P3 into P4 - Week of 06-06-11

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by catkin

Yesterday I ate HB eggs, tuna in oil with mayo, chicken breast & Romaine with EVOO and vinegar, drank 3 qts. of water, didn't eat past 6PM...

Question:
I had to take my OTC sleep pills 2 times (4 pills)because I couldn't fall sleep. It's the same ingredient as Benadryl. Could that be affecting my losses?

I just don't get it. Been eating clean for days.

I will try a steak day if I can make it to the store in time before work.

I looked it up and found that Benadryl can cause hunger and weight gain in some people. I have been hungry daily so I've been eating HB eggs. I had 7 yesterday! Maybe I have a food sensitivity ti eggs? *sigh*

Catkin, I take muscle relaxers, pain meds, and sleep aids once in awhile and all of them make me gain/retain....because it clogs up the liver, I think, in processing, and liver processes our fat - it's just the way the body metabolizes them I guess. If I know that's the case, and it can't be avoided, then I just keep my foods simple and familiar and ones I know don't make me gain - try to drink enough water - try to get enough rest - and then cut myself some slack if need be until it's metabolized out.

[C'Marie]

My weight was down .4 this morning, after my "hungry" day - today was my scheduled UP day because of a family gathering. But then I also came home and had a "snack" of 800 calories of yummy treats SF icecream and macadamia nuts LOL..... so my carbs and fat are high. I'm not sure I figured the calories right on some of the things I ate at the party, but I figure it's close. They were still all P3 foods - I'm sure the fried chicken had breading on the skin, but I really don't eat that anyways, if I got a little of it in one week prior to P4 I guess I'll be dealing with it, but I tried to pick it off best I could.

I really enjoyed myself tonight with the family and that's what's most important (along with having some good food choices available LOL)....

Here's my day's stats:

2,042

133.8 fat grams 58%

121.3 carb grams 23%

89.7 protein grams 18%

Steak day is at the ready tomorrow if need be, I finished my term of school today. I will be trying NOT to think at all tomorrow because I'm tired of thinking.

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Kelli, I never eat more than a half serving of starchy carbs - especially early in P4 - and I DO go easy on the fats that day. The words of Dr. S. keep ringing in my ear about fat being able to be eaten a little more liberally but adding in starch with fat and then there's problems keeps ringing in my ear - er, popping in front of my eyes (since I read it) - and I do it early in the day. There are other authors who say the same thing - eat starchy carbs early in the day, not at night, for alot of reasons. Gives your body time to process them, which is done better during the day.

So YES...

Ok, sounds like a plan, go easy on fats for the day that I indulge in starch. That may get a workout today as Mom and Dad are surprising me with lunch out to Cheesecake Factory. I'm thinking salad so I can have some cheesecake

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by KelliC

Ok, sounds like a plan, go easy on fats for the day that I indulge in starch. That may get a workout today as Mom and Dad are surprising me with lunch out to Cheesecake Factory. I'm thinking salad so I can have some cheesecake

Quite the surprise, eh? Cheesecake Factory also has a very decent no-sugar cheesecake. It's no White Chocolate Raspberry Truffle but it will do the trick, especially with a PILE of whipped cream on it...

[shelbyla]

And in other news...I am down another 1.2 pounds this morning to land me about a half pound below LDW. I haven't been below LDW in quite a while--2 weeks to be exact--so I'm happy to see with a correction day and a day of clean eating, that I can get back here. I AM technically in P4 so LOSING weight at this point below LDW shouldn't be an issue.

I am going to laser some wine today and see how that goes. I may also take Raven's thought and expand--laser some flour, sugar, artificial sweeteners, etc.--and see if lasering these takes away food sensitivities. I KNOW I have a food sensitivity to flour/wheat and it sure would be a blessing to not have to worry that every little thing has a smidge of flour. It's not Celiac so I don't think it's "genetic" but I know it causes all kinds of GI issues and of course the inevitable weight gain.

Off for a beautifying day with a good workout, a couple of doctor's appointments, and a movie night with one of my girlfriends--P2-friendly since she is about 2 weeks into her first round.

Later kids...

[Ravenj9]

Good Morning. I'm down another 1 lb this morning which puts me squarely in my window and only 1 lb above my LDW. It's so great to be back in my window again. Now I just have to stay there.

I think I will laser GY and Splenda today. There are so many SF things made with sucralose so hopefully this will help me when I eat out. I don't think I have a sensitivity to HWC because I've had some in my coffee these last 4 days that I've had a loss but I might laser it anyway to be safe. I also lasered some walnuts last night.

Have a great day!

[garnet10]

Still within my "new" window! I was up a lb yesterday to 130.4, but down 0.4 today to 130.0. I have only eaten one starchy thing per day but yesterday added in Marie's Ranch Veggie dip which contains sugar.

