The HCGers exercise thread - Page 2

Ginja · 03-02-2011, 03:30 AM

I had decided I didn't want to exercise in p3 because I didn't want to have to deal with the water fluctuations, i'm already having enough scale issues (well in p2 I was, I have been within my ldw everyday so far in my p3) but I am missing my super callan. I also have Leslie Sansone I could do that too but I get that kind of walking around my campus twice a week. May start the exercise again. Undecided.

terkatz · 03-02-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mousie tartufo

Well, if you're only .2 over your window, I wouldn't bother with a CD. If I'm misreading that and you're 2.2 over your window, I'd give it one day in case it's water, and then do a CD if necessary. But this is my suggestion based on what I've done. Obviously, you know your body, and can make a better determination if this is muscle retained water, or if it's weight gain.

Thanks for the replying, I am down .7 (and yes it was 2.2) this a.m. so I think I will carefully monitor what and how much I am eating today and see if this will correct itself. I will go ahead and do water aerobics, but only that. I have never had to do a steak, apple or egg day so I was not looking forward to it.
Happy weigh ins to all!

coconut4YA · 03-02-2011, 06:35 AM

I HAVE BEEN SIMI EXERCISING SINCE I STARTED LAST WEEK... YESTERDAY I DID DO A NEW DANCE WORKOUT FOR YOUR BUTT.. BRAZIAN BUTTLIFT AND DID GET A LITTLE SORE. I AM UP 2LBS TODAY =[ NEED ADVICE IS IT WATER OR A ACTUAL WEIGHT GAIN? I DID NOT EAT ANYTHING DIFFERENT THEN I HAVE BEEN ON PLAN. HELP!! SO UPSETTING TO SEE

DisneyPrincess · 03-02-2011, 08:22 AM

If you didn't eat anything off then of course it isn't fat gain. It's takes an EXTRA 3500 calories to gain a pound of fat

minimonkey · 03-02-2011, 02:46 PM

I am thinking at least part of my recent gain is muscle -- I am definitely showing more of that, and I like it.

I am going to do some protocol tweaking (yes, going rogue after all! I am nothing if not indecisive sometimes....) and see if I can lean out a bit more..... will keep working out, however, and try to be zen about the scale.

DisneyPrincess · 03-02-2011, 05:46 PM

Remember you can gain muscle while in a calorie defect. It's not possible- you can reshape

I'll be following you mini! Best of luck!

I'm taking a few days off exercise. I'm sick and my son is sick

Lil Donna · 03-02-2011, 08:15 PM

I hope someone can answer this or help me in some way.

Summary: Just finished Couch to 5k this past Sunday. I took my final run outside and previously all my runs had been on a treadmill. I was soooo sore on Sunday after the run. My knees hurt so bad. My whole body still hurts a lot. I never had soreness from the treadmill.

Now tonight, I tried to run on the treadmill and just couldn't do more than 3 minutes when I was running/jogging for 40 minutes previously.

Could this be the HHCG? I started on Monday VLC. P2.
Could it just be my body resisting? Too low of calories to give me the energy I need? I feel fine, maybe a little tired but I was ready to jump on the treadmill and give it a go but just couldn't do it.

I am very, very upset

that I have come so far and now I can't do anything. I wanted to do the St. Patricks Day 5k but I just don't know what to do now. I need to be training for it right now. I really need to keep running for my health and well being.

I will take any suggestions to get back on track.... HELP!

shelbyla · 03-02-2011, 08:20 PM

lil donna - sorry you're experiencing this!

my thought would be that running as you have been used to doing won't really be possible on 500 calories, especially ketosis calories, if that makes sense. you'll be able to continue light exercise for your health but without that readily available glucose, i think you'll have issues with heavy running. you could increase calories in the form of protein. hopefully someone else who exercised heavily through P2 will chime in here...

minimonkey · 03-03-2011, 01:14 AM

Disney --

I know the common wisdom is that you can't gain muscle on a calorie deficit, but I actually am not sure I entirely believe that... I actually have gained muscle while being in deficit before, I am fairly sure of this. A couple of years ago I lost a lot of weight due to being quite ill (major gut problems) -- I literally couldn't tolerate solid food for several months, and I worked out a lot during that time to combat muscle loss. I ended up building muscles, despite being unable to eat anywhere near the calories I should theoretically have been consuming. I got stronger, and some of my muscles definitely developed.

