When does the hunger go away?

[LilacBruze]

Originally Posted by hauermich

I ate pizza, cheeseburgers and french fries on my load days so I did have fat...maybe should have eaten heavy cream on top of cream cheese on top of butter.....lol

Michele

While those foods you mentioned DO contain fat, they also contain lots of empty carbs. Pizza crust = empty carbs. Cheeseburger bun (assuming you ate the bun of course) = empty carbs. French fries, aside from the oil used to fry them in = empty carbs. By fat, they mean avocados, olive oil, peanut butter, eggs, cheeses and creams, etc. The heavy cream on top of cream cheese on top of butter would have actually been better for loading! Although it makes me just thinking about it, lol.

I really hope your hunger passes quickly! Usually, seeing the scale move down dramatically does WONDERS for your head hunger!

[debkeversole]

oh yeah too many carbs yes cream heese HWC YUM

always if you are still hungry have more of your veggie did they give you a specific AMOUNT of veggies to have?? P&I doesn't i never can figure out why people limit the amount of the veggies you can have a ton of them for very little calories

[jnaakins]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

always if you are still hungry have more of your veggie did they give you a specific AMOUNT of veggies to have?? P&I doesn't i never can figure out why people limit the amount of the veggies you can have a ton of them for very little calories

I always wondered about this too and I asked around and kept hearing to keep your veggies to 150-200 grams I would bo SO happy if I didnt have to limit my veggies, I truly believe it would help with the hunger I experience alot of days.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by jnaakins

I always wondered about this too and I asked around and kept hearing to keep your veggies to 150-200 grams I would bo SO happy if I didnt have to limit my veggies, I truly believe it would help with the hunger I experience alot of days.

Docotr S didn't give ANY amounts on veggies except maybe HANDFUL or was that just for strawberries the 100 grams was for MEAT let me check P&I BRB

[debkeversole]

i don't see any limit on veggies just a caution about mixing them

1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed from the bird.

2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.

3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.

4. An apple, orange, or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

if you are still hungry have an extra portion of whatever veggie you had at that meal can't find where people are getting the weight limits on veggies that is why EVERYONE should read P&I

[privatediva]

what a great loss! Go with that...drink, drink, drink...try to keep busy. Bless your heart, I'm so sorry you'll still in a rough patch!

[metqa]

I think loadin with foods like pizza is not a bad choice. I mentioned in a different thread that Dr's S gave some examples of load foods that were both high in fat AND carbs like rich pastries and such. Your body uses two nutrients for energy, fat and carbs so a loading doesn't have to be carb free to be sucessfull. but at this point there nothing that can be done so you have to deal with what you have NOW.

Anyway, take the rest of what I say with a grain of lite salt because I'm rogue right now.

Something to consider is there are different hunger sensations. Hunger that tells you you have not enough energy; Hunger that says your stomach is empty and to fill it; Hunger that says you will need energy in the future so eat now; Hunger that is purely emotive or psychological like seeing the burger or ice cream on TV and wanting it.

Sometimes they overlap, if you see food and you really are low in blood sugar the image could trigger awareness of your real hunger. I sometimes feel a strange hunger/non hunger that tells me I'm gonna be busy later and I should eat now though I don't really feel like it. That seems to happen a lot lately.

that said, your body is burning fat to use as energy with just enough carbs to run organs that need sugar. Your body can't burn body fat without the proper amino acids to process it. That's why protein is essential.

This round I figured out how much protein my lean body mass will need to maintain itself and I've been eating that amount of protein this round regardless of the extra calories. I've never been so UNHUNGRY in ANY PREVIOUS ROUND. My explanation is that I'm giving my body all the protein it needs to burn the maximum amount of fat while still keeping a calorie deficit from reduced fat and carbs.

I still eat the low cal veggies and fruit and grain but my protein comes first and if I have to have less fruit or grain because of it, then my body doesn't need much extra carbs anyway. and by protein I mean pure protein, not the weight of the meat. Cottage cheese has half the protein of beef. Shrimp has less protein than chicken for the same weight. I use ****** to see how much protein I'm actually getting.

So I'd say if you are still hungry, try increasing your protein a bit. It won't feel like much more food volume, but it will have a much bigger effect on your body than more lettuce.

But then again, I'm rogue so I might explode at any moment....POOF!

