Simeons Protocol -- P3/P4 Week of 6/27/11

[dazygyrl]

can i join you lovlies?

i decided just tonight that this evening's hhcg dose will be my last for my first round. vlcd37. down 14 lbs. was hoping for 15, but definitely am happy with how i look compared to when i started.

so, tomorrow and sat will be vlcd without hcg then sunday will be p3d1.

been lurking in your thread for awhile in preparation for p3.

[RedsSkinnyJeans]

Oh lord - I just spit at my monitor.

NEEKO!!!!!

I swear - ya'll have warped me for life with this Bernice stuff. ROFL

I'm calling it quits with this day. Hubby, (who is 18 pounds down, and 4 pound below LDW), ate a HUGE burger today with O N I O N R I N G S , (family gathering) then a Mickey D's Chicken burger for dinner. Undoubtedly he will wake up 2 pounds down. Then my plan is to taze him while his naked butt stands on the scale tomorrow morning and he is singing out his victory at the top of his lungs.

I think it's important to have a plan.
A failure to plan is a plan to fail - or something.
That reminds me, I should put some pillows on my bathroom floor so he doesn't get a concussion.

I got my cycle today, 5 days early. Did you hear me people? I said FIVE days early. That is FIVE freakin' days early!!!

I carted old people around all day, (and they had the nerve to be sweet, damnit....that really gauls me_), and did the family gathering thing. The old family members are wonderful, and the sibling-marriage mates were mental. I was a freakin' drama -traffic -cop. Seriously, it felt like all day I was riding the ultimate "Drama-Express" roller coaster at six flags.

I may or may not be cranky right now.

Ok - I'm clocking out. I will wake up Suzie Sunshine. Or...Suzie Something. Maybe Suzie partly cloudy. But Not Suzie Oreman. I don't butter my bread that way, (not that I care anything about who does).......I'll shut up now. Good night is the smartest thing I can say.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

so, tomorrow and sat will be vlcd without hcg then sunday will be p3d1.

and enjoy P3. Friday/Sat are my last days of it! Congrats on sticking thru your round - you did great!

Originally Posted by RedL.I.

I may or may not be cranky right now.

Ok - I'm clocking out. I will wake up Suzie Sunshine. Or...Suzie Something. Maybe Suzie partly cloudy. But Not Suzie Oreman. I don't butter my bread that way, (not that I care anything about who does).......I'll shut up now. Good night is the smartest thing I can say.

[RedsSkinnyJeans]

Originally Posted by paulabob

Thank you :-) Glad ya'll know the vents are all in fun.

After the Lyme Disease, and living with a weight-losing-burger-snarfing hubby, AND having Aunt Flo come early - I've realized I've also caught hubbys cold. (After a good night's sleep, I was re-considering the tazing treatment, but maybe not).

Nothing makes sense about my getting my cycle early - I am usually SO scheduled, (albeit 25 days - but it's regular at 25 days!)

Ever use this website? Femilia :: Free Online Ovulation Calculator, Ovulation Calendar, Fertile Days, Fertility, Menstrual Calendar, Reminders Great site. Have used it for years. My friends laugh when I say: "I'm getting my period! I know cauz I got an email!"

Ok - focusing on the positive. Today, after I call the ambulance for my burger-wolfing-"Guess what honey, I lost more weight" husband, I guess I'll focus on taking Zycam and looking through the recipe threads. Gotta have more diversity in my diet. I keep eating the same things over and over!

Thanks for putting up with me everybody. And thanks for not taking me seriously when I vent.

[C'Marie]

I am waiting for the transport to the airport - literally - bag by the door, scale in bag

See ya all later!

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by RedL.I.

Hubby, (who is 18 pounds down, and 4 pound below LDW), ate a HUGE burger today with O N I O N R I N G S , (family gathering) then a Mickey D's Chicken burger for dinner. Undoubtedly he will wake up 2 pounds down. Then my plan is to taze him while his naked butt stands on the scale tomorrow morning and he is singing out his victory at the top of his lungs.

I think it's important to have a plan.
A failure to plan is a plan to fail - or something.
That reminds me, I should put some pillows on my bathroom floor so he doesn't get a concussion.

LOL, This is SOOO my hubby--- can I borrow your tazer when you're done?