This last bit of muscle gain would have occurred on p3, anyhow... definitely not a calorie deficit there! I am a bit confused as to how much of the recent gain is muscle, how much is fat, and how much was just one of those weird water-weight blips on the radar... but I am fairly sure at least some of it is due to muscle.

Hhcg complicates the equation a lot, too, as we are theoretically getting a lot of usable calories from our fat due to the hhcg/hcg. What I am really hoping for is reshaping -- leaning out the fat percentages a bit more, and seeing more muscle definition. If I can just maintain my muscle mass in p2, I will be mighty pleased with that. I am only aiming for a 23 day round in any case, so we aren't talking a long time in any event, and I am only aiming to lose between five and ten pounds.... I really don't think I would look good any lower than that, unless my body ends up really surprising me. I definitely stil have some fat I can afford to part with....lol. It doesn't show in jeans, but naked is another matter altogether.

If I find workouts too difficult on the 500 calories, I will up the protein. I want to continue working out this time around, even if it means slower losses. This is going to be one of those "play it by ear" scenarios, with day to day adjustments as need be -- but I will stick as close to the protocol as I can tolerate physically.

I have no real problem with getting into a groove and staying the course on things, but the physical limits are another thing altogether.

mousie tartufo · 03-03-2011, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Donna

I hope someone can answer this or help me in some way.

Summary: Just finished Couch to 5k this past Sunday. I took my final run outside and previously all my runs had been on a treadmill. I was soooo sore on Sunday after the run. My knees hurt so bad. My whole body still hurts a lot. I never had soreness from the treadmill.

Now tonight, I tried to run on the treadmill and just couldn't do more than 3 minutes when I was running/jogging for 40 minutes previously.

Could this be the HHCG? I started on Monday VLC. P2.
Could it just be my body resisting? Too low of calories to give me the energy I need? I feel fine, maybe a little tired but I was ready to jump on the treadmill and give it a go but just couldn't do it.

I am very, very upset

that I have come so far and now I can't do anything. I wanted to do the St. Patricks Day 5k but I just don't know what to do now. I need to be training for it right now. I really need to keep running for my health and well being.

I will take any suggestions to get back on track.... HELP!

Okay, you asked!!!

As a C25Ker, let me tell you this right now: running on a treadmill is nowhere NEAR as strenuous as road running. The impact is cushioned on a treadmill. Road running is high-impact, bone-jarring work. Your bones and muscles need time to toughen up and adapt to the stress. Many folks find that though they finished C25k on a mill, once they hit the road, they were back to week 3 or 4. I did mine on the road - and when I did a mill run, it was stupidly easy by comparison.

Frankly, I'd give your body a day or two to 1)get adjusted to the hcg - you're having to pull energy from your own fat stores, and mobilizing that takes time; and (2) you need to REST from your road experience.

As to training for that 5k, I'd just start over outside at week 3, maybe week 4 (you'll know). Since you were previously able to run the whole distance, it won't take quite as long for your body to adapt. Keep in mind that you're asking an awful lot of your body, not only to run (and adapt to road running), but dieting as well. PLEASE go easy on yourself, and pay attention to your body. What's one dumb 5k versus serious injury or the rest of your life? There's always another 5k in a week or a month - they're a dime a dozen. But your body is the only one you have.

Also, your gait will probably change - don't be surprised, and pay attention. NO HEEL STRIKES. On a mill, you're confined to that teeny little space so you don't fall off or whack your arms on the rails. On the road, it's uneven, elevation changes, all sorts of stuff. Concentrate on FORM first, speed will eventually follow. I'm slower than Yurtle out there, but my form is solid, and my hips and back don't hurt after a half hour run (2 miles). And I'm still a moose.