[jnaakins]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i don't see any limit on veggies just a caution about mixing them


if you are still hungry have an extra portion of whatever veggie you had at that meal can't find where people are getting the weight limits on veggies that is why EVERYONE should read P&I

I did read P&I a couple of times thats why I was confused when people were saying to only eat 150-200g veggies (I think that's what I was told). I asked anyway because I wanted to see if others had interpreted the manuscript the same way I did- no weight limit on veggies, but I got different advice. Oh well! Im excited, think Im going to start upping my veggies

[LilacBruze]

For me, I weigh my veggies to make sure my meal is in line with the 500 calories a day. For example, in making my P2 chili, my ground beef already has about 170 calories. 150g of fire-roasted tomatoes has about 37 calories. If I were to have more tomatoes, I'd be cutting into my fruit portion of calories, and why would I want to do that?

[LilacBruze]

Metqa raises a good point about the protein. I wish I could have identified my body's need for more protein long before I actually did. Not that I had immediate issues, but now after such a long round, my body is showing signs of protein deficiency and P3 is happening not a moment too soon. So I agree with the protein thing, if you are experiencing true hunger, up it a bit. I personally would not go with extra veggies because if you think about it, what are veggies vastly made up of? WATER!

[jnaakins]

Originally Posted by LilacBruze

Metqa raises a good point about the protein. I wish I could have identified my body's need for more protein long before I actually did. Not that I had immediate issues, but now after such a long round, my body is showing signs of protein deficiency and P3 is happening not a moment too soon. So I agree with the protein thing, if you are experiencing true hunger, up it a bit. I personally would not go with extra veggies because if you think about it, what are veggies vastly made up of? WATER!

Hmmm that is an interesting point.....Im definitely not in any sort of protein deficiency, but I have found that it makes me feel much better when I have a small serving of cottage cheese when Im especially ravenous (usually at night). In that case, Im surely over my 500 calories for the day, but thats okay with me.

Well in any case, I may just up my veggies a tad and not worry about going over 150/200g (ps I mostly eat salads and broccoli as my veggies) and maybe also up my protein a bit when Im especially hungry.


Anyway, sorry the OP I didnt mean to hi-jack your thread! :blush:

[hauermich]

I decided on my own to up my protein, it helps a little bit. My veggies are mainly salad, broccoli and cabbage. I have been eating mainly chicken because I love it but I may try some beef to see if that has more holding power.

My doctor did say that if I went over 500 calories it would be OK. My opinion: even at 700 calories a day you will lose weight considering most people eat thousands of calories a day.

I am down 5.4lbs in 6 days including the 2 load days.

Michele

[privatediva]

good work, Michele!

I bet it starts getting better in the next couple of days.

[hauermich]

Originally Posted by privatediva

good work, Michele!

I bet it starts getting better in the next couple of days.

#1...thank you

#2...from your keyboard to God's ears....lol...cause I am still hungry, but I am sticking it out

[privatediva]

Does your doctor's plan allow any diet soda? I have been tweaking a slushie that is rogue for Simeon but fits my doctor's plan, but it has a bit of SF jello and probably a 1/4-1/2 cup of diet soda in it. I added some pasteurized eggwhite the other day when I felt my body was screaming for some extra protein and it really hit the spot. But not everybody is ok with the soda/jello thing.

[hauermich]

Originally Posted by privatediva

Does your doctor's plan allow any diet soda? I have been tweaking a slushie that is rogue for Simeon but fits my doctor's plan, but it has a bit of SF jello and probably a 1/4-1/2 cup of diet soda in it. I added some pasteurized eggwhite the other day when I felt my body was screaming for some extra protein and it really hit the spot. But not everybody is ok with the soda/jello thing.

yes, I can have one diet soda or crystal light per day. I have been dividing the crystal light into 2 oz servings and adding to my water to give it little flavor...makes getting in the 100oz of water easier.

I am going Thursday for a re-check and talk to them about the hunger. I was thinking of adding hard boiled egg whites to my salad or eat them as my morning snack instead of fruit.

It is only week one so I do not want to make too many changes right away and waste my time and money. The cost is keeping me on track.

[privatediva]

Good thoughts! In case you want to give it a try, here's what I whip up (usually mid afternoon) if I'm feeling weak, wobbly, extra hungry or am doing more exercise on a particular day. I count it as my second fruit. I'm giving the latest version...I'm really liking this one because it's kind of zingy and sassy. But you can vary the flavorings and it will be yummy:

3.5 ounces frozen strawberries
1 10 calorie prepared orange SF jello pack from the refrigerated section of the grocery store
1/4-1/2 c diet sunkist orange soda
2 Tblsp egg white (from a carton in the refrigerated section also)
6 or 7 drops of Lemon Drop Stevia
a couple of ice cubes

whirl that up...if you use less soda, it is more the texture of a sorbet, which is nice. A little more soda and it's drinkable if that's handier or more to your liking. I always feel like I'm treating myself with it.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by privatediva

Does your doctor's plan allow any diet soda? I have been tweaking a slushie that is rogue for Simeon but fits my doctor's plan, but it has a bit of SF jello and probably a 1/4-1/2 cup of diet soda in it. I added some pasteurized eggwhite the other day when I felt my body was screaming for some extra protein and it really hit the spot. But not everybody is ok with the soda/jello thing.

jello is a good supplement I think because it is protein and i read that it specifically contains the amino acids the body looks to use when protecting muscles, so it is protein sparing. Your slushie sounds good. I used to make strawberry soda with frozen strawberries and seltzer water. Now I've got a shaved ice machine, this oughtta be interesting!

