P2~ Newbies Going For It! Week 2~ January 10th

[Lil Donna]

This thread is for Newbies to track how they are doing and pretty much anything they want. We are here to support each other and welcome the experienced HCGer anytime.

Can we have a report of everyone week 1's losses both pre-load and post load?

[minimonkey]

Yay, a new thread! Thanks, Donna!

I am rolling right along, and very pleased with my progress so far. I had an art opening tonight (I was one of the artists) -- and I resisted all the goodies and the wine... I did eat a small apple, and two bites of a fruit salad... one bite melon, one bit strawberry. I then ate some roast beef when I got home, so I suppose this was almost like a mini steak day. We will see what the scale thinks tomorrow.

I wore clothing to the opening that was too small before I started hcg... so, so cool! I can't believe how fast this works, and how well!

[hollyree]

Today is VLCD7 and I am down 7.8lbs from post load weight and 7.6 lbs from pre-load weight (didn't really gain a whole lot during load). I still feel like I'm holding fluid a little bit. Don't know what that's about since I stayed away from the cabbage yesterday! Maybe my body is just trying to catch up. Anyway, I'm not complaining-I've lost basically 1lb day. I'll take it!

[azjacque]

Oh! There you all are.. thought I'd lost ya!

I posted on our old thread..oops. Thanks for starting this week Donnna!
How are you doing?

I'm down almost 12 pounds, I'm on VLC day 9!

[lucky_d]

P2D1 (loading): 169.4
P2D2 (loading): 170.0
P2D3 (VLCD 1): 170.8
P2D4 (VLCD 2): 168.6
P2D5 (VLCD 3): 167.4
P2D6 (VLCD 4): 165.8 *hunger reduced and very energetic!
P2D7 (VLCD 5): 165.2
P2D7 (VLCD 6): 165.8 (+.6 TOM)
P2D8 (VLCD 7): 164.0
P2D9 (VLCD 8): 163.6
P2D10 (VLCD 9): 163.2
P2D11 (VLCD 10): 163.2

Well, I hit a snag today and didn't lose anything. This is about par for the course for me on any diet. I do it by the book and it works great for about a week and then blammo, plateau city. Oh well, at least on this one I lost more before hitting the plateau. 6.8 lbs in 10 VLCD days is phenomenal for me, but not really too good in comparison with the average HCGer. I will stick with it for now. Dr. S said that sometimes these things happen due to water taking the place of the fat. I'm going to keep going by the book and not be tempted to tweak and see if he is right.

[Lil Donna]

Preload loss: 149 to 147 2 lbs
Post load loss: 151 to 147 4 lbs

Not really that impressive, huh?

I hope everyone found their way here. I thought I left a note on the last thread but I don't see it.

[Lil Donna]

Originally Posted by azjacque

Oh! There you all are.. thought I'd lost ya!

I posted on our old thread..oops. Thanks for starting this week Donnna!
How are you doing?

I'm down almost 12 pounds, I'm on VLC day 9!

Okay Jacque, you are doing tremendously well. Can you post what you are doing? Menus, exercise, supplements, brand of HCG...

Us slow-goers need to know!

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by Lil Donna

Preload loss: 149 to 147 2 lbs
Post load loss: 151 to 147 4 lbs

Not really that impressive, huh?

I hope everyone found their way here. I thought I left a note on the last thread but I don't see it.

What day are you on Donna?

[Lil Donna]

Originally Posted by phxheelgirl

What day are you on Donna?

I'm on VLC day 10.

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by azjacque

Oh! There you all are.. thought I'd lost ya!

I posted on our old thread..oops. Thanks for starting this week Donnna!
How are you doing?

I'm down almost 12 pounds, I'm on VLC day 9!

Congrats Jacque! Our results are similar. I have 9 completed day (on D10) and I'm down 13.6 lbs! Feels great doesn't it?!

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by Lil Donna

I'm on VLC day 10.

Wow...I'm sorry you are not seeing better losses! I can share what I'm doing but I can't say I am an expert by any means...or that it will work for everyone. Only that so far its been stellar for me. Interested?

[lucky_d]

Originally Posted by phxheelgirl

Wow...I'm sorry you are not seeing better losses! I can share what I'm doing but I can't say I am an expert by any means...or that it will work for everyone. Only that so far its been stellar for me. Interested?

Please do share! I am already liking your advice from the other thread about veggies. Spill it!

[hollyree]

Originally Posted by lucky_d

Please do share! I am already liking your advice from the other thread about veggies. Spill it!