Lastly, if you do decide to run that 5k, DO NOT STRESS OVER YOUR TIME. At this stage, considering how you're torturing your body by dieting and running hard-core, finishing it without killing yourself is more important than some dumb number. You can always do another, faster 5k in the future.

Hope that helps, dear.

DisneyPrincess · 03-03-2011, 05:20 AM

If you were working out and still dieting you would have been losing fat and maintaining muscle, which would give the illusion of gaining muscle mass for sure.

It is extreamly hard to build muscle for women period, let alone while dieting

BUT, you are right Mini, the hhCG might change that equation.

I think it is smart to listen to your body. Therre have been days I was fine working out and days my body was screaming for rest or more fuel

Donna- it sounds like you aren't tolerating the calories + running. Have you tried adding more protein? I also find eating my fruit before I workout and protein after helps

mousie tartufo · 03-03-2011, 07:29 AM

Oh, and Lil Donna? I forgot - Congrats on graduating the C25k program!!!

Whether outside or on a treadmill, that's still a great achievement! YAY YOU!!!

Also, what Disney said. You're going to need extra protein, especially if you run outside. You'll be doing a lot of muscle/bone/ligament repair, and that needs protein. If you're not taking in enough through diet, your body will strip it from some muscles on order to rebuild others. During my first P2, I ate one extra serving per day, in the form of a protein shake (easily assimilated), 20-30 minutes after exercise. Gives the body a quick source for muscle rebuilding. Didn't affect my protocol at all; I lost 17 pounds the first round.

BusyMomOf4 · 03-03-2011, 07:57 AM

Disney,

What time of day do you work out? I want to continue my exercise regimen (which I just restarted last week) this next round (which I'm starting on Monday). But... I have to exercise at 6am before my 4 beautiful children are up. My goal is Curves on M-W-F, and either my stairmaster or WATP dvds T-TH-SA (although Saturdays are iffy).

Any thoughts? I'd appreciate any insight anyone can give. TIA!

DisneyPrincess · 03-03-2011, 08:06 AM

I go in the evenings. I nanny during the day and am caring for my 1 year old on my own so i have to go when the daycare at the gym is available after my "other child" is gone.

BusyMomOf4 · 03-03-2011, 08:47 AM

I guess I just didn't know if I should have my fruit and protein that early in the morning. I thought I might just try to have an apple when I get home. I used to have it at 10am. I guess I'll just have to see how it goes. I may need to add in some extra protein in the morning after my exercise.

Lil Donna · 03-03-2011, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mousie tartufo

Okay, you asked!!!

Hope that helps, dear.

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!! I am almost in tears reading your post.
I just felt so hopeless last night and you made me feel so much better.
THANK YOU!!!

I will start outside tomorrow at Week 3 like you said. Seems like such a set back though. On Sunday I did hills, a rocky area and went further than I ever had. I was extremely motivated and just worked through the pain. My body is screaming at me right now. You are right about only having one body and to treat it right.

I don't think I will be ready for the St. Patricks Day 5k but my real goal was to finish C25K and I did that. I should feel proud of myself and I am.

Thank you again for your post!

minimonkey · 03-03-2011, 12:07 PM

Oh, Donna -- BIG HUGS!!! You are doing fantastically well! So glad you got your question answered in a way that explained what is going on.

Disney -- perhaps you are right... perhaps I simply maintained my muscles, and they just looked bigger due to the loss and the change of body ratios (I wasn't dieting at the time, actually -- just having some major health problems that precluded eating.) I was so scared of losing muscle, I was working out like crazy. I DID gain a lot of strength during that time, though... that much I can say for sure.

I actually gain muscle extremely easily for a woman -- that's a blessing.

