What if we just don't eat?

RunForYourLife · 06-10-2011, 10:28 AM

I think I have found my "sweet spot" for dosage - plus I have added in a bunch of water and ACV. I am not.hungry.at.all. It's a freeing though debilitating feeling - since I am not hungry, I am not too inclined to get up and fix myself something I don't even want!

So if we are metabolizing fat for fuel, if we don't eat, would that work? What if I am heading somewhere tomorrow where I might eat *more* - can I save today's calories for tomorrow?

MiniMeee · 06-10-2011, 10:33 AM

Eating less will trigger the body into thinking it is being starved lowering your metabolism. So you could continue taking in the same number of calories you were eating before but you will gain weight.

Sandelio · 06-10-2011, 10:48 AM

That's a scientifically debatable statement. Mainly perpetuated by the likes of Nestle, General Mills, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig etc. - they NEED to keep you eating AND dieting to make money!

Google Fast 5 or Eat Stop Eat and do some reading...... (or check the Intermittent Fasting thread under "Other" here on LowcarbFriends)

Good luck with your choice!

Ravenj9 · 06-10-2011, 11:11 AM

I think Dr S mentions in P&I that if you don't eat enough calories you can gain weight so I would try to eat at least 450 calories per day. Also, you can't save your food and eat extra calories the next day on this protocol. However, if you are doing your own thing and not following protocol then I guess you could try it and see how your body reacts. My body reacts to everything so I would be too scared to try something so drastic.

Good Luck!

RunForYourLife · 06-10-2011, 11:50 AM

I have a race tonight at 7pm (5k) and a race tomorrow at 7am (5k) and since posting this I have had an apple. In fact I am eating it right now. So I am going to go calorie deficient no matter what. I wonder if going calorie deficient while on hCG while running is going to be a sabotage or a blessing?

I guess we'll see...

K

shelbyla · 06-10-2011, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunForYourLife

I have a race tonight at 7pm (5k) and a race tomorrow at 7am (5k) and since posting this I have had an apple. In fact I am eating it right now. So I am going to go calorie deficient no matter what. I wonder if going calorie deficient while on hCG while running is going to be a sabotage or a blessing?

I guess we'll see...

K

One thing that I found when I used to run was if I had some fruit and some protein immediately BEFORE running, it helped me get through my course. The fruit provides the quick sugar energy and the protein both helps it not get absorbed TOO quickly and gives you energy for the latter part of the run. Maybe some chicken breast or a hamburger patty and another apple right before you run? JMHO

raygun · 06-10-2011, 02:08 PM

were you a runner before?

i saw that you were on vlcd 2. is this your first round with hcg?

the reason i'm asking this is that when i work out now on hcg, my heart rate gets crazy high with very little exertion. i'm talking 172 not going crazy on the eliptical and 155 walking 1.9 mpg at a 13 grade on the treadmill.

so be careful tonight and pay attention to your heart rate.

RunForYourLife · 06-11-2011, 12:32 PM

I have been a runner for 10 years - 6 marathons and 20-something half marathons, and a gazillion other distance races, LOL.

Good idea on the HRM - I will start wearing one (not tomorrow; too difficult during a tri!). Last night I felt okay (it was 90* and 90% humidity). I had an issue not related to energy/fatigue etc that caused me to blow my race but felt okay with an apple and some almonds as my pre-race fuel.

This morning, however, I could actually *feel* myself losing steam/energy/fuel. It was like a car going from unleaded to diesel. I had a comfortably fast first mile (7:51) and then right at the 1/2 way point the bottom dropped out. The second mile was 8:14 and the third 8:42 - which is my training pace, not my racing pace. I had eaten nothing.

Interestingly, though, my weight was LOW low this morning - 155.8. That's about a 6.5 pound lost since my post-load weigh in, and about 2 pounds under my "set point weight".

SO. I don't know. Tomorrow will be the true test as it'll be about 2 hours of endurance racing. Let's see if I can balance out the fueling...

