Share your HHCG rogue/alternative plan here

[mermaid]

Deb294ever has started a great ongoing weekly thread for those of us who do not strictly adhere to the Simeon Protocol, but do use HCG (either Rx or homeopathic) to help us reach our weight loss goals. That thread has been awesome for support and sharing ideas, but it moves along pretty fast and there is so much variation in plans, that it's hard for newcomers to figure out what the heck we're doing.

This thread is for us to be able to share the plan we have worked out with others, ask and answer questions about those plans, etc. It is just fine to refer people to your LCF journal for more details about what you are doing. And once you lay out your plan on this thread, you can then use the link to refer people to that. I think it will help a lot with the flow of information.

An excellent start for anyone interested in HCG would be to read the original Simeon Protocol, Pounds and Inches:
http://www.hcgbodyshaper.com/simeon.pdf


Once you have done your homework and you are interested in further tailoring a plan to suit your body and lifestyle, then here is where you can learn what others are doing. Good luck on your weight loss journey!

Oh, and here are some rogue/alternative recipes:
HCG P2 Rogue Recipes

[PiDevil]

Thanks for the thread, Mermaid!

My 'rogue' plan -

-1 fruit per day (at night) either apple or strawberries
- mix veggies and eat non-starchy veggies not on the list (broccoli, green beans, etc)
- my veggie portions may be larger than recommended
- my protein portions exceed 3.5 oz
- eat lean beef daily
- eat a protein snack such as sliced meats or hb egg as an afternoon snack
- my calories run from 650 to 700/day

I lost 13 post-load lbs in R1 and am on VLCD Day 4 of R2.

[mermaid]

I have worked up a template that might help cover all the information a newcomer might like to have about your plan. Feel free to use it, or not. Just whatever you would like to share!

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
What is your basic plan?
What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?
Why do you follow that particular plan?
How is that working for you?
Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?

[Kateenie]

My Rogue Plan:

--Calories range from 500-900
--No fruit
--No grissini
--I mix veggies, but mostly eat salads
--Beef frequently (almost daily)
--Whole eggs - 2 to 3 as a meal.
--1+ TBS of real salad dressing (homemade ranch or 1000 Island) at each meal.
--I use all my lotions/soaps, etc.
--Larger protein servings, anywhere from 4 to 6 ounces.
--I eat dark meat chicken occasionally
--I eat pork loin.
--I eat occasional salmon.

I use calories as my big picture, eating pretty much whatever protein I want and just accounting for calories. If I do eat salmon for dinner, then lunch will be a very low-calorie protein like shrimp, fish, or chicken breast.

[PiDevil]

Originally Posted by mermaid

I have worked up a template that might help cover all the information a newcomer might like to have about your plan. Feel free to use it, or not. Just whatever you would like to share!

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
What is your basic plan?
What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?
Why do you follow that particular plan?
How is that working for you?
Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?

I use Vox pellets this round.
I eat only chicken & beef for meals - although this round I am going to eat eggs as a meal once in a while. I do eat a hb egg daily as a snack.
I do eat the 'bread' - grissini or melba rounds.
I take supplements (always have): vit, mineral, 5htp, fish oil, psyllium husk.
I use baby oil on my legs as moisturizer - everything else the same as normal.
I did not exercise R1 but am going to try to walk more this round. I am afraid that more strenuous exercise like aerobics or elliptical will awaken my appetite.
I did 3 weeks of P3 and one week of P4 and maintained quite well (no CD's).

Sample menu:
L: salad w/ salsa & cooked beef or chicken (4 oz) OR soup made from canned broth, veggies & meat plus melba
S: hb egg w/ hot sauce and sometimes an ounce or two of sliced meat
D: P2 chili w/ added veggies like a small zucchini, grissini
S: an apple cut up w/cinnamon & stevia or a bowl of thawed strawberries w/stevia, sometimes coffee or herbal tea

[lbecker28]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
Injections

What is your basic plan?
The protocol minus the fruit and breadsticks

What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
only chicken or fish

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
only what's in my Simply Red salsa

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?
neither

Why do you follow that particular plan?
less cravings and better losses for me

How is that working for you?
works great for me

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
1 meal per day around 2pm of either chicken breast or orange roughy

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
prenatal vitamin and vitamin d

Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
yes and I do massages w oil as well

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
Joyce Vedral dvd with very light dumbells

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
regular atkins

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?
much more energy and no more foot pain, but I do seem to get acne from the injections

[goddesslynne]

I'm just starting, but I will share!!