I'm interested in hearing this as well! Is it what you posted on the other thread about more veggies and no fruit?

[azjacque]

Originally Posted by Lil Donna

Okay Jacque, you are doing tremendously well. Can you post what you are doing? Menus, exercise, supplements, brand of HCG...

Us slow-goers need to know!

Donna - hang in there girl! I would be frustrated too though. I don't know why I've had an easier loss. I am following the strict protocol minus the melba/grissini..I just don't feel the hunger or for that matter, I don't like them very much.
I just eat chicken breasts grilled, and my omelette with 1 whole egg and 2 egg whites, I also have my apples or grapefruit. I drink coffee with splenda and herbal tea with splenda and lots of water!

I think my whole thing is that I went so overboard on food and DRINK during the time from Thanksgiving to NY eve that my body is just dumping all that toxic crap! LOL. I'm sure I will slow down soon.

[phxheelgirl]

Gosh ladies...I'm not an expert and feel bad about giving anyone advice! But here is what I'm doing...

• Like I said on the other thread I never have the grissini/melba. Just have no need for it.
• Sometimes I have one fruit (like a mid morning breakfast/snack) or sometimes in the evening if I find I'm hungry late. But usually I have only 1 of the 2 servings or 0 servings of fruit.
• I eat whatever veggies I want. I like celery, radishes, asp., and cucumbers so I do tend to eat a lot of those. But I've also had peppers, onions (like in something), cauliflower, etc. I've also had salads a few times. A few lunches ago I had a steak salad (eaten out...with all the fixins, cheese, nuts, peppers, onions, DRESSING, etc.) and none of this has impacted me. In fact, the next day I had a 3.8 lb loss!
  • I also sometimes have a small slice (less than an oz.) of cheese in the morning.
  • I also have maybe 1/2 tsp of PB from time to time, maybe once every day or two, if i get really hunger.
  • I eat mostly chicken, steak, and shrimp for my protein.
  • I sometimes have about an 8 oz glass of skim milk with my dinner at night.
  • I've not adjusted any products I use, like lotions, etc. Again, no impact to me.
  • Oh and I naturally drink tons of water. Like a gallon a day. But thats typical for me.
  so there it is! Nothing fancy. Can't say I'm an expert, but I can say its working for me! Hope that helps!

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[phxheelgirl]

PS my first time posting with bullets so did not go well! Sorry about that mess!

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by azjacque

Donna - hang in there girl! I would be frustrated too though. I don't know why I've had an easier loss. I am following the strict protocol minus the melba/grissini..I just don't feel the hunger or for that matter, I don't like them very much.
I just eat chicken breasts grilled, and my omelette with 1 whole egg and 2 egg whites, I also have my apples or grapefruit. I drink coffee with splenda and herbal tea with splenda and lots of water!

I think my whole thing is that I went so overboard on food and DRINK during the time from Thanksgiving to NY eve that my body is just dumping all that toxic crap! LOL. I'm sure I will slow down soon.

You know, this could be the reason for me too! I was eating sooo bad since October! So maybe its a fluke?

[azjacque]

Originally Posted by phxheelgirl

You know, this could be the reason for me too! I was eating sooo bad since October! So maybe its a fluke?

I know....?? I want to be at 150, so I may really struggle down the line.

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by azjacque

I know....?? I want to be at 150, so I may really struggle down the line.

Oh girl...thats amazing! You are only 20ish lbs from goal!! Honestly, thats great! Thinking positive and praying for no struggles!

[hollyree]

Originally Posted by phxheelgirl

Gosh ladies...I'm not an expert and feel bad about giving anyone advice! But here is what I'm doing...

• Like I said on the other thread I never have the grissini/melba. Just have no need for it.
• Sometimes I have one fruit (like a mid morning breakfast/snack) or sometimes in the evening if I find I'm hungry late. But usually I have only 1 of the 2 servings or 0 servings of fruit.
• I eat whatever veggies I want. I like celery, radishes, asp., and cucumbers so I do tend to eat a lot of those. But I've also had peppers, onions (like in something), cauliflower, etc. I've also had salads a few times. A few lunches ago I had a steak salad (eaten out...with all the fixins, cheese, nuts, peppers, onions, DRESSING, etc.) and none of this has impacted me. In fact, the next day I had a 3.8 lb loss!
  • I also sometimes have a small slice (less than an oz.) of cheese in the morning.
  • I also have maybe 1/2 tsp of PB from time to time, maybe once every day or two, if i get really hunger.
  • I eat mostly chicken, steak, and shrimp for my protein.
  • I sometimes have about an 8 oz glass of skim milk with my dinner at night.
  • I've not adjusted any products I use, like lotions, etc. Again, no impact to me.
  • Oh and I naturally drink tons of water. Like a gallon a day. But thats typical for me.
  so there it is! Nothing fancy. Can't say I'm an expert, but I can say its working for me! Hope that helps!

