Simeon's Protocol - Week of: 11/29/10

[MzMelissa]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

i have to mix rx so i'll do 15 days or so (usually what it makes) and that should put me about 2 weeks before TOM if i started tomorrow...i don't have to load right?!

not if its been less than 14 days since you stopped. (at least thats what I was told) its an interuption not a new round.

[toomuchbooty]

Hi everyone,

I had a much better day today as far as hunger goes. I'm currently eating dinner. I made a huge thing of cabbage soup with shrimp. I used boullion cubes, chinese 5 spice powder, onion powder, salt and pepper. It's really good and the serving is nice and big. You could make it with extra lean beef meatballs or chicken if you eat those proteins. I love anything with 5 spice powder!

I'm also drinking sparkling water with some vanilla creme stevia...it's tasty and helping my water go down easily.

For dessert, I'm going to puree some strawberries with some of the vanilla creme stevia and top it off with sparkling water. It's called a strawberry sparkler! Yum!

[2B Me]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

Hi everyone,

I had a much better day today as far as hunger goes. I'm currently eating dinner. I made a huge thing of cabbage soup with shrimp. I used boullion cubes, chinese 5 spice powder, onion powder, salt and pepper. It's really good and the serving is nice and big. You could make it with extra lean beef meatballs or chicken if you eat those proteins. I love anything with 5 spice powder!

I'm also drinking sparkling water with some vanilla creme stevia...it's tasty and helping my water go down easily.

For dessert, I'm going to puree some strawberries with some of the vanilla creme stevia and top it off with sparkling water. It's called a strawberry sparkler! Yum!

Mmmm - your meals and drinks always sound very yummy.

Today I finally got back to a full day basically back to plan. I've had two or three HCG doses. I need to get better at tracking that.

I swam today and shopped and didn't eat anything till 2pm, but some black coffee. I'm not all the way back to HCG stick format since I ate the skin on a KFC chicken breast and just had a yummy smoothie made from SF orange drink and strawberries and some SF gum. It's good for me and may be as close as I get to Plan, esp since I've been off plan and eating sweets for over a week.

I'm glad that even with TOM starting, when I finally weighed today, I ws 214.5, so just a few pounds over my HCG low.

[olive1]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

i have to mix rx so i'll do 15 days or so (usually what it makes) and that should put me about 2 weeks before TOM if i started tomorrow...i don't have to load right?!

Originally Posted by MzMelissa

not if its been less than 14 days since you stopped. (at least thats what I was told) its an interuption not a new round.

Hi Ladies I just wanted to jump into your conversation if I may. I have only ever done homeopathic HCG but, from my understanding you can't do a 14 day interruption with the RX and the reason being is your body can build up an immunity to the RX and it won't work, so you have to be very careful. This is what I would suggest to you Heather. Just eat really clean P2 foods for the next few days, or however long it takes to get your weight back down withing range. I wouldn't necessarily limit the food intake, just stay away from the cheeses as much as possible I've never actually done a correction day, the clean eating always does the trick for me. ( my first round I had a really hard time stabilizing) I also try to stay away from the fruit for those couple of days. Just remember it can take 3 weeks for you to finally stabilize. It's an amazing thing when it finally happens. Another thing that I found from reading lots of posts and from my own experience is a 4 or 5 lb window as opposed to a 2lb window is way more realistic. Each time I've stabilized its been exactly 4 lbs above my LDW. If you haven't read Dr. Simeons "Pounds and Inches" you really need to. Each time I read it I find something new that I had just skimmed over before, but that was so helpful and informative. The closer you can stay to the (original) protocol I am convinced the more success you will have. Good luck! here is the link to "Pounds and Inches"

Pounds & Inches

[wovenwonder]

I'm a little scared - stayed the same this morning. This seems to be how things go with any new plan I try. I do SO GREAT weight loss wise the first week and as I continue on plan I stall or lose extremely slowly. I could cry. I really want this to be different this time. I want to find something that works for me!!

