avocado with coffee with coconut creamer for breakfast. I'll be sure to check in tomorrow and let you know but I think I'm fine not eating all 50 grams as long as I eat lunch (which I was finding I needed to do even when I was eating 50 grams for breakfast.)

That sounds like a perfect breakfast! (can you tell I'm in P2?)

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by Dreamchaser

Thanks for the response Nicole! A six ounce gain is nothing!

Overall you are still doing wonderfully with your weight compared to before you started following the leptin plan, right?

OMG YES! I was super frustrated before starting Leptin and could NOT stay under 170. If I wasn't doing a steak day, I gained every day! Not that it was easy to give up dairy but I feel so much better knowing I have some control over what happens on the scale! And I'm not obsessing over food as much as I was before Leptin!

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by catkin

That sounds like a perfect breakfast! (can you tell I'm in P2?)

LOL--you'll be right here with us soon enough

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

OMG YES! I was super frustrated before starting Leptin and could NOT stay under 170. If I wasn't doing a steak day, I gained every day! Not that it was easy to give up dairy but I feel so much better knowing I have some control over what happens on the scale! And I'm not obsessing over food as much as I was before Leptin!

I am so happy for you. That's awesome, Nicole!

I want to starting using some of the leptin basics as far as timing of the food and no snacks but I'm not ready to go paleo and give up the dairy! At least not right now. I don't know if dairy is really a problem for me though.

I had my first BAB this morning (oh Lord, I'm so full)! We'll see how it goes.

[dawnyama]

I cannot wait to try this too DC!!!! Looking forward to my P3, whenever that happens LOL.

[Dreamchaser]

OK, I had the most AWFUL EXPERIENCE today and I would love to hear from Nicole and any others on this who would like to comment.

I started trying out the leptin reset today.

My breakfast was 2 scoops of Jay Robb protein powder, strawberries and coconut milk. 19.5 net carbs, 25 grams of fat and 50 grams of protein.

For lunch 5 hours later I fixed 3 scrambled eggs and 3 pieces of bacon. I wasn't hungry but figured I should eat something after lunch.

IMMEDIATELY after finishing the bacon and eggs, I got the most GUT WRENCHING, DOUBLING OVER, GAWD AWFUL STOMACH PAIN EVER!!!!

I was very nauseous, and having cold sweats (freezing and sweating at the same time). It got so bad that seriously I thought I was either going to throw up or pass out! It was really bad for about a half hour and then I was finally able to lie down and start going to sleep.

After sleeping for a while, I feel much better now. Stomach is still not 100% but I'm sure it won't be until tomorrow. I had some strawberries with a little cream (not doing the strict paleo thing) and I am DONE eating for the day. That was definitely my dinner!

Should I not have eaten lunch or not had that much protein powder for breakfast? I was not hungry but not sick at all until I ate the eggs and bacon! OMG, I never want to go through that pain again. I can't help but feel like it happened because of protein overload!

I really want to keep trying out this leptin thing but I am soooo afraid of getting that sick again!

I am going to read through this thread again to see if I can find some info tht might help. I would love your opinions on this............HELP!

[mymy3377]

My first thought is the coconut milk. Did you use a larger amount than normal in your shake?

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by mymy3377

My first thought is the coconut milk. Did you use a larger amount than normal in your shake?

No, I used the same amount that I have always used and I use coconut milk all of the time.

[paulabob]

Could you have developed an egg sensitivity? They sometimes cause me problems.

[porkfatrules]

DC: lurking on the thread to follow this leptin thing, which looks really interesting!

My thought on your cramps is an increase in fat? Even if you've had all of these items separately, if the combination of coconut milk, eggs, bacon, etc. was significantly higher in fat than you've been eating, that would definitely do it. I remember years ago doing Nutrisystem (which is super low-fat) and people who went onto maintenance had terrible problems with stomach cramps and diarrhea when they added fat back into their diets.

Just a thought!

