P3 into P4 - Week of 5-30-11

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Labadorlover

I I used almond flour on tilapia and sauted it in Tbls of EVOO wow was that ever good, going to have it for lunch today too.
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I've found that my family loves almond flour "breading" so much that that is now how we cook all chicken, fish, pork chops, and I'm going to try some country fried steak next week

How does the almond meal hold up after all the frying? Does it stick to the meat throughout the process and do you use any egg?

Thanks! I'd love to get DH hooked on it--especially fried chicken.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I'm up 0.2 to EXACTLY 2 pounds above my LIW. Still very very small output, certainly not in relation to the volume I've been consuming. Going to get some magnesium in me. Today is just clean as I can get it since I'm on the verge of having to do a correction.

I did do CAD yesterday Catkin, I'm trying it out even in P3 because there are higher carb items that aren't sugar/starch - fruit, GY, avocado - that aren't on the CM list so I'm using them for my RM's instead. We'll see. I know for sure it'll be useful when on P4.

Sorry to hear you're back up, Raven. I spent one whole round like that, up, down, up down up down.... frustrating. Better to fight the battle, though, than give up.

I think we all need to get that laser-thingy done on almonds and almond flour! Ugh! It's so versatile in recipes - and I def need the variety.

Has anyone else been suspicious of SF items making their weight jump? or is it just me!? SF chocolate and SF Clemmy's ice cream - I am really wondering. I think I should get some strips that measure blood sugar or something when I eat those.

Thanks for that, Marie! Here's hoping you ace the plan! I have the CALP book--got it years ago-- I should take the time to read it! I also have another one by the Hellers. It's The Carbohydrate Addict's Healthy Heart Program--haven't even cracked that one! :blush:
I don't eat the SF stuff--I've looked for it but haven't found any, it's probably just as well.
Last P3 I made my own ice cream one time. I put frozen unsweetened strawberries, liquid stevia, vanilla extract and HWC in my Ninja blender and pulsed it a few times--instant ice cream! It was so delicious! You could for sure do lots of other flavors this way. Love the Ninja! It has held up so well. I got mine at Wally's.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Ravenj9

Garnet, it seems like we are in a very similar situation except I kicked TOM to the curb last year with surgery. I am supposed to have one more week of P3 as well but I don't think I'm stable enough to go into P4 so I will wait at least one more week.

I'm also supposed to do 5 weeks of P4 since I'm doing injections but I would like to do one more round before I go on vacation the second week in August. I would definitely like to be down another 10-15 lbs and well into P3 for vacation so I will probably reduce my P4 by a few days.

I'm glad you told me about the almond flour. I will not try it again until P4 and even then I may just use it as a coating for meat instead of making pancakes.

Raven, you're such a trooper and such a nice lady. I hope things go your way soon!

[C'Marie]

This is how my day ended up :
1,462 cals
101.0 fat g 59%
57.1 carb g 14%
97.5 protein g 27%

Tried to keep it lighter - but I was in class and had to eat to stay focused ..... LOL
and still had 3 small pieces of sf chocolate.

We will see tomorrow! Steak day at the ready if need be!

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by catkin

How does the almond meal hold up after all the frying? Does it stick to the meat throughout the process and do you use any egg?

Thanks! I'd love to get DH hooked on it--especially fried chicken.

I've fried in butter and in EVOO. We like the butter better--go figure. lol Everything is better with butter I don't measure so these are guesstimates. For 2 large chicken breasts cut into 4 pieces, I used about 1/3 - 1/2 c almond flour (some almond flour actually has rice flour or wheat flour mixed in so double check) maybe a teaspoon or 2 of chili powder, and a few dashes of onion powder, garlic salt and pepper in a gallon ziplock. I also did pound my chicken but it was still rather thick. Shake one piece of chicken at a time and place in hot skillet with about 2 - 4 tbs butter. I just turned mine as they began to get really golden and then finished them up in a 350 degree oven for about 15 -20 min. The breading stays on very well. I used the same breading mix for the fish but it's so thin there was no need to finish in the oven. This is way more flavorful than using all purpose flour! I'll post how the country fried steak turns out when I do it. For that I'll try an egg/milk wash between coatings of almond flour

[NeekoM]

Ugh - up another pound today! I'm going to try an egg day since I have no idea what time I would be home tonight to cook and eat the steak. I'm really hoping this works and I can get this past weekend behind me and start stabilizing again.

