Diabetes HCG

[stardustshadow]

Hey everyone...

I am doing a little research, as I found out that I know very little about the HCG diet.

Maybe you can help me or point me in the direction of where to find the information I'd like to know!?

First of all, what book should I read about HCG if I want to learn about the protocol? I see that I can read (apparently for free) the original Pounds and Inches by Dr. ATW Simeons.

There is also a book called 'HCG Diet Made Simple' by Harmony Clearwater Grace (the collected wisdom of an HCG forum). Has anyone read this and is it worthwhile, because it is expensive!

What is the difference (if there is one) between HCG and Simeons? If Simeon is the same Simeon who came up with HCG then I am confused

Do you have to take injections on HCG? Is it possible to lose weight as effectively with the drops only?

Where does one get the drops? Does anyone know of a reputable website (preferably in the UK or EU) where these can be ordered, or a specific brand that is best? There seem to be a lot of scams out there.

Can a diabetic (a very well controlled one) do HCG?

I am not yet doing HCG. I have been doing Atkins, but am very stalled. I want to read up on it in the eventuality that I cannot break my stall. I know that there are some people who have been very successful on hCG.... I am curious and want to educate myself before considering anything!

Thank you all for your help! It is much appreciated!

[hollyree]

Originally Posted by stardustshadow

Hey everyone...

I am doing a little research, as I found out that I know very little about the HCG diet.

Maybe you can help me or point me in the direction of where to find the information I'd like to know!?

First of all, what book should I read about HCG if I want to learn about the protocol? I see that I can read (apparently for free) the original Pounds and Inches by Dr. ATW Simeons.

There is also a book called 'HCG Diet Made Simple' by Harmony Clearwater Grace (the collected wisdom of an HCG forum). Has anyone read this and is it worthwhile, because it is expensive!

What is the difference (if there is one) between HCG and Simeons? If Simeon is the same Simeon who came up with HCG then I am confused

Do you have to take injections on HCG? Is it possible to lose weight as effectively with the drops only?

Where does one get the drops? Does anyone know of a reputable website (preferably in the UK or EU) where these can be ordered, or a specific brand that is best? There seem to be a lot of scams out there.

Can a diabetic (a very well controlled one) do HCG?

I am not yet doing HCG. I have been doing Atkins, but am very stalled. I want to read up on it in the eventuality that I cannot break my stall. I know that there are some people who have been very successful on hCG.... I am curious and want to educate myself before considering anything!

Thank you all for your help! It is much appreciated!

You do know that HCG stands for human chorionic gonadotropin and not the acronym for just some random diet? Not in anyway to insult your intelligence but I was getting this impression from reading your question. But it may just be the way I was reading it so please don't take offense. My first suggestion would be to read the Pounds and Inches by Dr. Simeon. He developed this diet using hcg. And yes, you can download it for free. Honestly, start there as it will explain tons and answer most of your questions. Simeon did develop the diet protocol but he did not come up with "HCG" as that is the hormone that is produced when a woman is pregnant. There should be links posted up in the "Sticky" area at the top of this forum. I hope this helps some and at least gets you pointed in the right direction.
As far as the book you were talking about, me personally, I wouldn't waste my money on that because you can find out everything you need to know by reading Pounds and Inches and then if you still have questions or need clarification on things this forum is an excellent source of information if you just sift through it. Hope this has helped you a little bit

[hollyree]

OK, sorry. I don't think there is a link to P&I in the above "Sticky" links. Google "Pounds and Inches" by Dr. Simeon and you should be able to find it. I'm sorry I don't have a link to post for you. Someone else may have one they can post

[Stevie Renee]

Originally Posted by hollyree

OK, sorry. I don't think there is a link to P&I in the above "Sticky" links. Google "Pounds and Inches" by Dr. Simeon and you should be able to find it. I'm sorry I don't have a link to post for you. Someone else may have one they can post

You are right Hollyree, there is a sticky with the link

Its hidden first page right here.

Simeon's Protocol Recipes Only

[LowcarbFan]

I think everyone is an individual. Some diabetic persons may not be able to do the diet and some may depending on their certain diet limitations. You really need to talk to your own doctor about it. Only your doctor will know your particular issues so you need to make an appointment with them and show them what the diet is about.

