Simeons Protocol -- P2 Week of 7/25/11

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by 1moretry

NOW you tell me! I cut my carbs way down in P3 to try to get my blood sugar down and today proved you are right. I had my first serious gain on P3 (1 whole pound) and will do a CD today, but don't know what to do after that. I will be back here in P2 in mid-August, so hopefully you are right about the pounds peeling off then. However, I will have to see what happens to my blood sugar after that before figuring out how to eat from then on. I get hungry when I don't have enough protein to compensate for the lower carbs and excess protein converts to sugar, too.

Have you received the Bernstein book yet? That will help you tremendously with what to eat for your blood sugars. What we have seen with Amy, who is type 1 so she has no chance of getting off insulin, is that if she low carbs she is getting better numbers for her next blood sugar check. She will see higher numbers if she eats something she should not (like a milkshake). She can then gage for herself what she should be eating, and not be told by me what she should be eating. I love eating salads, fatty meats drenched in butter, and yogurt in P3/P4. I eat the occasional fruit, but not every day. I would just follow the plan for P3 and adjust your meds (are you on insulin) according to what your blood sugar numbers are. That is how we deal with it for my DD anyhow. I am not sure if you are type 1 or type 2. I am sorry to have forgotten that. But there are other diabetics on here doing hcg as well. Hopefully they can help you better than me.

Oh, and if you lower protein and carbs, then you should surely up your fats. Eat avocado, sour cream, coconut oil, butter, heavy whipping cream....that sort of thing to make up calories.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

ok so no losses then
so i find out my bmr then eat that amount of calories per day
and let my weight stay the same for 4 weeks
and if it flucuates more than 2 lbs over figure out how to correct it
is this the jist of it?

when you were on p3 what did you eat as carbs besides fruit?

There are carbs in veggies, fruit and dairy. I eat sour cream, yogurt, cream cheese, whipped cream, cheddar cheese in P3 and they all have carbs. Even salad dressing has a bit of carbs. It is not necessary to watch carb numbers in P3--just follow "no starch and no sugar" and you will do well. My first round I followed just those 2 rules and did very well. I ate hamburgers with no bun for lunch,eggs and bacon for breakfast, meat and salad for dinner. Did very well, indeed. You will too. Oh, and I am a long time low carber--12 years now--and did not lose weight in P3. Well when I went 3 lbs below my LDW I just ate more protein and it came right back on. It was as simple as eating an extra burger at lunch. You'll do fine!!

[NeekoM]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I am back. I started the drops on Sun and will be doing the 500 calories tomorrow. I cannot wait!!! I am in FL with my mom. She lost her DH last week to cancer and while I won't be weighing in til I get back home on Fri (morning I will weigh in) I do have my food prepped and ready to go. I brought my already cooked chicken, melba and apples with me. Bring on the losing!! I don't even want to think about what round I am on this time. Maybe I will stop counting from now on.

back Dawn! I hope P2 treats you well!

Originally Posted by Sleepy

ok so no losses then
so i find out my bmr then eat that amount of calories per day
and let my weight stay the same for 4 weeks
and if it flucuates more than 2 lbs over figure out how to correct it
is this the jist of it?

when you were on p3 what did you eat as carbs besides fruit?

You don't want to eat at BMR because that's what your body needs while you're sleeping. I found that about 200 - 300 above BMR worked well for me.

[NeekoM]

Up another pound today. I guess my body is still working through the weekend indulgences. I'm confident there will be a loss tomorrow though (hopefully a big one!).

[Marocka]

VLCD21, 203.6, -.4.....total lost so far this round including load gain 11.6 lbs

[barbie]

NeekoM-- I'm in the same boat as you! I'm up 2 1/2 lbs since Saturday.. You seem to be taking it better than me though..

All I know is that I have to stay strong today, and tomorrow, and Thursday, and Friday and Saturday, and... you get the picture. I SO want to see this weight come off!! AHHHHH,

It will come off.. It will...:blush:

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by NeekoM

back Dawn! I hope P2 treats you well!



You don't want to eat at BMR because that's what your body needs while you're sleeping. I found that about 200 - 300 above BMR worked well for me.

Wow 200-300 ABOVE
im a fatty so i'll get LOTS of calories
im also heading back to the gym so do i get exercise calories too?
its going to be very hard to eat that much!

ill need to start reading my book again to make sure i get it right

[Millenia98]

I think I've had a rough week 3. Geez.

Down 0 today

[MaryMouse49]

lost 1.4 since yesterday guess eating out is not gona happen again, to much salt in their stuff, not worth it.