Thanks for the replies even though I've veered off topic a bit!!! LOL

Kathryn

metqa · 06-11-2011, 12:42 PM

based on the idea that you are burning fat and that fat cannot be burned alone and requires certain amino acids in order to be combined to form the type of energy that can be burned, I'd say if you were going to avoid eating you should at least try to eat your protein portions. Fat burning is a misnomer, the fat is broken down, but only part of is is "burned". what actually happens is part is taken and combined with anino acids to create glucose which is burned, the other part is left are ketones which also can be burned, but the fat breakdown for energy requires that protein component, in any situation, dieting or no.

Good luck in your race

raygun · 06-11-2011, 02:17 PM

ok, metqa. i am going to have to write out a flow chart to figure that one out!

are you saying that the fat hcg burns turns into glucose and the fat burned by exercise is ketones and that the glucose needs protein to run through our systems? (i'm a pastry chef if that helps you understand my lack of understanding.

)

metqa · 06-11-2011, 02:53 PM

Sorry!
Biology 101- hopefully I can say this in normal words.

Fat by itself can't be "burned". the body doesn't burn FAT it burns1) glucose, and 2)ketones, a type of alcohol.

Fat can be used only after it is broken apart. Part of this goes out to be made into glucose and the rest Ketones, can be burned or excreted. ( remember this is the simple version so all you know it alls don't flame me)

The body takes the free Part of the Fat and combines it with special amino acids to make a new glucose to burn. But these amino acids are usually found in skeletal protein, in other words MUSCLE.

that's why you should eat dietary protein to supply the amino acids.

it doesn't matter what kind of diet you are doing, that's how fat "burns".

clear as mud right?

ETA: actually the heart and brain can burn ketones, the heart prefers them, but you'd have to go low carb for them to be burned effeciently. almost everything else either prefers or can only use Glucose for energy.

GME · 06-11-2011, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunForYourLife

I have been a runner for 10 years - 6 marathons and 20-something half marathons, and a gazillion other distance races, LOL.

Good idea on the HRM - I will start wearing one (not tomorrow; too difficult during a tri!). Last night I felt okay (it was 90* and 90% humidity). I had an issue not related to energy/fatigue etc that caused me to blow my race but felt okay with an apple and some almonds as my pre-race fuel.

This morning, however, I could actually *feel* myself losing steam/energy/fuel. It was like a car going from unleaded to diesel. I had a comfortably fast first mile (7:51) and then right at the 1/2 way point the bottom dropped out. The second mile was 8:14 and the third 8:42 - which is my training pace, not my racing pace. I had eaten nothing.

Interestingly, though, my weight was LOW low this morning - 155.8. That's about a 6.5 pound lost since my post-load weigh in, and about 2 pounds under my "set point weight".

SO. I don't know. Tomorrow will be the true test as it'll be about 2 hours of endurance racing. Let's see if I can balance out the fueling...

Thanks for the replies even though I've veered off topic a bit!!! LOL

Kathryn

I used to do JUDDD (Johnson's Up Day Down Day Diet)- which was VLC one day and "normal" the next. I often fasted during the down days. The guy that wrote the plan says it takes 36 hrs for your body to reset its metabolism lower to compensate for the lack of food- so you go very low one day to create the deficit and eat more the next day (but not too much) so you never go into the much-debated starvation mode.

Anywho, I could run fine on the morning of a down day, going off the previous up day's food. I made the mistake of going out for a long run on the morning of an up day (so very little food the day before) once.

I was OK for a while, but I got about three miles in on a trail and completely konked. I felt a lot like you described before I finally gave up. It was an effort to walk back out.

porkfatrules · 06-11-2011, 03:41 PM

Metqa -- I have always loved your posts!

metqa · 06-11-2011, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkfatrules

Metqa -- I have always loved your posts!

:blush:
Thanks.

