HCG with EFGT meals

[fozzie99]

I'm going for all protein NO Carbs except the noodles and VLC with HCG starting Fri. am.


Day 71 W 337.6 1959calas 66% 29% 5% FPC.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I'm going for all protein NO Carbs except the noodles and VLC with HCG starting Fri. am.


Day 71 W 337.6 1959calas 66% 29% 5% FPC.

Do the glu noodles have carbs? I have been counting them as zero.

Does it mean that you are abandoning the EFGT for now and returning to strict P2 hCG protocol as of Friday morning?

[rede4nw]

I thought you said protein over body requirements is stored as carbs or something like that. Do you feel differently now as a result of your experiment?

[metqa]

Going all protein doesn't necessarily mean having too much protein. It just means that his ratios of macronutrients will be mostly protein and not as much fat and no carbs for whatever number of calories he's consuming. or to turn it around, if his Lean Body mass says he needs 150g of protein, then at least 600 of his calories will be from protein with some extra calories from incidental or deliberate fat consumption. Keeping the protein at that level will not be too much as it's exactly the amount his body needs for repair, even going a bit higher wouldnt' be too much if his body is using gluconeogenisis which uses up protein to combine with the fatty acids for his blood sugar needs. because there are always some tissue that needs glucose so it will be used up.

I dont know if that's how he's gonna do it, but he could and still be "all" protein and not have excess carbs from diet or gluconeogenesis.

[rede4nw]

Thanks, Metqa! I am sure you are correct. I just leapt to the wrong conclusion with the calorie norms up to now.

[fozzie99]

I'm going to follow protocol as far as protein and overall calories are concerned .
I record Glu noodles as having a very small amount of carbs on the order of 4g per batch just to CMA. My conclusions based on the small amount of data I've recorded are this:
I can lose on EFGT meals with HCG if I keep cals around 1200-1500 .
Losses are OK about .5 lbs a day.
I'm impatient and know I can up my losses by doing HCG with NO CARBS and VLC.
I think higher than required protein will slow losses but by a very small amount this is not clear some believe gluconeogenisis doesn't affect insulin levels significantly My protein will be close to requirements .
I have not abandoned EFGT I think it's the way to go for everyone with our problem (prone to fat) I think almost everyone should switch to this WOE at middle age onset.
I can easily maintain on EFGT and even lose if I keep my carbs VERY low(but slowly).
I started this experiment to determine 1. If HCG works (YES)2. The most efficient WoE to lose while on HCG. 3. To make it as painless as possible (EFGT with HCG).
For me I think it will be lots of noodles a little protein and VLC
with EFGT for maintenance.
I will keep posting all results good or bad.

[metqa]

Actually Red, what you asked is a good talking point since many people believe that, but it's only half true.

The body uses protein, and fatty acids, to make blood sugar, and the body can't store extra dietary protein, so it has to be changed to blood sugar, but that doesn't necessarily mean that blood sugar will be stored.

the blood sugar will only be stored if there is too much blood sugar. So a person could have an abundance of protein but if they lack carbs, then the excess protein turned Blood sugar will be burned by the neediest organs. so it may never be stored.

I think that part of simeons, requiring low calories, takes part of that into account, but low carb does also, so a diet of adequate protein+, and minimum to no carbs will have the body needing to make ALL of it's own sugar, which means it will need more protein and must break down more fat. Ideal that should lead to the best fat losses. It's literally a protein sparing Fast from Carbs and Calories with Hormonal Assist.

[fozzie99]

"It's literally a protein sparing Fast from Carbs and Calories with Hormonal Assist".
You said it perfectly!!! Metga Thank You.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

"It's literally a protein sparing Fast from Carbs and Calories with Hormonal Assist".
You said it perfectly!!! Metga Thank You.

So you think the acronym PSFFCCHA would fly?

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I'm going to follow protocol as far as protein and overall calories are concerned .
I record Glu noodles as having a very small amount of carbs on the order of 4g per batch just to CMA. My conclusions based on the small amount of data I've recorded are this:
I can lose on EFGT meals with HCG if I keep cals around 1200-1500 .
Losses are OK about .5 lbs a day.
I'm impatient and know I can up my losses by doing HCG with NO CARBS and VLC.
I think higher than required protein will slow losses but by a very small amount this is not clear some believe gluconeogenisis doesn't affect insulin levels significantly My protein will be close to requirements .
I have not abandoned EFGT I think it's the way to go for everyone with our problem (prone to fat) I think almost everyone should switch to this WOE at middle age onset.
I can easily maintain on EFGT and even lose if I keep my carbs VERY low(but slowly).
I started this experiment to determine 1. If HCG works (YES)2. The most efficient WoE to lose while on HCG. 3. To make it as painless as possible (EFGT with HCG).
For me I think it will be lots of noodles a little protein and VLC
with EFGT for maintenance.
I will keep posting all results good or bad.

