Simeons Protocol -- P3/P4 Week of 8/29/11

[LilacBruze]

Originally Posted by Cruzcrzy

LB,

if you give up dairy does that mean Greek yogurt too?

Sigh.... yes.

I am kinda thinking that I might be tired of it by then. Right now, I am making up for lost time by eating so much of it. But later on? Eh, lol.

My kid never thought she would get tired of eating pizza, but three months of working in a pizza place and she HATES pizza now!

[Cruzcrzy]

I wish I would get tired of it too, seriously!

[C'Marie]

LB, yes, I know it means I have (theoretically) 75% of food left - LOL
It's just weird, though, that some the very ones I have chosen to build my "life" diet around, all good foods, mind you - not carby/starchy/sugary/crap - are the ones on my avoid list. So in order to minimize the weight and sensitivity damage, I am starting with the ones I knew quite awhile ago I was sensitive to - wheat and sugar, which I rarely have anyway - but dairy is the one that threw me for a loop. Until I started tracking my weight daily, how would I know my weight would jump UP a bunch from eating lowfat no sugar yogurt LOL - isn't that ridiculous! And why would it be ok in earlier P3/P4 cycles and suddenly not ok these last 2. Apparently, the sensitivity has grown.

Oh well.... Obviously dairy is going bye-bye for me, with the exception of mozzarella cheese - that one apparently is ok for occasional. And I thought my list said no almonds/almond milk/almond butter, but my brother re-read the list for me and it said neutral, but I will treat lightly because I THOUGHT anyway that almonds were causing me gain. But it might've been something else I was eating at the same time. Who knows at this point. It's going to be trial and error and daily weighing like usual.

Hubby and I just went over our typical shopping list and cut out some of the very things we were getting on a weekly basis and substituting others in order to minimize the inflammation/retention/weightgain factors. Maybe this will help the irritation in my joints as well.

At this point, I'm NOT cutting out my coffee. I figure if I cut out the other stuff and it makes a quite a bit of difference, maybe I can at least cut down the amount of coffee I drink. I can drink it black, I like it so much

There are certain things on those lists I take with a HUGE block of salt - for one, how can coconut be an "avoid" for every blood type? That's simply not possible. Large populations of indigenous peoples have been eating it for centuries. But for now, I won't make it a staple of my diet, which it has been, more and more.

Thanks for your thoughts and encouragements. It means a lot to me. Now off to eat some salad! LOL

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

im loading this weekend
ive got the menu all planned out
cant wait actually
i feel so much better on the hcg
my pcos is crazy and i have crazy hormones
i feel "normal" on hcg
im hoping to lose almost another 30 lbs the next 6 weeks
then ill be in p3 just in time for my month long vacation in FL

keep up the great work ladies
im proud of ya'll
just cant post much, busy busy time of year

Can't we just put it in the water supply?

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

LB, yes, I know it means I have (theoretically) 75% of food left - LOL
It's just weird, though, that some the very ones I have chosen to build my "life" diet around, all good foods, mind you - not carby/starchy/sugary/crap - are the ones on my avoid list. So in order to minimize the weight and sensitivity damage, I am starting with the ones I knew quite awhile ago I was sensitive to - wheat and sugar, which I rarely have anyway - but dairy is the one that threw me for a loop. Until I started tracking my weight daily, how would I know my weight would jump UP a bunch from eating lowfat no sugar yogurt LOL - isn't that ridiculous! And why would it be ok in earlier P3/P4 cycles and suddenly not ok these last 2. Apparently, the sensitivity has grown.

Oh well.... Obviously dairy is going bye-bye for me, with the exception of mozzarella cheese - that one apparently is ok for occasional. And I thought my list said no almonds/almond milk/almond butter, but my brother re-read the list for me and it said neutral, but I will treat lightly because I THOUGHT anyway that almonds were causing me gain. But it might've been something else I was eating at the same time. Who knows at this point. It's going to be trial and error and daily weighing like usual.

Hubby and I just went over our typical shopping list and cut out some of the very things we were getting on a weekly basis and substituting others in order to minimize the inflammation/retention/weightgain factors. Maybe this will help the irritation in my joints as well.