I've been in that "don't feel like eating" zone before, so I know it's hard, and I have to rationalize like that to make me do right. Plus I have a paranoid BF so I have to explain everything to him so he doesn't think I'm starving myself.

porkfatrules · 06-11-2011, 03:48 PM

Yes but, not just here -- I'm thinking waaaaay back to the Kimkins Wars (I lurked for years before I joined), and other controversial discussions on LCF. You're always the voice of reason and science, and I love the info!

C'Marie · 06-12-2011, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metqa

Sorry!
Biology 101- hopefully I can say this in normal words.

Fat by itself can't be "burned". the body doesn't burn FAT it burns1) glucose, and 2)ketones, a type of alcohol.

Fat can be used only after it is broken apart. Part of this goes out to be made into glucose and the rest Ketones, can be burned or excreted. ( remember this is the simple version so all you know it alls don't flame me)

The body takes the free Part of the Fat and combines it with special amino acids to make a new glucose to burn. But these amino acids are usually found in skeletal protein, in other words MUSCLE.

that's why you should eat dietary protein to supply the amino acids.

it doesn't matter what kind of diet you are doing, that's how fat "burns".

clear as mud right?

ETA: actually the heart and brain can burn ketones, the heart prefers them, but you'd have to go low carb for them to be burned effeciently. almost everything else either prefers or can only use Glucose for energy.

This is the part I always don't know quite how to say when I tell people it takes some time for their body to quit burning the glucose that's just free-flowing in an "ordinary" diet to when you start the VLCD. I'm sure I've been explaining it wrong - I'm an accountant, not a bio major, Jim!!!

I'm so NOT a know it all - it just helps when you try to explain to people NOT to freak out when they feel icky starting the VLCD - and are sugar/chemical detoxing and basically forcing their body to start "burning" fat - ie switching the fat to something it CAN burn....with the help of protein.

Good explanation!

RedsSkinnyJeans · 06-12-2011, 02:29 AM

I really appreciate the informative, intelligent, helpful posts and people on this board. THANK YOU!

RunForYourLife · 06-12-2011, 08:44 AM

I so agree - that was interesting Bio 101! I always assumed the fat was literally being chunked off and burned in lieu of any other energy source. I can most certainly tell that my "engine" is running on something different. Also, my weight is still down (156.2 so only up .4 from yesterday, when I was 162.2 on Thursday morning). I did not do well on any of my races this weekend (I finished, just not as well as usual or expected) but I am pleased that my body is reshaping and this isn't my "racing season" due to the heat, so it's okay if I don't post PRs right about now... which is why this is a good time to be messing with my diet WHILE racing!

I am learning a lot more about fueling and my body than I ever knew just by doing HCG, which is interesting. I feel like it is so "stripped down" that I can tell right away what's working for me and what's not, rather than guessing which of the 383 foods I ate in the last 24 hours which is making me feel ___________ (name the feeling).

I am actually thinking of doing kind of an "up" thing today. I am truly hungry, but right now trying to curb it a bit with some ACV in water. I think I might do a LC day with higher calories and then ride the no-hunger day that tomorrow will be since I won't be working out. Kinda zig-zag my calories, if that makes sense....

Thanks for all of the input!

metqa · 06-12-2011, 10:26 AM

I hope you at least had fun with your races.
Your POV in the last post is really interesting. Will you come back and let us know how the zig-zagging works out for you?

raygun · 06-12-2011, 01:35 PM

metqa, thanks so much for the clarification. i can usually only understand if it is drawn out on paper with cartoons.

i certainly wish that i had the knowledge of the science instead of just the overall picture, but my tiny brain just doesn't work that way.

thanks again for the info!

RunForYourLife · 06-13-2011, 06:14 AM

I did have fun at my races - I love racing, but I like placing higher better, LOL. But there is a lifetime of that ahead, God willing, and I won't look as bad in my tri-suit doing it, hopefully!