[dbunny]

[quote=Violet_Dream;14858416]I hear ya. The only reason I am is because I'm using homeopathic and when we get off the hhcg, we only need to do two days of the 500-calorie plan before we embark on P3. When it's all said and done, I'll have gone 54 days (last day will be 8/2).

Well, I need to make up my mind already as tomorrow is supposed to be my last dosing day. I keep thinking, "what's another week??" I am at 200.5 today. It would be nice to have a little cushion away from that number.

Originally Posted by NeekoM

Up another pound today. I guess my body is still working through the weekend indulgences. I'm confident there will be a loss tomorrow though (hopefully a big one!).

Drink lots of water and green tea... flush that bad weekend right out!

Originally Posted by Marocka

VLCD21, 203.6, -.4.....total lost so far this round including load gain 11.6 lbs

Originally Posted by barbie

NeekoM-- I'm in the same boat as you! I'm up 2 1/2 lbs since Saturday.. You seem to be taking it better than me though..

All I know is that I have to stay strong today, and tomorrow, and Thursday, and Friday and Saturday, and... you get the picture. I SO want to see this weight come off!! AHHHHH,

It will come off.. It will...:blush:

Keep on keeping on~ be strong!

Originally Posted by Millenia98

I think I've had a rough week 3. Geez.

Down 0 today

Week three for me was horrible! I only lost 1.5.. but the ensuing weeks have been much better to me.

So I am down .5 today. .5 away from Onederland and I am supposed to stop dosing tomorrow. My LDW could be 200 I don't like that.

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I am back. I started the drops on Sun and will be doing the 500 calories tomorrow. I cannot wait!!! I am in FL with my mom. She lost her DH last week to cancer and while I won't be weighing in til I get back home on Fri (morning I will weigh in) I do have my food prepped and ready to go. I brought my already cooked chicken, melba and apples with me. Bring on the losing!! I don't even want to think about what round I am on this time. Maybe I will stop counting from now on.

Back Dawn, sorry about your mother's DH. Great job of being able to stay P2 while not at home. I find that the hardest of all! and during stressful times, but you know what that feels like I am sure! How is your daughter doing with the Type 1... learning, getting used to the regime? I am sure thats hard for the poor thing, and you! Stressful as well!! Anyway, Back

[Marocka]

12 lbs lost this round so far, not 11.6, forgot to add the .4 loss for today

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by catjrow3

Back Dawn, sorry about your mother's DH. Great job of being able to stay P2 while not at home. I find that the hardest of all! and during stressful times, but you know what that feels like I am sure! How is your daughter doing with the Type 1... learning, getting used to the regime? I am sure thats hard for the poor thing, and you! Stressful as well!! Anyway, Back

Thanks cat. DD is doing well. We were in the mountains of TN and her blood sugars were so high. We could not figure out what the deal was with that, until we got home. Then we figured out that the altitude effected her blood sugars so we are still learning. She goes for her next check up in 2 weeks.

I decided that life is stressful and what I have discovered since Oct of last year is we cannot control what happens to us. But we can control how we handle them. I have to get this weight off and keep it off. This time will be for good

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I decided that life is stressful and what I have discovered since Oct of last year is we cannot control what happens to us. But we can control how we handle them. I have to get this weight off and keep it off. This time will be for good

Wish I could learn the "forever" part... that part is not sticking with me!! LOL

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by catjrow3

Wish I could learn the "forever" part... that part is not sticking with me!! LOL

Something I have trouble with too I don't even want to tell you what round this is for me. I should change my stats to the left, but I don't want to.

[catjrow3]

I hear you!! LOL, Mine are really close at the moment, but to know I was at 145 in May peeves me off!!

[MaryMouse49]

I made the p2 chili for dinner, can you say HELL YA anyways, do I skip my fruit because of the tomatoes, kinda forgot that part. YUM YUM Mary

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Millenia98

I think I've had a rough week 3. Geez.

Down 0 today

My 3rd week of protocol is usually referred to as he** week. Don't worry, it will be over soon enough.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MaryMouse49

I made the p2 chili for dinner, can you say HELL YA anyways, do I skip my fruit because of the tomatoes, kinda forgot that part. YUM YUM Mary

What was in your chili??? If you had tomatoes AND onions then you count your tomato as your fruit. If it was just tomatoes, then you can have the fruit. I love chili on P2 too!!

[MaryMouse49]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

What was in your chili??? If you had tomatoes AND onions then you count your tomato as your fruit. If it was just tomatoes, then you can have the fruit. I love chili on P2 too!!

