Share your HHCG rogue/alternative plan here

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by emel

Well, I was going to do 23 days, then 3 wk P3 and then move to P4 the week of my gourmet camping trip. But with the lack of success on Week 2, I was thinking of going up to 38 days, which would put me on P3 6 days before the trip. I can do P3 on the trip, will just have to take oopsies instead of bread or something.

I lost track of where you are in your round. :blush:

Cheryl, thanks. Cindy's one of my gurus. She knows me pretty well in an internetty and hcg kind of way.

Emel you always amaze me that you are so organized and prepared for your rounds. P3 is pretty easy to do after doing P2 so you should do ok on your camping trip.

I am 1 week into P3 my weight has been going up and down one day was from the lemon cheesecake that I had yesterday, the other weight gain seemed to be from fresh strawberries not sure why but I will not eat them until I stabilize then try them again.

[Sweeteater]

Originally Posted by jabbok

Emel you always amaze me that you are so organized and prepared for your rounds. P3 is pretty easy to do after doing P2 so you should do ok on your camping trip.

I am 1 week into P3 my weight has been going up and down one day was from the lemon cheesecake that I had yesterday, the other weight gain seemed to be from fresh strawberries not sure why but I will not eat them until I stabilize then try them again.

hmmm, this might be the reason for no loss this morning. I had strawberries twice yesterday instead of my usual grapefruit and apple.

Back to the grapefruit and apple today!

(I'm on R1 D6)

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by Sweeteater

hmmm, this might be the reason for no loss this morning. I had strawberries twice yesterday instead of my usual grapefruit and apple.

Back to the grapefruit and apple today!

(I'm on R1 D6)

I am not sure why I gained weight after I had the strawberries, I usually had oranges and grapefruit for my fruit so I dropped the strawberries and will add them in later in P4.

[LoosinItNow]

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[Meek75]

Bump! Great thread!

[cdicenso]

WOW this is awesome everyone!! I did one (kinda) strict round and when I ventured into my second round I just couldn't do it. Now I know I can - I always felt I was doing something 'wrong' by cheating but actually my 'cheating' was just mere tweaking of the program. I am so happy I found this site and this thread! You've given me a great new start to my next round.

Thanks!
Cristina

[Petal26]

What type/brand of HCG are you using? Greenweb drops

What is your basic plan? 100 mg protein (or 3 boiled eggs), 100 grams veggies (right now I'm hooked on Brussels sprouts) or a green salad, 1 apple a day, no melba or grissini. I drink diet coke, crystal lite and lemonade sweetened with splenda.

What sources of protein do you eat and how much? Chicken (mostly the breast), pork, beef, tuna, and whole eggs.

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much? 100 grams brussell sprouts for now. If I'm really hungry I mix veggies until I'm full. Mostly cucumbers, tomatoes and green beans.

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds? Apples, once a day.

Why do you follow that particular plan? I was having a horrible round 2 and decided to experiment a bit.

How is that working for you? Fabulously, I went from 205 to 198.5 in 3 days.

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat? Tea with splenda in the morning, 3.5 oz chicken breast, 3.5 brussel sprouts with a bit of low sodium soy sauce, no salt or pepper, apple and lemonade for snack, Brussels sprouts and meat for dinner again.

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind? Calcium

Do you use skincare products that contain oils? Nope, I use my Complex 15 as a face moisturizer and chapstick (that might contain oil, not sure). I continue to use conditioner for my hair (that I need, my hair is very long, thick and curly), but now instead of mixing it with oil I mix it with honey.

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much? I'm starting Callanetics, I've only finished 2 hours.

What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing? Cut carb servings to 2 a day, and keep sugar under 30 grams.

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways? Other than weight loss I'm still the same. But I was a healthy person to start with. I can say that my feet and ankles don't ache as much when I walk long distances.

[Beezer Louisiana]

I don't know how rogue I am, but I don't do the melba toast or the fruit.

A typical day looks like this:

B - black tea
Snack - (11:00) -- three bites/small spoons of shredded chicken breast.
L - (1:30 or 2:00 p.m.) 100 g. ground sirloin (cooked, rinsed very well) and two handfuls of cabbage
D - (7 p.m.) 100 g. boiled chicken breast, shredded, with chopped celery and onion.

I justify the 11 a.m. 'snack' of chicken before lunch since I'm not eating any fruit or melba toast and otherwise don't compensate for the missing calories. If I don't do the 11 a.m. chicken I get too weak.

