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[shelbyla]

Hey hon! Surprisingly, I actually am having a bit of trouble getting calories up to 2000+ on UDs. I think a super omelette AND a burger are doable on an UD. You'd be surprised at how few calories is in stuff. If it helps, on my UDs I've been pretty much eating the following:

B - Hard boiled egg, 2 slices of bacon, coffee with HWC
L - Big a$$ salad with 6oz chicken thighs, a whole avocado, blue cheese dressing, apple
D - Fatty meat (beef, pork, salmon, chicken thighs) veggies with butter
D - berries & cream, cheesecake, coco crack or fudgey peanut coconut squares (something sweet for dessert)

Sometimes if I am low on calories, I have another fruit and/or a container of Greek yogurt. LOTS of food! And beats the heck out of P2!

ETA: I also don't worry too much about calories on DDs. I started last week at around 700 calories. Today I was probably closer to 550 but it's not as critical as P2 to stick super closely to the number.

[1BellaDonna]

OMG! You can eat all of that on an UD?? That looks like heaven! lol What are your UD max. calories? I don't think my brain can wrap around calories as well, now that I've done carb counting for so long. I probably had better start planning meals now, huh? Thanks for posting the sample menu. I can't wait to eat eggs and veggies...oooooooooooh zucchini and eggplant!!! (swoooooooooooon) Are you watching your carbs, other than avoiding the typical no-no's (sugar, rice, potatoes, flours, corn, carrots)? Are you giving yourself a carb limit? On Atkins, I pretty much could only stay at induction levels to lose. I feel like I have five million programs in my head competing with each other. Sigh. I want to do this and to be successful. I guess starting with planning some menus will be a good start...I hope. :-)

Hugs to you, my friend! Btw, thank you for the nice FB post re: the article. Very sweet. xoxo

[Lildrew]

Hi!!!!!!!! Have any of you read Secrets to A Healthy Metabolism by Maria Emmerich? I just got done reading it a week or two ago and it totally rocked my world! I can't wait for P3 and being able to cook ALL (ha!) of her recipes. I can't wait for P2 to be over!!!!

Your son is TOOOO cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by 1BellaDonna

OMG! You can eat all of that on an UD?? That looks like heaven! lol What are your UD max. calories? I don't think my brain can wrap around calories as well, now that I've done carb counting for so long. I probably had better start planning meals now, huh? Thanks for posting the sample menu. I can't wait to eat eggs and veggies...oooooooooooh zucchini and eggplant!!! (swoooooooooooon) Are you watching your carbs, other than avoiding the typical no-no's (sugar, rice, potatoes, flours, corn, carrots)? Are you giving yourself a carb limit? On Atkins, I pretty much could only stay at induction levels to lose. I feel like I have five million programs in my head competing with each other. Sigh. I want to do this and to be successful. I guess starting with planning some menus will be a good start...I hope. :-)

Hugs to you, my friend! Btw, thank you for the nice FB post re: the article. Very sweet. xoxo

I think my UD max calories are somewhere between 2100 and 2300. The above is probably right around 2100. I AM watching my carbs but since I am well past P4 at this point, I have had carrots and legumes (hummus, mostly). I have issues with wheat so haven't had a whole lot of that kind of thing but I am going to test out sushi pretty soon. I know that I can usually eat rice without much impact although the soy sauce will do me in every time! At least THAT'S water weight!

You are welcome for the fb post. It was a lovely article.

Drew!

[1BellaDonna]

Michelle, how is it my numbers are so low? Did I out it in wrong? I put in 155 lbs, 42 yrs (will be soon enough), and 68 inches... I have a DD like 347!!! :-( Are yours for maintenance? I still want to lose 10-15 lbs.

Drew, I'm not aware of this book. From your post, you seem quite excited! Maybe I should read the book. It could be a sign bc that author's last name is the German version of my son's name, Emery. LolThanks for the compliment on my kiddo. He's something else. He just turned five and is reading like crazy. He just read a letter from our CPA about tax info submitted to the IRS. Our CPA was blown away but all I could think about was how nosy my son is and how hard it is to keep stuff from him. Lol

Cathy& Jess- where are you?

[shelbyla]

Letitia - I think you are using the calorie counter on the lowest setting of 20% maintenance calories. Try changing it to the highest setting for weight loss which is 35% of calories and you get 610 calories (on little or no exercise) and 1742 for maintenance. Honestly, if I were you I would try 800/2000 or so and just creep down if you can and you are not losing. That's just my opinion though and I am certainly far from knowledgeable about this. I HAVE read that a lot of people start JUDDD like that and it makes it easier on them. It's a thought anyway. You probably DO have the whole 500 calorie thing just about memorized by now though... (that's why I started with normal p2 and just added an egg for breakfast...)