Since I've been stable with my granola (which contains brown sugar and honey) on D#4 of P4, I'm going to add another starch today. We're going out to dinner to an Italian restaurant tonight so I'm going to try pasta and skip the bread basket. Hopefully there will be no major effect tomorrow.

I'm happy beyond belief that this round I have been stable, although I did ultimately stabilize 3 pounds over my LDW. I still have, I think, 10 more pounds to lose (all on my thighs!), but I'm going to stick with P4 for a while, enjoy the ability to eat more variety before I return to the VLCD for hopefully my last round.

It's a new week starting tomorrow! Good luck all!

[C'Marie]

I am UP this morning - and doing a steak day. I am at 3 pounds above LIW and done with school, a week into my workouts, so it is time to get back in the driver's seat and not let this creeping up continue. I hope now that I'm slightly less busy I can make it to the office supply store and get me a laser.

Raven, I'm so glad you are back down! That SF stuff really does a number on me. Let me know how lasering it works. I'm starting with nuts, all almond products and coconut stuff just to get rolling. Then probably dairy -

[Labadorlover]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Lab-lover

Sweetie just take care of YOU. Pain meds suck but are necessary sometimes. So is weight gain from medical procedures or meds. Hoping you get some help and rest.

Thanks CMarie I am getting the rest. I have lost 3.5 pounds since comming home from hospital, I just don't have any appitite, I am living on protein bars cause I know I should be eating. After a review of my Hcg plan I see I go in P4 on Sunday. Oh how I dreamed of that., I want some beans, can you be leive that is #1 on my mind. Must be the drugs

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I am going to laser some wine today and see how that goes. I may also take Raven's thought and expand--laser some flour, sugar, artificial sweeteners, etc.--and see if lasering these takes away food sensitivities. I KNOW I have a food sensitivity to flour/wheat and it sure would be a blessing to not have to worry that every little thing has a smidge of flour. It's not Celiac so I don't think it's "genetic" but I know it causes all kinds of GI issues and of course the inevitable weight gain.

Let us know how that does. I know I'm sensitive to flour and sugar so If it helps you at all, I'm gonna learn how to laser me some flour and sugar

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Catkin, I take muscle relaxers, pain meds, and sleep aids once in awhile and all of them make me gain/retain....because it clogs up the liver, I think, in processing, and liver processes our fat - it's just the way the body metabolizes them I guess. If I know that's the case, and it can't be avoided, then I just keep my foods simple and familiar and ones I know don't make me gain - try to drink enough water - try to get enough rest - and then cut myself some slack if need be until it's metabolized out.

Thanks, Marie. I will stop them--now that I'm stocked up on them I got some valerian today but the dosage is confusing...2 caps 2 to 3 times a day...I'll try them out tonight and see

[catkin]

Originally Posted by garnet10

Still within my "new" window! I was up a lb yesterday to 130.4, but down 0.4 today to 130.0. I have only eaten one starchy thing per day but yesterday added in Marie's Ranch Veggie dip which contains sugar.

Since I've been stable with my granola (which contains brown sugar and honey) on D#4 of P4, I'm going to add another starch today. We're going out to dinner to an Italian restaurant tonight so I'm going to try pasta and skip the bread basket. Hopefully there will be no major effect tomorrow.

I'm happy beyond belief that this round I have been stable, although I did ultimately stabilize 3 pounds over my LDW. I still have, I think, 10 more pounds to lose (all on my thighs!), but I'm going to stick with P4 for a while, enjoy the ability to eat more variety before I return to the VLCD for hopefully my last round.

It's a new week starting tomorrow! Good luck all!

I'm following your lead--my new LDW is now 145 instead of 142 A week of clean eating has not brought down my restaurant gains. Gimme a break.

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by catkin

Thanks, Marie. I will stop them--now that I'm stocked up on them I got some valerian today but the dosage is confusing...2 caps 2 to 3 times a day...I'll try them out tonight and see

ACK - I wasn't telling you to stop them - just telling you my experience with the morning weigh-in when I do, since I notice a pattern of gain - and then I was reading something about how they stress the liver in metabolizing them and the liver can't burn fat AND metabolize medicine very efficiently at the same time, and the first thing it always gives up is fat burning - thus a temporary "hold" on burning may occur with medication. But sometimes you just gotta SLEEP! Dangit!