[CherylB]

Beezer, I'd say that's pretty strict protocol. Simeon said you can eliminate anything you wanted to, so dropping the fruit and grain doesn't make it rogue. You are rinsing your beef and boiling your chicken, so that sounds pretty protocol. How many calories does all that add up to? Doesn't seem like enough.

I would allow more room for fat in your plan, since you are eating mainly protein with a little carbohydrate. There's something called "Rabbit Starvation." If you haven't heard of it before, you should read up on it. Don't want you to get ill!

[Beezer Louisiana]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Beezer, I'd say that's pretty strict protocol. Simeon said you can eliminate anything you wanted to, so dropping the fruit and grain doesn't make it rogue. You are rinsing your beef and boiling your chicken, so that sounds pretty protocol. How many calories does all that add up to? Doesn't seem like enough.

I would allow more room for fat in your plan, since you are eating mainly protein with a little carbohydrate. There's something called "Rabbit Starvation." If you haven't heard of it before, you should read up on it. Don't want you to get ill!

I've heard of rabbit starvation, but shouldn't I be living off my own fat with the help of hhcg so that I don't need to consume it? That's what I'm counting on.

I'm probably around 450 calories. I added it up one day and that's what it was.

[CherylB]

Well, see how it goes. If you start to feel "off" in any way, just keep that in mind. I don't think it's good to totally eliminate fat from your diet.

[Beezer Louisiana]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Well, see how it goes. If you start to feel "off" in any way, just keep that in mind. I don't think it's good to totally eliminate fat from your diet.

Am I misinterpreting Dr. S's protocol? I thought it said to trim all visible fat from the meat. I thought, according to protocol, fat was the enemy while on hcg?

Am I misinterpreting? Or am I just super-strict? (Understanding that I'm on the rogue thread. LOL!)

I thought I was going rogue, but instead am I going militant? LOL!

I want this to be my only round, if at all possible. Then I can happily live on my (strict) low carb that I was maintaining on before. (Not even LC tortillas.)

[star a.d.]

I will be heavily referring to this thread when I do my next round. whew...people eating fat! I feel miserable without it.

[CherylB]

He says to trim off visible fat, but he doesn't say to wring out the meat before you eat it! LOL. Some fat is natural. Drain you beef, but don't rinse it. I wouldn't boil the chicken unless you particularly enjoy eating it that way.

If you are enjoying your food, then keep on eating things and cooking things the way you are. But I think it's a little extreme and I never would have lasted 23 days following your plan.

But who cares what I think! Do it the way you like.

[Beezer Louisiana]

Originally Posted by CherylB

He says to trim off visible fat, but he doesn't say to wring out the meat before you eat it! LOL. Some fat is natural. Drain you beef, but don't rinse it. I wouldn't boil the chicken unless you particularly enjoy eating it that way.

If you are enjoying your food, then keep on eating things and cooking things the way you are. But I think it's a little extreme and I never would have lasted 23 days following your plan.

But who cares what I think! Do it the way you like.

Boiling the chicken breasts is just the way I've always done it. I cube it and keep it for the kids' quesadillas. I also make chicken salad for them with it.

I think that American beef is fattier than the beef available to Dr. S at the time. I might have read that somewhere. I know I did. I wonder where?

I'm fine with militant eating plans. (I was a vegarian for 12 years! So you know it's true!) If I start to falter, I'll stop rinsing the beef. Okay?

[doxielove]

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[Selahgal]

Just looking around and saw this thread. Here is my personalized food list for the hhcg which I did last year for six rounds [well, about 5 1/2 as I did the first two weeks 'by the book'!] I just started R7P2 yesterday.

This is very modified and YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY!!! I stopped weighing the raw meat but just 'eyeballed it'. I mixed veggies. I didn't eat many of these foods very often either but I did if I wanted them. I also kept talking fish oil to keep my gallbladder happy. I also still used my creams, lotions, shampoos, etc.