I have a lot of people in my group on hcg. I have waited to see the net results for the few that were not losing with hCG to tell them about using the EFGT in combination with the hCG or even as a standalone instead of p3 if they did not lose well on hCG alone, with cheats or ??? so this is very fascinating to me and I am grateful for the time it takes to put it all down in writing and making it simple to understand. I don't believe everything I read, but seeing short and long term results can certainly make it worth the effort and documenting it accurately goes a long way towards standardizing it for others.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by metqa

so a diet of adequate protein, and minimum to no carbs will have the body needing to make ALL of it's own sugar, which means it will need more protein and must break down more fat. Ideal that should lead to the best fat losses. It's literally a protein sparing Fast from Carbs and Calories with Hormonal Assist.

This makes perfect sense. Only variables at risk are less than ideal endocrine/digestive systems that sense and send faulty signals. I love the idea of it and hope that it works as it has the potential to be a genuine solution for some of my metabolically challenged clients.

[fozzie99]

Protected fasts are a very popular type of diet for quick weight loss......programs like Medifast, Optifast ect. supervised by medical people. They work well but not good for the long term. EFGT between rounds and for lifetime maintainence I think is the way to go. Less behavorial changes therefore easier to stick with. It also is the way the medical community is finally turning back to after 50 years.........50 odd years ago the medical community had the right dope on weight loss......then they went NUTS with low fat high carbs!!!

[metqa]

Originally Posted by rede4nw

So you think the acronym PSFFCCHA would fly?

Originally Posted by rede4nw

I have a lot of people in my group on hcg. I have waited to see the net results for the few that were not losing with hCG to tell them about using the EFGT in combination with the hCG or even as a standalone instead of p3 if they did not lose well on hCG alone, with cheats or ??? so this is very fascinating to me and I am grateful for the time it takes to put it all down in writing and making it simple to understand. I don't believe everything I read, but seeing short and long term results can certainly make it worth the effort and documenting it accurately goes a long way towards standardizing it for others.

All So Selfless we are. Funny, I started HCG just to see how it worked in order to recommend it to someone else and was surprised at how well it worked. I ended up not sharing it with the person I intended but my progress and failures and those of others have helped lots of people considering the plan and making it work. It's a great community we have here, huh?

Originally Posted by fozzie99

Protected fasts are a very popular type of diet for quick weight loss......programs like Medifast, Optifast ect. supervised by medical people. They work well but not good for the long term. EFGT between rounds and for lifetime maintainence I think is the way to go. Less behavorial changes therefore easier to stick with. It also is the way the medical community is finally turning back to after 50 years.........50 odd years ago the medical community had the right dope on weight loss......then they went NUTS with low fat high carbs!!!

And then 30 Years ago it took the Low carb movement to try to reverse that. Now we are coming back somewhere in the middle where it should have been.

Heard of Chris Powell? He's marketing a HighCarb/LowCarb Cycling Diet. Isn't he lucky we all suffered through the High Carb then Low Carb years so he could basically tell people to buy into his plan to basically eat a balanced diet of moderate good carbs, enough protein and good natural fats. But hey I'm doing JUDDD so what can I say. My plan is still mostly EFGT with a low calorie day in between.

[rede4nw]

My plan is still mostly EFGT with a low calorie day in between.

I found JUDDD threads only a few days before EFGT with Fozzie99, I think I actually saw his hcg with EFGT WOE in a glucomannan thread to be accurate. In the beginning, my EFGT losses were almost like hCG, (HEAVEN!!) even though I am in p3 (extendedly, at the moment). However, of late, I am not releasing much at all, but have a lot going on stress wise as my dear MIL is fading rapidly in Miami and we have had to make several road trips to be with her as much as possible..so not sure how much cortisol and road trip non-exercise, non-sleep, reduced water etc. have factored in. So debating the same question hcg or no hcg with EFGT/ or mingle the whole shebang with JUDDD and be satisfied with slower but maintained releases.

[fozzie99]

You have to find what works for you and what you can live with. I just think EFGT sounds like the way it should be. Very low carb middling protein and fill out wit fat we seem to use fat so much more efficiently for so many things.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

You have to find what works for you and what you can live with. I just think EFGT sounds like the way it should be. Very low carb middling protein and fill out wit fat we seem to use fat so much more efficiently for so many things.

Well I do enjoy EFGT very much, and it is easy for me;...so, for sure, until this current episode resolves I will definitely be doing EFGT.

