HCG with EFGT meals

[rede4nw]

Well, I hope more people find out because I really believe in hCG and I think more people would stick to the program if they knew that they could do the 500 cals but with more satisfying fats. 500 calories is probably a little harder with EFGT than with the Simeons protocol, because such a big chunk of the calories are in the fat itself. So maybe a little more than 500...taking into account the hunger suppression of the hCG itself.

[fozzie99]

While doing HCG with EFGT meals I was doing about 1200 cals a day sometimes more. There is a program called OWL Omaha Weight Loss that is a variation of the HCG protocol they allow more varied foods and promise losses of 15 lbs a month for men a litle less for women. I have found you can do more cals if you cut the carbs way down and add a little fat. You'll lose about .5 - .75 lbs a day. No one seems to do what's claimed on HCG protocol 1 -2 lbs a day. I don't know why maybe human nature won't allow it.

[rede4nw]

I never heard of OWL, and if I did I probably would have thought it was one of the Atkins Rungs. I have always told my group that are interested in hCG, that men lose at double the rate of women and usually at a pound per day especially in the beginning. I usually find that women will lose more in the beginning and then depending on the length of the round it will average out to .5 for the full term, in some cases a little more, but never at the average of male clients.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by rede4nw

I never heard of OWL, and if I did I probably would have thought it was one of the Atkins Rungs. I have always told my group that are interested in hCG, that men lose at double the rate of women and usually at a pound per day especially in the beginning. I usually find that women will lose more in the beginning and then depending on the length of the round it will average out to .5 for the full term, in some cases a little more, but never at the average of male clients.

That was me, averaged .5 per day for my first 4 rounds, then it went down to .2-.3 lb per day. Some women do lose at one pound per day, but it's definitely not the average. I try not to get jealous of how fast guys lose. After all, they might lose fast but they tend to have more health problems and shorter lives, so I figure these things must balance out on some cosmic scale.

[metqa]

I did a a variation of OWL my last round. More variety of vegetable, and my choice to include more meats, but I still followed a low fat approach.

I'm psyching myself up to do it again and I waffle between my old plan and trying Fozzies Plan. I got an average of .44lb losses ( I have a metric scale)

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by paulabob

That was me, averaged .5 per day for my first 4 rounds, then it went down to .2-.3 lb per day. Some women do lose at one pound per day, but it's definitely not the average. I try not to get jealous of how fast guys lose. After all, they might lose fast but they tend to have more health problems and shorter lives, so I figure these things must balance out on some cosmic scale.

Wow! PaulaBob I am encouraged by your stats! I was beginning to think that hCG was not as helpful after the first few rounds but I see your numbers were pretty consistent and only slowed as you got closer to goal! That makes me even more determined to do it upon my return from my trip to Texas!

I would not even hesitate to go with the high fat over the low fat. There is so much empirical evidence that low fat is not the answer. A new but hard to read book by Dr Su called Carbohydrates can Kill noticed that after so many years the medical community is waking up to the false assumption that Low Fat was the way to go. Even high cholesterol is being debunked by the fact that people with low cholesterol numbers are the ones being killed by heart disease with circulatory blockage and not the other way around. Even the "bad cholesterol" has an important function in transporting I think it is the bile from the liver. It has been a while since I did this research, but in almost every case it is the opposite of what has been propounded as fact by the medical "experts."

Even though I am looking forward to my trip I am even more anxious to see what I can get accomplished with the hCG on my return home! Thanks for your informative note!

[fozzie99]

A great book to read is "Why We Get Fat" by Taubes. Basicly we have been screwed by the medial community because of 1 study done by 1 man who lied about his findings!!! Really PMO!!!!!!

OWL has a web site that details their plan and even has pictures.

Day 11 W 326.4 627 cals 66% 32% 2% FPC.

[rede4nw]

What are your average losses using HCG as opposed to just EFGT? I was reading some FAQs about OWL last night. the Dr that posted does not permit coconut oil, hence chocolate delight, which saved me from going off the reservation many times on hCG, so I would have to tweak it even more, but I think that is basically what I was doing on rogue hCG anyway. I did not really restrict my veg, did not eat the fruit except on very rare occasion when the recipe I had called for it--usually an orange or an apple but never 2 in one day. This site also allowed even more Melba or Grissini and even regular bread if the cals were 100 cals and only 15 fat--
I guess no matter what if you know your own body you know what you can tolerate and what will send you off the charts!