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by nmbnancy

Weighed exactly at my LDW today. I have never been stable like this before, it is wonderful. I do not eat breakfast, do y'all think it makes a difference? Previously on other diets they said you should to get your metabolism started. What do you think?

I haven't been a breakfast eater since elementary school (I stopped eating bkfast in 7th grade because I thought 110lb at 5ft 3 was too fat) Anyway, for me, I think not eating bkfast was in part a contributing factor to a messed up metabolism. I don't eat as soon as I get up-- I do have coffee with cream and after an hour or two I have a protein shake or egg, or flax muffin/brownie. Just my two cents, because I know for me that skipping meals OFTEN messed me up

[1moretry]

I had a very strange first day on P3 yesterday and have decided to not do anything about it but keep on keeping on. I started taking my supplements again, including my probiotics, and had diarrhea in the afternoon, but otherwise felt fine. After reading the first half of Gary Taubes' new book, I had decided to experiment with a low carb diet to see what effect that would have on my blood sugar (I'm diabetic) and was also following someone else's suggestion to cut out all fruit for at least the first week on P3 and keep my calories at around 800-1,000 for the same first week. I had worked so hard to get this weight off and was terrified of eating more again.

Sooooo, long story short, I had NO HUNGER yesterday for the first time since VCLD day 1 (I was hungry EVERY day, but not all day --just a good part of every day from the time I went on VCLD). I had also lost muscle and "normal fat" because I could see it (I was lumpy and my blood vessels were visible through my skin) and today I seem to be filling in where I was lumpy and normal fat seems to be coming back. I am wondering if I was somehow destroying the HCG all along (I have a history of being autoimmune and having an over-reactive immune system.)

I had lost 1.6 pounds when I got on the scale this morning, despite no BM (that kind of loss hasn't happened for me since the first week on P2). I wasn't trying to lose weight. It just happened. My blood sugar was down 10 points from yesterday, too, so I am going to keep on doing what I am doing and see where it takes me. I feel good -- not at all weak or dizzy, like I was toward the end of P2 -- and I began working with the allergy kit last night and felt a sort of inner peace afterward.

I am still following Simeons' directions of no starch and no sugar on P3, so does this make me rogue? I ate steak and broccoli with butter in the morning, a hamburger with a tomato for lunch, and cod and cauliflower with lemon and butter for dinner. I am planning on experimenting with ground beef, bok choy, Miracle Noodles and coconut oil in a stir fry today and will continue working with the allergy kit (a new vial gets treated every second day) because I am allergic to almost everything I put in my mouth except water, beef, and cabbage. I can't even eat lettuce!

I read somewhere on another thread that P3 is where the reshaping takes place, and that seems to be happening for me right now. I seem to be putting muscle and normal fat back on, and maybe this loss is just temporary. I feel like I am the subject of my own experiment now and I can't help but wonder if the HCG was working for me these past 7 weeks or it was just the low calorie diet.

I'd like to keep posting here if that's okay, but would like to stick with the plan recommended by a veteran on this WOE and see where it takes me. I see some others adjusted their window down and I'd like to see if this happens for me, too. I do expect and want to stabilize, but don't know where the floor is just yet. Day 2 and counting to my next round of P2 on August 13.

[1moretry]

Originally Posted by KelliC

I haven't been a breakfast eater since elementary school (I stopped eating bkfast in 7th grade because I thought 110lb at 5ft 3 was too fat) Anyway, for me, I think not eating bkfast was in part a contributing factor to a messed up metabolism. I don't eat as soon as I get up-- I do have coffee with cream and after an hour or two I have a protein shake or egg, or flax muffin/brownie. Just my two cents, because I know for me that skipping meals OFTEN messed me up

I also messed up my metabolism big time by not eating until noon, eating a large meal then and a "snack" in the evening. From what I know now about how that affects insulin levels, it was a prescription to gain weight, which I did! I wasn't hungry again until I had burned off the previous day's excesses.

When I started eating according to a plan given to me by an endocrinologist (similar to South Beach, with three "meals" and two "snacks" spaced out every two-three hours -- each snack still had protein, moderate carbs and fat), breakfast became essential to not only not gaining weight, but also in keeping my blood sugar stable throughout the day. I never experienced hunger that way, but while I had stopped gaining weight, I couldn't lose any until HCG.