What type/brand of HCG are you using? Yavonae w/alcohol (unflavored) 10 drops at 5/6am, 1/2pm and 9pm
What is your basic plan? B - coffee w/hwc, L - chicken breast no skin, side salad w/ lettuce and tomato, low cal dressing, D - protein shake or salad w/ 100g. shrimp, chicken or turkey.
What sources of protein do you eat and how much? Lunch chicken is the breast, not weighed. Dinner is 100g of whatever I choose. I may also experiment with fat-free yoghurt or cottage cheese.
What kind of veggies do you eat and how much? Lettuce, tomato, cabbage so far. Will probably also use cucumber and mushroom, also spinach.
Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds? No fruit or bread.
Why do you follow that particular plan? I haven't eaten fruit or bread since 5/09 and I don't want to add until after I reach goal. I will not ever be eating any grain products, but I will add berries after goal.
How is that working for you? So far, so good!!
Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat? see above.
Do you take supplements, and if so what kind? Krill oil, D3, C, K2, Chromium polynicotinate, DIM Plus, Turmeric, B-complex. Also per doc: 1 baby aspirin, progesterone days 12-24 of cycle.
Do you use skincare products that contain oils? yes
Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much? I've been off due to a cold, and I decided to hold off a couple more weeks. I do 3x a week of strength training at home.
What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing? Low carb.
Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways? Not yet, but I'm very healthy anyway!!

[Rogue Pirate]

I started the first of March... I fell off the wagon and gained 10 lbs in 10 days.. got back on the hcg and tweaked my diet.. and now the weight is coming off nicely.. 3 more lbs and I am under the weight I gained and I will continue...

What type/brand of HCG are you using? INJECTIONS

What is your basic plan? LOW TO NO CARB.. HIGHER FAT.. LOWER CALORIES

What sources of protein do you eat and how much? MAINLY CHICKEN, BEEF, EGGS

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much? SALAD, 2-3 CUPS A DAY, ASPERAGUS, BROCCOLI, GREEN VEGGIES.. NO CORN OR SWEET VEGGIES

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds? NONE AT ALL

Why do you follow that particular plan? LOW TO NO CARBS.. LOW CAL, MED PROTEIN/FAT

How is that working for you? GOOD.. 1-3 LBS A DAY

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
Breakfast...
Coffee, truvia, sf french vanilla creamer.. minute amount... <1 carb I think
2 eggs, scrambled with shredded cheese...

3 liters of water during the day...

Lunch...
2 cups salad (from a bag with carrots and cabbage)
2-3 Tablespoons of whole fat ranch... <1 carb
5 slices of deli ham..
1 piece of that laughing cow swiss cheese in the triangles....

Dinner....
3 cups salad (same bag)
3-4 Tablespoons of whole fat ranch
1/2 cup shreded cheese


Do you take supplements, and if so what kind? MILTI VITAMIN

Do you use skincare products that contain oils? YES, REGULARLY

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much? NOT REALLY BUT I WANT TO

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing? LOW TO NO CARB.. MED PROTEIN/FAT

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways? My arthritis is less painful, swelling in legs and hands has improved drastically, I sleep like a rock now.. before it was fitful...

[CherylB]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
Vox hhcg Pellets. Love 'em! I am almost never hungry.

What is your basic plan?
A combination of OWL and Simeons. I use PAM spray for frying. I average 500 cals per day.

What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
Ground Sirloin, Chicken tenders, Shrimp, rarely Fish. Roughly 100 grams twice a day.

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
Rotel tomatoes with Chilies in my burger or on my chicken/fish, rarely a salad.

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?
A Gala Apple once a day (or not), 6 Strawberries (or not.) Smart Pop Orville Redenbacher's popcorn, 100 calorie bag (with "I can't believe it's not butter" spray and powdered Popcorn cheese [or seasonings like Emeril's Essence.]) Once I ate Grissini's but mostly its popcorn.

Why do you follow that particular plan?
It's easy to live on and still enjoy!

How is that working for you?
Great! Lost almost 13 lbs in 15 VLCD's. Can't complain! (And I'm Hypothyroid and Postmenopausal.)