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Thanks for posting this!

[azjacque]

Originally Posted by phxheelgirl

Oh girl...thats amazing! You are only 20ish lbs from goal!! Honestly, thats great! Thinking positive and praying for no struggles!

Thanks so much! I really love the support here..I feel it's helping me the most! My husband just says "Good job" every morning when I tell him my loss..I want someone jumping up and down with me!!

You are doing awesome as well! I actually did have a tiny spoonful of peanut butter on Sunday. It was so good, I felt so guilty but it satisfied me for a few days!

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by azjacque

Thanks so much! I really love the support here..I feel it's helping me the most! My husband just says "Good job" every morning when I tell him my loss..I want someone jumping up and down with me!!

You are doing awesome as well! I actually did have a tiny spoonful of peanut butter on Sunday. It was so good, I felt so guilty but it satisfied me for a few days!

Oh my gosh, I know EXACTLY what you mean! I tell my friends "I'm down X lbs!" and I get "Congratulations!" I'm like...wow...I need more! This forum does help with that...for sure! See, I have not felt guilty about that at all! I followed strict protocol last round and have been more lax this round with the same results. So it makes me not feel too bad. Just wish I was as close to goal as you are!!

[emel]

Lost a part of a pound. I'm cool with that.

Decided to eat fish/crab/shrimp more often than I have on my meal plan. Decided I will limit red meat to once or twice a week as an experiment. Rethinking my idea that venison is a good substitute for beef. Resolved to try one unusual vegetable next week -- fennel, chard, beet green, or radish by itself are the candidates. I like all greens but rarely cook them since Husband hates them. I like radishes in salads but am unused to eating them as a stand-alone dish.

I'm doing these things in an attempt to get a super-clean food plan in place so that I can get the most out of this round.

Originally Posted by hollyree

Today is VLCD7 and I am down 7.8lbs from post load weight and 7.6 lbs from pre-load weight (didn't really gain a whole lot during load). I still feel like I'm holding fluid a little bit. Don't know what that's about since I stayed away from the cabbage yesterday! Maybe my body is just trying to catch up. Anyway, I'm not complaining-I've lost basically 1lb day. I'll take it!

I'm leery of cabbage as well. I'm looking at other brassica, to see which one is most like the cabbage they eat in italy (savoy, napa, etc)

Originally Posted by Lil Donna

Okay Jacque, you are doing tremendously well. Can you post what you are doing? Menus, exercise, supplements, brand of HCG...

Us slow-goers need to know!

Donna, may I ask, are you doing the original Simeon's? The reason I ask is that before I read Pounds and Inches a couple times, I ran across what I thought was Simeon protocol on the internet. Turns out what I found has items that never appeared on the original plan, like orange, game/bison, and a few veggies.

I know that folks have different ways of doing this woe. I'm just wondering if it would be helpful to you to review the protocol and pick your amendments, if any, carefully. I don't mean to sound like I'm nagging you. I just really want you to feel great about your woe! I have my fingers crossed for you.

[hollyree]

Originally Posted by emel

Lost a part of a pound. I'm cool with that.

Decided to eat fish/crab/shrimp more often than I have on my meal plan. Decided I will limit red meat to once or twice a week as an experiment. Rethinking my idea that venison is a good substitute for beef. Resolved to try one unusual vegetable next week -- fennel, chard, beet green, or radish by itself are the candidates. I like all greens but rarely cook them since Husband hates them. I like radishes in salads but am unused to eating them as a stand-alone dish.

I'm doing these things in an attempt to get a super-clean food plan in place so that I can get the most out of this round.



I'm leery of cabbage as well. I'm looking at other brassica, to see which one is most like the cabbage they eat in italy (savoy, napa, etc)



Donna, may I ask, are you doing the original Simeon's? The reason I ask is that before I read Pounds and Inches a couple times, I ran across what I thought was Simeon protocol on the internet. Turns out what I found has items that never appeared on the original plan, like orange, game/bison, and a few veggies.

