Can someone explain set points?

jnaakins · 07-25-2011, 09:48 PM

Like why do you stall for a while when you get to one, how do you know what your own personal set points are?
Thanks!

kaylem · 07-25-2011, 09:59 PM

I don't know the science behind it, but set points are typically weights that you might have once been at for an extended period of time. It is a weight that your body recognizes and seems to want to stay at. I think it sometimes takes your body a while to realize that it CAN move below a certain weight.

For example, during my first round, I got "stuck" at 164. 164 happened to be a weight that I used to be able to get to, but I would have a difficult time getting below that. This was the case for about 8 years. With hcg, I was able to get past that, but I did stall for four days. After I got through the set point, my losses were steady again.

Anyway, that has been my experience! Good luck!

C'Marie · 07-25-2011, 10:27 PM

I've been heavy for a very, very long time. As I went UP in weight, I established lots of different setpoints, some of them minor, and some of them MAJOR. It was me, resisting the gaining that was going on, sometimes for years at the same range of weight, but not being successful ultimately to stop the upward progression. So when I started losing weight, on the way back down, most of those same setpoints made for long pauses/stalls. I had one that stalled me out for almost 2 weeks.

For our purposes in establishing the setpoints we want, it is important to stay in the range of your LDW in order to really stick that setpoint - even if you're doing further rounds. You don't want an indiscretion food-wise to take you back up more than it should. You want your setpoint to work with you, not against you

Sleepy · 07-26-2011, 05:59 AM

so a setpoint is basically a weight you stall at ?

kaylem · 07-26-2011, 06:42 AM

Oooh, C'Marie, I totally forgot to address that during P3, your goal is to hold on to the "NEW" set point as opposed to gaining/losing during that time. Nice explanation!

So yes, a weight "set point" is a weight you stall at--and it can be good--as in, "I shed 50 pounds, and I want to stay this way." OR, bad--as in " I've never been able to get past ____ weight, and I need to. Now my body is stuck for a few days as I convince it that it can go past this old weight."

jnaakins · 07-26-2011, 03:35 PM

Okay thanks for the explanation! That helps alot. I should be coming up on a set point in about 4 more lbs

hope I dont get stuck there for too long.

C'Marie · 07-26-2011, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnaakins

Okay thanks for the explanation! That helps alot. I should be coming up on a set point in about 4 more lbs

hope I dont get stuck there for too long.

Sometimes your body just *whooshes* right past it and then gets a little stall about it... LOL and sometimes right above. Don't worry, it always breaks with hcg.

Boosya · 07-29-2011, 10:26 AM

C'Marie,

Can you please tell me how you got past the set-point that stalled you out for 2 weeks? I am now stalled at a set-point for a week, and am getting really frustrated

... I'm on pretty strict protocol, only omit the melba/grissinis and have apples rarely (once every few days). On my first round, I was able to lose 18 pounds, and stabilized pretty well on P3. This round (my second), I am only down 8, on VLC17, and have been stalled at the same weight for 7 days

...

Thanks!!!

paulabob · 07-29-2011, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosya

I'm on pretty strict protocol, only omit the melba/grissinis and have apples rarely (once every few days). On my first round, I was able to lose 18 pounds, and stabilized pretty well on P3. This round (my second), I am only down 8, on VLC17, and have been stalled at the same weight for 7 days

...

I just thought I'd mention I also dropped the melba and fruit, but did better with weight loss when I added extra protein in. When my calories were 400 and below, I did not lose as well. Just thought I'd toss that in there!

With hcg...I blew past the first setpoint I really thought would be horrible. But still had problems on a 15 year old setpoint.

So who knows?!

BigBravesGirl · 07-29-2011, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaylem

I don't know the science behind it, but set points are typically weights that you might have once been at for an extended period of time. It is a weight that your body recognizes and seems to want to stay at. I think it sometimes takes your body a while to realize that it CAN move below a certain weight.