I am up to 158.2 today after a day of indulgences yesterday. I tried to stay low carb, high fat, but I did get some carbs in there. No "real" sugar, though. Some beer. Today I plan on eating as little as possible, pushing some serious water, and drinking a few ACV elixirs as I believe that might be the "magic pill" since that seems to be the tiny missing puzzle piece to really feel control over my appetite.

K

GME · 06-13-2011, 07:33 AM

Please tell me about these ACV elixers. I need an elixer to help with my appetite too.

(and a tri suit I think, but that is for another thread)

RunForYourLife · 06-13-2011, 07:40 AM

I saw your question in the other thread!! You are in a cold area, though, and I am in a warm one so I didn't think I could help. I don't have a tri suit per se; I wear a TYR bathingsuit with tri shorts. I want a tri-suit but they are SO costly and I haven't had the nerve to spend that money just yet!!! But my TYR suit is tight enough to keep the girls in good control on the run and I'm not small...

I put a tablespoon of well-shaken ACV in a tall glass of cold water and drink it at about the rate you would drink a cup of coffee. It really curbs my appetite! What I've been doing is drinking that when I am feeling hunger come on. If the hunger cuts through the ACV then I admit I am hungry and eat. If it doesn't, then yay! It is also a diuretic so that's an added bonus...

K

GME · 06-13-2011, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunForYourLife

I saw your question in the other thread!! You are in a cold area, though, and I am in a warm one so I didn't think I could help. I don't have a tri suit per se; I wear a TYR bathingsuit with tri shorts. I want a tri-suit but they are SO costly and I haven't had the nerve to spend that money just yet!!! But my TYR suit is tight enough to keep the girls in good control on the run and I'm not small...

I put a tablespoon of well-shaken ACV in a tall glass of cold water and drink it at about the rate you would drink a cup of coffee. It really curbs my appetite! What I've been doing is drinking that when I am feeling hunger come on. If the hunger cuts through the ACV then I admit I am hungry and eat. If it doesn't, then yay! It is also a diuretic so that's an added bonus...

K

Thanks for the info. I'm going to try the ACV today.

We have about the same stats (I'm a little older) and goal weights and you run faster than I do so if you don't mind I'll just draft you here on the boards

(read that on a bike forum, working on my tri skills).

nurseypoo5 · 06-13-2011, 09:49 AM

you will pass out lol, promise. I almost did several times. I probably was eating 400 calories a day because i kept forgetting. I even had to shorten p2 by a couple of days because i couldnt take the dizziness. I will say that i did up it a bit and still my body was done. My mind was fine but my body said ENOUGH. If you want to do a longer set, my advise is to eat enough!

RunForYourLife · 06-13-2011, 06:33 PM

Gina - we are twins

I am just learning about biking - I need a forum! I am very very frightened of the bike. VERY.

I think you'll like tri-ing - I do very much. Still not too awesome at it, but I have enough fun to not care (yet - I'm very competitive).

Let me know if you get the same effect of the ACV. I did put some stevia in mine today and

. BUT weirdly, I can see how others might prefer it that way.

Nursey - I do not want to pass out! I'm sorry that happened to you

Today's result - I fasted (had a cup of coffee) until I could stand it no more - around noon. At that point I had an apple and something else (I swear I cannot remember!!). Pushed water, then got VERY hungry so I bought some cashews and ate about 8. I could not come up with anything else to eat "on the run" and I was wanting protein.

For dinner I had a very small organic filet (grilled), some grilled fennel and some baby bella mushrooms (grilled) along with a salad (vinegar and salt for dressing). I am rogue in that I can't justify NOT mixing my veggies, but all in all it was a very low cal day. Let's see if I am still "in trouble" for my indulgences yesterday on tomorrow's weigh-in!! I sure suffered today - it's the hungriest I've been since I started this round. That, alone, is enough to keep me honest!!

K

pinchy · 06-13-2011, 07:03 PM

I'm not on HCG, just south beach dieting, but yes I agree my cravings are gone. Sometimes I have to be starving and let my tummy grumble before being able to eat.