MY OPTIONAL PERSONALIZED EXTRAS
Bacon bits, real, 1 tbsp, 25 calories
Blackberries, ½ cup, fresh, 32 calories
Blueberries, ½ cup, fresh, 42 calories
Bread, Genesis, 1 slice, 80 calories
Bread, Ezekiel, 1 slice, 80 calories
Broccoli, 1 cup. 30 calories
Broccoli. 5″ spear, 11 calories
Brussel Sprouts, 4 oz, 36 calories
Butter, 1 tbsp, 100 calories
Cocoa, 1 tbsp,12 calories
Cheese, blue, 1 oz, 100 calories
Cheese, cheddar, 1 slice, 112 calories
Cheese, Parmesan, 1 tbsp, 22 calories
Cheese, Parmesan, 2 tsp, reduced fat, 20 calories
Cheese, Provolone, 1 slice, 98 calories
Cheese, Swiss, 1 slice, 106 calories
Chicken, ground, 4 oz, 108 calories
Chicken, thigh, skinless, 1 piece, 110 calories
Coconut oil/MCT Oil, 1 tbsp, 120 calories [these calories ‘don’t count’]
Cottage cheese, 4%, ½ cup, 110 calories
Cottage cheese, 2% low fat, ½ cup, 90 calories
Cranberries, 2 oz, 26 calories
Half n Half, 1 tbsp, 20 calories
New Greens, 1 scoop, 40 calories
Peppers, bell, 1/2 cup, 15 calories
Peppers, banana, 1, chopped, 8 calories
Raspberries, ½ cup, 32 calories
Salmon, 4oz, 130 calories
Shirataki Noodles, 1 bag, ZERO calories
Tofu Shirataki Noodles, 1 bag, 40 calories
Turkey, ground, 4 oz, 160 calories
Turkey, roasted, 4 oz, 180 calories
Wasa bread, 1 cracker, 40 calories
Yogurt, plain, full fat, ½ cup, 70 calories
Yogurt, plain, low fat, ½ cup, 70 calories
Zevia soda, 1 can, ZERO calories

[metqa]

Hey Selah!!!!!!!
Long time no see, or for me, long time not paying attention. Handsome Kitty in your Avi!!!!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by metqa

Hey Selah!!!!!!!
Long time no see, or for me, long time not paying attention. Handsome Kitty in your Avi!!!!

Hey metqa!!! Good to see you again!!!

Yeah, that's me and Baby Mama Cat out in our woods last year.

[PaminKY]

This is a great thread. I just started HCG using the Intermountain drops and pellets and I guess I will have to go "rogue" because I won't give up my coffee with cream in the AM. Anytime I try to give that one thing up on any diet I always fail so I'm keeping it. I do use the La Creme original creamer, which I love.

I'm also doing this along with my already established Intermittent Fasting routine. During the day I only drink coffee w/creamer (no more than 2 cups), water, Yerba Mate tea sweetened with stevia and at 4pm I drink a 12oz chia fresca. My eating window opens from 6-10pm and that is when I will eat my allowed protein and veggies. I will eat strawberries & blueberries and cantaloupe, not so sure about the apple (they give me a tummy ache) and I also drink Zevia every once in a while, the cream soda is great and is almost like a dessert.

I take a multi-vitamin, magnesium citrate and just recently added biotin. I'm not doing a regular exercise routine yet but I do take care of 10 horses am/pm and I plan on digging out either my Callanetics or 8-Minute tapes soon. I love the 8-minute tapes, they seem to go pretty fast and I can really tell that I'm toning up with them. The Callanetics tape that I have is 60 minutes long and I rarely have that much time after taking care of the horses and having to get ready for work so that might not be a good choice except for the weekends.

Thanks everybody for sharing their plans.

[suzi7]

Wow. Just found this thread (thanks Cheryl!) and didn’t see any vegetarians posting here so I thought I would contribute my roguishness to the list and bump the thread.
Just finished R1P2, lost 15 pounds, and 10 days into my P3 (stabilizing well; only one CD so far (knock on wood)

What type/brand of HCG are you using? Intermountain sublingual drops

What is your basic plan? Lacto-ova vegetarian, trying to eat as much organic as I can… prob 70%, so I knew I had to be rogue from the start (see below protein and veggie list) Kept track of the calories and averaged around 600 most days.

What sources of protein do you eat and how much? Eggs (daily; 1 whole plus 3-4 whites); non-fat gy; whey protein powder (the brand I use is 22 gr protein, 3.5 total carbs (2.5 fiber); and after the first week, I added ½ cup of no-fat milk to my shake. Goal was 50 or more gram of protein a day

What kind of veggies do you eat and how much? I know I ate more than the ½ c twice a day. Probably more like 2 cups or even more a day. Mixed salad (daily) w WF no-cal dressing or just wine vinegar; cucumbers, asparagus, bell peppers, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, chard, spinach, tomatoes, zucchini. I started with the basic Simon list and added something new (or a new mix) every couple days. A couple things caused a gain (cabbage of all things! But only raw….)

Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds? Not daily. Apple, orange (especially when traveling w my gy) (loved ordering my apple slices at mcd’s! “but that’s for the happy meal, ma’am!” lol) had strawberries w my shake a few times. Most days no fruit. Tried the grissini. Not my thing. The last couple weeks, to keep from having a “reaction” later on, I added ½ of a flat-bread round of whole grain bread (about 50 calories) once a day. Def better than grissini!

Why do you follow that particular plan? Vegetarian…. Can’t do the meat. But I do LOVE my veggies…

How is that working for you? Worked well. I had no real hunger, a little “head hunger” the first couple days til I upped my veggies and mixed my salad. After that no problems.

Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat? See above. No breakfast (caff-free/herbal tea only), then lunch and dinner, two snacks.

Do you take supplements, and if so what kind? All sorts… I started out “bare-bones” and then decided my long-term health was worth more to me than the couple pounds I would not lose on this round. Am (usually in two “layers, one with tea and one during diet w “lunch” at about 11 (some need food): B12 (a necessity for vegetarians), D3 (used a tablet not the oil form), fish oil, magnesium, C, E, Probiotic, Alpha-Lipoic acid, Carnitine, DhEA, ubiquinol (purified CoQ10), astaxanthin, Osteobiflex. Pm (again split between dinner and bedtime): D3 (used a tablet not the oil form), fish oil, C, E, ubiquinol, balanced b, niacin, Osteobiflex, melatonin…. Oh and shhhh a prenatal daily. I may have forgot something…. But that’s about it.

Do you use skincare products that contain oils? Yes, again, started without but my poor skin complained!!!! (I have very dry and sensitive skin) I only use 100% natural, toxin-free, organic skincare (using goodies like alpine rose stem cells and seabuckthorn berry oil), never anything containing parabens, PEGs, or heavy oils, tho.

Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much? Ha! I tried. I was an addict before I started (did hours some days), but I gave in after a couple days and just let the hHcg do its thing. I did walk almost daily, basic am yoga, and do some basic (light) handweights.
What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing? So far working on my first P3 (which has stabilized amazingly easy for me). Planning a second round after this.

Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways? Yes, yes! I started this on “band-aid” meds for very high blood pressure (my np dr said that eventually with diet and exercise, I shouldn’t need them). Around day 30 of P2, I started having dizzy spells and felt weak. I thought it was my diet, but my dr asked me to check my BP… found it was way too low! So I cut the meds, by half first (BP went up to 100/60) so doc said cut it out all together and see what happens. I thought maybe it was the hHcg but 10 days into my P3 (13 without hHcg) and my BP is still where it went after I ceased the meds… averages 118/75. (I go have it checked three times a week just to be safe… so far so good!) Also, I have a bad hip and knee (opposite legs) and about a week into the diet, both stopped bothering me! And I swear I am a lot more flexible doing my yoga! (still can’t put my toes on the back of my head, but hey who can?)

def recommend Hcg (whatever form, and straight or rogue) to my friends who, when they haven't seen me for a couple weeks, can't get over how good I look (I lost 12 inches along with my 15 pounds! mostly in my stomach!!!!)

[anir]

Originally Posted by mermaid

I have worked up a template that might help cover all the information a newcomer might like to have about your plan. Feel free to use it, or not. Just whatever you would like to share!

What type/brand of HCG are you using? drops
What is your basic plan?
B two egg white with one melba toast
l salad with beef
d cabbag with chicken
s apple
i use four stevia aday with my tea and coffee
What sources of protein do you eat and how much?4oz beef for l chicken for d
What kind of veggies do you eat and how much?salad or cabbage about a cup and more
Do you eat fruit or bread, if so what kinds?i do eat my 2 melba toast and one fruit apple
Why do you follow that particular plan?
How is that working for you?very good down 5 pounds in 4 days
Care to share a sample menu or list of food you eat?
Do you take supplements, and if so what kind?no
Do you use skincare products that contain oils?i dont use lotion but i do use my shampoo and coundetions
Do you exercise, and if so, what type and how much?no
What kind of maintenance plan have you done or plan on doing?atkins or 17 day diet not sure yet
Has your health improved on HCG, if so in what ways?

no i have headach and legs cramps

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by anir

no i have headach and legs cramps

anir: sounds like low potassium to me. A lot of potassium-rich foods are not on the strict Simon Protocol (bananas, broccoli, avocados, dates, figs, beans and lentils, salmon, tuna ... you get the idea. all the P2 "no-no's" ). Years ago, I used to have a lot of problems with my potassium (my dr told me I had a chronic potassium deficiency, whatever that is) and switched from regular salt (sodium) to potassium-based salt substitute (not sure what brands might be available for you) and I no longer have the cramps and headaches. just a suggestion.... hope it helps.