[1BellaDonna]

Well, today was my first day off of P2. I still am not 100% clear on things with JUDD, so I'm going to make this a P3 week but JUDD-like while I figure out the numbers. I kind of dread the calculating of calories. Uggh. This morning I had THE.BEST omlette from the DH. It was BIG and delish so if I am hungry for lunch I will just eat an apple. It was 3 eggs, half avocado, bacon, mush, onions, and cheese. It prob was 700-800 calories! For dinner I am having a pork chop and my beloved sauteed zucchini. Tomorrow, I plan on eating a Trader Joe's Harvest salad for a late lunch and then an apple for dinner, maybe a cheese stick for a snack. That will put me around 500 calories. What do you think, Michelle?

[shelbyla]

Hi Letitia. Yay for P3 omlettes! Yay for P3 after P2! I think your plan for tomorrow looks fine as long as you are comfortable eating in that pattern. Personally, I can't eat just one meal per day (or a big meal and a snack) but if that works for you, then I say go for it! The good thing about JUDDD is that you don't have those pesky prohibitions on the types of foods, the combinations of foods, or the timing of foods! Fingers crossed for you!

[shelbyla]

Ok, so I am going to repost something here that I posted on the P3/4 thread about "JUDDD for dummies". (Not that I am saying you're a dummy--that's what C'Marie called it!)

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Ok, so JUDDD for dummies... ( ). I am going to post this because C'Marie asked. PLEASE, if anyone wants to know more, hop on over to the JUDDD board, as I am certainly not the expert as I haven't even been doing it 2 weeks yet! I can't answer the question about whether someone/everyone has the gene but the impression that I get is that everyone has it, it just needs to be activated. As I understand it, the gene creates enzymes in the body that build up over the course of 2-4 weeks. Going "off plan" doesn't set you back to square one, it just delays the build up. The objective is to get enough of a reserve in your body so that you can eat 10-14 UDs in a row without impact. More to come on that as I get through the book!

Anyway, an easy way to think about JUDDD, from an hcg perspective, is to think of it as alternating P2 days with P3 days.

On your DD's, eat like P2 EXCEPT you CAN mix veggies, you CAN have other types of proteins and carbs, you CAN use lotions and whatnot, and you don't HAVE to keep it to 500 calories. In fact I have been coming in anywhere from 550 to 800 or so. A typical DD for me looks like this: 1 hard boiled egg in the morning with one cup of coffee with 2T fat-free creamer, chicken breast salad for lunch with 2 mushrooms and green onions and WF dressing with a small apple or pear, P2 chili or beef & cabbage for dinner with strawberries. I have been rarely straying from this DD menu just because it's really easy for me to remember, I don't have to count calories because I know that I am eating DD calories unless I do something different, and I am not worrying about mixing things up like I obsess over in P2. Tomorrow is going to be interesting as I will be having a DD meal that is oysters and white wine. I haven't been more than just a little hungry on DDs with out hcg and I DO have low blood sugar issues so I am not sure why not. If I get hungry, I have green tea or coffee or Yerba Mate. Of course, this is MY menu. If you would rather eat 2 or 3 Lean Cuisines every day or do protein shakes, that's ok too.

On your UDs eat like P3 but do try to get in a significant amount of calories. For me that means my UDs look like this: 1 egg and a serving of bacon, sausage or a turkey patty for breakfast with 3 big cups of coffee with cream or HnH, a giant salad for lunch with leftover fatty meat (chicken thigh, steak, lamb), avocado, REAL dressing and whatever veggies I want, fatty meat with veggies and butter, possibly a little bit of starch (potato, sweet potato, bread, rice) for dinner with berries & cream or cheesecake or chocolate or wine. If I seem to be coming in low on calories (if I'm having fish for dinner for example), I will throw in an extra Greek yogurt and berries in mid-afternoon. The macronutrient composition of the calories doesn't seem to matter, just the actual amount. It IS important to get a decent amount of calories in though to avoid the body's starvation response.

One big trick for me in this WOE is to do a bunch of batch cooking on Sunday. Pre-cooked bacon or sausage, hard boiled eggs, chicken thighs, chicken breast, so that I don't have to really think about what I am going to eat. I've even been bagging the chicken breast on Sunday too so all I have to do is throw some lettuce and some WF dressing in a container with a bag of chicken. As mentioned, if you don't want to make real meals for DDs, you can use meal replacement shakes or frozen dinners.

