Maybe this doesn't work for everyone?

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Oh, and one more thing.....as if you need another thing to think about Is this your second round? Just asking because my second round was awful. The pits, terrible. I hated it. Still lost my 15 pounds but I had to fight for it for sure.

No this is my first round. I had high hopes of doing a couple of rounds but at this rate I don't know.

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

have you tested your injections with a PG test?? not the usual way LOL put i few drops in the well from your syringe if it turns positive it is good if not it isn't

It's straight from the pharmacy so I have no doubt that it is active. Pregnancy tests here cost 20 bucks.

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

cabbage stalls me EVERY TIME and i love the stuff

I do too! Man alive I have a lot of figuring out to do.

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

No, no,no. That should be a last resort. Try one thing at a time otherwise you won't know what it is that was the culprit. And the last thing on my list would be the coffee. I love my coffee remember I am the Starbucks girl around here.

Yeah I was just lamenting over the fact that coffee and strawberries are my the two constants everyday and at this point I just want this weight gone.

Ugh this is hard.

[LilacBruze]

Are you using any lotions, makeup, toothpaste, etc that may be the culprit(s)?

I ate 96/4 ground beef for at least 10 meals a week and didn't experience any issues with losing. Same thing with cabbage.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Emerald

It's straight from the pharmacy so I have no doubt that it is active. Pregnancy tests here cost 20 bucks.

DUDES we get them at a dollar tree for a buck! eek! do you all have the chain dollar general?? they had them for cheap too woith the baby stuff

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by LilacBruze

Are you using any lotions, makeup, toothpaste, etc that may be the culprit(s)?

I ate 96/4 ground beef for at least 10 meals a week and didn't experience any issues with losing. Same thing with cabbage.

Nope. I preshopped prior to starting and was very diligent about everything. My thoughts were that if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this right.

I'm just hoping that it is pms and once I start that I will lose at least 4 lbs. Well a girl can dream....................

[debkeversole]

see if there is anything in here that rings a bell
TIPS FOR P2 OF DR. SIMEONS PROTOCOL
care to write out a typical day for you?? maybe we can trace SOMETHING down and like Dawn said a small infusion of something with fat in it SOMETIMES jump starts it again YMMV maybe some HWC in your coffee for one day?? the lowest average i have ever lost on a round was about .45 a day
Check all of your spices i was very dismayed to find several of my favorites had hidden sugars higher sodium MSG or all three EEK!
if i can find anything else i think might help i will post it

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

see if there is anything in here that rings a bell
TIPS FOR P2 OF DR. SIMEONS PROTOCOL
care to write out a typical day for you?? maybe we can trace SOMETHING down and like Dawn said a small infusion of something with fat in it SOMETIMES jump starts it again YMMV maybe some HWC in your coffee for one day?? the lowest average i have ever lost on a round was about .45 a day
Check all of your spices i was very dismayed to find several of my favorites had hidden sugars higher sodium MSG or all three EEK!
if i can find anything else i think might help i will post it

Thanks for your help. Honestly I'm a die hard low carber and everything I purchase is sugar and msg free. My menus are basic.

Today:

B one cup of coffee with one tbsp of fat free milk (this is killing me)

L 2 C of soup broth (that I made with no added nothing, jsut chicken and water) 100 grams of shrimp, 3 celery stalks, a .5 tsp of garlic and a tsp of curry. The spices have no salt or sugar added.

S 100 grams of chicken breast, tomato, and chili.

Snack will most likely be an apple.

I never eat the Melba toast or a breadstick. I can't wrap my brain around eating white flour.

I'm certain something will give!

I'll check out the list again and really the thought of adding fat into the diet sounds heavenly. Even if it's just a little bit.

[JunkInMyTrunk]

Did you mix your own injections or did they come from someone already mixed? I'd plop down the $20 to check them with a pregnancy test.

Maybe you are allergic to shrimp. Did you make a chili with the chicken breast and tomato or did you eat chicken, tomato and chili also or was that chili powder? I'm a little confused by your supper entry.

Maybe it is all due to TOM and you will lose some soon, but I second the including the load weight in your weigt loss. I lose the least on week 2 compared to other weeks and I don't even have to worry about TOM anymore.

Just some thoughts. Are you hungry?

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Emerald

Thanks for your help. Honestly I'm a die hard low carber and everything I purchase is sugar and msg free. My menus are basic.

Today:

B one cup of coffee with one tbsp of fat free milk (this is killing me)

L 2 C of soup broth (that I made with no added nothing, jsut chicken and water) 100 grams of shrimp, 3 celery stalks, a .5 tsp of garlic and a tsp of curry. The spices have no salt or sugar added.

S 100 grams of chicken breast, tomato, and chili.

Snack will most likely be an apple.

I never eat the Melba toast or a breadstick. I can't wrap my brain around eating white flour.

I'm certain something will give!