[fozzie99]

My average losses on HCG following protocol were about .75 - 1lb a day but when you calculate P3 and P4 my average losses per day go way down. On EFGT my losses were only 1 0r 2 lbs every 3 weeks or so but no P3 or P4 to deal with. HCG with EFGT seemed to do better just because it was easier to stay with and carbs were much lower calories were much higher and still averaged .5 or better a day and no P3. Now I'm on HCG with noodles and no carbs at all added just protein and a little fat. My losses so far are at just under a pound a day with a couple of days over 1600cals most under 600.
I'm eating 8oz of noodles with 2oz of pork when hungry 3 or sometime 4 times a day so 1 of those is meatless just bullion and spice. I'm always comfortable.
I sometimes have 1/4 cup HWC in coffee in the AM. As long as I stay away from straight protein and have it with noodles cals are down (I tend to nibble when hungry). I'm not sure even if I added some protein in if it would hurt losses. I'm really striving for maximum loss in minimum time.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

My average losses on HCG following protocol were about .75 - 1lb a day but when you calculate P3 and P4 my average losses per day go way down. On EFGT my losses were only 1 0r 2 lbs every 3 weeks or so but no P3 or P4 to deal with. HCG with EFGT seemed to do better just because it was easier to stay with and carbs were much lower calories were much higher and still averaged .5 or better a day and no P3. Now I'm on HCG with noodles and no carbs at all added just protein and a little fat. My losses so far are at just under a pound a day with a couple of days over 1600cals most under 600.
I'm eating 8oz of noodles with 2oz of pork when hungry 3 or sometime 4 times a day so 1 of those is meatless just bullion and spice. I'm always comfortable.
I sometimes have 1/4 cup HWC in coffee in the AM. As long as I stay away from straight protein and have it with noodles cals are down (I tend to nibble when hungry). I'm not sure even if I added some protein in if it would hurt losses. I'm really striving for maximum loss in minimum time.

Well p3 and p4 are not about losing, only maintaining, so even the losses of a couple of pounds are remarkable, considering that the EFGT guidelines are way more than the p3 limits would have been and p4 well it is supposed to be whatever, right?
I think you have been unconsciously doing JUDDD since Day 8 Up Day Down Day and the losses are still there so it is not necessarily SLOW losses in your case. Keep up the great job. You inspire us all to find the best method or a blend of methods to make it to our goals!!

[fozzie99]

Yeah but I doing HCG right now......also I've looked at my cals since I've started this round and I'm well under 1000cals everyday but 2. Mostly under 600.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Yeah but I doing HCG right now......also I've looked at my cals since I've started this round and I'm well under 1000cals everyday but 2. Mostly under 600.

How many people following Simeon's protocol can say that? Some people freak at every little cheat, nevermind that the menu you primarily eat is completely taboo! In fact, I think the only thing you have in common with the calorie count (most days) and the fact that you inject the hCG. That's it! and yet you have losses that rival the person forced to eat chicken breast and and apple every day! Not much in the way of comparision, except for me...I would miss vegetables if I could not have them to accomplish a zero carb intake, which I think is overboard for me. If I have to lose a little slower and have foods that nourish me, I will definitely go that route. something like the fat flush for 3 days ok...but not a 40-50 day regimen...could not hack it.

[fozzie99]

I occasionally miss veggies......I've been having this craving for......wait for it.....BRUSSEL SPROUTS!!!!! I did the protocol first round stayed good all cheats were small bits of protein it's comforting in someways to have the iron clad rules to follow. Then I discovered how much room for variation there is. That is very freeing but also scary controls are not as strong easier to go off the rails. I have bags of cauli and broccoli in my freezer and once in a while I'll have some but for now I can live without for the chance to drop lbs faster. My biggest problem with cheating is those spur of the moment opportunities.........open the fridge door while a little hungry or just craving and spot the cream cheese oops.....ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! How many time do you open the fridge door and look but you are not hungry?

[fozzie99]

Day 12 W 329.6 ????? 799cals 64% 34% 1% FPC. Had a big hunk of cream cheese this morning GRRRR!

[fozzie99]

Rede4nw Thanks for turning me on to HealthyVillage just ordered 5lbs of GLU $11.16 a pound! How many tablespoons in a pound? Just kidding. A lot of tbsp for little money.

[rede4nw]

I haven't used it for noodles as I thought it was the culprit in mine not forming right. I ordered a single pound from KF and just used the HV for shakes and puddings. I still have a lot left, if it works in your recipe, be sure to let me know, if you notice any changes etc. The owner, Steve Marsden, is a nice guy, very chatty. I think mine came out a lot more yellow?? It has been too many experiments ago...