[shelbyla]

Chipping away at the weekend weight gain to hit right at 0.5 above LDW this morning. Isn't it amazing that even if you eat all P3 foods, your body still holds on to it like nobody's business??? I really DO think I have issues with nuts (stop laughing--you know what I mean! ) because other than an excess of food this weekend, that's really all the questionable food that I had. And even if I did have too much booze on Saturday night, a 4.2 pound gain in one day should be telling me something! Of course Aunt Flo showed up too which doesn't really help matters, although I am not usually one to gain during TOM so ? Anywho, pressing on with clean livin' today. Chicken, avocados, scallops, berries, grapefruit, veggies--all good stuff that should see me back to LDW tomorrow if not below. Have a great day all!

[catkin]

Up one pound today. Could be eating too late or lack of Bernice since starting P3. My eating is clean so I will push the fluids and carry on!

Have a good day!

[Labadorlover]

Originally Posted by catkin

How does the almond meal hold up after all the frying? Does it stick to the meat throughout the process and do you use any egg?

Thanks! I'd love to get DH hooked on it--especially fried chicken.

I have only done this 2 Xs once with egg white 1st then in the Almond Flour and once just coating with the A. F. The results were the same. Crispy outside and moist inside. My DH loves it, we both had it last night.

KelliC has more options. WOW sounds good, might have C.F. Steak tonight, DH's favorite meal. Mine too but I won't have the mashed w/gravey, he will. Be interesting to see how gravy comes out with the AF.

I am so sorry so many are having trouble with P3 I feel gulty stating my stats.
I seem to be leaving off at 258.6 my lowest weight on P2 I will take that happyly. But I am in 2nd week so we will see if it hangs in there. I sure hope so.

I think that accountability of reporting and weighing everyday seems to be key in this. I did the mug cake again last night, and was scared as heck to get on scales this am. After all 3 T. of oil. REALLY! Yup but I will still watch for next 3 days cause we all know it sneaks up on ya!

[C'Marie]

Ok, this is ridiculous. It's gotta be sensitivity to the SF chocolate. I'm up again, almost a pound on not even 1500 calories. And still no visit from Berniece. I'm way out of my window. I need to do a correction day, but frankly, I'm afraid to add a big old hunk of steak to my body right now if it's not eliminating what's in there. Should I do an egg day (don't like them that much!!! and need to be able to stomach eating them every day like I usually do) or a GY day instead? Or soldier on and hope a steak day is ok?

labadorlover, never be afraid to post your stats! We need to see SOMEONE stabilizing LOL....

Obviously, I'm not eating anything SF for a long time after this. So not worth it!

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by catkin

Thanks for that, Marie! Here's hoping you ace the plan! I have the CALP book--got it years ago-- I should take the time to read it! I also have another one by the Hellers. It's The Carbohydrate Addict's Healthy Heart Program--haven't even cracked that one! :blush:
I don't eat the SF stuff--I've looked for it but haven't found any, it's probably just as well.
Last P3 I made my own ice cream one time. I put frozen unsweetened strawberries, liquid stevia, vanilla extract and HWC in my Ninja blender and pulsed it a few times--instant ice cream! It was so delicious! You could for sure do lots of other flavors this way. Love the Ninja! It has held up so well. I got mine at Wally's.

Just to let you know, catkin, I'm up again - the only plus I've seen so far with implementing the CAD during P3 is I'm definitely more full during the day, segregating the higher-carb veggies/fruits/nuts into one RM of 60 minutes or less - I can tell a difference there with no hungries 2 hours after eating.

As to why I'm still going UP in weight, I don't know why that would be if I'm adhering to CAD. And no starches/sugars just like our P3 should be. Doing a correction day today. The jury's still out. I will do the CAD clear into P4, though - I have to give it a chance with the tough stuff. If it controls insulin surges, that alone may be worth it.

[Ravenj9]

Originally Posted by catkin

Raven, you're such a trooper and such a nice lady. I hope things go your way soon!

Thanks Catkin!


I'm down 1 lb to 146.8 so I'm still .4 above my window and 2.4 above my LDW. I'm eating a lot of protein again today to see if I can get back down to LDW. If not, I guess I will have to do another correction day or try the steak, egg, and cheese day again.

[garnet10]

Ugh. Today I am back up 1.8 pounds to 130.8. Really? What gives. I only ate protein and fat yesterday. Ah well. Today I am trying Dawnyama's protein shake correction day. Never thought I'd see the day when I would down raw eggs, but I did it. I used organic eggs so hopefully the risk of salmonella is less! I'm going to stock my refrigerator for my next correction day, which will probably be in two days!

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I think we all need to get that laser-thingy done on almonds and almond flour! Ugh! It's so versatile in recipes - and I def need the variety.