I'll check out the list again and really the thought of adding fat into the diet sounds heavenly. Even if it's just a little bit.

if you have it tomorrow switch out that milk for HWC! i use full fat milk for my one little bit a day but some use half and half
do you like lemon water?? can help get things moveing also do you have a pamprin?? take one beofre bed even if it isn't TOM gah i hope something helps!

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by JunkInMyTrunk

Did you mix your own injections or did they come from someone already mixed? I'd plop down the $20 to check them with a pregnancy test.

Maybe you are allergic to shrimp. Did you make a chili with the chicken breast and tomato or did you eat chicken, tomato and chili also or was that chili powder? I'm a little confused by your supper entry.

Maybe it is all due to TOM and you will lose some soon, but I second the including the load weight in your weigt loss. I lose the least on week 2 compared to other weeks and I don't even have to worry about TOM anymore.

Just some thoughts. Are you hungry?

I purchased the srcip from the pharmacy and the doctor loaded the syringes for me. Right then and there. So I can't imagine the HCG would have no potency when it is brand spanking new. Chili as in chili spice. Ground chili's. Part of the issue is I gained on the third low calorie day and from there things have not gone stellar. Today was the first day I have had shrimp. I usually have white fish and chicken breast. I had very lean beef one day so that worried me.

I'm not hungry so that is a bonus.

I do add the juice of a lemon to distilled water and I sip on it throughout the day. 2 litres daily.

It's just bizarre how little I am losing considering I'm following protocol. Today is my starting of my second week. So if the first week is typically better than the first week I'm not feeling a lot of hope. (Debbie Downer)

But again I'm not going to quit. I have a feeling if I keep plugging along I will be rewarded!

[debkeversole]

hon it can lose potency so very easily SIGH have you experienced any of the other effects of low calorie without hcg?/ like feeling faint, low blood sugar symptoms, dizziness, fatigue HUNGER?? or is it just slow losses? and everything else is fine i usually feel pretty good when my hcg is working and boy you can tell QUICK when it isn't wish i could help more

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

hon it can lose potency so very easily SIGH have you experienced any of the other effects of low calorie without hcg?/ like feeling faint, low blood sugar symptoms, dizziness, fatigue HUNGER?? or is it just slow losses? and everything else is fine i usually feel pretty good when my hcg is working and boy you can tell QUICK when it isn't wish i could help more

Thanks so much!

No everything is great! No loss of energy, I'm not hungry. I couldn't even finish my supper last night. No other issues besides slooooooow weight loss. I'm gonna blame TOM and hope that it picks up.

Thanks again!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Emerald

Thanks so much!

No everything is great! No loss of energy, I'm not hungry. I couldn't even finish my supper last night. No other issues besides slooooooow weight loss. I'm gonna blame TOM and hope that it picks up.

Thanks again!

hmm well i am stumped! have you tried a glass of water with ACV in it and a bit of stevia? can help sometimes or you could do an apple day but UGH i don't wanna

[Emi]

Do you eat the broth everyday.. I seem to remember you have mentioned that before... I know I can't eat broth or I gain/stay the same!

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by Emi

Do you eat the broth everyday.. I seem to remember you have mentioned that before... I know I can't eat broth or I gain/stay the same!

I do. I add it to all my meats. But I made my own chicken broth with just meat (chicken bones) and some ACV.

I really think I'm stressing over nothing and soon it will start moving faster. My body just must really like the weight of 170.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Emerald

I do. I add it to all my meats. But I made my own chicken broth with just meat (chicken bones) and some ACV.

I really think I'm stressing over nothing and soon it will start moving faster. My body just must really like the weight of 170.

set point! mine keeps wanting to return to 291.2 ugh hang in there

[JunkInMyTrunk]

This may be out of left field and since you say that you don't have any hunger, your syringes are stored in the refrigerator, correct? If you are not having any hunger than most likely your hcg is good.
Maybe nix the broth and eat just the meat and the protocol veggies. It can't hurt to try to only eat the protocol foods and see what happens. I know some people do rogue things, but maybe you are one of those people who cannot veer from the straight and narrow.
It must be very frustrating and I hope that you have some downward movement soon. I hate to see people struggle with this protocol especially when it seems so restrictive anyway.

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by JunkInMyTrunk

This may be out of left field and since you say that you don't have any hunger, your syringes are stored in the refrigerator, correct? If you are not having any hunger than most likely your hcg is good.
Maybe nix the broth and eat just the meat and the protocol veggies. It can't hurt to try to only eat the protocol foods and see what happens. I know some people do rogue things, but maybe you are one of those people who cannot veer from the straight and narrow.
It must be very frustrating and I hope that you have some downward movement soon. I hate to see people struggle with this protocol especially when it seems so restrictive anyway.

Fridge. yes. I only use a tiny amount of broth. I thought broth would be okay to cook my chicken and fish in? It has next to no cals but has a little bit of flavour. Well I have yet to make supper and will omit the broth today. But really I do feel as though if I have to give up anymore I will cry. lol

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

set point! mine keeps wanting to return to 291.2 ugh hang in there

Like really! Couldn't my set point be 135? What the heck is this 170 business?