There is a big focus on counting calories but I think we all know exactly how many calories make up 500! The UD calories are a little trickier but eating to satiation seems to work for a lot of people "over there." If you are pressed for time and don't have the inclination to count calories, at least at the beginning, this approach MIGHT get you started on the path. I DO encourage everyone to look into it and obviously read when you have the time. Just so you can see how this has looked for me (from memory so this is approximate and I don't have the 0.x's), my days have looked a little like this:

2/28 149.~ 1100 calories
2/29 148.~ 1300
3/1 147.~ 1500
3/2 145.~ 1700
3/3 144.5 (no clue--only had vodka! )
3/4 143.1 2500
3/5 145.~ 2300
3/6 145.8 750 DD official start to JUDDD
3/7 144.3 2300 UD
3/8 143.2 650 DD
3/9 141.8 2800 UD
3/10 142.5 650 DD
3/11 142.8 2300 UD
3/12 143.6 575 DD
3/13 143.0 2300 UD
3/14 142.6 650 DD
3/15 142.1 ???? UD

As you can see, it is not completely linear but my whole objective here is really to MAINTAIN in the low 140's and I seem to be doing that.

HTH

[1BellaDonna]

Excellent post!!!! Thank you! This is just the type of thing that I was looking for. I have been maintaining and decided that since I want to have my Saturdays as UD's, I had yesterday as another moderately UD. Today I had a cup of regular greek yogurt (not into low fat anything!) and 3/4 of a cappuccino for breakfast. Then I was on the road for work and just ate 2 tbsp of pb when I got home and a cup of trader joe's green beans (the snacks). Honestly, I'm scared to have dinner bc I want to lose and think my calories should be at the super low level. (Not really sure how to determine which percentage to use on the JUDD calculator). You know? BTW, I must admit that I'm dreading the calorie counting. :-(

[shelbyla]

Letitia - is today a DD then? If so, you probably already have 500 or so calories in so I wouldn't worry about eating dinner unless you are hungry. A cup of yogurt is around 150, pb is around 200, not sure about the green bean snacks but something anyway. 350 won't kill ya! But ya gotta eat on those UDs. Use tomorrow to have your awesome omelette, burger and dinner! I had a great DD today that even included having wine and oysters. Fingers crossed that I can keep myself away from food now that I'm home...

As far as percentages go, figure your lowest with the 20% (lowest weight loss) and your highest at 45% (highest weight loss/maintenance) then shoot for somewhere in between. I know my DD range is 431 to 970 and still be in weight loss mode, theoretically.

I do honestly think it's better to eat to satiation on UDs, P3 style, and eat whatever feels right on DDs. You DO have to not to get freaked out by the scale though. It can be tough, but the scale, she bounces (as they say over on the JUDDD board! )!

[1BellaDonna]

I am down from 154.2 to....... 151.2 today!!!!!! So happy! Will keep tweaking as I go along. Re: the DD, knew I was at my end but, ya know. :-) Looking feed to yummiest today. The other day was heavenly! I missed my veggies!

[shelbyla]

3 pounds is awesome! Today is an UD for me too. I am expecting the worst tomorrow as I will be drinking BEER today!

I'm sitting around waiting for Bernice to arrive. That's one weird thing about this WOE. Even in P2, Bernice was pretty regular (so to speak). Same time of day, same volume (ikwim), daily. Obviously, volume changed with P3 but not much else. This WOE seems to confuse my GI tract and I am all over the place. It wouldn't really bother me except that I wait to weigh until after she visits (and before any food or whatever) and this messes with my morning timing. Can anyone say OCD???

[shelbyla]

AAAAND...drumroll, please! Down 1.7 from DD yesterday! AND I am down a few scraps of inches here and there. Happy day!

[catjrow3]

You are doing great Michelle. When I did JUDDD, I would go down some after DD, then would be UD, go up 1-2 lbs, then go down 1.5 or something and then up...over the course of a week or so, was really gaining a tiny bit rather than losing anything... no matter what I tried.... Wanted it to work though... was better than P2! LOL

[1BellaDonna]

Cathy!!!! There you are! I was hoping you'd check in! :-) I was thinking that JUDD might be good for you too and was going to suggest you trying it...but then just read your post. lol Oh well. :-) I am anxious to lose the last of this weight but to find some WOE where I can stop feeling deprived and perhaps be less likely to binge (not referring to emotional eating--that's its own issue!lol). I am so sick of the yo-yo. Uggh!! Anyway, how are you doing? What's the latest and greatest?

Michelle- Way to go, woman!! So psyched for you! You always seem successful though. You are one determined woman...and so focused. How's everything else?

[catjrow3]

Letitia, I wish it would have worked for me.. I was hoping the same thing. While the scale would go up, and then down (drove me a bit crazy) it might be okay for maintaining with me, but was not good for losing... but such is the way with all diets and me I think.... I am losing very slowly currently on Slimgenics, but have not had a binge in several weeks now, so thats a positive. Not sure thats it all that different than the OWL version of HCG though, but no HCG..... i am giving it a bit longer to decide how it works for me overall!!