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I occasionally miss veggies......I've been having this craving for......wait for it.....BRUSSEL SPROUTS!!!!! I did the protocol first round stayed good all cheats were small bits of protein it's comforting in someways to have the iron clad rules to follow. Then I discovered how much room for variation there is. That is very freeing but also scary controls are not as strong easier to go off the rails. I have bags of cauli and broccoli in my freezer and once in a while I'll have some but for now I can live without for the chance to drop lbs faster. My biggest problem with cheating is those spur of the moment opportunities.........open the fridge door while a little hungry or just craving and spot the cream cheese oops.....ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! How many time do you open the fridge door and look but you are not hungry?

That is a killer! When you see something and it is not that bad...but then you eat too much...like you said when you are not even hungry. I think boredom, not necessarily with the diet, has derailed me more than a few times. These long road trips my mind always turns to food, not for the flavor, but for the diversion.... The good thing is that with your determination you will get back on track. Do you have any calorie burning repentance in mind? ha ha

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Day 12 W 329.6 ????? 799cals 64% 34% 1% FPC. Had a big hunk of cream cheese this morning GRRRR!

I love cream cheese with my noodles and a tiny bit of HWC and protein. For me the threat would not have been the cc but what goes on it or with it. I think I am mixing up Atkins with EFGT as I am not losing anything. enjoying everything high fat low carb but definitely not losing. I need to get serious, did not meet my goal for my before TX trip in fact I gained 1.6. So frustrated with myself, I always think tomorrow I will do better. I am really worried about this trip as the carb world is where I am going to live for the next three weeks. I am going to buy my stuff as soon as possible, but little Maya started her journey into the world late last night and so my grocery shopping trip will be the last thing on anyone's mind. so it is going to be a daily struggle. Because on the EFGT I have noticed with me than almost any carbs even in tiny amounts tend to send my scale skyward. So, I sure do not want to end up where I started even though I know hcg will work--it was too hard a journey to get it off and I have been so proud of my new look. So gotta get out the big guns and stick to it!!

[fozzie99]

I know what you mean by boredom. I think more food is eaten for that reason than hunger by far. I hope the GLU works out it's a lot cheaper than Konjac or Netrition. I'll keep everybody informed on progress. That recipe CC with noodles and protein is just like my Mac & Cheese with burger but with noodles.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I know what you mean by boredom. I think more food is eaten for that reason than hunger by far. I hope the GLU works out it's a lot cheaper than Konjac or Netrition. I'll keep everybody informed on progress. That recipe CC with noodles and protein is just like my Mac & Cheese with burger but with noodles.

Yes, sometimes i vary it with a little parmesan and butter to make it an alfredo, or I will add a but of pasta sauce to make it like a vodka sauced pasta. But the noodles are what make it a success for me. I would normally way overeat with that dish and with the noodles I maintain a check, are you satisfied? full yet? to remind myself, because these flavors are also a throwback to carby days and I can still overeat just because the flavor is an emotional comfort.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by rede4nw

but little Maya started her journey into the world late last night

Born 8:06 this am. 7 pounds and 4 ounces complete with dimples!!

[fozzie99]

Way to go! I was wondering about that thought it might be a visit by the stork.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by rede4nw

Born 8:06 this am. 7 pounds and 4 ounces complete with dimples!!

Congrats, and good luck handling your time with the baby (and foods!).

That is one cute baby, and pretty name!

[Cruzcrzy]

Congratulations!!! She is beautiful.

[rede4nw]

Thank you all for the kind words and I will be sure to convey them to my son and his family! She has such a melting pot genealogy with her European, Greek and Lebanese lineage...hard to imagine that with a Texas Twang...LOL My son is already calling her MnM
(Maya Mariam) and I am sure that will not be the last of the love names. Can't wait to get there tomorrow. But I will have internet access to at least listen to you all and your great results! Hopefully my hands will be full of activity and not TexMex, PaulaBob LOL

[Cruzcrzy]

MnM, how sweet. I think that is adorable. Thanks for sharing her with us.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by Cruzcrzy

MnM, how sweet. I think that is adorable. Thanks for sharing her with us.

Thank you Cruzcrzy! We have had a lot of sorrow and grief the last 3 weeks and it is so wonderful to have someone that lifts our hearts so completely. She is adorable, even the doctor commented on her dimples as soon as she was born. Isn't that fun? What a change in my outlook and spirit! Haven't even thought of food all day!! Wish that part would continue...

[metqa]

Originally Posted by rede4nw

Born 8:06 this am. 7 pounds and 4 ounces complete with dimples!!

How Wonderful, Thanks for the Photo!

[fozzie99]

Day 13 W 326.6 1051 cals (the cream cheese) 72% 24% 4% FPC.

[Cruzcrzy]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Day 13 W 326.6 1051 cals (the cream cheese) 72% 24% 4% FPC.

TERRIFIC LOSS!! KUTGW .