For example, during my first round, I got "stuck" at 164. 164 happened to be a weight that I used to be able to get to, but I would have a difficult time getting below that. This was the case for about 8 years. With hcg, I was able to get past that, but I did stall for four days. After I got through the set point, my losses were steady again.

Anyway, that has been my experience! Good luck!

On this round, I got "stuck" at 333, which was a former set point for me. I stalled for 2 weeks, so I ended my round at 332.8. I'm in P3 now and will maintain this loss through 3 weeks of P3 and 6 weeks of P4. On my next round, I hope to whoosh right past that set point!

Boosya · 07-29-2011, 10:52 AM

I don't really weigh my protein portions. I buy the bag of individually frozen chicken breasts at Costco, and one breast is a portion. I also buy the individually frozen tilapia filets and one filet is a portion. So, I am almost positive that a chix breast weighs more than 3.5 oz, and I was doing the same in round 1. I'm just frustrated, and thinking that my round will end next week (after 21 VLCD's), and I haven't done nearly as well as I did on the first round. I do understand that no two rounds are the same, but still

Boosya · 07-29-2011, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBravesGirl

On this round, I got "stuck" at 333, which was a former set point for me. I stalled for 2 weeks, so I ended my round at 332.8. I'm in P3 now and will maintain this loss through 3 weeks of P3 and 6 weeks of P4. On my next round, I hope to whoosh right past that set point!

Yea, I think that's what I am going to do as well. I will end the round as planned on 8/2, and just try to maintain the small loss I've had. But I am going to do my best to blast through this darn set-point on round 3

BigBravesGirl · 07-29-2011, 11:12 AM

Boosya, my second round wasn't as successful as my first round in terms of weight loss (see my signature), but a loss is a loss is a LOSS! And both of my rounds have been 21 day rounds. Good luck maintaining your loss. I think you'll do great!

Boosya · 07-29-2011, 11:14 AM

Thanks Lisa!

dawnyama · 07-29-2011, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosya

C'Marie,

Can you please tell me how you got past the set-point that stalled you out for 2 weeks? I am now stalled at a set-point for a week, and am getting really frustrated

... I'm on pretty strict protocol, only omit the melba/grissinis and have apples rarely (once every few days). On my first round, I was able to lose 18 pounds, and stabilized pretty well on P3. This round (my second), I am only down 8, on VLC17, and have been stalled at the same weight for 7 days

...

Thanks!!!

I would do an apple day. Remember that Dr Simeon's does have a solution for a stall. If you stall for 4 days, he says to do an apple day. I have had to do a few of those and they work

Zenngrl · 07-29-2011, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I would do an apple day. Remember that Dr Simeon's does have a solution for a stall. If you stall for 4 days, he says to do an apple day. I have had to do a few of those and they work

He also says that apple days are purely psychological in nature. It's not a fat loss caused by eating apples, it's just the "whoosh" you might get from all the fiber/water in apples. I never did an apple day. I just waited patiently. Sometimes a stall is just your body catching up.

Boosya · 07-29-2011, 12:11 PM

I admit that I've not tried apple days, but do believe they would be just water weight lost and then "re-gained" in the next day or two afterwards. Maybe I should try one, and see if that at least helps just a bit. Today is too late (had lunch of a chix breast and cucumber already), but maybe tomorrow...

BigBravesGirl · 07-29-2011, 12:15 PM

I know a lot of people do the correction days, but I never did. I was stalled out for 2 weeks. I lost all of my weight the first week of this round. I wasn't exactly stalled at the exact same weight every day, it would vary a few tenths of a pound, but I never lost more than what I lost that first week.

Anyway, I tend to agree with Zenngrl about correction days. I did one minimum round, did 3 weeks of P3 and 3 weeks of P4, then right back into another round. I feel like my body needed a chance to catch up. Sure, being stalled annoyed the heck out of me. But I know it will come off. I just have to be patient.