[fozzie99]

Day 1 W 337.2 2671cals 71% 25% 4% FPC. Started HCG injections this am.
NO loading (I believe it's counterproductive) though I did kinda pig on EFGT but still under cals burned for the day.
NO COFFEE THIS MORNING (no cream allowed)

[Cruzcrzy]

I agree, I believe loading is counterproductive! Against my better judgement I loaded R2, and it took me awhile to get it off. My overall loss on Round 2 was not very good. Some say the loading helps with hunger, but, I was hungry both rounds. I regretted loading in R2. Round 1 I lost while loading, so I didn't mind it then, lol. Wishing you a great round. I am still doing JUDDD and loving it.

[fozzie99]

I'm hungry this morning but I think that's probably no HCG build up in blood stream yet.
That's where loading may be OK. You eat till full while taking HCG giving it time to build up before the VLC days start.

[Cruzcrzy]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I'm hungry this morning but I think that's probably no HCG build up in blood stream yet.
That's where loading may be OK. You eat till full while taking HCG giving it time to build up before the VLC days start.

Both rounds I was hungry the first 10-11 days. It didn't make a difference for me, and I LOADED big, lol. It's not too late. You can always load if you think it will help. Most say it really does, but, how do you know, lol?

[fozzie99]

I'm not loading beyond what I ate yesterday. I do injections because when I was reasearching HCG I saw Dr. OZ's second show about HCG. He had a cardio. Dr. on who put her patients on HCG and she said only injections were effective. Since then I've found out that sublingual RXHCG is also effective although dosages are considerably higher. Your mileage may vary.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by fozzie99

I'm not loading beyond what I ate yesterday. I do injections because when I was reasearching HCG I saw Dr. OZ's second show about HCG. He had a cardio. Dr. on who put her patients on HCG and she said only injections were effective. Since then I've found out that sublingual RXHCG is also effective although dosages are considerably higher. Your mileage may vary.

I do sublingual and I feel the physical effects of the hCG in my body, things that never happen when I am off the hCG. Hope you achieve your goals this round, I have a feeling many are watching with anticipation! Depending on your findings, I may even do another round of hCG but probably not until later in the year. I am almost never hungry on hCG, (neither on EFGT the fat rocks!) but, then, I did do the loading days both times. I never really pig out, just eat things I think I might miss. The hCG kills my hunger right away so it is hard to eat when you do not have that inclination.

[metqa]

I my case my loadings are often high fat. and because of that not much to gain from it, but just being so full of fat kills hunger for a long time and made the transition to VLC a bit easier.

Kinda like when I have a huge late dinner and I don't feel like breakfast the next morn.

[rede4nw]

Originally Posted by metqa

I my case my loadings are often high fat. and because of that not much to gain from it, but just being so full of fat kills hunger for a long time and made the transition to VLC a bit easier.

Kinda like when I have a huge late dinner and I don't feel like breakfast the next morn.

Yes, I would have to say that the same was true for me. Blue Bell Ice Cream comes to mind..LOL

The only thing I did not do and which I crave on emotional days is sushi (esp california rolls )

[metqa]

i love sushi! Aw man! my kefir doesn't seem so good anymore for some reason.... Sushi is a reward food for me, a going out on the town food, an eating out with BF food...

[fozzie99]

I like sushi well enough but really love sashimi.......just great!!!

[metqa]

Oh I could eat Sashimi Every day for all three meals. I thought we were talking about off plan yummies. Sashimi is allowed on any diet plan I will ever be on..... and if ti's not I won't be on that plan!

[fozzie99]

OK I've got the "perfect" noodle maker. It makes 2/3 of a cup of noodles at a time perfect for batching 2 cup mixes. Take 2 cups cold water add 1/4 teaspoon lime mix well. Divide into three 2/3 cup parts add 1 teaspoon of glu powder to first 2/3 cup while wizzing. While it's still liquid pour into noodler attach nozzle and set aside for ten minutes. Put water on to boil when it's boiling hard extrude noodles into water. While they're cooking mix second 2/3 cup of lime water with 1 teaspoon of glu powder. Put into noodler put aside. While it's gelling gather up cooked noodles put in bowl then extrude second batch into boiling water. Repeat. They come out quite nice uniform seperate not to fat just like the "real" ones.

[metqa]

Sounds like a great process you got going there. When we gonna see pictures or a video, hmmm? and the specs for this extruder, do you have a patent on it yet?

[fozzie99]

Can't patent something so obvious......But I was thinking of selling instructions. Can be made with simple tools and beginer skills. I make atleast 1 2 cup batch a day. Today I ate less than 500cals and am feeling OK hunger wise.....hope it holds.