[ljspears]

From your posted menu it looks like you are only eating one fruit per day and no melba toast...correct?

Seems like, just from a quick mental calculation, that you are not even close to 500 calories per day. That could be why your losses are so slow...your body may be going into starvation mode.


If you can and are willing try this:

In the morning try boiling two eggs and just eat the whites (approx. 34 calories)
along with your normal. Protein and calorie boost.



As suggested, leave out the broth.

Try the Apple Cider Vinegar...mixed with water and stevia. It can jumpstart you.

[katiesmemaw]

Wow, what a stumper. I had such success with this after a lifetime of failure that I hate to see you struggling so. IMHO I would say that it may be that you are not eating enough and you have a body that has gone into starvation mode and is going to hang on to that 170. The only other thing I have read about this is that stress will also effect the weight loss. Relax, let go and eat up to the 500 calories a day. Good luck to you.
Betty

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Emerald

Like really! Couldn't my set point be 135? What the heck is this 170 business?

Set points just suck. I had to do an apple day to get past a few of mine. I have lost 7.2 lbs this week and I am only on VLCD#4. I could not be more thrilled So I get your frustration. What has helped me this week is I have included all my food I am allowed. I have my 2 fruits, 2 melbas, 2 proteins and 2 veggies. And I am a coffee lover and have not cut back on my 3 cups a day yet. That was what I was going to cut if I didn't lose a lot this week. But now I don't have to,, thank God because I love it so I belong to bootcamp on another site and there was a suggestion to include romaine lettuce in the plan because #1. it is allowed, but more importantly #2. it has a whole lot of potassium. Dr S included the foods he did because of the properties they possess not necessarily because he wanted us all to like celery The potassium in the veggies help to eliminate water and in turn weight. I have included romaine for a couple of days this week and had amazing whooshes!! I am keeping that in my veggie rotation for sure!!

Oh, and I have been able to do broth in some of my rounds. But now, not so. I do miss it, but I can do without so I can lose some weight. I want the weight loss more than the flavor of the broth. I use seasonings (onion powder, garlic powder, real sea salt, smoked paprika) to get flavor. You will get the hang of this, don't worry!!! Before long you will be a veteran.

Oh, and one other thing.....I realized in my first round I had better losses while taking a walk every day. I feel it helped so much I would walk even if it were raining. I walked the dog before starting hcg so I know that I would be OK in keeping it in my routine. But when doing my first round I planned on being a slug and doing NOTHING. I took 1 walk (cut down from my 1 mile I would go down to only a third or so) and saw a bigger loss on the scale the next day. Now, I do NOT power walk, I stroll. My son loves to come with me and he is only 5, so there is no way that I power walk to the pond in my neighborhood and back!! The dog has gotten so used to our shorter walk that he protests when we try going further LOL. Just a bit of movement, no weight work or anything heavy, helped me so much.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Emerald

Like really! Couldn't my set point be 135? What the heck is this 170 business?

you and me both!

[porkfatrules]

Checking in, Emerald -- any progress today? We're rootin' for you!

I agree with everyone's thought that you may be eating too little. Some people can get away with it (not that you TRY to eat less than 500 calories, but if you're leaving out the Melba, then you can end up at 375 or so . . .) but others really need the full 500 or even a bit more to let the body know it's not starving.

Unfortunately, it's a science experiment with a data set of 1 -- your body. So, try more calories for a few days, see if that helps. Try no broth for a few days, see if that helps. Drop a food you *might* be sensitive to, see if that helps. Add in walking, as Dawn said. And, if you can, make one change at a time only, so you can figure out what worked.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by porkfatrules

Checking in, Emerald -- any progress today? We're rootin' for you!

And, if you can, make one change at a time only, so you can figure out what worked.

I think that you have to do 1 thing at a time so you can know for sure what works. Do NOT try too many at once!! Then you may be cutting something out that may still work. Good luck!!

[Emi]

Drop the broth w/out a doubt!!!!! There are many of us that can't have it!!! This is a really crazy diet... I tell people don't even try to figure it out.. just accept it... like I can't have broth... it doesn't make sense but okay no broth for me! Let us know how it goes!

[emel]

Originally Posted by Emerald

I do. I add it to all my meats. But I made my own chicken broth with just meat (chicken bones) and some ACV.

I really think I'm stressing over nothing and soon it will start moving faster. My body just must really like the weight of 170.

Simeons cautions us to remove the bird from the bone when eating poultry.
Try making broth by simmering boneless skinless breast meat with herbs for 30 min. Remove the chicken and use for another recipe.

[torister]

I would try eating as outlined in Pounds and Inches. I eat *everything*...including the grissini and lost. Getting ready for another round as soon as my HCG arrives.

I also recommend measuring yourself. You may not lose on the scale, but I am sure you are losing inches. I would gladly weigh 250 lbs if I looked fabulous in a size 8.