rouge?

[lovelymc72]

please tell me what this is?

[dazygyrl]

rogue is anything you do to alter the original protocol to fit your style.

my rogue-ness consists of:

more protein
mix the heck out of veggies
alternate sources of grain/starch
use lotion/creams everyday
more than 500 calories. i will allow up to 700 if need them, but don't generally need that much. my calories are usually no more than 525 everyday.

[metqa]

rogue (rg)
n.
1. An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or rascal.
2. One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
3. A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
4. A vicious and solitary animal, especially an elephant that has separated itself from its herd.
5. An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation from a standard.
adj.
1. Vicious and solitary. Used of an animal, especially an elephant.
2. Large, destructive, and anomalous or unpredictable: a rogue wave; a rogue tornado.
3. Operating outside normal or desirable controls: "How could a single rogue trader bring down an otherwise profitable and well-regarded institution?" (Saul Hansell).
v. rogued, rogu·ing, rogues
v.tr.
1. To defraud.
2. To remove (diseased or abnormal specimens) from a group of plants of the same variety.
v.intr.
To remove diseased or abnormal plants.

rogue [rəʊg]
n
1. a dishonest or unprincipled person, esp a man; rascal; scoundrel
2. Often jocular a mischievous or wayward person, often a child; scamp
3. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Agriculture) a crop plant which is inferior, diseased, or of a different, unwanted variety
4.
a. any inferior or defective specimen
b. (as modifier) rogue heroin
5. Archaic a vagrant
6. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Zoology)
a. an animal of vicious character that has separated from the main herd and leads a solitary life
b. (as modifier) a rogue elephant
vb
(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Agriculture)
a. (tr) to rid (a field or crop) of plants that are inferior, diseased, or of an unwanted variety
b. to identify and remove such plants

to be rogue is the #3 definition to go a different path to see if it works as well as the original. Many HCG clinics are rogue when they promote homoepathic, or different doses, or different veggies, or mixing of veggies, or higher caloric amounts, modern products, etc.

It's hip to be square; It's fun to go rogue!

[lovelymc72]

have u been able to lose doing rouge? where do you get recipes for this rouge way.

[metqa]

My rogue plan was:

Protein amount based on my lean body mass. 89g of protein that's twice the protein
up to 700 calories per day
100 of those calories can be from grains, such as whole grain wheat crackers or Fat free popcorn
the fruits are the same with the additional choice of blueberries or watermelon
Very lean meats including turkey and yellowfin ( not bluefin) tuna
Protein powder mix , low calorie, low sugar
Fat Free Dairy for extra protein and calcium
Unlimited celery or lettuces, and limited low calorie/carb veggies and some higher cal ones like peppers, mushrooms, and pumpkin
beverages that are not caffienated or high in sodium/sugar/diuretics count toward water consumption

I've done many rounds and i've lost as little as 8lbs and as much as 15 pounds. This rough plan I lost 10lbs which seems to be within the range of my typical losses. I'm not losing much because I'm close to my goal and I've had to relose weight from illness and meds, but I have to say this round has been more pleasant than previous rounds and I'm happy with the losses I got. I can be sure I wouldn't have lost faster because I did it pure and proper before and got the same daily losses average.

I'm happy being rogue. My recipes are the same as what I get from cookbooks, I just omit any food item not on the plan and use the recipe the same. I've cooked chinese style, vietnamise style, Japanese Style, Thai style. I've made Shepards pie with lean ground beef and mashed cauliflower. The hardest part is no fat for cooking but I got a nice non stick skillet to help with that. Soups are great, bouillion and veggies and meat of choice. I use different spices like curry, cumin, hot peppers, garlic, onion, fish sauce, miso, Boiled Shrimp shells for shrimp broth. Baked fish with dry seasoning, Sashimi ( raw fish) as long as it's shrimp or yellowtail tuna. yellow tail is as low as chicken and turkey in fat.

I got my plan by combining P&I, Omaha WL and Lyle McD's Protein Sparing Modified Fast.

[dazygyrl]

i lose doing this rogue.

i make my own recipes.

[lovelymc72]

can you use fat free dressings. thats the one thing I fear I will not be able to give up. I dont mind the veggies, but plain.... i dont know.

[dazygyrl]

i use walden farms dressings that can be bought on netrition. click on the highlighted walden farms and it will take you right to it on the site.