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
B- (sleep late) Coffee with liquid Splenda (aka Ez Sweetz.) (I drink coffee all day long.) Maybe a fruit.
L- 100 (roughly; usually 108) gm Ground Sirloin, fried in a pan with 1/4- 1/2 can of Rotel, sea salt, cracked pepper and garlic powder.
D- Lately, the same thing. Or 100 gm (roughly) shrimp with 50 gm of LC Ketchup and Horseradish (plain, not creamy.)
S- Bag of the popcorn with butter spray and cheese powder. Lots of both. Or fruit.

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
A good Multi, Calcium + D (twice a day), Magnesium (twice a day), B-complex, C, and Potassium Gluconate. For constipation I take Pericolace, fiber, or Dulcolax tabs. I also take Ibuprofen and Benadryl every night. (lots of Rx's, too.)

Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
Not much. No makeup, lotion on my hands on occasion. Sometimes a creamy medicated lotion to some eczema on wrists. Chapstick and lotion to lips. Cinnamon toothpaste. Avoid mints and camphor.

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
Not at all. Very sedentary. Plan to start working out a few times a week in P3, using Kettlebells.

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
Atkins '72. Depending on how stable I can get in P4, I will enjoy an occasional starch in maintenance. I would love to enjoy pizza or pasta sometimes. And MEXICAN food.

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?
Don't really feel "better" than when I was doing Atkins, but don't feel any worse, either. I feel great! I have been noticing cystic type acne the last week, but the first week my oily complexion actually got better and skin was clear. Some say it is the toxins (and hormones) being released from the fat cells that are working their way out of my system.

I try to drink a lot of water, but when my coffee consumption is up, the water consumption goes down.

Note: I have done an Apple Day once so far, to break a stall of 7 days. It worked very well for me with no rebound water weight. But if the stalls become a regular thing, I'll be ditching the grain.

[awlass]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
Novarel injections. 10,000 units, reconstituted with 10 ml. Injecting 0.2 ml per day. Skipping 1 day a week

What is your basic plan?
Eat when hungry. Dont when not. Lots of veggies (usually 2 handfulls)

What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
Mostly chicken. Eggs most days of the week. Beef 2 to 3 times a week. Shrimp as a snack on some days. Clams when feeling adventurous.

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
Mostly broccoli (2 Hand Fulls). Spinach (2HF), onions (1/4 large), mushrooms (3 to 4 or 1 small can), Tunisian salad (1/2 cuc, 1 roma tom, 1/4 onion, 1 jalapeno, lemon juice)... Occasionally some others like asparagus or cabbage. Romaine Lettuce to use as taco shells

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?
Apples, whole grapefruit, hand full of strawberries, half cup of blueberries.
Wasa bread, wheat thin flat bread, 1 cup popcorn, 5 or so cheetos or something like that...

Why do you follow that particular plan?
I like more veggies.. and I like the better grain options.

How is that working for you?
pretty good.. lost 7.5 lbs the one week I actually stuck to it lol

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
B: coffee/tea/water, sometimes fruit... sometimes half an omelet
L: other half of omelet... or meat + massive veggies
S: fruit.. or grain.. or both
D: sometimes grain (for breading), meat, massive veggies, fruit (usually berries)
S2: popcorn! drizzled with SF chocolate.. SF caramel.. nacho flavor.. yummy

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
potassium, b12, 5htp, cayenne, vit c, iron, l-glutamine

Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
on my son, eucerine cream.. for me, occasionally I wear make up..

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
nope.. just chasing my twins

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
I plan to go to atkins induction again... and then just normal eating kinda like found on lori's blog finding radiance. she's my hero!

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?
sooooooo much more energy!

[julieboolie]

My Rogue Plan: Very similar to Kateenie's

Taking the Intermountain hHCG pellets 3x3daily
Rogue - enjoy half/half in my coffee every day !
Supplements? biotin (hair loss last round!), Bvit in my pellets, multi

--Calories range from 500-900
--No fruit
--No grissini
--I mix veggies, but mostly eat salads, cucumbers, cabbage, peppers, onions and tomatos
--Beef frequently (almost daily)
--Whole eggs - 1 -2.or 1 yolk + egg whites as a meal.
--I use all my lotions/soaps, etc.
--Larger protein servings, anywhere from 4 to 6 ounces.
--I eat dark meat and/or ground chicken
--I eat pork loin occasionally
--I eat Greek Yogurt, and even had frozen yogurt once!

I use calories as my big picture, eating pretty much whatever protein I want and just accounting for calories. Try to keep the fat lower and listen to my body. If it's hungry or asking for something, I try to accomodate it .