Originally Posted by hauermich

I was thinking of adding hard boiled egg whites to my salad

Hey, that's a good idea. I only have powdered egg whites, but i could cook them in the skillet and chop it up. You are a smart Cookie!

[privatediva]

that is good info on jello, metga! thanks!

[hauermich]

Originally Posted by privatediva

3.5 ounces frozen strawberries
1 10 calorie prepared orange SF jello pack from the refrigerated section of the grocery store
1/4-1/2 c diet sunkist orange soda
2 Tblsp egg white (from a carton in the refrigerated section also)
6 or 7 drops of Lemon Drop Stevia
a couple of ice cubes

Have you ever made it without the fruit...just the jello, ice, sweetener, egg whites and diet soda? I was thinking about trying it without the fruit so it would not count as my fruit serving so I'd still be able to have some fruit at another time if I needed to. I do not have the pre-made jello cups but I just made some from the package for later.

[desifink]

Originally Posted by metqa

This round I figured out how much protein my lean body mass will need to maintain itself and I've been eating that amount of protein this round regardless of the extra calories. I've never been so UNHUNGRY in ANY PREVIOUS ROUND. My explanation is that I'm giving my body all the protein it needs to burn the maximum amount of fat while still keeping a calorie deficit from reduced fat and carbs.

How did you do that? Is there a formula or something, or did you just experiment until you figured it out?

[dazygyrl]

Originally Posted by desifink

How did you do that? Is there a formula or something, or did you just experiment until you figured it out?

Metqa...I'd love to hear more about this,too. Starting R2 aug 13.

[metqa]

First you have to figure out your lean body mass. You can do that by using a BMI chart or something that tells you your percentage of body fat.

Weight - (weight x Bodyfat%) = Lean body weight or mass.

then use an online protein calculator to figure how much protein you need for your lean body mass. This will change if you are sedenatary, aerobic or athletic, more exercise needs more protein.

It said for my lean body mass, I'd need to get 89grams of Protein but that's not the same as 89g of meat, cause meat is not ALL protein. so like 100g of chicken is only 20g of protein. the rest is fat, water and other things.

I've been doing good by using ****** to add up my meat till the protein column says 89, and then I build the rest of my menu around that.

Only thing is, it does limit the rest of your foods, especially if you keep the 500 cal, so I let it go above that to about 600. It may backfire on me, but for now I'm gonna keep trying this as I haven't been hungry or anything. I might lower the calories back to 500 and keep the protein, if I stall or something.

[privatediva]

Originally Posted by hauermich

Have you ever made it without the fruit...just the jello, ice, sweetener, egg whites and diet soda? I was thinking about trying it without the fruit so it would not count as my fruit serving so I'd still be able to have some fruit at another time if I needed to. I do not have the pre-made jello cups but I just made some from the package for later.

let me know...I have thought about it, but never done it

[desifink]

Thank, metqa! Off to figure out my protein now...

[hauermich]

Originally Posted by privatediva

let me know...I have thought about it, but never done it

OK...so I just made a drink from one serving of SF raspberry jello(my box says 5 calories per serving) 1/2 cup of diet lemon-lime soda and about 6 small ice cubes, I forgot the egg whites :blush:. It sort of reminds me of a frozen raspberry lemonade...not totally frozen. When I first poured it into the glass it was kind of frothy like an Orange Julius...anyone who ever walked a mall during the 1980's in NJ knows what that is...lol

I definitely think the egg whites and fruit would help thicken and immulsify it but for 5 calories I am very happy with a little sweet drink

[privatediva]

Originally Posted by hauermich

OK...so I just made a drink from one serving of SF raspberry jello(my box says 5 calories per serving) 1/2 cup of diet lemon-lime soda and about 6 small ice cubes, I forgot the egg whites :blush:. It sort of reminds me of a frozen raspberry lemonade...not totally frozen. When I first poured it into the glass it was kind of frothy like an Orange Julius...anyone who ever walked a mall during the 1980's in NJ knows what that is...lol

I definitely think the egg whites and fruit would help thicken and immulsify it but for 5 calories I am very happy with a little sweet drink

This is wonderful....and....Orange Julius...now you've got me thinking!!! I'll get back to you, but I think that one may be doable!