Research behind Veggies List

KrisJ · 07-17-2011, 03:27 PM

I'm wondering why the veggies on P2 are so limited. I don't recall the Dr. mentioning any research behind the veggies he chose. It does look like they're all low carb and low cal.

I'm about to have a burst of zucchini and summer squash from the garden. These are some of the main veggies on low carb. I want to stay on protocol if I can, but I can't see a super good reason not to eat these low carb veggies if I watch the cals.

I wonder if they tried a bunch of veggies and these came out on top or if they just listed these due to their characteristics...all except the onion, I can't figure that one out...

Any thoughts?

Balance101 · 07-17-2011, 04:23 PM

I wish I could help, but I've been wondering the same thing. Also, wondering why turkey isn't on the list.

KrisJ · 07-17-2011, 04:29 PM

Yeah....why isn't turkey on the list?

LilacBruze · 07-17-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Balance101

I wish I could help, but I've been wondering the same thing. Also, wondering why turkey isn't on the list.

I don't have an answer as to the veggies, but as far as turkey, I was SHOCKED to see that 100 grams of ground turkey had higher fat and cholesterol than 96/4 ground beef, so maybe that has something to do with it?

KrisJ · 07-17-2011, 04:38 PM

I think that ground turkey is usually sold with dark meet ground into it to make it less dry. I think that's why it's higher.

Balance101 · 07-17-2011, 04:58 PM

I buy the 99% lean ground turkey breast. These are the stats on it:

LilacBruze · 07-17-2011, 05:04 PM

Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Poultry food products, ground turkey, raw

This doesn't specify the leanness of the ground turkey, but I used the drop-down to select 100 grams and it is MUCH different than what you just posted.

Balance101 · 07-17-2011, 05:07 PM

Yikes. Yeah, the key is to get the 99% lean ground breast!

KrisJ · 07-17-2011, 05:21 PM

Now this stuff looks like it "should" work. I don't get it.

RedsSkinnyJeans · 07-17-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisJ

I'm about to have a burst of zucchini

Okay, I know about a gaggle of geese; and a school of fish. What is a "burst" of zucchini? And....in a related topic, you're not going to tell me that you "shocked" it also are you?

Zbunny · 07-17-2011, 06:16 PM

A lot of people are successfully adding different veggies and proteins. A lot. If you want to be 100% protocol, you don't add them; if you're okay being slightly rogue, just give them a try. It's totally up to you!

miamiloca · 07-18-2011, 11:40 AM

Ive been rather "rougish" the last 2 rounds and added in turkey breast. i buy a whole breast at the grocery and roast it-remove the skin and just eat the breast meat. It's so good and really hard not to go back for 2nd"s! I also have eaten diff. veggies that are low-cal/carb (like zucchinni) with no ill effects. You have to try it and see how it works for you! The ground turkey does have the dark meat ground in with it, which ups it's fat content tremendously. Some stores sell ground turkey breast, though. You have to pay close attention to the labels. I like baking the whole breast, though. Makes my house smell like Thanksgiving! And theres leftovers for lunches!

KrisJ · 07-18-2011, 04:05 PM

I don't know if it's the heat or the rain we got last night. 2 of my Zuchinnis grew over 4 inches last night. Yep....a BURST LOL

BigBravesGirl · 07-21-2011, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbunny

A lot of people are successfully adding different veggies and proteins. A lot. If you want to be 100% protocol, you don't add them; if you're okay being slightly rogue, just give them a try. It's totally up to you!

Psst, PG HCGers are missing you.

BigBravesGirl · 07-21-2011, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisJ

I don't know if it's the heat or the rain we got last night. 2 of my Zuchinnis grew over 4 inches last night. Yep....a BURST LOL

Grew 4 inches in ONE night?

KrisJ · 07-21-2011, 02:50 PM

Yes! 2x as long and 2x as big around. Next year I'm going to take pictures each day to make sure I'm not going crazy.

KrisJ · 07-21-2011, 02:52 PM

Eating Summer Squash and Zuchs with no issues. Continuing to lose.
12 days in. 12 lbs lost minus load weight. 16 including load.
Seems to be working!

Zbunny · 07-21-2011, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBravesGirl

Psst, PG HCGers are missing you.

I'm back! Missed you too Lisa!

Kris, you're doing GREAT! I love garden fresh veggies

dawnyama · 07-21-2011, 03:43 PM

It is not necessarily the veggies so much as the PROPERTIES of those veggies. Many of them are high in potassium, therefore diuretic in nature. I stick with those veggies on the original list because Dr S knew what he was talking about!! I can do without zucchini for 21 days.

Tricialy · 07-21-2011, 04:39 PM

I ate zucchini, yellow squash, and green beans without problems - I tried to eat one serving of each maybe once a week though and mostly stick with protocol veggies. The round I did during January was the hardest - I really needed to eat a warm vegetable - cucumbers, tomatoes, lettuce, and celery weren't cutting it. Then again, maybe I would have lost more if I hadn't eaten these additional vegetables, but if it helped me stay on track, I guess it wasn't so bad. You could try one serving of one and see what happens tomorrow.

Nicole T · 07-21-2011, 04:54 PM

I've been eating the 99% fat free turkey the past week and have had higher losses than I did the week before! There is ground turkey and then there is ground turkey breast. The ground turkey contains dark meat also and that's why the cals and fat are higher. It must specify ground turkey breast and say 99% lean on it and you'll be fine.