I really wonder how the whole hhcg thing figures in...? I am going to try to listen to my body, and respect its needs and limitations. I do suspect I will be doing a bit more than the 500 calories on workout days, and will try not to panic about the darned ups and downs on the scale due to exercise.

shelbyla · 03-03-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Donna

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!! I am almost in tears reading your post.
I just felt so hopeless last night and you made me feel so much better.
THANK YOU!!!

I will start outside tomorrow at Week 3 like you said. Seems like such a set back though. On Sunday I did hills, a rocky area and went further than I ever had. I was extremely motivated and just worked through the pain. My body is screaming at me right now. You are right about only having one body and to treat it right.

I don't think I will be ready for the St. Patricks Day 5k but my real goal was to finish C25K and I did that. I should feel proud of myself and I am.

Thank you again for your post!

I knew Mousie would have the answer--she rocks it!

minimonkey · 03-03-2011, 11:21 PM

I did a Bar Method workout tonight, and they are definitely getting easier now that I have been working out again for a few weeks. I love that feeling!!

I am totally jonesing for some new exercise tapes, so I think I will invest in some soon. My roommate and I work out together, which helps immensely with motivation, and is also a lot of fun.

I am thinking about adding in a bit of heavier lifting one day a week -- I don't belong to a gym (and can't afford to join one) -- but am thinking about reincorporating some of the old FIRM tapes -- some of those are pretty great.

DisneyPrincess · 03-04-2011, 05:11 AM

Jillian michaels 30 day shred isn't heavy weights (5pound dbs) but it is a good metabolic workout to mix things up

shelbyla · 03-04-2011, 05:21 AM

Happy Friday ladies! No change for me today on the scale which I am pretty happy about. Who knew you could be happy about seeing the scale NOT move?

But the last couple of weeks, although I've been in my window the whole time, have been a veritable rollercoaster of weight. Up a pound, down 2 pounds, UP 3 pounds, down 2 pounds, down a pound, UP 2 pounds. Geesh! It's mentally taxing! A good workout for the old psyche though!

Hope everyone has a fantastic weekend. I am sure looking forward to it!

mousie tartufo · 03-04-2011, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Donna

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!! I am almost in tears reading your post.

Aww. I HAD to respond - I've been there, I know how frustrating it is. I had to do week 5 three weeks in a row before I could run the whole thing. Asphalt is HARD - literally and figuratively!!

I'm really glad I could help. Keep us posted on your progress. And who knows, it's two weeks away, maybe you'll do the 5k anyway - even if you walk part of it, who cares? Make it fun, make it a bit of a challenge to see how far you can go on the course before you have to walk. Or, run it, but use your podrunner program to keep with it (like if you're doing week 5 by that point, play that and run the 5k using it). The point is, don't tell yourself you can't do it, or you'll be right.

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Originally Posted by shelbyla

I knew Mousie would have the answer--she rocks it!

:blush::blush::blush:

Well gang, I'm loading for my next P2. Day ahead of schedule, but with pre-show mania and pre-TOM symptoms, I'm not fighting it. Not like chowing down is going to ultimately make me feel better, but I doubt I could feel worse!

I'm also skipping my workout today - I figure running around like a nut, loading my car, unloading it and setting up are going to be enough exercise over the day. Not to mention being "on point" and standing all weekend.

Hang tough ladies, and continue to kick this plan's butt! Hey, that's exercise too, isn't it?

minimonkey · 03-04-2011, 10:39 AM

I think today is a cardio day for me -- I will be doing a lot of physical housework, anyhow, and will just run with the flow. I am going to order some new workouts tonight

Now... what to get??? I definitely want the newest bar method dvd, which is just out, but may wait until the price drops a bit. More urban rebounding I think, and a couple more of the Core Fusion dvds that I don't yet have....

Anyone tried the Callanetics Evolution? I have the regular Callanetics tapes (and yes, they are *tapes*) -- and I do like them quite a bit, particularly Super Callanetics. I just get to the point where I have memorized the entire tape, all the dialogue, etc... and need to mix it up a bit more.

Have I mentioned that I LOOOOVE my workouts???