I've lost 40lbs in 2 round thus far. I'm down to just below my LDW in a week of P2 this round (12 lbs lost - vaca and loading). I'm feeling good!

Plan to maintain LC, with the occasional off-plan treat. Hoping to stabilize easily and be able to add sweet potatos, hummus and frozen yogurt to my daily plan. Worked well last P3/P4!

[2011me]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?

Rx Injections - currently dosing @ 150iu / morning

What is your basic plan?

One day at a time! lol Currently in a planned extended treatment phase... tracking it here:
A journey of an extended treatment phase... if interested.

What sources of protein do you eat and how much?

I prefer beef, but also include chicken tenderloins, shrimp and adding scallops and 0% GY for this extended round.
For the most part I have 7oz daily.

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?

Cucs, tomatoes, red raddishes, cabbage and lettuces mostly... mixing them this go round. Plan on adding peppers,
broc and cali and any other veggies I may want this round. I don't measure.

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?

Apples, oranges, strawberries and blueberries. I do the two Melbas a day.

Why do you follow that particular plan?

I have come to the conclusion that there may not be an issue in developing immunity to hcg.

How is that working for you?

We'll see! lol I have planned 'carb up' days during this extended phase... for mental and nutritional reasons.

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?

Not that exciting! Typical vlcd menu...

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?

Currently I take DIM, maca root and calcium d glucarate for HBing... I also take a 'complete' multivit and
weekly b12 injections.

Do you use skincare products that contain oils?

Yes. No change in these things in my first round, and don't plan on changing anything on this extended round. I like the cleansing conditioner for my hair tooo much! I also use lotions because I live in the high desert...very dry climate.

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?

Nope! Unless you count shopping! lol

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?

I did a full (21 day) p3 after my first treatment phase, during which time I decided to go back into this extended treatment phase (skipping p4) to goal. I then plan to go back to p3 eating with planned carb up days (and steak days as needed! lol). That is the plan!

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?

Ummm... I am healthy, beyond the jacked up hormones. I feel much better while dosing with hcg... but I believe that is because it is boosting my HBing....which is my ultimate goal.

[enlowb]

Girls, this was so helpful for me to see your rogue plans. I am eating protocol and was thinking rogue meant people eating whatever and still losing. Though I dreamed that, you all confirmed for me that it still had to be controlled. bummer!!! Thanks and I'll see you on our other thread.

[Joy2UnMe]

I am following the MRC Meta-HCG Drops 800 calorie menu. It requires just 1 load day, then begin.

BREAKFAST
fruit choices -- apple, orange, strawberries (6 large), 1/2 grapefruit, cantaloupe (1 cup), or other berries(1/2 cup)
protein -- 3.5 oz raw (such as chicken . . .) or 3/4 sup egg substitute or 3 egg whites
coffee, tea, or any other zero-calorie fluids

LUNCH
protein -- 4 oz raw
vegetable -- 4 oz raw (see list below)
fruit -- apple, orange, strawberries (6 large), 1/2 grapefruit, cantaloupe (1 cup), or other berries(1/2 cup)

DINNER
protein -- 4 oz raw (usually steak, buffalo burger, chicken breast, shrimp, or sea scallops)
vegetable -- 2 servings = 8 oz raw (see list below)
*may use zero calorie salad dressings

SUPPLEMENTS REQUIRED DAILY
1 scoop MRC Super Veggie or Super Fruit and Veggi (drink 40 calories)
1 MRC Fulfill Mixed Fruit Fiber drink (15 calories)
2 MRC high nutrition supplements (protein drinks) 3 per day -- 2 clear, 1 creamy

PROTEIN CHOICE LIST
chicken breast
turkey breast
deer / venison
elk
buffalo / bison
sirloin
pork tenderloin
bass
brook trout
crab
flounder
halibut
lobster
orange roughy
pike
shrimp
snapper
swordfish
tilapia
white albacore tuna
scallops

VEGGIE OPTIONS
asparagus
bell peppers
beet greens
broccoli
cauliflower
cabbage
celery
chard
chicory
cucumbers
green beans
fennel root
lettuce
green onions
spinach
tomatoes
zucchini
red radishes

--Joy2UnMe

[tracelin]

I guess I'm more rogue than I thought. LOL

I eat turkey almost exclusively (taco salads for most every meal) and I use pre-packaged taco seasoning.

I forego my fruits except once or twice/week.

I forego my melba.

I will eat cottage cheese and/or eggs as my protein several times/week.

I use 2T coffeemate creamer every morning, but include it in my calorie count.