[jabbok]

I am down .4 this morning to 165.4 so 3.4 more to lose to get to 162 before I move into P3

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by olive1

Hi Ladies I just wanted to jump into your conversation if I may. I have only ever done homeopathic HCG but, from my understanding you can't do a 14 day interruption with the RX and the reason being is your body can build up an immunity to the RX and it won't work, so you have to be very careful. This is what I would suggest to you Heather. Just eat really clean P2 foods for the next few days, or however long it takes to get your weight back down withing range. I wouldn't necessarily limit the food intake, just stay away from the cheeses as much as possible I've never actually done a correction day, the clean eating always does the trick for me. ( my first round I had a really hard time stabilizing) I also try to stay away from the fruit for those couple of days. Just remember it can take 3 weeks for you to finally stabilize. It's an amazing thing when it finally happens. Another thing that I found from reading lots of posts and from my own experience is a 4 or 5 lb window as opposed to a 2lb window is way more realistic. Each time I've stabilized its been exactly 4 lbs above my LDW. If you haven't read Dr. Simeons "Pounds and Inches" you really need to. Each time I read it I find something new that I had just skimmed over before, but that was so helpful and informative. The closer you can stay to the (original) protocol I am convinced the more success you will have. Good luck! here is the link to "Pounds and Inches"

Pounds & Inches

Hmmmmm, now I'm confused!!! Dr. Simeons talks about planned interruptions in Pounds & Inches and that is based solely on the RX HCG From what I read in Pounds & Inches you can take up to a 14 day interruption but anything above that you have to re-load. The immunity issue is why he only has rounds going a maximum of 43 days (with RX HCG). Please correct me if I am wrong but I think she will be fine calling it an interruption and starting P2 again.

Peggy, are you out there???? You are on RX HCG - please help!!!

[CurveControl]

Originally Posted by wovenwonder

I'm a little scared - stayed the same this morning. This seems to be how things go with any new plan I try. I do SO GREAT weight loss wise the first week and as I continue on plan I stall or lose extremely slowly. I could cry. I really want this to be different this time. I want to find something that works for me!!

Every one slows down. I didn't lose today at all. I am at 16.2 pounds lost in 19 days and I had lost well my first week too.
Just stay on plan (I didn't I cheated on Tday and took 2 days to lose it) and it will come off!

[Gracie514]

Lots to do today, just wanted to report a -0.6# loss I had to eat dinner very late last night (7:30 pm) because my little one got an ear infection and we spent some time at the doctor's office. So, I am down -9.6# after 4 vlcd's. WOOT WOOT!!!!!

Wovenwonder~ We all have periods where the scale will stay the same. But, remember it's Pounds & INCHES - have you been measuring??? Trust me - when the scale doesn't move the inches are falling off!!! How are your clothes fitting? Even in P&I Dr. Simeons mentions how the scale may stay the same for a few days. If it's the same for 5 days then he suggests an apple day just for mental purposes. Don't STRESS, you need to relax and let the protocol work it's wonders!!!!

[CurveControl]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Lots to do today, just wanted to report a -0.6# loss I had to eat dinner very late last night (7:30 pm) because my little one got an ear infection and we spent some time at the doctor's office. So, I am down -9.6# after 4 vlcd's. WOOT WOOT!!!!!

Wovenwonder~ We all have periods where the scale will stay the same. But, remember it's Pounds & INCHES - have you been measuring??? Trust me - when the scale doesn't move the inches are falling off!!! How are your clothes fitting? Even in P&I Dr. Simeons mentions how the scale may stay the same for a few days. If it's the same for 5 days then he suggests an apple day just for mental purposes. Don't STRESS, you need to relax and let the protocol work it's wonders!!!!

wow, you are doing great!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by CurveControl

wow, you are doing great!

Thanks!

So are you!!!!!

[kimberlybimberly]

I'm not Peggy but am an rXer.

Heather has already done a 40 day round - the max, according to Simeon. So, no more until P3 and P4 have been completed, according to Simeon. The interruptions and subsequent dosing days should equal no more than 42 days on rX hCG total, according to Simeon.

Notice, I keep saying "according to Simeon". I'm finding that some people successfully do more, the concept of immunity is being questioned, etc. Personally, I would continue on P3.

Good luck!

[CurveControl]

TBH I was a tiny bit bummed at the scale today, but I know I didn't really eat enough yesterday, and I was really really bad about my water so I will do better today and hope to see some downward movement tomorrow.

[leftout]

Originally Posted by wovenwonder

I'm a little scared - stayed the same this morning. This seems to be how things go with any new plan I try. I do SO GREAT weight loss wise the first week and as I continue on plan I stall or lose extremely slowly. I could cry. I really want this to be different this time. I want to find something that works for me!!

I know exactly how you feel. The first week not including load days showed a 10.5lb loss. Since 11/30 only 1.25lb. The key is to continue and know inches are going away.

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Lots to do today, just wanted to report a -0.6# loss I had to eat dinner very late last night (7:30 pm) because my little one got an ear infection and we spent some time at the doctor's office. So, I am down -9.6# after 4 vlcd's. WOOT WOOT!!!!!