Has anyone else been suspicious of SF items making their weight jump? or is it just me!? SF chocolate and SF Clemmy's ice cream - I am really wondering. I think I should get some strips that measure blood sugar or something when I eat those.

C'Marie, I just purchased a laser thingy from Amazon. So we'll see how that goes! I "think" that sugar free chocolate and perhaps other items with sugar alcohols may be a problem because when I was doing Atkins, if I had something sweetened with erythritol or maltitol I never showed ketones in my urine. So, at least for me, I think these things act more like a carb. Of course I'm not sure, but it's just a thought.

Originally Posted by Ravenj9

Garnet, it seems like we are in a very similar situation except I kicked TOM to the curb last year with surgery. I am supposed to have one more week of P3 as well but I don't think I'm stable enough to go into P4 so I will wait at least one more week.

I'm also supposed to do 5 weeks of P4 since I'm doing injections but I would like to do one more round before I go on vacation the second week in August. I would definitely like to be down another 10-15 lbs and well into P3 for vacation so I will probably reduce my P4 by a few days.

Oh, I wanted to be down further as well before vacation! I hope this works out for you. But I'm actually working on my thyroid/adrenals, so I think I'm going to try to just be stable at this weight (after buying all those clothes ) and then go for it after these glands are more stable.

Originally Posted by catkin

Last P3 I made my own ice cream one time. I put frozen unsweetened strawberries, liquid stevia, vanilla extract and HWC in my Ninja blender and pulsed it a few times--instant ice cream! It was so delicious! You could for sure do lots of other flavors this way. Love the Ninja! It has held up so well. I got mine at Wally's.

Catkin, that sounds great! If only I was not on my "alternate day correction day" I would try that!!

[KelliC]

I'm p4 but mostly eating like p3. I've had a little bread here and there and a couple ( I mean literally 2) french fries. I'm fairly stable at 144.6 My ldw was 145.6 but I've gotten attatched to the 144.6 and am scared to add anything and make it go away I've bounced up occasionally in the last week up to 145.6 but it tends to come down with lots of water and some ACV. TOM is expected at any time so I want to hold of on adding much until it's over as i think that will give me a more accurate weight reading. Plus my dd and I are having severe seasonal allergies and that may be causing something-- my face and eyes feel puffy. It seems like TOM makes my weight slightly unstable for about 2 weeks. I feel somewhat dumb being this worried about it:blush: but I never thought I'd be able to lose any weight,so I sure don't want to lose that 15 lb again!
BTW: I'm putting in my very first Netrition order this weekend-- any suggestions? I do a lot of cooking from scratch, my family is used to a lot of baked goods (they are soooo in withdrawl, and are very attatched to the xylitol/flax brownies )so I thought I'd try carbquik and carbalose as well as some flavored protein powder as I like shakes for breakfast or lunch sometimes

[catkin]

Originally Posted by KelliC

I've fried in butter and in EVOO. We like the butter better--go figure. lol Everything is better with butter I don't measure so these are guesstimates. For 2 large chicken breasts cut into 4 pieces, I used about 1/3 - 1/2 c almond flour (some almond flour actually has rice flour or wheat flour mixed in so double check) maybe a teaspoon or 2 of chili powder, and a few dashes of onion powder, garlic salt and pepper in a gallon ziplock. I also did pound my chicken but it was still rather thick. Shake one piece of chicken at a time and place in hot skillet with about 2 - 4 tbs butter. I just turned mine as they began to get really golden and then finished them up in a 350 degree oven for about 15 -20 min. The breading stays on very well. I used the same breading mix for the fish but it's so thin there was no need to finish in the oven. This is way more flavorful than using all purpose flour! I'll post how the country fried steak turns out when I do it. For that I'll try an egg/milk wash between coatings of almond flour

Thanks KelliC, I will try this when I get to P4.

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Labadorlover

I have only done this 2 Xs once with egg white 1st then in the Almond Flour and once just coating with the A. F. The results were the same. Crispy outside and moist inside. My DH loves it, we both had it last night.

KelliC has more options. WOW sounds good, might have C.F. Steak tonight, DH's favorite meal. Mine too but I won't have the mashed w/gravey, he will. Be interesting to see how gravy comes out with the AF.

I am so sorry so many are having trouble with P3 I feel gulty stating my stats.
I seem to be leaving off at 258.6 my lowest weight on P2 I will take that happyly. But I am in 2nd week so we will see if it hangs in there. I sure hope so.

I think that accountability of reporting and weighing everyday seems to be key in this. I did the mug cake again last night, and was scared as heck to get on scales this am. After all 3 T. of oil. REALLY! Yup but I will still watch for next 3 days cause we all know it sneaks up on ya!