WE CAN DO THIS! WE ARE WORTH IT!!

dawnyama · 07-29-2011, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosya

I admit that I've not tried apple days, but do believe they would be just water weight lost and then "re-gained" in the next day or two afterwards. Maybe I should try one, and see if that at least helps just a bit. Today is too late (had lunch of a chix breast and cucumber already), but maybe tomorrow...

I have done a few of them (I am on my 8th round) and they worked for me. I lost weight and didn't rebound from it. I needed that mental boost more than anything. Seeing the same stinking numbers day after day....an apple day is much better than cheating.

And it sure worked on my mind--got past that stinking number on the scale. Nothing better for my mind

dawnyama · 08-14-2011, 06:10 AM

I did another apple day and it worked....again!!! Yeah apples!!

jnaakins · 08-14-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I did another apple day and it worked....again!!! Yeah apples!!

Yeah!!! WTG!!!

07-25-2011, 09:48 PM	#1
jnaakins Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: WA state Posts: 617 Gallery: jnaakins Stats: 206/155/145 WOE: hhcg Start Date: 7-18-2011	Can someone explain set points? Like why do you stall for a while when you get to one, how do you know what your own personal set points are? Thanks!

07-25-2011, 09:59 PM	#2
kaylem Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 384 Gallery: kaylem Stats: R6:176.5/159/140; 5'8" WOE: hhcg R6P2 Start Date: 2/10/13	I don't know the science behind it, but set points are typically weights that you might have once been at for an extended period of time. It is a weight that your body recognizes and seems to want to stay at. I think it sometimes takes your body a while to realize that it CAN move below a certain weight. For example, during my first round, I got "stuck" at 164. 164 happened to be a weight that I used to be able to get to, but I would have a difficult time getting below that. This was the case for about 8 years. With hcg, I was able to get past that, but I did stall for four days. After I got through the set point, my losses were steady again. Anyway, that has been my experience! Good luck! __________________ "I CAN do this." Load weight: 176.5, 176.5, 173.5, 171, 171.5, 171.5, 169, 169, 169.5, 168, 167,168.5, 168.5,167,167,167, 165.5,164.5, 164.5, 164.5, 164.5, 164.5,162,164, 163, (transition for P.I.)163, 163, 163, (Vacation/ P.I.), 169.5, 165.5, 162.5, 162, 162, 160, 161.5, 160.5, 160.5, 160.5, 159,...

07-25-2011, 10:27 PM	#3
C'Marie Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,031 Gallery: C'Marie Stats: 270/down 110-ish/ goal 147 WOE: hCG Rx shots/JUDDD maintain Start Date: 1/4/2010 Now R9 P2	I've been heavy for a very, very long time. As I went UP in weight, I established lots of different setpoints, some of them minor, and some of them MAJOR. It was me, resisting the gaining that was going on, sometimes for years at the same range of weight, but not being successful ultimately to stop the upward progression. So when I started losing weight, on the way back down, most of those same setpoints made for long pauses/stalls. I had one that stalled me out for almost 2 weeks. For our purposes in establishing the setpoints we want, it is important to stay in the range of your LDW in order to really stick that setpoint - even if you're doing further rounds. You don't want an indiscretion food-wise to take you back up more than it should. You want your setpoint to work with you, not against you __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* HCG Rx to lose - JUDDD to maintain Last edited by C'Marie; 07-25-2011 at 10:30 PM..

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BigBravesGirl Plastic Wrap Ninja Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: moving to TWOterville Posts: 43,117 Gallery: BigBravesGirl Stats: 397 / hanging on / 2?? WOE: My way! Start Date: today	I know a lot of people do the correction days, but I never did. I was stalled out for 2 weeks. I lost all of my weight the first week of this round. I wasn't exactly stalled at the exact same weight every day, it would vary a few tenths of a pound, but I never lost more than what I lost that first week. Anyway, I tend to agree with Zenngrl about correction days. I did one minimum round, did 3 weeks of P3 and 3 weeks of P4, then right back into another round. I feel like my body needed a chance to catch up. Sure, being stalled annoyed the heck out of me. But I know it will come off. I just have to be patient. WE CAN DO THIS! WE ARE WORTH IT!! __________________ Lisa

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07-26-2011, 05:59 AM	#4
Sleepy Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 11,258 Gallery: Sleepy	so a setpoint is basically a weight you stall at ?