[mermaid]

I am diabetic and tried one round of homeopathic HCG two years ago, which I had to quit due to excessive hunger and some weakness and spaciness. You would think that I would never try it again, but alas I am trying it again starting tomorrow.

One of the benefits of the 12 days I survived of it was that it did seam to tweak my hormones back to the normal side, improved my vision back to 20/20 (amazing), and normalized my blood sugar for a long time. I did gain back the 7 or 8 pounds I lost, but I did not follow the P3 protocol. I think that I will have more success this time by: using a different brand, not eating the bread or fruit, and eating a little extra protein if I get hungry. I also take bovine thyroid, sepia, and serious iodine supplements now which stabilize me.

Of the questions you asked, I can answer a few.

There are three ways to do the HCG diet: injections, sublingual HCG with the same formula, or sublingual homeopathic HCG. The homeopathic does not require a prescription and is a little cheaper, though not much by my recent research. Most people take 125-200 iu per day of the injections, and more is required for the sublingual--around 175 to 300 iu. The homeopathic is taken 3-6 times a day measured in drops or also in tablets now. You can find an amazing array of homeopathic pills or drops on the BIG A or EB for anywhere from $12 to $80 a bottle. Looking at the reviews on the Big A can be enlightening and confusing at the same time.

You will find rave reviews for all three methods, but not by all who try them. I joined a thread on LCF today where most seem to be doing the homeopathic and doing great. I'm going to see if that works first, and if not, I will try the sublingual HCG that is not homeopathic. Probably I won't do the injections, but I know many who have and did very well.

Most people try to stick to the 500 calorie protocol by Dr. Simeon, but I was glad to see that a lot of people can get away with tweaking it and they still get success. Some even do 800 calories a day and still lose, but a little slower. I am going to try some cottage cheese, tuna, whey protein, and glucomannan noodles since it more closely matches my tastes and might help me keep going.

It's supposed to be mostly safe (even beneficial) for diabetics, with maybe a dip or two in blood sugar on a round of HCG, for which you should remedy with just enough sugar to bring it back up, then keep going. I have read that most diabetics have no problem whatsoever. I did not have a problem with blood sugar in the 12 days I did it, just raging hunger. If you take meds, those may need careful watching and adjusting by a physician.

The only other thing I can say is that the dosage of HCG can vary, and my problem was most likely related to taking too little, and also from eating the bread and fruit, which induced cravings. If you have too much or too little HCG, it can cause hunger.

Hopefully others with more experience can chime in here. I am still seeking more information too. I am especially interested in people who have switched from injections or sublingual to homeopathic. I am also interested in what brands or sources people use.

I do think LCF is the best source for honest "in the trenches" information. Others are just trying to sell you something.

[stardustshadow]

Originally Posted by hollyree

You do know that HCG stands for human chorionic gonadotropin and not the acronym for just some random diet? Not in anyway to insult your intelligence but I was getting this impression from reading your question. But it may just be the way I was reading it so please don't take offense. My first suggestion would be to read the Pounds and Inches by Dr. Simeon. He developed this diet using hcg. And yes, you can download it for free. Honestly, start there as it will explain tons and answer most of your questions. Simeon did develop the diet protocol but he did not come up with "HCG" as that is the hormone that is produced when a woman is pregnant. There should be links posted up in the "Sticky" area at the top of this forum. I hope this helps some and at least gets you pointed in the right direction.
As far as the book you were talking about, me personally, I wouldn't waste my money on that because you can find out everything you need to know by reading Pounds and Inches and then if you still have questions or need clarification on things this forum is an excellent source of information if you just sift through it. Hope this has helped you a little bit

Thanks, and yes, I do know
I've known for a couple of months, since my pregnant friend had to get her Hcg checked....and I thought 'wait, there is an HcG diet, is that using the same hormone....?' So I checked and found out that it was.

[Danceruk]

I am in the UK and now doing my second round

I have found the homeopathic very good as have a lot of others here - have a good read, read the original manuscript and learn all you can before deciding if you want to give it a go!

Not sure on the diabetic thing - would need to monitor closely and maybe add in more protein/calories - would need to play it by ear.

Hope that helps some

[C'Marie]

In the original manuscript, "Pounds & Inches," Dr. Simeons does discuss the issue of diabetes, I believe. He says that the blood sugar will level out, leading many to have to watch the blood sugar levels and perhaps modify the insulin. He discusses having to have a teeny bit of sugar on hand in case an adjustment is needed, but that it only happens rarely.