It is wonderful. Hubby was eating chips next to me today and chocolate and I was fine. Just had a slice of my bean brownies! :O

RunForYourLife · 06-15-2011, 07:09 AM

Just updating - I am down to 156.8 today. Not as low as the 155 I saw on the scale over the weekend (which could also have included some dehydration) but moving in the right direction, for sure! That's 5.4 pounds since my first VLCD which was 6/9. Not bad since I am pretty close to goal weight in the first place! I'd like to lose another 11 pounds but I'd be happy to kiss the early 150s.

K

Solstyce · 06-15-2011, 10:48 AM

This might sound silly, but is anyone afraid of having a heart attack or dying if they eat too little?

I watched this episode of Dr. Oz, and one of the experts said that there were 17 cases back in Dr. Simeon's day of people who died of cardiac arrest.

I am at the point where I can eat less than the 500 calories if I wanted to, but I am scared that it might kill me.

Am I being ridiculous?

2011me · 06-15-2011, 11:05 AM

Hrmmm... always a scare tactic for almost anything... if one wants to find one. I am not a doc... but I would 'suspect' there were probably underlying conditions that would have contributed to the heart attacks. There are some who (for religious, or other reasons) fast for days, weeks... or more... obviously there would be less than 500 cals consumed there!

jmho here tho...

06-10-2011, 10:28 AM	#1
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	What if we just don't eat? I think I have found my "sweet spot" for dosage - plus I have added in a bunch of water and ACV. I am not.hungry.at.all. It's a freeing though debilitating feeling - since I am not hungry, I am not too inclined to get up and fix myself something I don't even want! So if we are metabolizing fat for fuel, if we don't eat, would that work? What if I am heading somewhere tomorrow where I might eat more - can I save today's calories for tomorrow?

06-11-2011, 12:42 PM	#9
metqa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 11,566 Gallery: metqa Stats: 145/139/135 WOE: restarting EFGT then a summer HCG round... Start Date: November 2003	based on the idea that you are burning fat and that fat cannot be burned alone and requires certain amino acids in order to be combined to form the type of energy that can be burned, I'd say if you were going to avoid eating you should at least try to eat your protein portions. Fat burning is a misnomer, the fat is broken down, but only part of is is "burned". what actually happens is part is taken and combined with anino acids to create glucose which is burned, the other part is left are ketones which also can be burned, but the fat breakdown for energy requires that protein component, in any situation, dieting or no. Good luck in your race __________________ "You have to understand zat ven a vampire forgoes . . .the b-vord, zere is a process zat ve call transference? Zey force Zemselves to desire somesing else? . . .But your friend chose . . . coffee. And now he has none." "You can find him some coffee, or . . .you can keep a vooden stake and a big knife ready. You vould be doink him a favor, believe me." Monstrous Regiment by Terry Pratchett IBKKF 898 Metqa's P4 JUDDD Journal

06-11-2011, 02:17 PM	#10
raygun Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 8 Gallery: raygun	ok, metqa. i am going to have to write out a flow chart to figure that one out! are you saying that the fat hcg burns turns into glucose and the fat burned by exercise is ketones and that the glucose needs protein to run through our systems? (i'm a pastry chef if that helps you understand my lack of understanding.)

06-11-2011, 02:53 PM	#11
metqa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 11,566 Gallery: metqa Stats: 145/139/135 WOE: restarting EFGT then a summer HCG round... Start Date: November 2003	Sorry! Biology 101- hopefully I can say this in normal words. Fat by itself can't be "burned". the body doesn't burn FAT it burns1) glucose, and 2)ketones, a type of alcohol. Fat can be used only after it is broken apart. Part of this goes out to be made into glucose and the rest Ketones, can be burned or excreted. ( remember this is the simple version so all you know it alls don't flame me) The body takes the free Part of the Fat and combines it with special amino acids to make a new glucose to burn. But these amino acids are usually found in skeletal protein, in other words MUSCLE. that's why you should eat dietary protein to supply the amino acids. it doesn't matter what kind of diet you are doing, that's how fat "burns". clear as mud right? ETA: actually the heart and brain can burn ketones, the heart prefers them, but you'd have to go low carb for them to be burned effeciently. almost everything else either prefers or can only use Glucose for energy. Last edited by metqa; 06-11-2011 at 02:55 PM..