[Sleepy]

i guess i am considered rogue
i too did not give up lotions/creams
i ate a little more protein on the days needed
i always use celery AND onion in my soups
and occasionally i had the 100 cal microwave popcorn instead of the breadsticks
made it much more tolerable and something to look forward to in the evenings

i would LOVE to use pumpkin this time.....what are you using it in?

[dazygyrl]

so just for reference on what a rogue meal might look like. here are 2 of my recipes. i absolutely LOVE the squashghetti and will continue to eat that on p3 only with added fat and more protein. same with the mexican chili, just with no beans for p3.


mexican chili WITH chili beans (first time with these so we'll see how things go with them, this instead of a grain)


SQUASHGHETTI

[metqa]

I use the pumpkin to thicken a soup into a stew. for example Beef and mushrooms, I add beef powder and canned pumpkin puree, and it becomes beefy mushroom stew.

Add curry spice and powder and you have a curry sauce. Add sweetener and cinnamon and clove and you have a mini pumpkin pie dessert. Add to chili to make it a bit smoother ( sometimes beanless chili tastes really sharp and acrid from the tomatos and spice)

Maple Groves, found in the diabetic section of Kroger, has sugar free dressings I like. Raspberry vinagrette and Balsamic Vinagrette. they are only5 calories per 2Tablespoons. Walden's farms Blue and Ranch dressing are very thin, but make a suitable "drizzle" sauce IMO. I couldn't use WF as dressings though, the flavor was too thin, but to soak some cucumbers in they were fine.

McCormicks Imitation Butter flavor helps a lot too. Ack I forgot to get some from the store just now! You can simmer your veggies in Fat Free broth with a couple of drops of that for a buttery flavor.

[garnet10]

You guys have me very, very interested in going "rogue" now!! This is my fourth round, and I am only 12 days into this round and already starting to feel the strain of eating broiled chicken breast nearly every day. I'm really getting sick of it.

Today I purchased ground chicken breast at Whole Foods, so I'm hoping that helps. But the chance to eat other veggies and mix veggies is very appealing.

I'm just so nervous about going off-protocol--I'm so close to my goal, I'm not sure I want to risk having to stay on the diet longer if I lose weight slower.

Have you still lost the average 1/2 pound per day going "rogue"?

[metqa]

Days 1-4, 1lb+ average
Days 5-10, 0.88lb-0.7lb average
Days 11-14, 0.5lb+ average
Up to day 21, I had 0.44lb average and after that, I averaged 1/3lb/day.

This was NOT linear at all more like this
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But I'm happy with the results. I was supposed to stop sooner while I had larger per day averages but I had to time my Interruption with an event. so I kept going and losses typically slow for me toward the end of a round. I still lost during the 3 days transition.

If you are gonna go rogue mid round, I'd be careful not to go too rogue all at once. Choose only one aspect to change so if something wild happens you'll know. like try mixing veggies but keepign 500 limit, or go above 500 but don't mix, or add more lean meat but not more fruti or veggies. Have some kind of control for your variable to measure against.

I went completely rogue this round so from the start all things were equal.

[nmbnancy]

I'm not rogue, but I'd love your squashghetti receipe so I could use it in P3

[dazygyrl]

not too much to it.

however much squash you want to grate up, i generally use 200g for one (p2) portion.
however much meat you want to use. for p2, i use 3.75-4oz of ground beef or 4-6 oz of chicken.
1/2 c Hunt's No Sugar Added spaghetti sauce

brown meat. add squash. cook to desired consistency for squash...i don't like it mushy so only let it simmer for 3-5 min. add sauce. and ENJOY!

[privatediva]

I have obeyed my doc's plan explicitly, but am "rogue" to Simeon. I am on Day 57 of my (hopefully) first and last round. I've lost, consistently, since the second week, an average of .64 lbs a day. I mix vegetables, including broccoli, cauliflower, peppers and mushrooms. I can include turkey but no ground beef at all. I do not use the melba or grissini (not on my Dr's plan). There are also a couple of fruits on his plan that aren't on Simeon's (blue and black berries and I'm not sure what else might not be there). There is no prohibition about lotions, cosmetics, and I am allowed 2 diet sodas a day, as well as a ten calorie premade snack pack of Sugar Free Jello. And...I am old as dirt and diabetic. You'll probably lose faster than me.