Here's a quote:

"Diabetes

In an obese patient suffering from a fairly advanced case of stable diabetes of many years duration in which the blood sugar may range from 3-400 mg%, it is often possible to stop all antidiabetic medication after the first few days of treatment. The blood sugar continues to drop from day to day and often reaches normal values in 2-3 weeks. As in pregnancy, this phenomenon is not observed in the brittle type of diabetes, and as some cases that are predominantly stable may have a small brittle factor in their clinical makeup, all obese diabetics have to be kept under a very careful and expert watch.

A brittle case of diabetes is primarily due to the inability of the pancreas to produce sufficient insulin, while in the stable type, diencephalic regulations seem to be of greater importance. That is possibly the reason why the stable form responds so well to the HCG method of treating obesity, whereas the brittle type does not. Obese patients are generally suffering from the stable type, but a stable type may gradually change into a brittle one, which is usually associated with a loss of weight. Thus, when an obese diabetic finds that he is losing weight without diet or treatment, he should at once have his diabetes expertly attended to. There is some evidence to suggest that the change from stable to brittle is more liable to occur in patients who are taking insulin for their stable diabetes. "

And here's the quote about blood sugar.

"Blood Sugar

Towards the end of a course or when a patient has nearly reached his normal weight it occasionally happens that the blood sugar drops below normal, and we have even seen this in patients who had an abnormally high blood sugar before treatment. Such an attack of hypoglycemia is almost identical with the one seen in diabetics who have taken too much insulin. The attack comes on suddenly; there is the same feeling of light-headedness, weakness in the knees, trembling, and unmotivated sweating; but under HCG hypoglycemia does not produce any feeling of hunger. All these symptoms are almost instantly relieved by taking two heaped teaspoons of sugar.

In the course of treatment the possibility of such an attack is explained to those patients who are in a phase in which a drop in blood sugar may occur. They are instructed to keep sugar or glucose sweets handy, particularly when driving a car. They are also told to watch the effect of taking sugar very carefully and report the following day. This is important, because anxious patients to whom such an attack has been explained are apt to take sugar unnecessarily, in which case it inevitably produces a gain in weight and does not dramatically relieve the symptoms for which it was taken, proving that these were not due to hypoglycemia. Some patients mistake the effects of emotional stress for hypoglycemia. When the symptoms are quickly relieved by sugar this is proof that they were indeed due to an abnormal lowering of the blood sugar, and in that case there is no increase in the weight on the following day. We always suggest that sugar be taken if the patient is in doubt.

Once such an attack has been relieved with sugar we have never seen it recur on the immediately subsequent days, and only very rarely does a patient have two such attacks separated by several days during a course of treatment. In patients who have not eaten sufficiently during the first two days of treatment we sometimes give sugar when the minor symptoms usually felt during the first three days of treatment continue beyond that time, and in some cases this has seemed to speed up the euphoria ordinarily associated with the HCG method. "

Hope this helps.

[stardustshadow]

Okay, Thanks everyone for your help and information! I did not have a chance for a proper reply after the first one because I was getting ready to go to work and had to run!

So yeah, there is a lot of information. I am downloading/reading Pounds and Inches and I will give it a read to see if this might be something for me.
From the quoted parts here, it does indeed look safe for someone like me.

I am diabetic, but do not take insulin. I already have blood sugars which are in the normal range for non diabetics (you wouldn't even know I was a diabetic unless you pumped me full of sugar and watched my blood sugar. The way I eat now, it is totally under control). I doubt I would have many problems. I would just have to be careful the first few days until I adjusted. It could be possible that my diabetes meds would have to be cut down, but I would see how my body reacted after starting.

There certainly is a lot to think about. I am starting to read the manuscript by Dr. Simeon...it looks pretty compelling.

What kind of sucess have you had on the plan? Have those of you who follow this plan/treatment done it youself or gone to a clinic?

Who uses injections/drops/homeopathic drops?

What has your weight loss been like?

What about hunger?

Sorry to have so many questions!! I just want to be as informed as I can before I decide to do anything!

