HCG with EFGT meals

[fozzie99]

Hi,
Anyone out there doing HCG but using EFGT ratios (Fat 60% Protein 25% Carbs 15% approx.) for meals?

[catkin]

hhcg releases your stored fat into the bloodstream for fuel( anywhere from 2500-3000 calories), you do not want to eat fat other than what little is in the prescribed 500 calorie plan during this time, it would defeat the purpose of taking the hhcg. You want your body to utilize the abnormal stored fat!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Hi,
Anyone out there doing HCG but using EFGT ratios (Fat 60% Protein 25% Carbs 15% approx.) for meals?

I assume you mean with normal calorie levels instead of reduced calorie levels? Cause 25% protein on 500 calories would only be 25 grams a day.

There are some people who have done atkins and higher calorie levels with hcg and found some success. I always say, if you can lose weight on any other plan but hcg...do it. Cause the hcg is very challenging.

It never hurts to try something new...if you do, be sure to join our alternative thread and tell us your results and how you do!

I skip the fruit/melba on the hcg and replace it with extra protein and sometimes a smidge of fat. My ratio for today is 48% fat, 43% protein, and 9% carbs with 513 calories. I usually shoot for more protein and less fat though.

[fozzie99]

Calories of around 1200 a day. To maintain my current body weight I need 3995 cal. So even at 1200 I should still use almost 2800cals a day. On HCG I was not hungry. I'm hoping that will be the case.

[sunday]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Calories of around 1200 a day. To maintain my current body weight I need 3995 cal. So even at 1200 I should still use almost 2800cals a day. On HCG I was not hungry. I'm hoping that will be the case.

This would seem to work but definitely not as fast as the 0 fat, VLC WOE. I will be watching! Good luck!

[paulabob]

That sounds like a huge calorie deficit. I would think you would lose pretty quickly!

[sunday]

Originally Posted by paulabob

That sounds like a huge calorie deficit. I would think you would lose pretty quickly!

Okay, I just now read the 3990 cals. for maintenance. Yes, it could work or should. I am watching! Good luck!

[sunday]

Also, EFGT works very well without HCG, because that is my woe with intermittent fasting.

[fozzie99]

Yes EFGT will work by itself but at 1700cal I'm sometimes hungry and I'm not willing to eat more unless I can't stand it and I miss that pound a day loss with reg. HCG.

[Lbibclc]

Keep us posted. I really want to see how this works for you.

[fozzie99]

I ate 2200cal yesterday 77% 20% 4% fat protein carb. and am up 1lb.argh. I've read that in the obese it doesn't take as many cals to sustain weight as basal metabolism would indicate I hope THEY are wrong. I mixed today friday I'm going to start HCG injections again and will eat around 2500 cals fri. and sat. then cut back as far as I can stand with percentages as above I will post results as often as I can good or bad.

[fozzie99]

EFGT will work but if you eat to satiety you will lose VERY slowly. This discourages many of us into giving up. I look at EFGT as just a more healthy way to eat not so much as a weight loss strategy and to fight insulin resistance. ****** is very inaccurate in its calories burned display as much as 1000-1200cal per day. Another thought adding to much protein is just like adding carbs as almost 60% of protein is broken down into carbs.

[Zbunny]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

EFGT will work but if you eat to satiety you will lose VERY slowly. This discourages many of us into giving up. I look at EFGT as just a more healthy way to eat not so much as a weight loss strategy and to fight insulin resistance. ****** is very inaccurate in its calories burned display as much as 1000-1200cal per day. Another thought adding to much protein is just like adding carbs as almost 60% of protein is broken down into carbs.

I'm curious to see how your experiment turns out, so please keep us posted. Interesting idea.

I'm confused about the part I bolded above. How can protein turn into carbs? Are you referring to gluconeogenesis? And in that case, isn't it closer to 50-60% of EXCESS protein that is converted to glucose? Or is it 60% of all protein? I admit I haven't read anything about this for several years, since reading Atkins' and Eades' books, so if there is new thinking on this (I have not read EFGT) I'm curious to hear it. What protein levels are you shooting for? I see you had 20% and experienced a gain, so are you going for lower than that?