From what I am learning about the physiology of those who are predisposed to become obese (I am definitely in that group!), understanding how insulin works in our bodies (as Gary Taubes explains it) is a big part of making sense out of what to eat and when.

I am still working my way through Taubes' book, and plan on reading some others after that because for me, having this information and the answers to the "why" questions help me make better choices and stay on track. Others may not need to understand the "why," but I sure do!

[paulabob]

Down .6 to slightly under LDW (134.4).

I'm in a perfect place to start my new round, and am getting really, really excited.

1moretry Good luck with those allergies! That has got to make P3 more challenging. I would say eat as much as you can of safe foods and see how far you can push the calories...without making yourself sick!

KelliC and NmbNancy That is kind of funny since I think eating breakfast all those years ruined my metabolism and worsened my hypoglycemia! I guess we are all a little different. Now I seem to do best with nothing on P2, and yogurt on P3 for breakfast (more like midmorning snack).

[Sunny7]

yesterday was my first p3 day, was scared of the scale this morning, but no need, i was the same as yesterday, unbelievable, figured i would be up a couple, so pleasantly surprised

have a good day everyone

[Dreamchaser]

1moretry - I was just wondering, have you had food intolerance testing done before?

[1moretry]

Originally Posted by Dreamchaser

1moretry - I was just wondering, have you had food intolerance testing done before?

I was originally tested by a conventional allergist and tested positive to everything he tested me for, so he said he couldn't help me. Years later, I had a total collapse of my immune system (was bedridden for 2 years and unable to work again for 9 years) and found my way to a doctor in Los Alamos who treated me with energy medicine ("homeopathic" sublingual drops). That worked for awhile, but over time the treatment didn't hold and I started slipping back to being allergic to everything again. I was also allergic (creating antibodies) to my own neurotransmitters, hormones and tissues. That's why I am suspecting that I may have started destroying the HCG when I injected it.

The doctor who put me on HCG uses end-point titration allergy testing and sublingual drops to treat allergies but they contain glycerine and I am allergic to that. I also don't feel that method is the most appropriate one for me. I am using the lasering technique in combination with the vials in the allergy kit, as energy medicine worked well for me in the past, so am hoping it will work again for me now. Once I get through the basic kit, I will be tested for whatever I am still allergic to and treat those, too.

Thanks for asking.

[porkfatrules]

Morning, all!

I am sooo into the tazer idea -- do you think we can go in on a bulk purchase? Husbands, beware . . . do not gloat about your stinkin' easy male weight loss, lest ye feel the wrath of 500 volts! Bwahahahaaaaaaa!

So, in a little adventure I'll call Disaster In The Drive-Through, I went to McDonald's to grab a drink -- ordered a Diet Coke (my only vice! otherwise I'm really perfect, honestly) and he gave me REGULAR Coke! I took a whole mouthful, spit it out, and instantly felt the ghost of Dr. Simeon glaring at me for having had sugar in P3! I pondered a quick trip to Home Depot to find brillo pads to scrub the inside of my mouth . . . instead, I just threw away my soda in disgust, and moved on. Yuck.

Lunch was at Bobby's Burger Palace -- like I mentioned yesterday -- and I had the most amazing salad! (Yes, I had to watch my son eat a gigantic burger with potato chips on it (the "crunchified" burger) with gorgeous huge onion rings . . .) I had the "Philadelphia" burger made into a salad, so a beautiful field greens salad with vinaigrette, burger on top with tons of melted provolone, grilled onions, and hot peppers. YUM YUM YUM! And, I woke up this morning, despite my little sugar infraction with the soda, down two pounds -- I'm now at the low end of my window. Woohoo!

Have a great day, all!

[porkfatrules]

Originally Posted by 1moretry

I read somewhere on another thread that P3 is where the reshaping takes place, and that seems to be happening for me right now..

It's true that some people see significant reshaping during P3, but I don't think it would happen after your first day! Maybe there's something else going on with you. Good luck with your experimenting!

[Angel In TN]

Happy Friday all!!! I just love reading everyone's posts. Good luck with the scales and eating for the holiday weekend.

[Angel In TN]

Originally Posted by porkfatrules

It's true that some people see significant reshaping during P3, but I don't think it would happen after your first day! Maybe there's something else going on with you. Good luck with your experimenting!