No just the tomatos, would miss my strawberry smoothie. thanks, Mary

[Violet_Dream]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

There are carbs in veggies, fruit and dairy. I eat sour cream, yogurt, cream cheese, whipped cream, cheddar cheese in P3 and they all have carbs. Even salad dressing has a bit of carbs. It is not necessary to watch carb numbers in P3--just follow "no starch and no sugar" and you will do well. My first round I followed just those 2 rules and did very well. I ate hamburgers with no bun for lunch,eggs and bacon for breakfast, meat and salad for dinner. Did very well, indeed. You will too. Oh, and I am a long time low carber--12 years now--and did not lose weight in P3. Well when I went 3 lbs below my LDW I just ate more protein and it came right back on. It was as simple as eating an extra burger at lunch. You'll do fine!!

Thanks for the clarification! I'll eat all these foods and see how far I can push the envelope.

[NeekoM]

You are all so supportive! I'm so glad I found this site! I was on another HCG forum before I found this one and they made you feel bad for asking questions and touted the same high and mighty sounding answers to just about everyone. You are all a Godsend!

Back down 1 pound today. I think it would have been more but I just did not do well on my water yesterday! I'm really going to focus on pushing the H2O today and see where I can be tomorrow...

BTW - P2 chili for the first time this round yesterday. Why did I wait so long?! Mmmmm!!

[Solstyce]

Down .6 pounds today to 130.8. So close the the 120's!!!

My size 8 petite pants that I was finally able to fit into at 137 pounds are now loose in the butt, waste and hips!

I'm able to fit into some of my size 6 pants, but they are a very close fit.

Now that I am so close to goal I am thinking that maybe I'll go for 115 instead of 120, although I have been on this round for a long time so I will probably move to P3 around the middle of August and then come back for a another round of only 23 days (without going into P4).

[1moretry]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Have you received the Bernstein book yet? That will help you tremendously with what to eat for your blood sugars. What we have seen with Amy, who is type 1 so she has no chance of getting off insulin, is that if she low carbs she is getting better numbers for her next blood sugar check. She will see higher numbers if she eats something she should not (like a milkshake). She can then gage for herself what she should be eating, and not be told by me what she should be eating. I love eating salads, fatty meats drenched in butter, and yogurt in P3/P4. I eat the occasional fruit, but not every day. I would just follow the plan for P3 and adjust your meds (are you on insulin) according to what your blood sugar numbers are. That is how we deal with it for my DD anyhow. I am not sure if you are type 1 or type 2. I am sorry to have forgotten that. But there are other diabetics on here doing hcg as well. Hopefully they can help you better than me.

Oh, and if you lower protein and carbs, then you should surely up your fats. Eat avocado, sour cream, coconut oil, butter, heavy whipping cream....that sort of thing to make up calories.

I am a Type 2 diabetic and not on either insulin or medication, which are both things I am trying to avoid. I did get Bernstein's books and have eaten less than 20 grams of effective carbs (he allows 30 grams) since July 16 and measuring my blood sugars several times a day (which I had not done before). They have been almost normal during the day but generally go back up to where they were before on the first measurement each morning, so I am not sure this is working well for me. I have not held my weight down as well by following that plan, either. I had to do a steak day yesterday and will probably have to do another one tomorrow.

In order to keep my carbs down and my calories where they should be, there are only two things I can work with: protein and fats. I find that if I take the protein down too much, I am hungry all of the time despite eating more fat. I am more comfortable at around 4-6% carbs, 30% protein, and 65-68% fat (I know that doesn't add up to 100%, but those are approximate levels). I just can't eat more fat to get the protein down. I can't stand it.

The odd thing was that when I did my steak day yesterday (a very large steak and a medium tomato in the evening, only water the rest of the day), my blood sugars came down to the lowest level they have been, my ketones were up AND I lost weight, which would say that my insulin levels came down, too (what I want to see for Type 2). According to ******, my carbs were 6 grams net (2%), fat was only 52%, and protein was a whopping 45% (129 grams -- it was a very big steak!). Excess protein is converted to glucose and this is just so confusing for me.

I am going to see my doctor on Monday and am planning on trying the Intermountain drops for my next round of P2 unless he says otherwise. I miss the simplicity and predictability of P2 a lot, although I do enjoy the greater variety of foods on P3. However, I just get confused as to what I can eat and what I can't because I don't seem to be able to stabilize as much as I think I should be able to. Bernstein would not approve of P2! He would consider it yo-yo dieting, and it had too many "fast-acting" carbs to meet his model. The ratio of carbs to protein the way I ate on P2 was right around 1:1, with fat down to almost zero. (I was getting around 57 grams each of carbs and protein in order to keep calories at 500 per day.)