At this point, I'm NOT cutting out my coffee. I figure if I cut out the other stuff and it makes a quite a bit of difference, maybe I can at least cut down the amount of coffee I drink. I can drink it black, I like it so much

There are certain things on those lists I take with a HUGE block of salt - for one, how can coconut be an "avoid" for every blood type? That's simply not possible. Large populations of indigenous peoples have been eating it for centuries. But for now, I won't make it a staple of my diet, which it has been, more and more.

Thanks for your thoughts and encouragements. It means a lot to me. Now off to eat some salad! LOL

Ayup!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

LB, yes, I know it means I have (theoretically) 75% of food left - LOL
It's just weird, though, that some the very ones I have chosen to build my "life" diet around, all good foods, mind you - not carby/starchy/sugary/crap - are the ones on my avoid list. So in order to minimize the weight and sensitivity damage, I am starting with the ones I knew quite awhile ago I was sensitive to - wheat and sugar, which I rarely have anyway - but dairy is the one that threw me for a loop. Until I started tracking my weight daily, how would I know my weight would jump UP a bunch from eating lowfat no sugar yogurt LOL - isn't that ridiculous! And why would it be ok in earlier P3/P4 cycles and suddenly not ok these last 2. Apparently, the sensitivity has grown.

Oh well.... Obviously dairy is going bye-bye for me, with the exception of mozzarella cheese - that one apparently is ok for occasional. And I thought my list said no almonds/almond milk/almond butter, but my brother re-read the list for me and it said neutral, but I will treat lightly because I THOUGHT anyway that almonds were causing me gain. But it might've been something else I was eating at the same time. Who knows at this point. It's going to be trial and error and daily weighing like usual.

Hubby and I just went over our typical shopping list and cut out some of the very things we were getting on a weekly basis and substituting others in order to minimize the inflammation/retention/weightgain factors. Maybe this will help the irritation in my joints as well.

At this point, I'm NOT cutting out my coffee. I figure if I cut out the other stuff and it makes a quite a bit of difference, maybe I can at least cut down the amount of coffee I drink. I can drink it black, I like it so much

There are certain things on those lists I take with a HUGE block of salt - for one, how can coconut be an "avoid" for every blood type? That's simply not possible. Large populations of indigenous peoples have been eating it for centuries. But for now, I won't make it a staple of my diet, which it has been, more and more.

Thanks for your thoughts and encouragements. It means a lot to me. Now off to eat some salad! LOL

I checked out what my blood type should eat and it's COMPLETELY the opposite of what works for me. Low protein, no red meat, lots of fruits and veggies, I forget the other suggestions, but it read like a "what makes Julie gain" recommended list. I have heard such great things about it I was hoping for some insight. Who knows, maybe as I up the weight training I will gravitate toward that recommended list.

I hope you see some improvement w. your changes. I'm a BIG fan of experimenting, and find myself my most willing guinea pig . Hope dh benefits too.

LB-good tough love talk. I've been LC for 8+ years and still get comments like "don' you miss X - cake, cookies etc". Well, yes, if I could eat that cr@p and still wear a size 8 I'd do it. But, since I can't, I'll go enjoy my ribeye and greek yogurt. Making lemonade out of life's lemons makes maintenance more fun!

[Jodarina]

dbunny~hope you GY CD works much better!
LB~Awesome tat! Can't wait to see the grand finale!
Paula~ keeping my fingers crossed for a big whooosh!
Shelby~ No CD! Very cool!

Originally Posted by C'Marie

My fat fast day resulted in.... wait for it..... not a dang thing. Not one change, not even .2 - arg. LOL Ok so back to P2++ for me for as long as it takes. No dairy, No nuts, nothing fun LOL. Time to whip this body back into shape regardless of how emotional I feel. Gaining weight will do NOTHING to solve any problems and it will only make me feel crappier. Protein, salad, one fruit a day, a little fat for dressings etc and that's it. It feels good to have a plan. Whether the weight gain has to do with pain, meds, therapy, food sensitivities, heat, water retention - I plain don't care at this point. I'm in it to win it, and if my body doesn't like it, too bad.