[mymy3377]

Well I doubt it was protein overload, for both meals you only had about 80 grams of protein combined. So unless you have a problem processing it before I doubt that was the issue. Porkfatrules raises an interesting point too which is why I kinda thought the coconut milk might be the culprit. All in all it just could've been a fluke too? How do you feel today?

If you are still wary I would scale back the BAB to 30 grams of protein to start and work your way up. Also I would ditch the whey protein and stick to real food for now. The whey should really be a last resort of sorts if their is absolutely nothing else available. I stay away from the bacon too because even if it is the uncured, sugar-free stuff at the end of the day it is still a highly processed food. My go-to BAB on the reset was 4 oz. 85/15 ground beef seasoned and scrambled with four eggs or a big ol' hunk of leftover meat (or fish) from dinner the night before with eggs.

[dawnyama]

Oh, how eerie is this? I was watching The Doctors and they have on the guy who wrote that book "The 4 Hour Body". He was talking about tips on losing weight. First tip: Eat 30 grams of protein within 30 mins of waking up!!!! So, maybe if you cannot get in the full 50 grams, you can lower it to 30!!! He was talking about how his dad tried this and he lost a lot of weight by drinking protein shakes to ensure the amount of protein he was getting in.

The other tip----he said to replace your milk in your coffee/tea with cream or cinnamon and you can shave off the pounds too. Said that the fatty cream was much better for you. But I already do that. Do not use milk in my coffee, I prefer heavy whipping cream.

[Dogsrule]

Tim Ferris is the author of the 4 hour body. google and there's all kind of stuff out there from a two minute breakfast to kettle bell swings. He's a bit obsessive, but I like that when someone else is using their body as a experiment!

[Dogsrule]

Nicole T ,
Thanks for posting about the leptin reset. I've been reading will definitely incorporate that into my P3 when I get there!

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by paulabob

Could you have developed an egg sensitivity? They sometimes cause me problems.

Well, I sure hope not. I've never had any problem with them before.

Originally Posted by porkfatrules

DC: lurking on the thread to follow this leptin thing, which looks really interesting!

My thought on your cramps is an increase in fat? Even if you've had all of these items separately, if the combination of coconut milk, eggs, bacon, etc. was significantly higher in fat than you've been eating, that would definitely do it. I remember years ago doing Nutrisystem (which is super low-fat) and people who went onto maintenance had terrible problems with stomach cramps and diarrhea when they added fat back into their diets.

Just a thought!

You never know, maybe that was it.

Originally Posted by mymy3377

Well I doubt it was protein overload, for both meals you only had about 80 grams of protein combined. So unless you have a problem processing it before I doubt that was the issue.

I don't think that it was too much protein for the day, maybe just too much protein in that short of a period of time.

Originally Posted by mymy3377

Porkfatrules raises an interesting point too which is why I kinda thought the coconut milk might be the culprit.

I don't think so. I'm already very used to having that much coconut milk all of the time.

Originally Posted by mymy3377

All in all it just could've been a fluke too? How do you feel today?

You're right. It very well could have been a fluke. It happened 2 days ago. I feel wonderful now. Didn't have any problems yesterday either.

Originally Posted by mymy3377

If you are still wary I would scale back the BAB to 30 grams of protein to start and work your way up.

I think that's a good idea.

Originally Posted by mymy3377

Also I would ditch the whey protein and stick to real food for now. The whey should really be a last resort of sorts if their is absolutely nothing else available. I stay away from the bacon too because even if it is the uncured, sugar-free stuff at the end of the day it is still a highly processed food. My go-to BAB on the reset was 4 oz. 85/15 ground beef seasoned and scrambled with four eggs or a big ol' hunk of leftover meat (or fish) from dinner the night before with eggs.

I think that one scoop of whey protein powder per day is perfectly fine, especially if it is a high quality product such as Jay Robb which is what I use.

I'm not so convinced that 2 scoops a day is a good thing, however, and especially 2 scoops at one time. I would have preferred to use pastured eggs and some type of meat at the time but the protein powder is what I had on hand.