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06-10-2011, 10:33 AM	#2
MiniMeee Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 99 Gallery: MiniMeee Stats: 210/162/145 (5'6") WOE: Lindora Lean for Life Start Date: September 2010	Eating less will trigger the body into thinking it is being starved lowering your metabolism. So you could continue taking in the same number of calories you were eating before but you will gain weight.

06-10-2011, 10:48 AM	#3
Sandelio Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 575 Gallery: Sandelio Stats: 199/184/160 WOE: JUDDD	That's a scientifically debatable statement. Mainly perpetuated by the likes of Nestle, General Mills, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig etc. - they NEED to keep you eating AND dieting to make money! Google Fast 5 or Eat Stop Eat and do some reading...... (or check the Intermittent Fasting thread under "Other" here on LowcarbFriends) Good luck with your choice!

06-10-2011, 11:11 AM	#4
Ravenj9 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 503 Gallery: Ravenj9 Stats: 165.6/137.8/130 5'3 WOE: HCG Start Date: February 2, 2011	I think Dr S mentions in P&I that if you don't eat enough calories you can gain weight so I would try to eat at least 450 calories per day. Also, you can't save your food and eat extra calories the next day on this protocol. However, if you are doing your own thing and not following protocol then I guess you could try it and see how your body reacts. My body reacts to everything so I would be too scared to try something so drastic. Good Luck!

06-10-2011, 11:50 AM	#5
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	I have a race tonight at 7pm (5k) and a race tomorrow at 7am (5k) and since posting this I have had an apple. In fact I am eating it right now. So I am going to go calorie deficient no matter what. I wonder if going calorie deficient while on hCG while running is going to be a sabotage or a blessing? I guess we'll see... K

06-10-2011, 02:08 PM	#7
raygun Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 8 Gallery: raygun	were you a runner before? i saw that you were on vlcd 2. is this your first round with hcg? the reason i'm asking this is that when i work out now on hcg, my heart rate gets crazy high with very little exertion. i'm talking 172 not going crazy on the eliptical and 155 walking 1.9 mpg at a 13 grade on the treadmill. so be careful tonight and pay attention to your heart rate.

06-11-2011, 12:32 PM	#8
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	I have been a runner for 10 years - 6 marathons and 20-something half marathons, and a gazillion other distance races, LOL. Good idea on the HRM - I will start wearing one (not tomorrow; too difficult during a tri!). Last night I felt okay (it was 90* and 90% humidity). I had an issue not related to energy/fatigue etc that caused me to blow my race but felt okay with an apple and some almonds as my pre-race fuel. This morning, however, I could actually feel myself losing steam/energy/fuel. It was like a car going from unleaded to diesel. I had a comfortably fast first mile (7:51) and then right at the 1/2 way point the bottom dropped out. The second mile was 8:14 and the third 8:42 - which is my training pace, not my racing pace. I had eaten nothing. Interestingly, though, my weight was LOW low this morning - 155.8. That's about a 6.5 pound lost since my post-load weigh in, and about 2 pounds under my "set point weight". SO. I don't know. Tomorrow will be the true test as it'll be about 2 hours of endurance racing. Let's see if I can balance out the fueling... Thanks for the replies even though I've veered off topic a bit!!! LOL Kathryn

06-11-2011, 03:41 PM	#13
porkfatrules Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,506 Gallery: porkfatrules Stats: 223/183.5/110 WOE: HCG R3 Start Date: Re-re-re-start 5/8/11	Metqa -- I have always loved your posts!