C'Marie~ you GO girl! I SO love your posts!

[Jodarina]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I've been LC for 8+ years and still get comments like "don' you miss X - cake, cookies etc". Well, yes, if I could eat that cr@p and still wear a size 8 I'd do it. But, since I can't, I'll go enjoy my ribeye and greek yogurt. Making lemonade out of life's lemons makes maintenance more fun!

Well said!

[Jodarina]

Yesterday's GY CD put me down 2.8 lbs and back in my window!

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by Jodarina

Yesterday's GY CD put me down 2.8 lbs and back in my window!

Woo Hoo!!!!!

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I checked out what my blood type should eat and it's COMPLETELY the opposite of what works for me. Low protein, no red meat, lots of fruits and veggies, I forget the other suggestions, but it read like a "what makes Julie gain" recommended list. I have heard such great things about it I was hoping for some insight. Who knows, maybe as I up the weight training I will gravitate toward that recommended list.

I hope you see some improvement w. your changes. I'm a BIG fan of experimenting, and find myself my most willing guinea pig . Hope dh benefits too.

Yes, I was glad at least that I'm a O and can have lotsa meat
I'm just going to give this the old college try..... the main thing for me is stay away from dairy and see if that helps. Switch up a couple other things, and see if the inflammation goes down and the weight stabilizes. Apparently I was eating too many of the "avoid" things all at once and in rather large amounts.

Today, I ate:
3 eggs
coffee with 2 tbls hnh (DAIRY)
2 tbl almond butter
chicken drumstick
salmon filet with less than 1 tbl cream cheese (DAIRY ALERT)
celery stalks
lotsa blueberries

trial and error!

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by LilacBruze

Oh man! That stinks! Coffee!! WTH!

Did you ever think to have one of those tests... those food sensitivity tests, I forget what they are called. My co-worker had one and was stunned to find that she was sensitive to foods she had no idea she was sensitive to. I will find out what it was called if you need more info.


I hear ya on the dairy, don't know if you read where I mentioned that I was considering going Paleo by the end of the year, once I am at goal. It sounds great as it rolls off my tongue or fingers, but I know it will not be easy. I love my cheese! I have to keep telling myself though, there are other things to eat. And it's true!

Yes I'd like to know what the name of the test was!

And I'm more curious about Paleo - had a client tell me they're doing fantastic, all numbers down medically and dropped a boatload of weight. I saw him this last year and he didn't look the same at all. But you have to give up dairy!? oh well.....

[KelliC]

I have got to get that blood type diet book, I talked about it a while back but never got it. It sounds like a very interesting read, I'm curious as to my hubby's no nos.

[paulabob]

All right, can't believe how much you ladies have already been posting!

Jodarina Yes! Glad you are down from your CD!

Julie I'm the same as you on the blood type...all the foods that aren't good for me are on the recommended list. I think maybe extra factors must come into play. And I agree...experimenting can be fun!

Lilac Wow on the 6 pound water whoosh! Wish I could lose 6 in a day, but then again, I don't bloat up that much nor want to!

Hope everyone has a great day!

Lost 1.8 last night after my high protein steak and cheese day! Back in window!

[LilacBruze]

My blood type A says I should have lots of yogurt, lol.

After my major whoosh yesterday netting me .8 lb under LDW, I did not do a correction day. I then proceeded to be a little piggie with a tapeworm again. I had a protein shake for lunch with an Atkins cookie. For dinner, I basically ate anything that wasn't nailed down. I mixed Fage (the entire 17oz container) with strawberry protein powder, Torani syrup, and whipping cream, it was sooooo good. I then had 2 cheddar Vienna hot dogs and a cheeseburger with turkey bacon and a little bit of s/f ketchup and some mayo. Was then so full I was uncomfortable.

Not surprisingly, I am up to a more normal .4 lb above LDW today, there's still a lot of food to move in there, lol.