I think it was either just a freaky incident that happened for me or else, just too much protein and fat in general in such a short amount of time. Maybe my body would do better starting out with a smaller amount of protein and then increasing it instead of going straight to 50.

But I'm over it now and hopefully that will never happen again! LOL

Thanks for all of your help everyone, I appreciate it!

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Oh, how eerie is this? I was watching The Doctors and they have on the guy who wrote that book "The 4 Hour Body". He was talking about tips on losing weight. First tip: Eat 30 grams of protein within 30 mins of waking up!!!! So, maybe if you cannot get in the full 50 grams, you can lower it to 30!!! He was talking about how his dad tried this and he lost a lot of weight by drinking protein shakes to ensure the amount of protein he was getting in.

Thanks so much for posting this, Dawn, I appreciate it and that is good to hear!

[Dreamchaser]

Hey Nicole, how are you doing?

[Dreamchaser]

How about an update Nicole?

Anybody else?

[FitMommyNow]

Originally Posted by Dreamchaser

How about an update Nicole?

Anybody else?

I hope Nicole will check in and let us know how she is doing on the Leptin plan.

I had a great first week of stabilization on it and then gained Sunday and Monday enough combined to put me on a steak day (I do my own version of an HCG-esque style plan but still use the steak days to stabilize). Did the steak day yesterday and am back in range today.

Still sticking with the no snacking (just 3 meals a day), no nuts, no dairy, since those things make me gain anyway. I can't seem to hack the big breakfast though. I eat three eggs in butter or a big hamburger patty though with very little to no carbs so I'm still eating similar to the leptin plan.

[mymy3377]

The gain are all part of the Leptin Roller Coaster, I think if anything it confirms you do have some resistance. As long as you don't have some deeper underlying condition (i.e. hormones, thyroid, inflammation, etc.) they should level out if you stick with the program

[FitMommyNow]

Originally Posted by mymy3377

The gain are all part of the Leptin Roller Coaster, I think if anything it confirms you do have some resistance. As long as you don't have some deeper underlying condition (i.e. hormones, thyroid, inflammation, etc.) they should level out if you stick with the program

I love the no snacking part of it. I don't even think about or feel tempted to eat between meals. That's um, new.

[martiangurll]

Thanks for posting about the Leptin thang. This is something I will want to watch when I phase into P3. I will be reading this thread...

[Nicole T]

I’m alive…I swear! LOL Sorry for the hiatus—just had a busy week last week and then was away for the weekend and now I cannot believe it’s Thursday already! Getting ready to go to a postpartum doula training this whole weekend in Philadelphia so today will be a cooking day so I can take legal foods with me.

Weight update—I am 167 on the nose and have been for the past 3 days! Could I finally, really be stabilizing??? I even went to a Halloween party on Saturday night and drank (Bacardi and club sodas)—went up 2 lbs the next day but it came right back off. I think the key was that I didn’t cheat with food while I was drinking even though there were dessert tables and a pasta bar!!

I am still following Leptin but I definitely don’t eat 50 grams of protein for breakfast—I usually can get down 3 eggs, 4-5 pieces of bacon or some leftover meat and some kind of green (today it was swiss chard in with my eggs). I have even been using very tiny amounts of dairy—heavy cream in my coffee or a tablespoon or so of raw, sharp cheddar and it doesn’t seem to be bothering me. My thoughts are that it ‘s kinda like any P3—I had some fluctuations at first on Leptin but now I seem to have stabilized some so maybe I can add in some stuff like dairy and nuts but very cautiously. I am going to make a Paleo pumpkin bread for this weekend and the only no-no in it is almond flour so we’ll see how I do with that. I’ll still be sure to only eat it with breakfast or lunch and with a good protein.

Hope everyone else is doing well! I need to take some time to read through all the threads but that’s not going to happen today with this seminar looming tomorrow-Sunday.

[agentventi]

please post the pumpkin bread recipe! i NEED it , haha.