06-11-2011, 03:48 PM	#15
porkfatrules Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,506 Gallery: porkfatrules Stats: 223/183.5/110 WOE: HCG R3 Start Date: Re-re-re-start 5/8/11	Yes but, not just here -- I'm thinking waaaaay back to the Kimkins Wars (I lurked for years before I joined), and other controversial discussions on LCF. You're always the voice of reason and science, and I love the info!

06-12-2011, 02:29 AM	#17
RedsSkinnyJeans Major LCF Poster! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,007 Gallery: RedsSkinnyJeans Stats: 170/144/140 Start Date: 4/1/11	I really appreciate the informative, intelligent, helpful posts and people on this board. THANK YOU!

06-12-2011, 08:44 AM	#18
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	I so agree - that was interesting Bio 101! I always assumed the fat was literally being chunked off and burned in lieu of any other energy source. I can most certainly tell that my "engine" is running on something different. Also, my weight is still down (156.2 so only up .4 from yesterday, when I was 162.2 on Thursday morning). I did not do well on any of my races this weekend (I finished, just not as well as usual or expected) but I am pleased that my body is reshaping and this isn't my "racing season" due to the heat, so it's okay if I don't post PRs right about now... which is why this is a good time to be messing with my diet WHILE racing! I am learning a lot more about fueling and my body than I ever knew just by doing HCG, which is interesting. I feel like it is so "stripped down" that I can tell right away what's working for me and what's not, rather than guessing which of the 383 foods I ate in the last 24 hours which is making me feel ___________ (name the feeling). I am actually thinking of doing kind of an "up" thing today. I am truly hungry, but right now trying to curb it a bit with some ACV in water. I think I might do a LC day with higher calories and then ride the no-hunger day that tomorrow will be since I won't be working out. Kinda zig-zag my calories, if that makes sense.... Thanks for all of the input!

06-12-2011, 10:26 AM	#19
metqa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 11,566 Gallery: metqa Stats: 145/139/135 WOE: restarting EFGT then a summer HCG round... Start Date: November 2003	I hope you at least had fun with your races. Your POV in the last post is really interesting. Will you come back and let us know how the zig-zagging works out for you?

06-12-2011, 01:35 PM	#20
raygun Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 8 Gallery: raygun	metqa, thanks so much for the clarification. i can usually only understand if it is drawn out on paper with cartoons. i certainly wish that i had the knowledge of the science instead of just the overall picture, but my tiny brain just doesn't work that way. thanks again for the info!

06-13-2011, 06:14 AM	#21
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	I did have fun at my races - I love racing, but I like placing higher better, LOL. But there is a lifetime of that ahead, God willing, and I won't look as bad in my tri-suit doing it, hopefully! I am up to 158.2 today after a day of indulgences yesterday. I tried to stay low carb, high fat, but I did get some carbs in there. No "real" sugar, though. Some beer. Today I plan on eating as little as possible, pushing some serious water, and drinking a few ACV elixirs as I believe that might be the "magic pill" since that seems to be the tiny missing puzzle piece to really feel control over my appetite. K

06-13-2011, 07:33 AM	#22
GME Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA Coast Posts: 6,724 Gallery: GME Stats: 250/175/175 And again...223/208.4/146 5'7 WOE: Misc. Start Date: April 2000 (the first time)	Please tell me about these ACV elixers. I need an elixer to help with my appetite too. (and a tri suit I think, but that is for another thread)

06-13-2011, 07:40 AM	#23
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	I saw your question in the other thread!! You are in a cold area, though, and I am in a warm one so I didn't think I could help. I don't have a tri suit per se; I wear a TYR bathingsuit with tri shorts. I want a tri-suit but they are SO costly and I haven't had the nerve to spend that money just yet!!! But my TYR suit is tight enough to keep the girls in good control on the run and I'm not small... I put a tablespoon of well-shaken ACV in a tall glass of cold water and drink it at about the rate you would drink a cup of coffee. It really curbs my appetite! What I've been doing is drinking that when I am feeling hunger come on. If the hunger cuts through the ACV then I admit I am hungry and eat. If it doesn't, then yay! It is also a diuretic so that's an added bonus... K