DisneyPrincess · 03-08-2011, 01:52 PM

Bumping!

Worked out yesterday fir the first time in 5 days! Felt good. I did weight training and 30 minutes if steady state cardio. Couldn't get anything in today but tomorrow is spin class

halebop · 03-08-2011, 02:31 PM

I'd love some advice....

A few years ago I was very active with weights and cardio (I even competed in figure / fitness but that was over 10 years ago - sigh)

Anyway, I've been completely inactive for awhile now so I knew P2 wasn't the time to start exercising. But now I find myself wanting to get back into it again.

If I were to start up with an easy workout routine in P3 for 3 weeks and then 3 weeks in P4 - would it be ok to maintain it when I start P2 again for my 2nd round of HCG?

I know you shouldn't begin exercising in P2 but if I've got 6 weeks in before my next P2, would that be ok to keep it up? Thanks!

shelbyla · 03-08-2011, 03:21 PM

I started weights and pilates in P3. Gained a little water weight from muscle soreness but that dropped off after a couple of days. It should be fine.

halebop · 03-08-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbyla

I started weights and pilates in P3. Gained a little water weight from muscle soreness but that dropped off after a couple of days. It should be fine.

Thanks! Do you plan on doing another round or are you all set now? If you do have another round coming do you plan to stick with your current exercise when you return to P2?

DisneyPrincess · 03-08-2011, 06:08 PM

Starting in p3 would be fine, as would continuing into another round of p2. Dr S said don't start any NEW exercise in p2. He didn't say not to exercise. You could even start in p2 IMO, you just have to factor in possible water gains

minimonkey · 03-08-2011, 07:33 PM

I am on workout hiatus until I am feeling better -- hope it isn't long. Reasonably speaking, this break will be a good time for my muscles to repair and regenerate, too -- I am sometimes a bit guilty of overtraining, and neglecting to include adquate rest days during the week. I am working on improving that. I know that rest days are just as important as workout days to achieving one's goals.

minimonkey · 03-08-2011, 07:38 PM

Just my early p2 rogue interpretation -- working out requires that I add more food overall to the protocol. I am adding mostly protein, and a few veggie/fruit carbs too -- still only averaging about 750 calories a day, which seems like a lot compared to the max of 500 -- but it makes the workouts possible.

I really think that on the 500, while trying to work out, I was beginning to lose muscle mass --and that is NOT what I want. I want fat loss, and muscle maintenance... and in p3, I will want some muscle gains, and continued fat loss. I want to be lean, muscular, and toned.. not gaunt and/or floppy and skinny.

03-03-2011, 01:14 AM	#39
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Disney -- I know the common wisdom is that you can't gain muscle on a calorie deficit, but I actually am not sure I entirely believe that... I actually have gained muscle while being in deficit before, I am fairly sure of this. A couple of years ago I lost a lot of weight due to being quite ill (major gut problems) -- I literally couldn't tolerate solid food for several months, and I worked out a lot during that time to combat muscle loss. I ended up building muscles, despite being unable to eat anywhere near the calories I should theoretically have been consuming. I got stronger, and some of my muscles definitely developed. This last bit of muscle gain would have occurred on p3, anyhow... definitely not a calorie deficit there! I am a bit confused as to how much of the recent gain is muscle, how much is fat, and how much was just one of those weird water-weight blips on the radar... but I am fairly sure at least some of it is due to muscle. Hhcg complicates the equation a lot, too, as we are theoretically getting a lot of usable calories from our fat due to the hhcg/hcg. What I am really hoping for is reshaping -- leaning out the fat percentages a bit more, and seeing more muscle definition. If I can just maintain my muscle mass in p2, I will be mighty pleased with that. I am only aiming for a 23 day round in any case, so we aren't talking a long time in any event, and I am only aiming to lose between five and ten pounds.... I really don't think I would look good any lower than that, unless my body ends up really surprising me. I definitely stil have some fat I can afford to part with....lol. It doesn't show in jeans, but naked is another matter altogether. If I find workouts too difficult on the 500 calories, I will up the protein. I want to continue working out this time around, even if it means slower losses. This is going to be one of those "play it by ear" scenarios, with day to day adjustments as need be -- but I will stick as close to the protocol as I can tolerate physically. I have no real problem with getting into a groove and staying the course on things, but the physical limits are another thing altogether. __________________ Rogue p2 cycling: 8/28:128.6 .... 10/7 118.4 ....10/20: 115.8