I stick to 500 cals, but may go over some a few times per week.

I drink Diet soda a couple times per week.

I've been known to dip my spoon in the jar of PB. :blush:
:blush:

I take my drops whenever.

[pacetbostic]

Originally Posted by tracelin

I guess I'm more rogue than I thought. LOL

I eat turkey almost exclusively (taco salads for most every meal) and I use pre-packaged taco seasoning.

I forego my fruits except once or twice/week.

I forego my melba.

I will eat cottage cheese and/or eggs as my protein several times/week.

I use 2T coffeemate creamer every morning, but include it in my calorie count.

I stick to 500 cals, but may go over some a few times per week.

I drink Diet soda a couple times per week.

I've been known to dip my spoon in the jar of PB. :blush:
:blush:

I take my drops whenever.

I'm like you, I eat what I want-in moderaton- Turkey, chicken, beef, vinesin, shrimp...just no pork(right now ).
I always eat my fruit, both servings. Sometimes I eat the melba, sometimes I don't.
I have been known to eat a turkey sandwich with light mayo and low carb/calorie bread. I have a real coke once a week. If I want a bite(or 3) of something, I have it.
I have lost almost every day except during TOM and after my luncheon at work yesterday.
Tonight I am doing a refeed through tomorrow night then back to my "plan" until I have lost another 10-12 lbs.
I do try to take my drops at the same time each day bt not always....

[girlsaidwhat]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
I'm using Rx HCG from India, mixed for sublingual drops. I ran out and switched to hhcg for about a week and then went back to the Rx when it arrived. Lost throughout!

What is your basic plan?
At breakfast, eat one of my veggies for the day.
At lunch, 200g 0% fage greek yogurt and fruit (usually some type of berry).
At dinner, 2 ground beef meatballs that also have spinach in them, as well as onions, breadcrumbs, and egg; homemade tomato sauce; either zoodles or spaghetti squash.
Snack before bed: 200g 0% fage greek yogurt, fruit (usually some type of berry).

Some days I also include 50 calories worth of smart pop popcorn if I'm feeling noshy.

I added the extra calories/protein in the form of 2 meatballs on day 23 of this round. My losses have been the same or *better* since doing this.

I use daVinci's sf syrups liberally, as well as flavored stevia drops, and 0 calorie I can't believe it's not butter spray.

I have either acorn squash or spaghetti squash at least once a day. The other veggie I will eat for that day is usually green beans or zucchini (in the form of zoodles). I lost my taste for both brussel sprouts and spinach on this round, so I don't eat them any more (except some spinach in the meatballs).

I also have drinks 1-2 times a week (rum and diet's...wine stalls me or causes gains).

If I'm feeling a real need for something off plan, I generally do it. A few days this round, I had a huge craving for basmati rice. In general, this is about once a week that I have a huge craving and follow it. It's been rare I had a gain from eating off-plan, as I don't tend to eat huge amounts of things that are off-plan. Some days when I've done this, I've even had a loss the next day (sometimes a bigger loss than on-plan-eating-days!)

I am using the same hair care, skin care, makeup, lotions, etc. that I used before this round.

Why do you follow that particular plan?
When I read info on the OWL modifications, I was thrilled. I felt confident to add extra calories, though on OWL they seem to take the form of grains, and I think protein is a better choice for me. I do include things on the OWL program that aren't on strict protocol including squashes (acorn, spaghetti) and not only do they taste great but they're working great for me too. 0 calorie I can't believe it's not butter spray is a gift from the gods!! I feel like I'm splurging when I have it on popcorn.

I did a 40 day strict protocol round a year or two ago, and at this point I'm at I felt really weak and lethargic. This round, I feel great! (VLCD34).

I'm also planning on staying on P2 til goal, with a bit of refeeding along the way. Again, OWL modifications and the option of refeeds have made it much easier mentally for me to do this.

How is that working for you?

Great! Really excellent so far. : ) I don't feel weak, ravenous or starved. My losses in this week of this round (week 5) have been the highest I've had in any week so far. I'm on VLCD34, and down 19 lbs. I do think it's possible I'm losing more slowly because yogurt is my main protein; with that said, I'm happy with the loss rate I'm at, and I'm even happier that I'm *enjoying* my meals (meat was making me very nauseous the first several days this round...but the meatballs I added on day 23 seem to not trigger this).