Zbunny · 07-21-2011, 04:54 PM

I eat boiled radishes, spinach "sauteed" in broth, and beef w/cabbage, so I get my warm veggies, although I would eat zucchini fresh out of the garden if I had any

07-17-2011, 03:27 PM	#1
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	Research behind Veggies List I'm wondering why the veggies on P2 are so limited. I don't recall the Dr. mentioning any research behind the veggies he chose. It does look like they're all low carb and low cal. I'm about to have a burst of zucchini and summer squash from the garden. These are some of the main veggies on low carb. I want to stay on protocol if I can, but I can't see a super good reason not to eat these low carb veggies if I watch the cals. I wonder if they tried a bunch of veggies and these came out on top or if they just listed these due to their characteristics...all except the onion, I can't figure that one out... Any thoughts? __________________ Stats as of 6/16/2012 Height 5'2", Weight Start - 275 Pant Size Start - 26 how embarrassing!!

07-18-2011, 11:40 AM	#12
miamiloca Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: S.Florida Posts: 416 Gallery: miamiloca Stats: 299 high/269 started hcg/197.0 ALDW/175 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 3-5-2011	Ive been rather "rougish" the last 2 rounds and added in turkey breast. i buy a whole breast at the grocery and roast it-remove the skin and just eat the breast meat. It's so good and really hard not to go back for 2nd"s! I also have eaten diff. veggies that are low-cal/carb (like zucchinni) with no ill effects. You have to try it and see how it works for you! The ground turkey does have the dark meat ground in with it, which ups it's fat content tremendously. Some stores sell ground turkey breast, though. You have to pay close attention to the labels. I like baking the whole breast, though. Makes my house smell like Thanksgiving! And theres leftovers for lunches! __________________ proud member of "The Century Club" (100+lb loss)

07-21-2011, 04:39 PM	#20
Tricialy Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Central Texas Posts: 147 Gallery: Tricialy Stats: 196/133/130 WOE: HHCG Start Date: October, 2010	I ate zucchini, yellow squash, and green beans without problems - I tried to eat one serving of each maybe once a week though and mostly stick with protocol veggies. The round I did during January was the hardest - I really needed to eat a warm vegetable - cucumbers, tomatoes, lettuce, and celery weren't cutting it. Then again, maybe I would have lost more if I hadn't eaten these additional vegetables, but if it helped me stay on track, I guess it wasn't so bad. You could try one serving of one and see what happens tomorrow. Last edited by Tricialy; 07-21-2011 at 04:41 PM..

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07-17-2011, 04:23 PM	#2
Balance101 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CT girl in NC Posts: 1,010 Gallery: Balance101 WOE: hHcg Start Date: 10/1/12	I wish I could help, but I've been wondering the same thing. Also, wondering why turkey isn't on the list.

07-17-2011, 04:29 PM	#3
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	Yeah....why isn't turkey on the list?

07-17-2011, 04:38 PM	#5
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	I think that ground turkey is usually sold with dark meet ground into it to make it less dry. I think that's why it's higher.

07-17-2011, 04:58 PM	#6
Balance101 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CT girl in NC Posts: 1,010 Gallery: Balance101 WOE: hHcg Start Date: 10/1/12	I buy the 99% lean ground turkey breast. These are the stats on it:

07-17-2011, 05:04 PM	#7
LilacBruze Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,595 Gallery: LilacBruze Stats: 290/172.6/160 WOE: hHCG Simeons Protocol	Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Poultry food products, ground turkey, raw This doesn't specify the leanness of the ground turkey, but I used the drop-down to select 100 grams and it is MUCH different than what you just posted.

07-17-2011, 05:07 PM	#8
Balance101 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CT girl in NC Posts: 1,010 Gallery: Balance101 WOE: hHcg Start Date: 10/1/12	Yikes. Yeah, the key is to get the 99% lean ground breast!

07-17-2011, 05:21 PM	#9
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	Now this stuff looks like it "should" work. I don't get it.

07-17-2011, 06:16 PM	#11
Zbunny Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell Posts: 2,930 Gallery: Zbunny WOE: hhcg Start Date: P2 Start 1/2/2012	A lot of people are successfully adding different veggies and proteins. A lot. If you want to be 100% protocol, you don't add them; if you're okay being slightly rogue, just give them a try. It's totally up to you!

07-18-2011, 04:05 PM	#13
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	I don't know if it's the heat or the rain we got last night. 2 of my Zuchinnis grew over 4 inches last night. Yep....a BURST LOL

07-21-2011, 02:50 PM	#16
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	Yes! 2x as long and 2x as big around. Next year I'm going to take pictures each day to make sure I'm not going crazy.

07-21-2011, 02:52 PM	#17
KrisJ Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 973 Gallery: KrisJ Stats: 280+/210/115 WOE: LC my way-Carb/Fat/Calorie Cycling Start Date: Restart 7/5/09	Eating Summer Squash and Zuchs with no issues. Continuing to lose. 12 days in. 12 lbs lost minus load weight. 16 including load. Seems to be working!

07-21-2011, 03:43 PM	#19
dawnyama Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 21,343 Gallery: dawnyama Stats: 154/???/115 5'4" WOE: Hhcg/Rwhatever P2 Start Date: 6/1/09	It is not necessarily the veggies so much as the PROPERTIES of those veggies. Many of them are high in potassium, therefore diuretic in nature. I stick with those veggies on the original list because Dr S knew what he was talking about!! I can do without zucchini for 21 days.

07-21-2011, 04:54 PM	#21
Nicole T Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 1,003 Gallery: Nicole T Stats: 192/179/170 WOE: 5:2/Paleo Start Date: 4/22/13	I've been eating the 99% fat free turkey the past week and have had higher losses than I did the week before! There is ground turkey and then there is ground turkey breast. The ground turkey contains dark meat also and that's why the cals and fat are higher. It must specify ground turkey breast and say 99% lean on it and you'll be fine.