06-13-2011, 09:49 AM	#25
nurseypoo5 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Keller, TX Posts: 4,925 Gallery: nurseypoo5 Stats: 270/205.6/155 WOE: HHCG original plan Start Date: start 2001 obviously yoyo girl :(	you will pass out lol, promise. I almost did several times. I probably was eating 400 calories a day because i kept forgetting. I even had to shorten p2 by a couple of days because i couldnt take the dizziness. I will say that i did up it a bit and still my body was done. My mind was fine but my body said ENOUGH. If you want to do a longer set, my advise is to eat enough!

06-13-2011, 06:33 PM	#26
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	Gina - we are twins I am just learning about biking - I need a forum! I am very very frightened of the bike. VERY. I think you'll like tri-ing - I do very much. Still not too awesome at it, but I have enough fun to not care (yet - I'm very competitive). Let me know if you get the same effect of the ACV. I did put some stevia in mine today and . BUT weirdly, I can see how others might prefer it that way. Nursey - I do not want to pass out! I'm sorry that happened to you Today's result - I fasted (had a cup of coffee) until I could stand it no more - around noon. At that point I had an apple and something else (I swear I cannot remember!!). Pushed water, then got VERY hungry so I bought some cashews and ate about 8. I could not come up with anything else to eat "on the run" and I was wanting protein. For dinner I had a very small organic filet (grilled), some grilled fennel and some baby bella mushrooms (grilled) along with a salad (vinegar and salt for dressing). I am rogue in that I can't justify NOT mixing my veggies, but all in all it was a very low cal day. Let's see if I am still "in trouble" for my indulgences yesterday on tomorrow's weigh-in!! I sure suffered today - it's the hungriest I've been since I started this round. That, alone, is enough to keep me honest!! K

06-13-2011, 07:03 PM	#27
pinchy Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Gallery: pinchy	I'm not on HCG, just south beach dieting, but yes I agree my cravings are gone. Sometimes I have to be starving and let my tummy grumble before being able to eat. It is wonderful. Hubby was eating chips next to me today and chocolate and I was fine. Just had a slice of my bean brownies! :O

06-15-2011, 07:09 AM	#28
RunForYourLife Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,637 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 173/173/150 - 40YO, 5'7" WOE: hCG Start Date: Original start:2002 (-60 on LC) hCG REstart 6/7/11	Just updating - I am down to 156.8 today. Not as low as the 155 I saw on the scale over the weekend (which could also have included some dehydration) but moving in the right direction, for sure! That's 5.4 pounds since my first VLCD which was 6/9. Not bad since I am pretty close to goal weight in the first place! I'd like to lose another 11 pounds but I'd be happy to kiss the early 150s. K

06-15-2011, 10:48 AM	#29
Solstyce Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 218 Gallery: Solstyce Stats: 155/120.8/120 5'3.5" WOE: hHCG Start Date: June 5, 2011	This might sound silly, but is anyone afraid of having a heart attack or dying if they eat too little? I watched this episode of Dr. Oz, and one of the experts said that there were 17 cases back in Dr. Simeon's day of people who died of cardiac arrest. I am at the point where I can eat less than the 500 calories if I wanted to, but I am scared that it might kill me. Am I being ridiculous?

06-15-2011, 11:05 AM	#30
2011me Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Colorado Rockies Posts: 471 Gallery: 2011me WOE: RxHCGsq Start Date: 01.24.11	Hrmmm... always a scare tactic for almost anything... if one wants to find one. I am not a doc... but I would 'suspect' there were probably underlying conditions that would have contributed to the heart attacks. There are some who (for religious, or other reasons) fast for days, weeks... or more... obviously there would be less than 500 cals consumed there! jmho here tho...