03-03-2011, 05:20 AM	#41
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	If you were working out and still dieting you would have been losing fat and maintaining muscle, which would give the illusion of gaining muscle mass for sure. It is extreamly hard to build muscle for women period, let alone while dieting BUT, you are right Mini, the hhCG might change that equation. I think it is smart to listen to your body. Therre have been days I was fine working out and days my body was screaming for rest or more fuel Donna- it sounds like you aren't tolerating the calories + running. Have you tried adding more protein? I also find eating my fruit before I workout and protein after helps __________________ Pre-pregnancy: 118.0 Pregnancy: 153.5 Postpartum 1/10/13: 142.0 5/9: 123.6 Goal: 109

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03-02-2011, 03:30 AM	#31
Ginja Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 243 Gallery: Ginja Stats: 212/171/150 WOE: hHcg 'Ginja-style' Start Date: January 24 2011	I had decided I didn't want to exercise in p3 because I didn't want to have to deal with the water fluctuations, i'm already having enough scale issues (well in p2 I was, I have been within my ldw everyday so far in my p3) but I am missing my super callan. I also have Leslie Sansone I could do that too but I get that kind of walking around my campus twice a week. May start the exercise again. Undecided.

03-02-2011, 06:35 AM	#33
coconut4YA Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: TEXAS Posts: 26 Gallery: coconut4YA Stats: 169 WOE: hcg Start Date: feb 15	I HAVE BEEN SIMI EXERCISING SINCE I STARTED LAST WEEK... YESTERDAY I DID DO A NEW DANCE WORKOUT FOR YOUR BUTT.. BRAZIAN BUTTLIFT AND DID GET A LITTLE SORE. I AM UP 2LBS TODAY =[ NEED ADVICE IS IT WATER OR A ACTUAL WEIGHT GAIN? I DID NOT EAT ANYTHING DIFFERENT THEN I HAVE BEEN ON PLAN. HELP!! SO UPSETTING TO SEE

03-02-2011, 08:22 AM	#34
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	If you didn't eat anything off then of course it isn't fat gain. It's takes an EXTRA 3500 calories to gain a pound of fat

03-02-2011, 02:46 PM	#35
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I am thinking at least part of my recent gain is muscle -- I am definitely showing more of that, and I like it. I am going to do some protocol tweaking (yes, going rogue after all! I am nothing if not indecisive sometimes....) and see if I can lean out a bit more..... will keep working out, however, and try to be zen about the scale.

03-02-2011, 05:46 PM	#36
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	Remember you can gain muscle while in a calorie defect. It's not possible- you can reshape I'll be following you mini! Best of luck! I'm taking a few days off exercise. I'm sick and my son is sick

03-02-2011, 08:15 PM	#37
Lil Donna Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,331 Gallery: Lil Donna Stats: 143/anything less Start Date: JUDDD started 10/22/12	I hope someone can answer this or help me in some way. Summary: Just finished Couch to 5k this past Sunday. I took my final run outside and previously all my runs had been on a treadmill. I was soooo sore on Sunday after the run. My knees hurt so bad. My whole body still hurts a lot. I never had soreness from the treadmill. Now tonight, I tried to run on the treadmill and just couldn't do more than 3 minutes when I was running/jogging for 40 minutes previously. Could this be the HHCG? I started on Monday VLC. P2. Could it just be my body resisting? Too low of calories to give me the energy I need? I feel fine, maybe a little tired but I was ready to jump on the treadmill and give it a go but just couldn't do it. I am very, very upset that I have come so far and now I can't do anything. I wanted to do the St. Patricks Day 5k but I just don't know what to do now. I need to be training for it right now. I really need to keep running for my health and well being. I will take any suggestions to get back on track.... HELP!