I know that folks have different ways of doing this woe. I'm just wondering if it would be helpful to you to review the protocol and pick your amendments, if any, carefully. I don't mean to sound like I'm nagging you. I just really want you to feel great about your woe! I have my fingers crossed for you.

I think I am going to limit beef as well to maybe 2-3 times a week. I really think that has contributed to the slow down of weight loss the last couple of days. Beef along with the cabbage doesn't seem to agree with me apparently. I'll stick to my chicken and some occasional shrimp I guess.

[lucky_d]

Originally Posted by emel

Turns out what I found has items that never appeared on the original plan, like orange, game/bison, and a few veggies.

Would you post a link to the more original plan? The one I found is a lengthy PDF called "Pounds and Inches" and certainly seems to be written by Dr. Simeons. It doesn't include game/bison but does include oranges.

I think I'm going to try substituting veggies for fruit as my inbetween meal snacks. With all the other substituting going on here I don't think it will hurt to try.

[emel]

Originally Posted by lucky_d

Would you post a link to the more original plan? The one I found is a lengthy PDF called "Pounds and Inches" and certainly seems to be written by Dr. Simeons. It doesn't include game/bison but does include oranges.

I think I'm going to try substituting veggies for fruit as my inbetween meal snacks. With all the other substituting going on here I don't think it will hurt to try.

It is Pounds and Inches.
I got it from a link shown in the first post of this thread:

Simeon's Protocol Recipes Only

The first download I got had oranges and a few more veggies on it. That download said it was Pounds and Inches, too. Weird.

Here's a copy of what the above link says about the meal plan:

Breakfast: Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one
tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or
Stevia may be used.
Lunch: 1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white
fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must
be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat
must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled
without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring,
dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken
breast must be removed from the bird.
2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens,
green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red
radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.
3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.
4. An apple or a handful of strawberries or one-half
grapefruit.
Dinner : The same four choices as lunch.
The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet
basil, parsley, thyme, marjoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing.
Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and
at all times.
In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. Many patients are afraid to drink so much
because they fear that this may make them retain more water. This is a wrong notion as the body is more
inclined to store water when the intake falls below its normal requirements.
The fruit or the breadstick may be eaten between meals instead of with lunch or dinner, but not more than than
four items listed for lunch and dinner may be eaten at one meal.
No medicines or cosmetics other than lipstick, eyebrow pencil and powder may he used without special
permission
Every item in the list is gone over carefully, continually stressing the point that no variations other than those
listed may be introduced. All things not listed are forbidden, and the patient is assured that nothing permissible
has been left out. The 100 grams of meat must he scrupulously weighed raw after all visible fat has been
removed. To do this accurately the patient must have a letter-scale, as kitchen scales are not sufficiently
accurate and the butcher should certainly not be relied upon. Those not uncommon patients who feel that even
so little food is too much for them, can omit anything they wish.
There is no objection to breaking up the two meals. For instance having a breadstick and an apple for breakfast
or before going to bed, provided they are deducted from the regular meals. The whole daily ration of two
breadsticks or two fruits may not be eaten at the same time, nor can any item saved from the previous day be
added on the following day. In the beginning patients are advised to check every meal against their diet sheet
before starting to eat and not to rely on their memory. It is also worth pointing out that any attempt to observe
this diet without HCG will lead to trouble in two to three days. We have had cases in which patients have proudly
flaunted their dieting powers in front of their friends without mentioning the fact that they are also receiving
treatment with HCG. They let their friends try the same diet, and when this proves to be a failure - as it
necessarily must - the patient starts raking in unmerited kudos for superhuman willpower.
It should also be mentioned that two small apples weighing as much as one large one never the less have a
higher caloric value and are therefore not allowed though there is no restriction on the size of one apple. Some
people do not realize that chicken breast does not mean the breast of any other fowl, nor does it mean a wing or
drumstick.
The most tiresome patients are those who start counting calories and then come up with all manner of ingenious
variations which they compile from their little books. When one has spent years of weary research trying to make
a diet as attractive as possible without jeopardizing the loss of weight, culinary geniuses who are out to improve
their unhappy lot are hard to take. Making up the Calories
The diet used in conjunction with HCG must not exceed 500 calories per day, and the way these calories are
made up is of utmost importance. For instance, if a patient drops the apple and eats an extra breadstick instead,
he will not be getting more calories but he will not lose weight. There are a number of foods, particularly fruits
and vegetables, which have the same or even lower caloric values than those listed as permissible, and yet we
find that they interfere with the regular loss of weight under HCG, presumably owing to the nature of their
composition. Pimiento peppers, okra, artichokes and pears are examples of this.
While this diet works satisfactorily in Italy, certain modifications have to be made in other countries. For
instance, American beef has almost double the caloric value of South Italian beef, which is not
marbled with fat. This marbling is impossible to remove. In America, therefore, low-grade veal should be
used for one meal and fish (excluding all those species such as herring, mackerel, tuna, salmon, eel, etc., which
have a high fat content, and all dried, smoked or pickled fish), chicken breast, lobster, crawfish, prawns or
shrimp, crabmeat or kidneys for the other meal. Where the Italian breadsticks, the so-called grissini, are not
available, one Melba toast may be used instead, though they are psychologically less satisfying. A Melba toast
has about the same weight as the very porous grissini which is much more to look at and to chew.
When local conditions or the feeding habits of the population make changes necessary it must be borne in mind
that the total daily intake must not exceed 500 calories if the best possible results are to be obtained, that the
daily ration should contain 200 grams of fat-free protein and a very small amount of starch.
Just as the daily dose of HCG is the same in all cases, so the same diet proves to be satisfactory for a small
elderly lady of leisure or a hard working muscular giant. Under the effect of HCG the obese body is always able
to obtain all the calories it needs from the abnormal fat deposits, regardless of whether it uses up 1500 or 4000
per day. It must be made very clear to the patient that he is living to a far greater extent on the fat which he is
losing than on what he eats.
Many patients ask why eggs are not allowed. The contents of two good sized eggs are roughly equivalent to 100
grams of meat, but unfortunately the yolk contains a large amount of fat, which is undesirable. Very occasionally
we allow egg - boiled, poached or raw - to patients who develop an aversion to meat, but in this case they must
add the white of three eggs to the one they eat whole. In countries where cottage cheese made from skimmed
milk is available 100 grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat, but no other cheeses are allowed.