Sorry for all of the questions. TIA!

[fozzie99]

I believe it's 58% of excess protein but who can really accurately determine needed protein there are several formulas out there and all give me a different number. I'm going to eat no breakfast. I don't have time mostly and it fits the idea of keeping ketogenesis going longer from the overnight fast. I'm going to have coffee with heavy cream when I wake up. At lunch I'm going to have roast pork butt and green beans enough to feel almost comfortable same for dinner. I'm going to prepack these meals to 70% 15% 15% fat carb protein. I will add butter to the mix to up the fat to the needed levels. I plan to eat the same meal day in and day out easier I love them and did I say they're easy. The reason I gained is not percentages I believe it's probably overall cal. I'm going by ****** and they don't agree with any BMR calculator I can find.
I mixed today I shoot up tommorrow AM. I'm not going to load but I'm not doing the percentages until sunday. I'm smoking 4 butts saturday to set me up for at least a 23 day round. I will faithfully report cals ratios and gains or losses.
Sorry for the long winded post! Thanks for the interest!!

[fozzie99]

Shot up this AM 175iu. Drank coffee with 2oz. heavy cream. Have devised a meal plan for start up sun. thats 585cals 74% 15% 11% fat protein carbs. It entails 1 large cup coffee with cream and 2 meals of 1.5 ozs. of pork with 1.5 cups of green beans and .5 tbls. butter. Today and tommorrow eat what I want but mostly the same ratios. Weight 345.6

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Shot up this AM 175iu. Drank coffee with 2oz. heavy cream. Have devised a meal plan for start up sun. thats 585cals 74% 15% 11% fat protein carbs. It entails 1 large cup coffee with cream and 2 meals of 1.5 ozs. of pork with 1.5 cups of green beans and .5 tbls. butter. Today and tommorrow eat what I want but mostly the same ratios. Weight 345.6

Oooh...you might reconsider the low protein portion. You are more likely to lose muscle mass if you don't get a bit more. Just my thoughts though, ignore if you please.

Good luck! And enjoy the next couple days!

[fozzie99]

Yeah I agree with you but keeping protein down is one of the toughest things to do with EFGT everthing you put in your mouth except for pure fat or oil has protein and even though more cals are from fat more grams are protein. When I cheat (not if) it will be protein. I've done the math with several different formulas and my range of protein guns from about 55g to almost 150g a day which is correct? Who can be sure?

[LaraSuzz]

imho, fat will not work with Hcg. It might even make you gain.

[fozzie99]

Lived in AZ. for over 12 years 7 in Tucson love it. When on HCG almost all of you energy is coming from fat....body fat. I'm just replacing some of the protein in the diet with fat to keep the carbs even lower therefore insulin levels and ketogenesis going longer and increase satiety. No fructose no starch. Calories are still low. I've done 2 43 day rounds of HCG and know I can loose on even 1000 cals. a day. Time will tell if this is better or easier for me it's only 23 days for the first round.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Yeah I agree with you but keeping protein down is one of the toughest things to do with EFGT everthing you put in your mouth except for pure fat or oil has protein and even though more cals are from fat more grams are protein. When I cheat (not if) it will be protein. I've done the math with several different formulas and my range of protein guns from about 55g to almost 150g a day which is correct? Who can be sure?

I'ts about 104*here humid Monsoon season, rain tonight but who knows.

I like your theory... Pork and green beans yum.

I will be doing strict protocol. 125ml injections loading tonight thru Sunday night.
Lunch will be 200 grams lean beef and 1apple...
Dinner will be 2 servings of veggies (Spinach) and an apple.
Occasional breadstick, Coke zero and Splenda.
I eat this every day of P2 for the most part. I'm starting this Monday too.
Lots of water and tea.