03-02-2011, 08:20 PM	#38
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	lil donna - sorry you're experiencing this! my thought would be that running as you have been used to doing won't really be possible on 500 calories, especially ketosis calories, if that makes sense. you'll be able to continue light exercise for your health but without that readily available glucose, i think you'll have issues with heavy running. you could increase calories in the form of protein. hopefully someone else who exercised heavily through P2 will chime in here...

03-03-2011, 07:29 AM	#42
mousie tartufo Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 754 Gallery: mousie tartufo Stats: 216/169/140? WOE: hhcg/low carb	Oh, and Lil Donna? I forgot - Congrats on graduating the C25k program!!! Whether outside or on a treadmill, that's still a great achievement! YAY YOU!!! Also, what Disney said. You're going to need extra protein, especially if you run outside. You'll be doing a lot of muscle/bone/ligament repair, and that needs protein. If you're not taking in enough through diet, your body will strip it from some muscles on order to rebuild others. During my first P2, I ate one extra serving per day, in the form of a protein shake (easily assimilated), 20-30 minutes after exercise. Gives the body a quick source for muscle rebuilding. Didn't affect my protocol at all; I lost 17 pounds the first round.

03-03-2011, 07:57 AM	#43
BusyMomOf4 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 521 Gallery: BusyMomOf4 Stats: 197.4/LDW=128.8/125-127 WOE: hHcg Start Date: R1-9/15/10,R2-1/2/11,R3-2/7/11,R4-9/4/11,R5-2/19	Disney, What time of day do you work out? I want to continue my exercise regimen (which I just restarted last week) this next round (which I'm starting on Monday). But... I have to exercise at 6am before my 4 beautiful children are up. My goal is Curves on M-W-F, and either my stairmaster or WATP dvds T-TH-SA (although Saturdays are iffy). Any thoughts? I'd appreciate any insight anyone can give. TIA!

03-03-2011, 08:06 AM	#44
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	I go in the evenings. I nanny during the day and am caring for my 1 year old on my own so i have to go when the daycare at the gym is available after my "other child" is gone.

03-03-2011, 08:47 AM	#45
BusyMomOf4 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 521 Gallery: BusyMomOf4 Stats: 197.4/LDW=128.8/125-127 WOE: hHcg Start Date: R1-9/15/10,R2-1/2/11,R3-2/7/11,R4-9/4/11,R5-2/19	I guess I just didn't know if I should have my fruit and protein that early in the morning. I thought I might just try to have an apple when I get home. I used to have it at 10am. I guess I'll just have to see how it goes. I may need to add in some extra protein in the morning after my exercise.

03-03-2011, 12:07 PM	#47
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Oh, Donna -- BIG HUGS!!! You are doing fantastically well! So glad you got your question answered in a way that explained what is going on. Disney -- perhaps you are right... perhaps I simply maintained my muscles, and they just looked bigger due to the loss and the change of body ratios (I wasn't dieting at the time, actually -- just having some major health problems that precluded eating.) I was so scared of losing muscle, I was working out like crazy. I DID gain a lot of strength during that time, though... that much I can say for sure. I actually gain muscle extremely easily for a woman -- that's a blessing. I really wonder how the whole hhcg thing figures in...? I am going to try to listen to my body, and respect its needs and limitations. I do suspect I will be doing a bit more than the 500 calories on workout days, and will try not to panic about the darned ups and downs on the scale due to exercise.

03-03-2011, 11:21 PM	#49
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I did a Bar Method workout tonight, and they are definitely getting easier now that I have been working out again for a few weeks. I love that feeling!! I am totally jonesing for some new exercise tapes, so I think I will invest in some soon. My roommate and I work out together, which helps immensely with motivation, and is also a lot of fun. I am thinking about adding in a bit of heavier lifting one day a week -- I don't belong to a gym (and can't afford to join one) -- but am thinking about reincorporating some of the old FIRM tapes -- some of those are pretty great.