I am sure JUDDD will work great for you! Look at MIchelle, she is inspiring!! Let me know how it goes!!

[1BellaDonna]

Well UP to 152.6...Hoping it's some water retention bc I had a bit of wine last night (fell down in my closet! oops!) and not much water all day. Oh well, today is a DD and I keeep reminding myself about the bouncing scale.

Cathy, I'm so happy to hear youve gone this long without a binge!!! THAT is major stuff! Really major. I hope I can follow suit! Keep me posted on Slimgenics. I'm curious about it.

[catjrow3]

TOM visited me 5 days early this morning, and so I am hoping that maybe in a few days I will actually see a loss of a couple of pounds?? A girl can hope .... just checked over my numbers and basically I have been the same weight for about 14 days.. up down 0.2, 0.6, etc... but basically in the same pound range for 2 weeks now... boo! LOL But with TOM visiting early (used to gain 3-5 lbs during that time, but everything is so messed up these days not sure if I do anymore) but if so...maybe I do have a drop in my future, and I really need one right now to keep me going and not to cave in.... I can do this...

Very normal to go up after an UD!! thats the hard part of JUDDD, the ups and downs, but if you go down overall, its worth it to not restrict everyday!! Good luck with it, and take the UP in stride!!

[shelbyla]

Cathy is totally right there about the ups and downs. I figure I always always need to give something a fair shake of 2-4 weeks before I decide something isn't working. And I DO try to do whatever it is perfectly so That if it DOESN'T work, I know it's the plan and not something that I have done, kwim? And I always think about thw eight bounces like this...was what you ate yesterday worth the 1.4 that you went up? I always make sure it was. That said, not sure that I want to weigh myself today. I know that I went way over calories yesterday, got into the nut butters AND had chocolate, and not the dark kind either! The good part about that is that doing JUDDD you don't HAVE to weigh every day if you don't want to!

Had a bad bad dream last night about the bf. I think my subconscious is trying to tell me something...

[shelbyla]

Btw, if you guys aren't skimming threads in the main hcg lobby, you gotta check out Drew's progress pics. She looks AMAZING!

Progress Pictures

[catjrow3]

Thanks MIchellie for the link. I went and looked, wow, she does look amazing!!! Wonderful!

[shelbyla]

Well, I weighed anyway and HOLY WATER WEIGHT, BATMAN! 4.3 pounds! Jeez oh pete! Blech. Gonna have a nice DD today to get it offoffoff me!

[1BellaDonna]

Checked the link and Drew looks awesome! So proud of her!! Thanks for sharing, Michelle!

A bit hungry today but still did okay on this DD. Looking forward to tomorrow for sure! I love love love love eggs!! Hmm, maybe for a late lunch since I have to leave early for my commute tomorrow morning. Oh well.

Hugs to you ladies!!

[Lildrew]

Thank you all so much!! I can't tell you how good I am feeling! I am really looking forward to getting back to working out and firming up a bit. I am so glad I have you guys to talk to!!!

[1BellaDonna]

Drew, we're cheering you on all along your journey!! So happy for you, girlie!!

[1BellaDonna]

Cathy and gang- what's doing???

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by 1BellaDonna

Cathy and gang- what's doing???

Nothing too much here Letitia....how are you getting along with JUDDD???

[1BellaDonna]

Cathyyyyyyy! Hi, my friend! I'm plugging along withnJUDDD. I'm about to have a visit from TOM and would like to blame this (along with "regular" Bernice issues) on my not losing like I'd want. Lol I've done a week on it and have steadily gained weight(WTH? Lol) but today I was finally lower again. I am going to definitely give it a good two weeks before surrendering. So far, I feel like I could possibly maintain this. When I've been eati g on an UD, ivebeen wanting veggies and not a bunch of the normal junk I gravitate towards. Okay, I ate a spoonful of Nutella today but I didn't want to binge like I normally do. I know I will get to have foods I want again and perhaps I need to feel like nothi g is fully off limits anymore. The emotional eating/b and p will be a constant effort but I'm thinking the all out over the top eating will end...maybe....hopefully? I'm so all or nothing. It's either eat everything and anything (and gain weight like theres no tomorrow)or try to starve. Sigh. Anyway, we will see. For now I'm much more in control. I'll take it for as long as it will last!! Lol.

What are you doing this weekend? My goal is not to become fully homicidal (dang pms!) or overly lazy. I need to get out of my funk and to spend some qt with my boys while I'm this two week break. Hmm, maybe a visit to the library tomorrow.

Sending you hugs!

[Lildrew]

Originally Posted by 1BellaDonna

Drew, we're cheering you on all along your journey!! So happy for you, girlie!!

THanks!!! Now if I could just stabilize!! ARGH!!!!!!!