Last round was 35 days lost 36 lbs gained 5 back which is normal for me. Hoping to lose 35 more and keep it off forever.

[Zbunny]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Shot up this AM 175iu. Drank coffee with 2oz. heavy cream. Have devised a meal plan for start up sun. thats 585cals 74% 15% 11% fat protein carbs. It entails 1 large cup coffee with cream and 2 meals of 1.5 ozs. of pork with 1.5 cups of green beans and .5 tbls. butter. Today and tommorrow eat what I want but mostly the same ratios. Weight 345.6

Wait, are you really only eating 3 oz. of protein per day? I cannot wrap my head around how that is not detrimental. I see your post saying that EFGT advocates keeping your protein down, but surely the author is not intending you to have that little? I know you're trying to combine the two plans, but this does not sound healthy, Fozzie. If that's what his ratios are giving you, I think you really need to adjust them to fit with this low calorie program. Avoid the non-veggie carbs, no problem, but we are already in a protein deficit on hcg with 7 oz. -- I cannot imagine going any lower than that. Please take care of your health!

[fozzie99]

I've been checking on the amounts of fat and carbs and protein in pork and the package label says there are 24cals lower than the online calorie counter indicates per ounce. If I use this figure I can increase my meat amounts to 4.5 ozs. I also really expect to cheat....when I feel the need I nibble....an ounce or so of lean pork or ground beef. I did this all through my second round of HCG and had good success.

[fozzie99]

Sat. AM. 2nd day of shots pigged out yesterday 1745Cals. 79% 17% 4% fat protein carb. Weight 343.0 down 2.6lbs skeptical of this. Went to breakfast today with wife (pronounced Wif-EE) ordered 2 pancakes 3 egg sausage and cheese omlette hash browns and coffee with half and half. Ate the pancakes with butter and syrup......and I was DONE....actually OVERDONE!!!
I was actually a little overfull and disgusted! I love to eat and I CAN'T. Put the omlette and hash browns in a takeout box for dinner. I was planning on Chinese for lunch but don't know if I can even do that.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

EFGT will work but if you eat to satiety you will lose VERY slowly. This discourages many of us into giving up. I look at EFGT as just a more healthy way to eat not so much as a weight loss strategy and to fight insulin resistance. ****** is very inaccurate in its calories burned display as much as 1000-1200cal per day. Another thought adding to much protein is just like adding carbs as almost 60% of protein is broken down into carbs.

General question for you. Is there an alternate to ****** that you like? Thanks!

[Lbibclc]

I have been using Livestrong for two years. I like it and can use it on my I-touch. I can also put my own recipes in (like P2) chili and it will figure my calories.

[fozzie99]

I have never heard of that one I've looked into several others but liked ****** better. I'll check it out.
I really pigged today went to chinese buffet was full after 1 not overlarge plate but didn't stop because it's my last chance at this for a long time again.
Eaten about 3500 cals today with sugars and starches!

[Wigglesmom]

I use *********. They also have an app that I use for my Droid.

[catkin]

Thank you for the recs!

[fozzie99]

I've looked at both rec's like ********* may switch.
Ate 4500cals yesterday!!!!
Weight 350.4 I skeptical of that. 3 day of shots am still going to eat non allowed foods today mostly because I had a leftover box to finish off....sad.
Will start mon. am. with 500-700cal a day 60-70%fat 15-20%protein 15-20%carb. Will try to post daily.

[Wigglesmom]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I've looked at both rec's like ********* may switch.
Ate 4500cals yesterday!!!!
Weight 350.4 I skeptical of that. 3 day of shots am still going to eat non allowed foods today mostly because I had a leftover box to finish off....sad.
Will start mon. am. with 500-700cal a day 60-70%fat 15-20%protein 15-20%carb. Will try to post daily.

If anyone uses ********* and wants to be a buddy there, I have the same name there too. It would be nice to see how others are doing food/menu-wise.

If you join or switch, look me up.