Thanks LL!
Yep, it's the spuds and gravy that he loves the most! Almond flour and chicken fat gravy? Let us know how that turns out!

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Just to let you know, catkin, I'm up again - the only plus I've seen so far with implementing the CAD during P3 is I'm definitely more full during the day, segregating the higher-carb veggies/fruits/nuts into one RM of 60 minutes or less - I can tell a difference there with no hungries 2 hours after eating.

As to why I'm still going UP in weight, I don't know why that would be if I'm adhering to CAD. And no starches/sugars just like our P3 should be. Doing a correction day today. The jury's still out. I will do the CAD clear into P4, though - I have to give it a chance with the tough stuff. If it controls insulin surges, that alone may be worth it.

Dammit, Jim! We'll get it figured out

Perhaps the ghost of Dr. Simeons is jealous of the Dr.s Heller

[catkin]

Originally Posted by Ravenj9

Thanks Catkin!


I'm down 1 lb to 146.8 so I'm still .4 above my window and 2.4 above my LDW. I'm eating a lot of protein again today to see if I can get back down to LDW. If not, I guess I will have to do another correction day or try the steak, egg, and cheese day again.

Anytime!

[catkin]

Originally Posted by garnet10

Ugh. Today I am back up 1.8 pounds to 130.8. Really? What gives. I only ate protein and fat yesterday. Ah well. Today I am trying Dawnyama's protein shake correction day. Never thought I'd see the day when I would down raw eggs, but I did it. I used organic eggs so hopefully the risk of salmonella is less! I'm going to stock my refrigerator for my next correction day, which will probably be in two days!



C'Marie, I just purchased a laser thingy from Amazon. So we'll see how that goes! I "think" that sugar free chocolate and perhaps other items with sugar alcohols may be a problem because when I was doing Atkins, if I had something sweetened with erythritol or maltitol I never showed ketones in my urine. So, at least for me, I think these things act more like a carb. Of course I'm not sure, but it's just a thought.



Oh, I wanted to be down further as well before vacation! I hope this works out for you. But I'm actually working on my thyroid/adrenals, so I think I'm going to try to just be stable at this weight (after buying all those clothes ) and then go for it after these glands are more stable.



Catkin, that sounds great! If only I was not on my "alternate day correction day" I would try that!!

It's only water---that's what I tell myself!

Toward the end of my R1P3, I raised my window by 3 or 4 pounds I think it was---I did this to save my sanity. Worked for me! Then toward the end, I miraculously squeaked back inside my original window.

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by catkin

Dammit, Jim! We'll get it figured out

Perhaps the ghost of Dr. Simeons is jealous of the Dr.s Heller

Ha! Funny you mention that - I had that fleeting thought myself.

[shelbyla]

Wow! Am I the first one up this morning??? Well, not quite back to LDW but can't tell if it's because TOM is here or not. Since I am having a lot of seafood today, I am going to have some some additional fats and increase calories a tad--just to see what happens. It's whitefish, asparagus and girlie shows night tonight at my house. I've got one P2'er coming over, I'm in P3, and my other friend is in P4! Yes, we're ALL doing hcg!

Have a great day everyone!

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by catkin

It's only water---that's what I tell myself!

Toward the end of my R1P3, I raised my window by 3 or 4 pounds I think it was---I did this to save my sanity. Worked for me! Then toward the end, I miraculously squeaked back inside my original window.

That darn water! I may have to raise my window as well if I have to do a correction day every other day--after a while it just seems so unhealthy to eat that way over and over! I would like to add vegetables back in!

Well today I am down 2.2 lbs. after Dawnyama's protein shake correction day. Today I am 128.6 (just 0.6 pounds within my present window). I must say, those three shakes were VERY filling and this is my most successful correction loss ever. Plus, I didn't start feeling sick of eggs like I do on an egg correction day (with the bit of stomach upset I get from eggs), nor did I get the tight stomach feeling I get from eating all the yogurt on the GY correction day. So this one's a keeper!

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Wow! Am I the first one up this morning??? Well, not quite back to LDW but can't tell if it's because TOM is here or not. Since I am having a lot of seafood today, I am going to have some some additional fats and increase calories a tad--just to see what happens. It's whitefish, asparagus and girlie shows night tonight at my house. I've got one P2'er coming over, I'm in P3, and my other friend is in P4! Yes, we're ALL doing hcg!

Have a great day everyone!

Oh I wish I had friends locally doing this diet as well! Enjoy your night and I hope you see the numbers you'd prefer to see tomorrow morning!

[catkin]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Ha! Funny you mention that - I had that fleeting thought myself.