[Sleepy]

-3 today
figures...im getting near the end
went back to the gym this week
wonder if that promoted the loss?
thought we werent supposed to workout during p2?
anywho...i'll take it

[catjrow3]

Sleepy, you can workout if you want to... it just might make your muscles retain water if you are not used to it. Nice loss by the way.

I always workout every day keeps me sane!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MaryMouse49

No just the tomatos, would miss my strawberry smoothie. thanks, Mary

If you used just tomatoes and ground beef then you would get the fruit. Enjoy the strawberry smoothie!!

[dbunny]

199! Down 30 pounds in 40 days! Yippeeeeeee!!!!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Solstyce

Down .6 pounds today to 130.8. So close the the 120's!!!

My size 8 petite pants that I was finally able to fit into at 137 pounds are now loose in the butt, waste and hips!

I'm able to fit into some of my size 6 pants, but they are a very close fit.

Now that I am so close to goal I am thinking that maybe I'll go for 115 instead of 120, although I have been on this round for a long time so I will probably move to P3 around the middle of August and then come back for a another round of only 23 days (without going into P4).

You are about my height and I say go for it That is my goal too. I have reached it last year--see my avatar pic of me at 115. Even made it to 113 but that was in the 2 days after my last dose of hcg. I love being 115, but had some issues that have caused me to gain, including 2 deaths in the family as well as my 10 yr old DD getting diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in March. So this year has been very trying and stressful. Put those 2 together and I gain weight. So I am back to what works. I am on P2 til I reach 115 again!! I am psyched about this round and know that I can do it!! I have not been this pumped in a long time. If you take a break of less than 14 days (stay in P3 while on the break) you can go back to P2 without loading. Dr Simeon's calls it an interruption and I have done them before. I like doing that and will probably do that in this round.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by 1moretry

I am a Type 2 diabetic and not on either insulin or medication, which are both things I am trying to avoid. I did get Bernstein's books and have eaten less than 20 grams of effective carbs (he allows 30 grams) since July 16 and measuring my blood sugars several times a day (which I had not done before). They have been almost normal during the day but generally go back up to where they were before on the first measurement each morning, so I am not sure this is working well for me. I have not held my weight down as well by following that plan, either. I had to do a steak day yesterday and will probably have to do another one tomorrow.

In order to keep my carbs down and my calories where they should be, there are only two things I can work with: protein and fats. I find that if I take the protein down too much, I am hungry all of the time despite eating more fat. I am more comfortable at around 4-6% carbs, 30% protein, and 65-68% fat (I know that doesn't add up to 100%, but those are approximate levels). I just can't eat more fat to get the protein down. I can't stand it.

The odd thing was that when I did my steak day yesterday (a very large steak and a medium tomato in the evening, only water the rest of the day), my blood sugars came down to the lowest level they have been, my ketones were up AND I lost weight, which would say that my insulin levels came down, too (what I want to see for Type 2). According to ******, my carbs were 6 grams net (2%), fat was only 52%, and protein was a whopping 45% (129 grams -- it was a very big steak!). Excess protein is converted to glucose and this is just so confusing for me.

I am going to see my doctor on Monday and am planning on trying the Intermountain drops for my next round of P2 unless he says otherwise. I miss the simplicity and predictability of P2 a lot, although I do enjoy the greater variety of foods on P3. However, I just get confused as to what I can eat and what I can't because I don't seem to be able to stabilize as much as I think I should be able to. Bernstein would not approve of P2! He would consider it yo-yo dieting, and it had too many "fast-acting" carbs to meet his model. The ratio of carbs to protein the way I ate on P2 was right around 1:1, with fat down to almost zero. (I was getting around 57 grams each of carbs and protein in order to keep calories at 500 per day.)

Thank you for clarifying, 1more. You are doing well avoiding the meds I believe!! Fantastic!! I know of another diabetic doing this diet who has great blood sugars in P2 and in P3 they are again all over the place. So it may be the hormones are all amuck now for you. If you are doing another round...hopefully soon so you can join us in P2.....I would not worry about it!! Just do P3 as best you can and ride it out. I have had some really good P3s and some really bad ones. You cannot tell when they will be good or bad either. So don't sweat it. I would just eat well and go from there. Funny how more fat doesn't satiate you, normally it would. I still think the hormones are to blame. Lately I have been blaming them for everything