I am seeing reshaping but my weight is staying within one pound no matter what I do. I see the changes in my body but not the scale. It is odd but I will take it :blush: I am p3d12.

[NeekoM]

Originally Posted by RedL.I.

Then my plan is to taze him while his naked butt stands on the scale tomorrow morning and he is singing out his victory at the top of his lungs.

I think it's important to have a plan.
A failure to plan is a plan to fail - or something.
That reminds me, I should put some pillows on my bathroom floor so he doesn't get a concussion.

We're even 'cause I spit my coffee all over my keyboard at this one
I should know better by now than to drink something while I'm reading posts on here.

Down another pound today to 1 lb above LDW. I'm sure hubbs will be down 3 today after chicken nuggets, fries, and half a can of almonds last night

BIL, SIL, and niece coming today and I can't wait to make some LC foods for them to enjoy. They have, in the past, been our "bad food" buddies so this will be interesting. Last time they were up was P2 and hubby wolfed down 3 slices of meat stuffed crust pizza (he actually gained from that one) I resisted and plan to do the same this time .

Got my hair chopped off yesterday and I feel like a new woman - new do, new *smaller* clothes, new pedicure too! I'll put a new pic up sometime.

Have a fantastic Friday all!

[nmbnancy]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

i decided just tonight that this evening's hhcg dose will be my last for my first round. vlcd37. down 14 lbs. was hoping for 15, but definitely am happy with how i look compared to when i started.

to P3. Congratulations on your losses. I looked, but must have missed what you decided to do on your anniversary and how it affected you.
I only ask, as my anniversary was 11 days into my 1st round and it was the only time I went off protocol.

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I am waiting for the transport to the airport - literally - bag by the door, scale in bag See ya all later!

Have a Fanatastic Vacation ~~ We will miss you

Originally Posted by KelliC

Anyway, for me, I think not eating bkfast was in part a contributing factor to a messed up metabolism. I don't eat as soon as I get up-- I do have coffee with cream and after an hour or two I have a protein shake or egg, or flax muffin/brownie. Just my two cents, because I know for me that skipping meals OFTEN messed me up

Thx Kelli, I think I probaly need to start eating a little in the morning. I didn't want to hijack another thread, but wanted to ask where you are in FL? Also how long was your 1st round ? I lost 13 lbs at end of 23VLCD, stayed on a few more days and got to goal , but now after 2 wks on P3 I am thinking a lower goal is realistic

Originally Posted by Angel In TN

I am seeing reshaping but my weight is staying within one pound no matter what I do. I see the changes in my body but not the scale. It is odd but I will take it :blush: I am p3d12.

Congratulations on the reshaping. I have stayed at LDW, but can't say I've seen any reshaping. I took my measurements and there is no change. I do feel my belly is more flabby and sometimes more extended ~~ at the end of P2 it seemed very flat.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by nmbnancy

Congratulations on the reshaping. I have stayed at LDW, but can't say I've seen any reshaping. I took my measurements and there is no change. I do feel my belly is more flabby and sometimes more extended ~~ at the end of P2 it seemed very flat.

Just so you know - you aren't alone. I've never reshaped on P3 - inches are always the same but the belly is usually bigger 1/4 or 1/2 inch I think from the extra food. Sometimes my body fat will improve a smidgeon (as in 0.2% or so).

[jabbok]

My 1st day of P3, I had 2 eggs over easy fried in butter and some greek yogurt with raspberries mix in yummy. My weight stayed the same as yesterday.

[dazygyrl]

Originally Posted by nmbnancy

to P3. Congratulations on your losses. I looked, but must have missed what you decided to do on your anniversary and how it affected you.
I only ask, as my anniversary was 11 days into my 1st round and it was the only time I went off protocol.

hi, there! i had a fabulous anniversary meal. awesome ribeye, sweet potato, salad with real dressing, some of the unlimited honey wheat bread they serve, and dh and i even shared a pice of cheesecake although we each only had a very small sliver of the piece. the rest is still sitting in the fridge. lol! BUT, that meal yielded me a 2.2 or 2.4 lb LOSS over 2 days!! i was quite pleasantly surprised!!