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
Potassium, magnesium, biotin, multivite, vitamin C, B12, glucomannan (for Bernice!), probiotics

Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
Yep, some of my skincare does include oils.

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
I haven't exercised at all so far this round. I plan on starting to walk on Monday. I only haven't done it so far because I hadn't been exercising prior to this round...I had been sick for several months and had to stop exercising, which is partially why I gained weight and jumped on hcg again! But if I had been exercising prior to this round, I would have continued.

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
I haven't really decided yet.

[mermaid]

Originally Posted by 2bludawgs

Hey guys - I posted on the weekly "rogue" thread as I'm trying to figure this out...I can't seem to find anyone combining hHCG with higher fat...so I'm your guinea pig. As I've done the "protocol" straight up until dinner tonight where I had an egg, 1Tbs mayo and 1 Tbs. avocado because I almost fell down the stairs with my 2 year old from weakness, it may take me a few days to post what my MO is.

Right now the plan is 80-90% fat for the 500 calories. I'm only doing the 23 day hHCG - and honestly - right now it is NO wonder supplement.

Almost stumbling down the steps due to weakness is not good. The conventional wisdom of roguers seems to be that if you get that weak and hungry, it's time to eat something, and protein/fat works best (like beef).

As low as the Simeon protocol is for protein, what you are doing is quite a bit lower. I would not recommend it for more than three days or so.

I am a believer in having pretty liberal fats in the diet (varies for the individual), but the problem is when you try to go to starvation diet levels (500 calories) you hardly get any protein at all. Even at 1,200 calories of 80% fat it would be protein deficient. Dr. Atkins used to advocate a fat fast (Kekwick diet), for metabolically resistant patients, but only to be done for a few days at a time. It is 1,000 calories of 80% fat, but some do a version that is 1,200 calories. I have done the 1,2000 calorie version on three occasions to shake up my weight loss, and it worked great, but I felt very sick on it every day.

These are just my thoughts, not like laying down the law here. I am very into experimentation, and even though I think dietary fats are healthy, I think adequate protein should be part of the plan too.

I am trying for 80 grams of protein (based on extensive dieting history for my own body), some good fats, and a few veggies, which ends up being about 1,000 to 1,200 calories. You may not want to go that high in calories, but I think a happy medium might be 800 or so at least until you feel more stable and less hunger. Again, just my thoughts. I am a believer in freedom to do what is right for you!

Hope you keep in touch and let us know how it's going!

[mermaid]

Girlsaidwhat--your plan is very interesting and your success is nothing short of amazing!

[mermaid]

Originally Posted by catjrow3

who are the ones on JUDDD? i just checked it out and would like to know more!

Paula was on JUDD but is doing more of a cycling thing with VLCD during the week and Atkins on weekends. Deb294ever was doing JUDD also, but right now is doing I think rogue low carb/calories with injections. I think they both lost quite a bit doing the JUDD, but are experimenting with other things now. There may be more but I don't know who they are. You could start a thread for JUDD/HCG to fish for some of them.

It looked very interesting to me too, but being diabetic I think it would really whack out my system too much.

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by mermaid

Paula was on JUDD but is doing more of a cycling thing with VLCD during the week and Atkins on weekends. Deb294ever was doing JUDD also, but right now is doing I think rogue low carb/calories with injections. I think they both lost quite a bit doing the JUDD, but are experimenting with other things now. There may be more but I don't know who they are. You could start a thread for JUDD/HCG to fish for some of them.

It looked very interesting to me too, but being diabetic I think it would really whack out my system too much.

I think I just like the idea of only 1 day on, and then normal... LOL

[nitenurse]