[verbqueen]

I gotta back suzi up on this one--I used to be terribly plagued with calf cramps whenever doing any kind of dieting, but once I switch to Morton Lite salt, I've never had another one.

One thing you can do in the short term is make yourself a strong cup of bullion using those cubes or stock base or bullion powder. Just getting your salt back up will often put a stop to them.

[julieboolie]

I second the potassium and raise you magnesium! I do a combo of potassium, with calcium and magnesium. I even bought a "magnesium oil" which is actually a brine, that you can spray directly oto your skin and rub in. Prevents the digestive side effect from too much magnesium, and can be applied directly to the area where you cramp. (ankles, calf etc.) Works great for me!!

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I second the potassium and raise you magnesium! I do a combo of potassium, with calcium and magnesium. I even bought a "magnesium oil" which is actually a brine, that you can spray directly oto your skin and rub in. Prevents the digestive side effect from too much magnesium, and can be applied directly to the area where you cramp. (ankles, calf etc.) Works great for me!!

what she said.... lol

Now I remember doing the mag oil for my guys when they would cramp up majorly after a hard game (crazy avid sports freaks of all sorts). worked wonders! (that and I made them lick the potassium "light" salt... lol. they thought it odd, but it worked FAST!)

[vicki786]

Thanks for the thread, Mermaid! I have a question which I hope I can get an answer for. I lost 15 pounds with HCG drop using 800 cal. Then, I tired to use the same diet couple of times and I got very weak so I stopped now.

Now, I am again on the diet. I lost 3 pounds in the 1st couple of days and that is it. I just finished my 1st week and I am on my last 10 pounds to lose. I also have a very low Metabolism and I take Thyroid med.

Can anyone tell me why I am not losing weight now????

Thx,
Victoria

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by vicki786

Thanks for the thread, Mermaid! I have a question which I hope I can get an answer for. I lost 15 pounds with HCG drop using 800 cal. Then, I tired to use the same diet couple of times and I got very weak so I stopped now.

Now, I am again on the diet. I lost 3 pounds in the 1st couple of days and that is it. I just finished my 1st week and I am on my last 10 pounds to lose. I also have a very low Metabolism and I take Thyroid med.

Can anyone tell me why I am not losing weight now????

Thx,
Victoria

I'm no expert, but my best guess is because you're smaller and closer to goal now. I've been there. This past round, as I reached closer to "goal" the weight was very slow in leaving. And I finally accepted a slightly higher than optimal "goal" # since my body decided it was done.

Another ? - how long ago was your last "round"? The longer btw. rounds the more successful mine were. Just a thought.

[vicki786]

Thanks for starting this thread! I have lost 15 pounds using HCG and 800 cal diet on my first round.

I then tried couple of times but could not lose weight. I then waited for a while and started another round of HCG and 800 cal. Now, I am not losing weight like a pound daily.

Please help. I just need to lose last 10 pounds and keep it. Here is what I eat:

1) lots of vegs;
2) One apple a day
3) 4 oz of chicken at lunch
4) 6 oz of beef
5) lots of water, tea and coffee..

I also have thyroid and take medication. But I am not eating much and I am not sure what is the problem..

Please advise..

Victoria

[Tinker]

Thank you all for posting your variations. It's very interesting to read.

I'm wondering, do you all think that your hypothalamus, metabolism, etc. are going to reset in the way that they are supposed to, according to Dr. S and his original protocol?

I mean, it's one thing to lose weight on a very low calorie, high protein diet. It would probably be hard NOT to lose weight on 500-800 calories a day. But, keeping it off is what I worry about. That is where resetting properly sets in.

I am going a little bit rogue by using my usual beauty products and substituting a protein shake for meat, once in a while. I think it will help me stick to the plan better, but I'm worried that I might not get all of the benefits of the original protocol.

Has anyone here done a rogue round all the way through and then maintained the loss?

~Tinker