[Dreamchaser]

Originally Posted by 1moretry

I was originally tested by a conventional allergist and tested positive to everything he tested me for, so he said he couldn't help me. Years later, I had a total collapse of my immune system (was bedridden for 2 years and unable to work again for 9 years) and found my way to a doctor in Los Alamos who treated me with energy medicine ("homeopathic" sublingual drops). That worked for awhile, but over time the treatment didn't hold and I started slipping back to being allergic to everything again. I was also allergic (creating antibodies) to my own neurotransmitters, hormones and tissues. That's why I am suspecting that I may have started destroying the HCG when I injected it.

The doctor who put me on HCG uses end-point titration allergy testing and sublingual drops to treat allergies but they contain glycerine and I am allergic to that. I also don't feel that method is the most appropriate one for me. I am using the lasering technique in combination with the vials in the allergy kit, as energy medicine worked well for me in the past, so am hoping it will work again for me now. Once I get through the basic kit, I will be tested for whatever I am still allergic to and treat those, too.

Thanks for asking.

Goodness you have been through the ringer! Good luck with your experimenting. I think if anyone can figure it, it's you!

I was just wondering because I heard (online) about an intolerance test that uses a hair sample. Very intriguing.......but I know nothing about them.

[VEEnVEGAS]

After weeks of reading and not really understanding all the posts of others (on another web site), who sounded so concerned and almost afraid of leaving P2 and entering P3, I finally get it!! Today is R1P3D1 for me and I feel a bit lost without my drops and the rigid rules of P2. I've loved the way I've felt while on the hhcg and just really don't know which foods I want to add back into my diet. My plan at the moment is to first just up the amounts of P2 foods (an additional 200-400 calories per day for the first few days) and then slowly add "new" foods into my menus.

I've finished a full 41 days on P2 and lost 21.5 pounds...from 180.5 to 160.0. I still have 25 pounds to reach my goal weight of 135 and hating the fact that I have to move on to P3 even though I understand the importance of it.

Anyone else just beginning P3 feeling the same anxiety I'm feeling about this part of the diet?

[Sunny7]

could someone post a day or two of p3 eating---i am on day 2 and i am running blank here---had a hamburger on a oopsie roll with onion, lettuce and mustard today and yesterday, just had a tea with cream, and this morning had a greek yogurt---i did finish my p2 chili yesterday, but added a scoop of sourcream and a sprinkle of cheese---am i on the right track---it shouldn't be this hard---i've lowcarbed for years, but in a little different way

thanks

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I am waiting for the transport to the airport - literally - bag by the door, scale in bag

See ya all later!

Have a lovely time! Check in soon!

[catkin]

Originally Posted by jabbok

My 1st day of P3, I had 2 eggs over easy fried in butter and some greek yogurt with raspberries mix in yummy. My weight stayed the same as yesterday.

Gotta love that!

[catkin]

145.6. P4. My bod seems to like it here.

PB2 (de-fatted Powdered peanut butter).....in yogurt with HWC and stevia.... No scale reaction...

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Sunny7

could someone post a day or two of p3 eating---i am on day 2 and i am running blank here---had a hamburger on a oopsie roll with onion, lettuce and mustard today and yesterday, just had a tea with cream, and this morning had a greek yogurt---i did finish my p2 chili yesterday, but added a scoop of sourcream and a sprinkle of cheese---am i on the right track---it shouldn't be this hard---i've lowcarbed for years, but in a little different way

thanks

Here is what I typically eat on P3:

Breakfast: 2 scrambled eggs (fried in butter) topped with a TBL or 2 of sour cream; 2 slices bacon; 1/2 grapefruit; a cup of coffee with heavy whipping cream
Lunch: tunafish (a can mixed with mayo and mustard and spices) with maybe a tomato or cucumber OR Greek yogurt (8 oz of full fat sweetened with artificial sweetener) with some berries
Dinner: chicken, fish or beef cooked with butter, salad--real salad dressing, and if hungry, a side of veggies (either squash, broccoli or cauliflower)

I don't do snacks, but if you need them you can have a piece of chicken--I love it dipped in blue cheese dressing OR strawberries with whipped cream OR hard boiled eggs made into deviled eggs...that sort of thing.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by catkin

145.6. P4. My bod seems to like it here.

PB2 (de-fatted Powdered peanut butter).....in yogurt with HWC and stevia.... No scale reaction...

OMG!!! I have the PB2. I have to try that in my yogurt next time, cat Love that it doesn't effect you.