bump

[Lbibclc]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
oral HHCG drops
What is your basic plan?
walk up one hour, light weights. Mix vegtables, eat off protocol veggies. I allow up to 800 calories a day. I eat gluten free cracker instead of melba. I usually have one or two apples a day. I use pam and splenda. So a lot of what I do is the OWL plan.
What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
Chicken mostly. 4 ounces cooked twice a day. some fish, very lean hamburger, turkey and even ham.
What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
Mostly lettuce and broccoli. but I add extra veggies to my salads. I keep away from beans except green. I don't do corn or peas at this point.
Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds? My bread is fat free pretzels or Crunchmaster sesame gluten free crackers.
Why do you follow that particular plan?
Since I can't have dairy and calcium supplements keep bernice away I need the broccoli for calcium. I mix my veggies to add flavor and reduce boredom.
How is that working for you?
My first two rounds went great although with the first one I was more strict. This one has been slow. I also did an interruption for the first time. I feel really well this round, no weakness or leg cramps that I have had before.
Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
I really don't do recipes for this. For breakfast I usually have my crackers, then lunch is usually chicken and veggies. Today was chicken and grilled zucchini, onion and pepper. Then I had an apple for my afternoon hungries. Supper was a huge salad with mixed greens, tomatoes, onions and more chicken. I may have some more veggies before bed. I am thinking of raw cauliflower with hickory salt.
Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
Potassium, Magnesium, B12, multivitamin, Acai, Probiotic, fiber
Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
Yes but I limit it.
Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
I try to walk every day, do light weights, and stretching
What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
After my last round I did a strict maintenance and did well. I basically doubled the VLCD diet and added fat back in. No steak days. This round I plan on going longer and lose slower.
Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways? My gut feels better that's for sure. Although Bernice can be an issue as long as I don't feel bloated then what's the problem, right? I have learned a lot about my triggers and good eating habits. I really like eating low calorie. It's very freeing having fewer choices in what you can eat. I haven't had any lab work done but would like too.
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[JazzleBug]

What type/brand of HCG are you using?
Natural Health Labs Homeopathic hCG Drops - Alcohol Free

What is your basic plan?
Simeon's was my starting point. However...
I keep my calories between 300 and 700
I do not eat any grains (melba or grissini)
I increased my protein to about 8 oz, twice a day, depending on how I feel (some days, I only eat 8 oz at lunch OR at dinner)
I sometimes use Jay Robb whey protein shakes
I do eat strawberries or put frozen ones in my shakes if they're around
I do NOT eat the apples, oranges, grapefruit, or any other fruit
I rarely get all of my veggies in in a day

What sources of protein do you eat and how much?
I eat chicken (8-9 oz 1-2x a day), beef steak (usually about 5 oz), and Jay Robb Dreamsicle Whey Protein (1 scoop with 1 cup water and 1 cup frozen strawberries)

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?
Cucumbers with salt, steamed/grilled asparagus, cabbage soup...until I'm full.

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?
No bread. Strawberries only.

Why do you follow that particular plan?
Because it works for me, makes sense with the research I've done, and allows me to stay on track.

How is that working for you?
Very well. See my signature...

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
Breakfast: 32 oz water & Yerba mate tea (really helps with any hunger that might pop up!)

Lunch: 32 oz water, sometimes more tea, and a chicken breast, grilled with Creole Seasoning

Dinner: 32 oz water, tea, sometimes another chicken breast or beef steak, sometimes asparagus (about 20 spears usually)

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?
Copied from a recent PM:

Morning:
2 NOW Foods 1500 mg MSM (a sulfer found in rainwater that tightens skin, is great for joints, increases circulation, carries out toxins as the excess flushes out of your body, and is like a "miracle" food)
2 NOW Foods C-1000 (1000 gm Vitamin C) with Bioflavonoids (works synergistically with MSM, so both of these work better when they're taken together. I'm a slooooow healer and vitamin C fixes that problem while I'm taking it)
1 NOW Foods L-Phenylalanine (500 mg) (this is an amino acid, or "brain food," to help increase my energy)
1 NOW Foods L-Glutamine (1000 mg) (this amino acid is an all around good amino acid for mental stability and completely eliminates any ABNORMAL cravings I may have, so I can truly listen to my body's needs)

Midday:
1 NOW Foods L-Phenylalanine (500 mg) (same as above)
1 NOW Foods 5-HTP (100 mg) (I take this amino acid to reduce depression and help me relax)
1 NOW Foods GABA (500 mg) (I take this amino acid for relaxation)

Night:
1 Rainbow Light Women's One Multi-vitamin (I take this RIGHT before I try to go to sleep or I'll be up all night )
2 NOW Foods 1500 mg MSM (Same as morning)
2 NOW Foods C-1000 (1000 gm Vitamin C) with Bioflavonoids (Same as morning)
3 Rainbow Light Magnesium Calcium+ (this is one serving) (Helps me relax and prevents constipation. I can't take this in the morning because it will bind with my thyroid hormone and flush it out of my body unused.)
3 Rainbow Light Complete B-Complex (this is one serving) (Helps with energy. I take this at night to help me wake up in the morning)

When it's not summer (in Texas) and I'm on on HCG, I also take 5 drops of Seeking Health's Vitamin D360 (2000 IU of D3 per drop). I also take natural desiccated thyroid hormone (porcine), 3 grains, in the morning right when I wake up - before I get out of bed.