I agree with most aspects of the blood type diet. Type A's are the farmers. It is true that my ancestors (heck, even my grandparents) were farmers. When I was a little girl in Romania, the only dairy I had came from goat's milk. I didn't have a lot of meat or grain but rather lots of veggies, particularly root veggies. I did eat a lot of chicken and eggs. It makes sense to me. But I don't agree with the meat I am supposed to avoid. I have always enjoyed meat as an adult and it has always been good to my body. Telling me I have to avoid meat makes me render the other aspects of the diet as complete hooey.

[miamiloca]

Happy to report---im back in my window--still 1.2 over LDW but I'll take it. I guess my "poor mans" CD worked! (i made a 3lb meatloaf for me and the fam-lol)
My Tae-bo workout went well--i guess im not as out of shape as i thought i was--i was able to do almost the entire workout before breaking a serious sweat! I guess chasing after my kids and running up and down stairs all day has kept me somewhat in shape. I dont really care for the constant counting in the Tae-bo workouts, though. I got really annoyed with the "1-2-3-4-HEY" about 20 minz in. LOL. I am looking into taking salsa and bachata dance classes with the Hubby. He's actually thinking he might do it now that he's a good 70lbs lighter. This week im gonna change it up and do swimming tommorrow and then walking/jogging on Friday. Today is a P3 eating day, as recommended to do on the "alternate CD week". Tommorrow is a Greek yogurt CD---easy to do but usually leaves me hungry @ night...but I'll get thru with water and decaf green tea. Then Thursday is P3 eating again. Hopefully this will put me at or below my LDW. I dont really want to do a CD on Friday, HUbby is off and wants to go to Cracker Barrel. Luckily they are big on breakfast and i can order eggs, bacon, sausage, etc. I finally took you guys advice and calculated my BMR. It's just over 2000 with the "sedentary" activity level, so i'll stick with that # since i just started working out again.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by LilacBruze

Telling me I have to avoid meat makes me render the other aspects of the diet as complete hooey.

This. ^^^

As I suspected, I was a bit dehydrated yesterday from the wine so I am back up 2 of the 3.1 that I dropped yesterday. Still only 0.2 above LDW and I had yoga last night which generally makes me retain a little bit. I am iron fasting this week in prep for some blood tests Friday and BOY does THAT make a difference! Woke up this morning to a chilly 96.6 temp. Haven't seen one that low in a couple of years! Guess I need the iron, huh? I think this is going to make for a pretty miserable and hypo week... BOO!

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Yes, I was glad at least that I'm a O and can have lotsa meat
I'm just going to give this the old college try..... the main thing for me is stay away from dairy and see if that helps. Switch up a couple other things, and see if the inflammation goes down and the weight stabilizes. Apparently I was eating too many of the "avoid" things all at once and in rather large amounts.

Today, I ate:
3 eggs
coffee with 2 tbls hnh (DAIRY)
2 tbl almond butter
chicken drumstick
salmon filet with less than 1 tbl cream cheese (DAIRY ALERT)
celery stalks
lotsa blueberries

trial and error!

That sounds pretty yummy, actually! How does today look after yesterday’s menu?

[catkin]

Originally Posted by KelliC

I have got to get that blood type diet book, I talked about it a while back but never got it. It sounds like a very interesting read, I'm curious as to my hubby's no nos.

What's hubby's type and is he negative or positive? Maybe we can help!

[dbunny]

Down 2 from the GY day that turned into a GY / Steak day. Still have one more to go to get into my window. Note to self: do not have biscuits and gravy and a patty melt with fries on the same day. Oh, and pizza the night before. Went a little carb crazy. Back to P3 eating for a while, then EASE back into P4.

[Viola De Lesseps]

GYCD, while not enjoyable, netted a 3# loss! I was worried I didn't drink enough water, but I guess it worked all right. I will eat normally today, and hydrate!! Hopefully my body will drop another 1-2#s today, like it has in previous weeks after indulgence. Another CD is in the works later this week... steak, egg and cheese day sounds most appealing!!

Off to catch up on posts...

[julieboolie]

Morning all!!