Have you tried cocoa crack instead of commercial SF chocolate?

[catkin]

Originally Posted by garnet10

That darn water! I may have to raise my window as well if I have to do a correction day every other day--after a while it just seems so unhealthy to eat that way over and over! I would like to add vegetables back in!

Well today I am down 2.2 lbs. after Dawnyama's protein shake correction day. Today I am 128.6 (just 0.6 pounds within my present window). I must say, those three shakes were VERY filling and this is my most successful correction loss ever. Plus, I didn't start feeling sick of eggs like I do on an egg correction day (with the bit of stomach upset I get from eggs), nor did I get the tight stomach feeling I get from eating all the yogurt on the GY correction day. So this one's a keeper!

Oh I wish I had friends locally doing this diet as well! Enjoy your night and I hope you see the numbers you'd prefer to see tomorrow morning!

That's great! What were the ingredients in the shake?

[catkin]

Work it, Shelby!

R2P3D3 and I'm back down today. Had a Berniece free for all yesterday afternoon and last evening and am only .2 above my LDW.

Taking tuna, mayo, dill relish, HB eggs, avocado, fresh lemon, grapefruits and strawberries for lunch today. Oh and water and tea!

[KelliC]

I know some of the shakes have an egg in them---I have trouble with the idea of that, can you tell it's in there?

[C'Marie]

Well, my visits from Berniece and my steak day yesterday dropped me within 0.2 of my LIW so I'm a happy camper this morning. I am swearing off the sugar alcohols for about a week to see what happens. It's weird, because I didn't even overeat them - 3 small pieces? really!? sheesh.... that or the broccoli spears! or both - confused - but oh well.

Goes to show you, you don't always "deserve" a steak day, but at least it works as good as it does when you do it THE DAY you go up to 2.2 -- I didn't have as drastic a loss as some people do, probably because I really like my SALT on steak!

Back at it today. going to do CAD-style P3 still and see what happens now that I've gotten rid of the SF stuff.

I'd love to try to make the cocoa crack again, but I'm out of coconut oil! Drat! Does someone want to share a favorite recipe?

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by catkin

That's great! What were the ingredients in the shake?

I copied the protein shake correction day from Dawnyama on the P3 thread:

A cup of unsweetened almond milk
2 eggs
A scoop of whey protein powder (I used Jay Robb's unflavored)
I added 1 Tbsp unsweetened cocoa powder
I added 3 to 4 packets of Truvia and 6 ice cubes to blend

You are supposed to have one for breakfast and one for lunch and then a shake for dinner without the eggs.

Originally Posted by catkin

Had a Berniece free for all yesterday afternoon and last evening and am only .2 above my LDW.

"A Berniece free for all" That just killed me!

Originally Posted by KelliC

I know some of the shakes have an egg in them---I have trouble with the idea of that, can you tell it's in there?

KelliC, I mentally had a problem with it, but once everything blended together with the ice cubes, it tasted pretty decent and was filling, and I couldn't tell the eggs were in there.

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Well, my visits from Berniece and my steak day yesterday dropped me within 0.2 of my LIW so I'm a happy camper this morning. I am swearing off the sugar alcohols for about a week to see what happens. It's weird, because I didn't even overeat them - 3 small pieces? really!? sheesh.... that or the broccoli spears! or both - confused - but oh well.

C'Marie, 3 pieces of SF chocolate shouldn't make anyone gain--there is probably no good reason. I keep gaining on protein and fat! I'm already prepared for my likely next correction day tomorrow.

[Ravenj9]

Originally Posted by garnet10

That darn water! I may have to raise my window as well if I have to do a correction day every other day--after a while it just seems so unhealthy to eat that way over and over! I would like to add vegetables back in!

I was thinking the same thing. I'm getting a little worn out from correction days. I think I will also have to stop using the SF syrups. The syrups have Splenda in them and I had already stopped using Splenda except for the SF syrups I use in my coffee and my GY. I hadn't even thought about this until C'Marie mentioned that this might be an issue. I can do without it if it's causing me not to stabilize.

I was up another .4 today which is not bad by itself but since I was already .4 above my window this is not good. I've already had my coffee with the SF syrup this morning so I'll probably be up again tomorrow. Starting tomorrow I will cut out the SF syrups and see if that helps.

[NeekoM]

Egg day worked - down 2 pounds this morning! Still 0.5 above the window so I may end up with another correction tomorrow. I think it will be a steak day this time. I did get a visit from TOM yesterday that would explain why my gains seemed out of proportion with my cheats.

I have a computer illiteracy question for you all...how do you post multiple quotes in your reply? I tried for quite awhile last night and can NOT figure it out !