03-04-2011, 05:11 AM	#50
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	Jillian michaels 30 day shred isn't heavy weights (5pound dbs) but it is a good metabolic workout to mix things up

03-04-2011, 05:21 AM	#51
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Happy Friday ladies! No change for me today on the scale which I am pretty happy about. Who knew you could be happy about seeing the scale NOT move? But the last couple of weeks, although I've been in my window the whole time, have been a veritable rollercoaster of weight. Up a pound, down 2 pounds, UP 3 pounds, down 2 pounds, down a pound, UP 2 pounds. Geesh! It's mentally taxing! A good workout for the old psyche though! Hope everyone has a fantastic weekend. I am sure looking forward to it!

03-04-2011, 10:39 AM	#53
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I think today is a cardio day for me -- I will be doing a lot of physical housework, anyhow, and will just run with the flow. I am going to order some new workouts tonight Now... what to get??? I definitely want the newest bar method dvd, which is just out, but may wait until the price drops a bit. More urban rebounding I think, and a couple more of the Core Fusion dvds that I don't yet have.... Anyone tried the Callanetics Evolution? I have the regular Callanetics tapes (and yes, they are tapes) -- and I do like them quite a bit, particularly Super Callanetics. I just get to the point where I have memorized the entire tape, all the dialogue, etc... and need to mix it up a bit more. Have I mentioned that I LOOOOVE my workouts???

03-08-2011, 01:52 PM	#54
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	Bumping! Worked out yesterday fir the first time in 5 days! Felt good. I did weight training and 30 minutes if steady state cardio. Couldn't get anything in today but tomorrow is spin class

03-08-2011, 02:31 PM	#55
halebop Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 365 Gallery: halebop Stats: 195/180/135	I'd love some advice.... A few years ago I was very active with weights and cardio (I even competed in figure / fitness but that was over 10 years ago - sigh) Anyway, I've been completely inactive for awhile now so I knew P2 wasn't the time to start exercising. But now I find myself wanting to get back into it again. If I were to start up with an easy workout routine in P3 for 3 weeks and then 3 weeks in P4 - would it be ok to maintain it when I start P2 again for my 2nd round of HCG? I know you shouldn't begin exercising in P2 but if I've got 6 weeks in before my next P2, would that be ok to keep it up? Thanks!

03-08-2011, 03:21 PM	#56
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	I started weights and pilates in P3. Gained a little water weight from muscle soreness but that dropped off after a couple of days. It should be fine.

03-08-2011, 06:08 PM	#58
DisneyPrincess Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Camp Lejeune, N.C. Posts: 34,527 Gallery: DisneyPrincess WOE: Lower Carb Weight Watchers Start Date: 3/1/13	Starting in p3 would be fine, as would continuing into another round of p2. Dr S said don't start any NEW exercise in p2. He didn't say not to exercise. You could even start in p2 IMO, you just have to factor in possible water gains

03-08-2011, 07:33 PM	#59
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I am on workout hiatus until I am feeling better -- hope it isn't long. Reasonably speaking, this break will be a good time for my muscles to repair and regenerate, too -- I am sometimes a bit guilty of overtraining, and neglecting to include adquate rest days during the week. I am working on improving that. I know that rest days are just as important as workout days to achieving one's goals.

03-08-2011, 07:38 PM	#60
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Just my early p2 rogue interpretation -- working out requires that I add more food overall to the protocol. I am adding mostly protein, and a few veggie/fruit carbs too -- still only averaging about 750 calories a day, which seems like a lot compared to the max of 500 -- but it makes the workouts possible. I really think that on the 500, while trying to work out, I was beginning to lose muscle mass --and that is NOT what I want. I want fat loss, and muscle maintenance... and in p3, I will want some muscle gains, and continued fat loss. I want to be lean, muscular, and toned.. not gaunt and/or floppy and skinny.