[metqa]

In case I offended anyone with my post before, I wanted to point out that while I chose to edit the HCG plan to suit me, I do advise people to read the original Pounds & Inches manual and refer to it for any basic instructions on how to follow protocol.

I don't want anyone to think that I think my way is the best way or better than HCG protocol,it's just a different way that I've found that works for me. I don't want my personal edits to be misconstrued as Dr.Simeons plan. There is NO WAY I'd make fun of anyone for choosing to follow the original Dr. Simeons Pounds & Inches plan as written. I did for many rounds, I'm glad I did and I still defend the original plan even if I choose not to follow it.

Even Dr. S had an opinion about us Rogue people

The most tiresome patients are those who start counting calories and then come up with all manner of ingenious variations which they compile from their little books. When one has spent years of weary research trying to make a diet as attractive as possible without jeopardizing the loss of weight, culinary geniuses who are out to improve their unhappy lot are hard to take.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by metqa

In case I offended anyone with my post before, I wanted to point out that while I chose to edit the HCG plan to suit me, I do advise people to read the original Pounds & Inches manual and refer to it for any basic instructions on how to follow protocol.

I don't want anyone to think that I think my way is the best way or better than HCG protocol,it's just a different way that I've found that works for me. I don't want my personal edits to be misconstrued as Dr.Simeons plan. There is NO WAY I'd make fun of anyone for choosing to follow the original Dr. Simeons Pounds & Inches plan as written. I did for many rounds, I'm glad I did and I still defend the original plan even if I choose not to follow it.

Even Dr. S had an opinion about us Rogue people

Metqa

You are so sweet to post this You know how I feel about Dr S I don't stray from his food choices at all. I would rather do without veggies than mix them up or add any that are not on that list. Although some consider me rogue in that I put half and half in my coffee I don't consider that rogue, because Dr S does allow for milk....and what is half and half but 1/2 milk??!! Ahh the joys of being rogue

[Kimberli33]

I guess im rogue...I use my Face lotion,have had to use a small amt. of cortisone,mix veggies,eat greek yogurt and eggs even had peppermint tea(w/o thinking )and .....I've lost 9lbs since Friday(3 of those LOADING days!!)I LOVE hhcg

[Nicole T]

I did strict protocol for the first 21 days and then I "went rogue" LOL I figured after 21 days I would have a clear pattern and then if I changed things up a bit I'd know if it was affecting me negatively. Here are the ways I went rogue and I can now say (at day 51 on P2) that they did NOT negatively affect my losses No matter what I ate though, I always stayed under 500 calories!

~Mixed veggies (often mixing onions with my cabbage with some canned tomatoes)
~Ate broccoli and zucchini since they are both listed right along with cabbage and the other "allowed" veggies on the glycemic scale
~ate 99% fat free ground turkey (a lot!)
~sometimes eat 1 egg with 2 egg whites and spinach (in place of meat)
~use 1 T of half and half in my morning coffee (and even sometimes have a second coffee in the evening for "dessert")
~sometimes have 4 oz of 2% cottage cheese with 5 strawberries for a snack
~used a quick spray of butter flavored Pam in my pans when sauteing veggies
~use I Can't Believe It's Not Butter spray from time to time on my broccoli
~at the end of the day, I eat 1 very small square of sugar-free dark chocolate bar from Trader Joes

Wow--I didn't realize just how rogue I was until I typed out this list! LOL But I'm glad I did strict protocol first so I could have something to compare it to. Check out the OWL diet to see a complete rogue protocol of the hcg diet.

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by metqa

Days 1-4, 1lb+ average
Days 5-10, 0.88lb-0.7lb average
Days 11-14, 0.5lb+ average
Up to day 21, I had 0.44lb average and after that, I averaged 1/3lb/day.

This was NOT linear at all more like this
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But I'm happy with the results. I was supposed to stop sooner while I had larger per day averages but I had to time my Interruption with an event. so I kept going and losses typically slow for me toward the end of a round. I still lost during the 3 days transition.

If you are gonna go rogue mid round, I'd be careful not to go too rogue all at once. Choose only one aspect to change so if something wild happens you'll know. like try mixing veggies but keepign 500 limit, or go above 500 but don't mix, or add more lean meat but not more fruti or veggies. Have some kind of control for your variable to measure against.

I went completely rogue this round so from the start all things were equal.

I think the thing I like the most is the mixing vegetables idea--so I'm going to try that first. I appreciate your thoughts!