[lucky_d]

That sounds about the same except I think the original actually did contain oranges. Check out this link:

Pounds & Inches

[Turkeywings]

Lucky, around day 10 it's pretty average to stall a few days.

I too am bring more lax this round. I was totally by the book last round & I'm doing about the same (results wise) this round. So having broccoli or tuna or cauliflower or mixing onion & tomato hasn't really had the effect on me. I've even had a couple whipped cream vodka & coke zero drinks with the girls.

We have another girls night this weekend & I'll try to eat low carb, watch my portion & extra water & hope there isn't a gain.

PHX - thanks for posting about the salad, gives me hope I'll be ok this weekend. What dressing did you use?

[phxheelgirl]

Originally Posted by Turkeywings

Lucky, around day 10 it's pretty average to stall a few days.

I too am bring more lax this round. I was totally by the book last round & I'm doing about the same (results wise) this round. So having broccoli or tuna or cauliflower or mixing onion & tomato hasn't really had the effect on me. I've even had a couple whipped cream vodka & coke zero drinks with the girls.

We have another girls night this weekend & I'll try to eat low carb, watch my portion & extra water & hope there isn't a gain.

PHX - thanks for posting about the salad, gives me hope I'll be ok this weekend. What dressing did you use?

Thanks! I hope it doesn't impact your losses! I would feel terrible! The salad I spoke of had a vinegrette dressing that came with it. I also had a lettuce and radish salad at home last night with ranch. Again, no impact to me (as of right now anyway). Good luck for you!

[minimonkey]

Phx, Jacque --- your losses are amazing! WAY TO GO!

Isn't it funny how greedy we get on this protocol??? We are doing so well, and it is never enough! People are so funny that way.

In my very short time doing this, I have noticed that on the days I don't show scale losses, my body seems to be catching up.. that is when the inches start to show. I know on Atkins that was true for me as well, and it makes a certain amount of sense.

I am staying the course... think I will be aiming for a 40 day round, and hoping to hit 105 by then, and then I will move on to p3. If I still want to lose another 5, I will do another short round later, but that is the plan for now. I always forget how small I really am until I drop weight, and realize that I could easily weigh 100 lbs and be healthy.

SO FAR SO GOOD with the face, too -- not showing any loss there at all! My bra bands are looser, and my ribcage is getting bony, so I am definitely losing some in the upper body, but the cup size doesn't seem to have decreased much (yes! Don't wanna lose there!) -- and my face still looks just fine. I don't mind a scrappy upper body, but I do hate having a gaunt face, so this is good!