Shelby and LB-I'm A as well and could never thrive as a vegetarian I will try to incorporate more veggies in my diet though to see if it helps. Great job being right near LDW ladies! Very inspiring!!

dbunny and miami-I'll be doing repeat CD's this week too. I know you're not supposed to do them back to back, but I remember someone doing it that way. Can't recall if they had success or not? I'll just keep it clean today w.o bounce back and do a GYCD tomorrow.

Miami-good job on the tae bo!! Once you get back into it the working out really makes me feel better. There must be something to the enorphins!

Paula-glad you're in your window!! I'm looking forward to seeing mine by the end of the week

Jod-great job on your CD!!

Marie-hope your first dairy free day rewarded you!! I'd be lost w.o my cow!!

Millenia-how are you today?

Cat-are you checking in too? How's your poor mouth?

My steak day netted me a 3.4lb loss, so I'm still 1lb above my window today. That's great though. I'm SO not complaining!! After lifting pretty heavy yesterday and being a tad sore today I'm happy w/ that loss. I will keep it clean P3 today and plan on another CD tomorrow (if needed). I like GY, so I may eat a bunch of it today just to eat it. Wonder if that will effect the success of a GYCD tomorrow?

Enjoying my coffee and quiet time b/4 the girls get up. I love homeschooling, and it's going great, but the "alone time" is a rare treat.

Have a wonderful day!!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by Viola De Lesseps

GYCD, while not enjoyable, netted a 3# loss! I was worried I didn't drink enough water, but I guess it worked all right. I will eat normally today, and hydrate!! Hopefully my body will drop another 1-2#s today, like it has in previous weeks after indulgence. Another CD is in the works later this week... steak, egg and cheese day sounds most appealing!!

Off to catch up on posts...

Yeah!! I love the GYCD. I decided to mix it up yesteday as I fear I'm overdoing the GYCD and it may stop working for me . Glad you're heading back down. I'm right htere w/ you!

[Viola De Lesseps]

Originally Posted by Jodarina

Yesterday's GY CD put me down 2.8 lbs and back in my window!

Nice!! Those GYCDs really work!!

Originally Posted by paulabob

Lost 1.8 last night after my high protein steak and cheese day! Back in window!

Nice!! Do you do steak, egg and cheese, or just steak and cheese? S,E,&C is my favorite CD, even if my losses aren't usually as stellar as other CDs

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Happy to report---im back in my window--still 1.2 over LDW but I'll take it. I guess my "poor mans" CD worked!

Today is a P3 eating day, as recommended to do on the "alternate CD week". Tommorrow is a Greek yogurt CD---easy to do but usually leaves me hungry @ night...but I'll get thru with water and decaf green tea. Then Thursday is P3 eating again. Hopefully this will put me at or below my LDW.

Nice loss! This is my plan as well...the GYCD left me hungry as well! I made burgers for DH and the kid and I was practically drooling.

Originally Posted by shelbyla

As I suspected, I was a bit dehydrated yesterday from the wine so I am back up 2 of the 3.1 that I dropped yesterday. Still only 0.2 above LDW and I had yoga last night which generally makes me retain a little bit. I am iron fasting this week in prep for some blood tests Friday and BOY does THAT make a difference! Woke up this morning to a chilly 96.6 temp. Haven't seen one that low in a couple of years! Guess I need the iron, huh? I think this is going to make for a pretty miserable and hypo week... BOO!

I hope your week isn't too hard on ya! Glad you are still very close to LDW

Originally Posted by dbunny

Down 2 from the GY day that turned into a GY / Steak day. Still have one more to go to get into my window. Note to self: do not have biscuits and gravy and a patty melt with fries on the same day. Oh, and pizza the night before. Went a little carb crazy. Back to P3 eating for a while, then EASE back into P4.

Biscuits and gravy is divine! I always load with b&g!! Glad your GYCD worked for ya!

Originally Posted by julieboolie

My steak day netted me a 3.4lb loss, so I'm still 1lb above my window today. That's great though. I'm SO not complaining!! After lifting pretty heavy yesterday and being a tad sore today I'm happy w/ that loss. I will keep it clean P3 today and plan on another CD tomorrow (if needed). I like GY, so I may eat a bunch of it today just to eat it. Wonder if that will effect the success of a GYCD tomorrow?