I have about 50 to 60 pounds left to lose. My body has stalled out on Atkins and I can't budge the scale (plus, after induction the weight loss was SO SLOW). I am wondering if maybe this plan is a better fit for me....but I guess we will see!

[stardustshadow]

Originally Posted by Danceruk

I am in the UK and now doing my second round

I have found the homeopathic very good as have a lot of others here - have a good read, read the original manuscript and learn all you can before deciding if you want to give it a go!

Not sure on the diabetic thing - would need to monitor closely and maybe add in more protein/calories - would need to play it by ear.

Hope that helps some

This is really great to know! I am glad to see that someone else not in North America has had access to the drops. There seems to be a LOT of scams and misinformation out there when I have tried to figure out where to buy them...so this calms me a bit!

Where do you get them, if you don't mind my asking....
If I decide to do this, I will need a source outside of Denmark (you cannot get them here, as far as I can tell) but in the EU.

[Danceruk]

I order mine direct from homeopath - they will deliver UK & Europe

Either drops, spray or granules!

Hope some diabetics drop in to help you out a bit more with that aspect

[stardustshadow]

Originally Posted by Danceruk

I order mine direct from homeopath - they will deliver UK & Europe

Either drops, spray or granules!

Hope some diabetics drop in to help you out a bit more with that aspect

Thank you! I will check that out. How has your success been with HCG? I see you did other programs as well...was that before?

[Danceruk]

Yes before I did modified atkins, lost 45lb on that

I used hcg for final shaping/problem area's ..now doing another round to drop down a bit before wedding planning starts. I find it really helps whittle down my waist area/thighs especially!

Hope that helps

[stardustshadow]

Originally Posted by Danceruk

Yes before I did modified atkins, lost 45lb on that

I used hcg for final shaping/problem area's ..now doing another round to drop down a bit before wedding planning starts. I find it really helps whittle down my waist area/thighs especially!

Hope that helps

Hmmm!! It might. I have done Atkins and lost 47 pounds. I have at least 50 more to lose (maybe 10 over that, who knows until I get there!!).

After induction, weight just came off SO SLOWLY and then after a few months stopped coming off at all. Which is why I am looking into this.

[dawnyama]

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Looks like I am coming to this late, but wanted to give you my take. I am doing this diet because I have ALL my hormones out of whack, not just the blood sugar!!! My fasting blood sugar in the labwork I had done is way high and my doc doesn't want to label me as pre-diabetic, but I am! So with that I have done well on the hcg. I have lost 40 pounds and my after pic is in my avitar! Good luck with your researching.

As per the book you referenced above, it is NOT necessary as you can find all the info from the book online for free. But she has put it all in one place. She (Harmony) is a moderator of a yahoo groups I am on. She gives great advice and if you want further information I say get it, but again not necessary. debkeversole has even found a bunch of free hcg recipes on the net. So you don't need to buy a recipe/cookbook either.

[stardustshadow]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

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Looks like I am coming to this late, but wanted to give you my take. I am doing this diet because I have ALL my hormones out of whack, not just the blood sugar!!! My fasting blood sugar in the labwork I had done is way high and my doc doesn't want to label me as pre-diabetic, but I am! So with that I have done well on the hcg. I have lost 40 pounds and my after pic is in my avitar! Good luck with your researching.

As per the book you referenced above, it is NOT necessary as you can find all the info from the book online for free. But she has put it all in one place. She (Harmony) is a moderator of a yahoo groups I am on. She gives great advice and if you want further information I say get it, but again not necessary. debkeversole has even found a bunch of free hcg recipes on the net. So you don't need to buy a recipe/cookbook either.

No comment or advice is ever too late!! Your story is very helpful!
Your avatar looks GREAT by the way!!
Wonderful job!

Did you use injections, drops or the homeopathic drops?

[dawnyama]

I took the homeopathic hcg. When I started I didn't know about the spray and the pellets have come about since I started as well. So I used the drops only.

[stardustshadow]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I took the homeopathic hcg.

Good to know...well, it really seems to have worked for yoU!

[mermaid]

You might find a lot of good info here on LCF on the alternative HCG weekly thread. I have learned way more there than I have cruising the whole internet. I just finished loading and will start VLC or phase I protocol tomorrow. I will be posting on that thread.

I am starting out with Mediral homeopathic drops, but I just ordered some pellets to try next.