As you can see, it looks pretty daunting written down, but really, it's not when everything's lined up in my cabinet and I can just shake out what I need. Like I said above, do your own research and make sure it's safe for you. Oh, and I won't always be on the amino acids. I'll only use them for a few months or until my own brain chemistry has rebalanced. For more info on amino acid therapy, I highly suggest Julia Ross's books, The Diet Cure and The Mood Cure. She's amazing and amino acids are amazing. You can feel better in literally a few minutes with amino acids, they work that quickly.

Do you use skincare products that contain oils?
I stopped using my favorite Neutrogena Sesame Body Oil, but I do still use face cream.

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?
At this point, I do not, but am planning to get back into heavy weight lifting once settled in P3 for a while (we don't eat P4 in our home, anyway, except on rare occasion).

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?
Maintenance will forever be P3 in a Paleo (plus dairy, God willing) lifestyle. It's just how our family tries to eat.

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?
hHCG has REMOVED my hypothyroid symptoms. I pray that I continue to feel this well when I'm no longer on the homeopathic drops. It has been a LIFESAVER for me.

[nitenurse]

Thanks Jazzle for your info on the supplements, and food. Made me think a little. I need more protein, too, rest pretty much the same.

[JazzleBug]

Originally Posted by nitenurse

Thanks Jazzle for your info on the supplements, and food. Made me think a little. I need more protein, too, rest pretty much the same.

I'm so glad it could help you!

[emel]

Bumping this for our new friends who've been asking about alternative plans.

I'm on R2D14.

I recently tweaked my plan because I gained 4.2 pounds in two days while almost on protocol. My previous deviations were occasionally mixing veggies, allowing cauliflower, and allowing 1 oz bourbon one day a week. I was feeling weak and sick.

For my new plan:
I've increased protein. I interchange veggies/fruit calories and I skip the melba. It's still about 500 calories. The extra protein really helps.
Also, I do not worry about rotating protein for each meal.

This is Day 5 of the new plan. It is working for me. I lost my mystery gain and am now into new weight territory again.

Here's a recent menu:
For the day, eat when I want it....
up to 9.5 oz chicken (300 cal)
3.3 oz strawberries (30) (that's a half serving)
6.7 oz asparagus (40)
13 oz cucumber (40)
5 oz romaine or salad greens (20)
lemon juice, coffee, 1 Tbl walden farms dressing, onion powder, cinnamon and herbs. (60)
=490 for the day

I have a list of portion sizes if anyone is interested.

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by emel

Bumping this for our new friends who've been asking about alternative plans.

I'm on R2D14.

I recently tweaked my plan because I gained 4.2 pounds in two days while almost on protocol. My previous deviations were occasionally mixing veggies, allowing cauliflower, and allowing 1 oz bourbon one day a week. I was feeling weak and sick.

For my new plan:
I've increased protein. I interchange veggies/fruit calories and I skip the melba. It's still about 500 calories. The extra protein really helps.
Also, I do not worry about rotating protein for each meal.

This is Day 5 of the new plan. It is working for me. I lost my mystery gain and am now into new weight territory again.

Here's a recent menu:
For the day, eat when I want it....
up to 9.5 oz chicken (300 cal)
3.3 oz strawberries (30) (that's a half serving)
6.7 oz asparagus (40)
13 oz cucumber (40)
5 oz romaine or salad greens (20)
lemon juice, coffee, 1 Tbl walden farms dressing, onion powder, cinnamon and herbs. (60)
=490 for the day

I have a list of portion sizes if anyone is interested.

Hopefully you get this worked out for you, it sucks when you are sticking to protocol and start to gain.

How long are you going this round?

[CherylB]

I think she's saying that she did get it worked out. That's why she posted her plan here. Am I right? Just wanted to speak up on her behalf.

[emel]

Originally Posted by jabbok

Hopefully you get this worked out for you, it sucks when you are sticking to protocol and start to gain.

How long are you going this round?

Well, I was going to do 23 days, then 3 wk P3 and then move to P4 the week of my gourmet camping trip. But with the lack of success on Week 2, I was thinking of going up to 38 days, which would put me on P3 6 days before the trip. I can do P3 on the trip, will just have to take oopsies instead of bread or something.

I lost track of where you are in your round. :blush:

Cheryl, thanks. Cindy's one of my gurus. She knows me pretty well in an internetty and hcg kind of way.