Nice loss!!

I've been curious about the blood type diet, though I'm definitely skeptical... It is interesting to see what others are supposed to avoid, etc.
I'm doing pilates later today and maybe clean out the scary closet I've been avoiding!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by Viola De Lesseps

Nice!! Do you do steak, egg and cheese, or just steak and cheese? S,E,&C is my favorite CD, even if my losses aren't usually as stellar as other CDs

This is the first time I did it so I did it just like Simeons said, 2 eggs for breakfast and steak and cheese for lunch and supper. I wasn't sure it would work since it's supposed to be for when you're protein deficient, so I'm really pleased at 1.8.

I had to run to the grocery store at 7 am yesterday since the family finished all of the eggs the day before. They don't eat eggs for a month and then down all the eggs in one day.

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by catkin

What's hubby's type and is he negative or positive? Maybe we can help!

Mine is A. What do you guys know about that?

I recently tested cholesterol, glucose, triglycerides, etc and everything was great (they had free testing at my gym).

[Millenia98]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Millenia-how are you today?

Heya Jules!

I'm good today. I'm at LDW - same as yesterday even though my meals weren't great yesterday and not balanced. But I didn't overeat. TOM is gone and before TOM, I was 1.5lbs under LDW. Now I'm right at LDW. After it left, my body never took me ALL the way back down to being under LDW, but oh well. No biggie. I probably wasn't supposed to live there then.

Enjoy that rare treat of alone time. That feels so good!

[amylou]

Originally Posted by LilacBruze

My blood type A says I should have lots of yogurt, lol.

After my major whoosh yesterday netting me .8 lb under LDW, I did not do a correction day. I then proceeded to be a little piggie with a tapeworm again. I had a protein shake for lunch with an Atkins cookie. For dinner, I basically ate anything that wasn't nailed down. I mixed Fage (the entire 17oz container) with strawberry protein powder, Torani syrup, and whipping cream, it was sooooo good. I then had 2 cheddar Vienna hot dogs and a cheeseburger with turkey bacon and a little bit of s/f ketchup and some mayo. Was then so full I was uncomfortable.

Not surprisingly, I am up to a more normal .4 lb above LDW today, there's still a lot of food to move in there, lol.

I agree with most aspects of the blood type diet. Type A's are the farmers. It is true that my ancestors (heck, even my grandparents) were farmers. When I was a little girl in Romania, the only dairy I had came from goat's milk. I didn't have a lot of meat or grain but rather lots of veggies, particularly root veggies. I did eat a lot of chicken and eggs. It makes sense to me. But I don't agree with the meat I am supposed to avoid. I have always enjoyed meat as an adult and it has always been good to my body. Telling me I have to avoid meat makes me render the other aspects of the diet as complete hooey.

I'm an A too...and I could not live vegetarian. I can understand some of the sensitivities of dairy and wheat...but avoid meat. Nuh-uh! On the "avoid" list I read acidic things too...vinegar, mayo, etc. What would I put on my vegetarian salad?? Dry? Again. Nuh-uh!

At least coffee is A-approved!

I found my pellets!!!! OMG I scoured my house...honestly could not remember where the heck I hid them. They were at work . The plan is to load this weekend...but I don't know if I'm mentally ready for P2 again...

[Viola De Lesseps]

Originally Posted by Millenia98

I'm good today. I'm at LDW - same as yesterday even though my meals weren't great yesterday and not balanced. But I didn't overeat. TOM is gone and before TOM, I was 1.5lbs under LDW. Now I'm right at LDW. After it left, my body never took me ALL the way back down to being under LDW, but oh well. No biggie. I probably wasn't supposed to live there then.

Enjoy that rare treat of alone time. That feels so good!

That is pretty stable! I love alone time... I set up the kid in the bedroom to paint so I can have my coffee in peace

[Wigglesmom]

Originally Posted by Viola De Lesseps

That is pretty stable! I love alone time... I set up the kid in the bedroom to paint so I can have my coffee in peace

Kid...Paint...Alone in bedroom? Now THAT sounds scary!