[Stampe63]

WOOF! Up 2.4 pounds today, but I was on a party yesterday and got stuffed with all kind of bad things so Im not that worried, it will go away tomorrow. Thankfully my stats seems very predictable after P2-P3, and the training seems to do stuff too

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Quite the surprise, eh? Cheesecake Factory also has a very decent no-sugar cheesecake. It's no White Chocolate Raspberry Truffle but it will do the trick, especially with a PILE of whipped cream on it...

lol, It was one of those surprises that got leaked to me by my dd I had a Flax brownie (made with xylitol) for breakfast--and coffee with 1/2 and /12 of course--- at Cheesecake Factory I had the lunch cobb salad with bleu cheese dressing and somwhere in the neighborhood of 1/3 of a reese's cheesecake cake, and a slice of their bread as appetizer. Dinner last night was 3 pinapple spears and 1/2 c cottage cheese. The scale showed no gain. HHmm wondering if I balanced it well or if it'll show up tomorrow

they had a couple of low carb options on the dessert menu, but I was out to see how some "real" dessert would affect me. Hubby ate the rest of the reese cake

[moonriver]

Well.....holding the same, thankfully. 1 lb above LDW. Not bad.

Interesting, I lost another half inch on my hips ------ANGELS SINGING HALLELUJAH HERE-----------while on P3!!!

Waist is up 1/2 inch, but that is TOM hovering. I usually swell up like a beach ball

Much easier than I had thought it might be to maintain.

[paulabob]

I'm same as yesterday. There isn't much wiggle room, .6 below top of window.

[shelbyla]

Hi everyone! Another clean day, another 0.5 down, and I am below LDW by over a pound now. I am guessing it would probably be more but that extra large helping of beef and cabbage that I ate around 8pm last night is still hanging with me!

I think I am officially calling this P3 a "re-do", starting over with lots of good fats and fatty proteins, and eventually adding back in stuff like nuts, dairy, and higher GI fruits. I'm not sure where I got off on the wrong foot this time around but since I will be P3/P4'ing it until July 23rd, I have a little time to play around with some more stabilization. That sounds kinda odd, huh? Since I am technically in P4 now, I suppose losing a bit at this point wouldn't hurt either but I REALLY want that cushion before I start messing around with nuts and dairy again. I may laser some GY again today because that is the first thing I really want to try (again) next week since it's such a convenient afternoon snack. As C'Marie advises, one thing at a time, half portions, 2 days in a row... (see? I DO listen sometimes... ) Hey, if it works for P4, it should work for P3, right?

Off for a workout and a tasty massage later. Have a wonderful day everyone.

[Ravenj9]

I'm up .8 this morning. Not sure why but I'm still inside my window (just barely). Maybe it was the exercise but I only did 30 minutes on the treadmill (with a level 3 incline). Hopefully I will go back down tomorrow or at least not go up anymore.

[C'Marie]

And, after a half-hearted attempt at a steak day yesterday I'm UP some more... sheesh... need to take my own dang advice!

I did 2 chicken drumsticks at about 2 pm - then a decent helping but not giantish steak at 5:30-6 -- then an apple and 2 slices of cheddar cheese at 10:30 -

no loss - in fact up .2

Not enough water for sure, and too much salt - I LOVE SALT - and I can def feel it in my fingers and toes. I tweaked my hip somehow on Friday night I think and I am hobbling so I took a muscle relaxer and a sleepaid to sleep last night. Might be part of it, I dunno. So today I have to help my mom pack up and I am just going to do eggs, protein, and salad today and see where that lands me tomorrow. I am at 3.2 above LIW at this point, no visit from Berniece in a couple days, and I will flush water as much as I can today.....

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Not enough water for sure, and too much salt - I LOVE SALT -

ME TOOO!!!!!

I just cooked the tastiest rib eye on the grill, with sage and chives from my little herb garden on the back deck. MMMMMMMM! I'm a happy girl for a little while at least

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Not enough water for sure, and too much salt - I LOVE SALT - and I can def feel it in my fingers and toes. I tweaked my hip somehow on Friday night I think and I am hobbling so I took a muscle relaxer and a sleepaid to sleep last night. Might be part of it, I dunno. So today I have to help my mom pack up and I am just going to do eggs, protein, and salad today and see where that lands me tomorrow. I am at 3.2 above LIW at this point, no visit from Berniece in a couple days, and I will flush water as much as I can today.....

Hey Marie - have you tried switching to Celtic Sea Salt? I love salt too but the regular table salt or even "sea salt" from the grocery really messes with me. I don't seem to have that issue with the Celtic. Might be worth picking some up. I love the taste and make all my own salt blends (garlic, seasoned, etc.) now because I can't stand the thought of eating regular salt!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

And, after a half-hearted attempt at a steak day yesterday I'm UP some more... sheesh... need to take my own dang advice!