07-26-2011, 06:42 AM	#5
kaylem Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 384 Gallery: kaylem Stats: R6:176.5/159/140; 5'8" WOE: hhcg R6P2 Start Date: 2/10/13	Oooh, C'Marie, I totally forgot to address that during P3, your goal is to hold on to the "NEW" set point as opposed to gaining/losing during that time. Nice explanation! So yes, a weight "set point" is a weight you stall at--and it can be good--as in, "I shed 50 pounds, and I want to stay this way." OR, bad--as in " I've never been able to get past ____ weight, and I need to. Now my body is stuck for a few days as I convince it that it can go past this old weight."

07-26-2011, 03:35 PM	#6
jnaakins Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: WA state Posts: 617 Gallery: jnaakins Stats: 206/155/145 WOE: hhcg Start Date: 7-18-2011	Okay thanks for the explanation! That helps alot. I should be coming up on a set point in about 4 more lbs hope I dont get stuck there for too long.

07-29-2011, 10:26 AM	#8
Boosya Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 127 Gallery: Boosya Stats: (THEN 195/165/120) - (NOW 180/180/120) 5'3" WOE: hHcg, again...... :-)))	C'Marie, Can you please tell me how you got past the set-point that stalled you out for 2 weeks? I am now stalled at a set-point for a week, and am getting really frustrated ... I'm on pretty strict protocol, only omit the melba/grissinis and have apples rarely (once every few days). On my first round, I was able to lose 18 pounds, and stabilized pretty well on P3. This round (my second), I am only down 8, on VLC17, and have been stalled at the same weight for 7 days ... Thanks!!!

07-29-2011, 10:52 AM	#11
Boosya Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 127 Gallery: Boosya Stats: (THEN 195/165/120) - (NOW 180/180/120) 5'3" WOE: hHcg, again...... :-)))	I don't really weigh my protein portions. I buy the bag of individually frozen chicken breasts at Costco, and one breast is a portion. I also buy the individually frozen tilapia filets and one filet is a portion. So, I am almost positive that a chix breast weighs more than 3.5 oz, and I was doing the same in round 1. I'm just frustrated, and thinking that my round will end next week (after 21 VLCD's), and I haven't done nearly as well as I did on the first round. I do understand that no two rounds are the same, but still

07-29-2011, 11:12 AM	#13
BigBravesGirl Plastic Wrap Ninja Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: moving to TWOterville Posts: 43,117 Gallery: BigBravesGirl Stats: 397 / hanging on / 2?? WOE: My way! Start Date: today	Boosya, my second round wasn't as successful as my first round in terms of weight loss (see my signature), but a loss is a loss is a LOSS! And both of my rounds have been 21 day rounds. Good luck maintaining your loss. I think you'll do great!

07-29-2011, 11:14 AM	#14
Boosya Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 127 Gallery: Boosya Stats: (THEN 195/165/120) - (NOW 180/180/120) 5'3" WOE: hHcg, again...... :-)))	Thanks Lisa!

07-29-2011, 12:11 PM	#17
Boosya Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 127 Gallery: Boosya Stats: (THEN 195/165/120) - (NOW 180/180/120) 5'3" WOE: hHcg, again...... :-)))	I admit that I've not tried apple days, but do believe they would be just water weight lost and then "re-gained" in the next day or two afterwards. Maybe I should try one, and see if that at least helps just a bit. Today is too late (had lunch of a chix breast and cucumber already), but maybe tomorrow...

08-14-2011, 06:10 AM	#20
dawnyama Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 21,193 Gallery: dawnyama Stats: 154/???/115 5'4" WOE: Hhcg/Rwhatever P2 Start Date: 6/1/09	I did another apple day and it worked....again!!! Yeah apples!!