I did 2 chicken drumsticks at about 2 pm - then a decent helping but not giantish steak at 5:30-6 -- then an apple and 2 slices of cheddar cheese at 10:30 -

no loss - in fact up .2

Not enough water for sure, and too much salt - I LOVE SALT - and I can def feel it in my fingers and toes. I tweaked my hip somehow on Friday night I think and I am hobbling so I took a muscle relaxer and a sleepaid to sleep last night. Might be part of it, I dunno. So today I have to help my mom pack up and I am just going to do eggs, protein, and salad today and see where that lands me tomorrow. I am at 3.2 above LIW at this point, no visit from Berniece in a couple days, and I will flush water as much as I can today.....

CMarie

Why the cheese? In P&I he tells us a steak day is just that steak with either a tomato or an apple. You do the cheese if you are having edema, not if you need a steak day due to being out of your window for a few days. Hmmmm, me thinks it is the chicken and cheese you ate on your "steak day". Maybe you should consider yourself with a 3 lb window. I will be giving myself a bigger window for P3/P4 than that silly little 2 lbs. it can make you crazy. And that crazy/worry is not good for your weight either.

[shelbyla]

Ok so I just have to share this. I did my usual baked chicken thighs this evening except I baked them on the pan that had leftover bacon drippings from the bacon that I had baked this earlier today. O.M.G. yum. Just extra tasty!

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by catkin

I'm following your lead--my new LDW is now 145 instead of 142 A week of clean eating has not brought down my restaurant gains. Gimme a break.

Catkin, it's interesting that sometimes even eating strict P3 does not work for me, either, but I shouldn't really be surprised, because when I was doing Atkins and kickboxing 3 times a week before I found the hCG diet, I couldn't lose an ounce, and was actually steadily gaining (noted after age 39). That I managed to hover between 128 and 130 during this P3, for me, is really a miracle.

We ate out last night--I had a small piece of foccacia bread, homemade artichoke ravioli in a cream sauce, and then I ate a cannoli. First of all, I had no intention of eating any bread or dessert, but I was weak. And then I finished my ravioli, when I really should have just taken the rest home. So this morning, I was up 1.6 lbs No surprise, really, because I felt totally bloated after dinner.

So today was a Greek Yogurt correction day, which I enjoy, anyway, so it just seems wrong!

I'm really amazed at how sensitive my body is--how extraordinarily careful I have to be not to gain weight. I really do hope, as time goes by, that my food intake and the morning scale will not be the all-consuming venture that it is presently.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by catkin

Thanks, Marie. I will stop them--now that I'm stocked up on them I got some valerian today but the dosage is confusing...2 caps 2 to 3 times a day...I'll try them out tonight and see

Well, the valerian worked for 2 hours then nuthin. I caved at 1am and took my OTC stuff cuz I need my sleep for work.

I'll try the valerian again tonight and see what happens.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

ACK - I wasn't telling you to stop them - just telling you my experience with the morning weigh-in when I do, since I notice a pattern of gain - and then I was reading something about how they stress the liver in metabolizing them and the liver can't burn fat AND metabolize medicine very efficiently at the same time, and the first thing it always gives up is fat burning - thus a temporary "hold" on burning may occur with medication. But sometimes you just gotta SLEEP! Dangit!

It's okay! I'd been planning on stopping for some time now just for general principles! I finally remembered to get the valerian.
I don't want to screw up my liver, I don't even drink
Does milk thistle help detox the liver? I ordered some for movement...:blush:

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Stampe63

WOOF! Up 2.4 pounds today, but I was on a party yesterday and got stuffed with all kind of bad things so Im not that worried, it will go away tomorrow. Thankfully my stats seems very predictable after P2-P3, and the training seems to do stuff too

You're amazing, Bjorn.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

And, after a half-hearted attempt at a steak day yesterday I'm UP some more... sheesh... need to take my own dang advice!

I did 2 chicken drumsticks at about 2 pm - then a decent helping but not giantish steak at 5:30-6 -- then an apple and 2 slices of cheddar cheese at 10:30 -

no loss - in fact up .2

Not enough water for sure, and too much salt - I LOVE SALT - and I can def feel it in my fingers and toes. I tweaked my hip somehow on Friday night I think and I am hobbling so I took a muscle relaxer and a sleepaid to sleep last night. Might be part of it, I dunno. So today I have to help my mom pack up and I am just going to do eggs, protein, and salad today and see where that lands me tomorrow. I am at 3.2 above LIW at this point, no visit from Berniece in a couple days, and I will flush water as much as I can today.....

It's enough to piss a person off.
Have you used Celtic sea salt?

[catkin]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

CMarie

Why the cheese? In P&I he tells us a steak day is just that steak with either a tomato or an apple. You do the cheese if you are having edema, not if you need a steak day due to being out of your window for a few days. Hmmmm, me thinks it is the chicken and cheese you ate on your "steak day". Maybe you should consider yourself with a 3 lb window. I will be giving myself a bigger window for P3/P4 than that silly little 2 lbs. it can make you crazy. And that crazy/worry is not good for your weight either.

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