Wovenwonder~ We all have periods where the scale will stay the same. But, remember it's Pounds & INCHES - have you been measuring??? Trust me - when the scale doesn't move the inches are falling off!!! How are your clothes fitting? Even in P&I Dr. Simeons mentions how the scale may stay the same for a few days. If it's the same for 5 days then he suggests an apple day just for mental purposes. Don't STRESS, you need to relax and let the protocol work it's wonders!!!!

way to go that is alot in 4 days keep up the good work.

Hope your little one feels better soon.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

I'm not Peggy but am an rXer.

Heather has already done a 40 day round - the max, according to Simeon. So, no more until P3 and P4 have been completed, according to Simeon. The interruptions and subsequent dosing days should equal no more than 42 days on rX hCG total, according to Simeon.

Notice, I keep saying "according to Simeon". I'm finding that some people successfully do more, the concept of immunity is being questioned, etc. Personally, I would continue on P3.

Good luck!

Okay, didn't know she already completed the 40 days. I thought she did a short round and then started P3. :blush:

[leftout]

Down 1lb today...finally...

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by leftout

Down 1lb today...finally...

yay good for you.

[CurveControl]

Originally Posted by leftout

Down 1lb today...finally...

nice!!!

[torister]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Hmmmmm, now I'm confused!!! Dr. Simeons talks about planned interruptions in Pounds & Inches and that is based solely on the RX HCG From what I read in Pounds & Inches you can take up to a 14 day interruption but anything above that you have to re-load. The immunity issue is why he only has rounds going a maximum of 43 days (with RX HCG). Please correct me if I am wrong but I think she will be fine calling it an interruption and starting P2 again.

Peggy, are you out there???? You are on RX HCG - please help!!!

If she has already done 40 days her body needs a rest and she needs to do a 6 week break.

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

I'm not Peggy but am an rXer.

Heather has already done a 40 day round - the max, according to Simeon. So, no more until P3 and P4 have been completed, according to Simeon. The interruptions and subsequent dosing days should equal no more than 42 days on rX hCG total, according to Simeon.

Notice, I keep saying "according to Simeon". I'm finding that some people successfully do more, the concept of immunity is being questioned, etc. Personally, I would continue on P3.

Good luck!

What she said. I personally would continue on P3. There is no way that I want to deal with immunity issues. Of course I am following Simeon's protocol...

[MellaBella]

Good morning everyone..

I need to be honest and confess I didn't have a great night last night and avoided the scale this morning. I know I should weigh but I didn't. Actually I wasn't even going to post but avoidance is not going to help me :blush:

Anyway, on to a good day today.

Wish me luck for tomorrow - I am baking Christmas cookies with my mom & sister. I will be bringing my protocol food with me though and plan to stay strong!

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by torister

If she has already done 40 days her body needs a rest and she needs to do a 6 week break.



What she said. I personally would continue on P3. There is no way that I want to deal with immunity issues. Of course I am following Simeon's protocol...

Nice to see you again Torister your knowledge is needed.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Starcat

I've been sporadically lurking during my second round. P3 started for me on Wednesday before Thanksgiving, but I went crazy and didn't stick to no sugar/no starch, so I gained a lot back over the course of 4 days visiting with family and friends. Since I was well over the 2 pound range when I got back to plan, I didn't do a steak day as the protocol says that strict dieting is necessary if you don't do the steak day on the day you experience the gain. I've been eating less of P3 foods to get the weight back down, and I'm nearly within range, but I'm curious as to what I should have been doing. Should I have done a series of steak days to get back in range? What does strict dieting mean if we miss our opportunity for a steak day? Thanks.

I am way behind in my up keep of this thread so forgive me if this is repeated info. I have done 5 rounds of hcg. This is what I have learned in my time on plan. According to the protocol, you SHOULD do a steak day THE MOMENT you are 2 pounds above your range. That way the gains do NOT get out of hand. Since you did not do that, clean P3 eating is another option. That means that you eat protein and veggies. Kind of like Atkins induction. NO nuts and NO cheeses is basically a clean P3 style of eating. I would add to that no P3 treats as well. You know what they are---the cream cheese muffins, baked goodies, that sort of thing. AND to that I would include not eating less of the P3 foods because you don't want your body thinking it won't get food!! I would up your fats. That works for me better than protein days. One day I did that to shed some pounds and I was shoveling in the coconut oil, half and half, pouring on the the salad dressing, loads of butter, etc.... It seems that you have it figured out though, since you are close to being within range. Congratulations!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by CurveControl

That sucks



I was thnking about the SF hard candy thing, but I have SF russell stovers peppermint patties adn I want some soooo bad. What do you guys think? they are SF/FF
Anyone ever have SF chocolate on the plan?

OK...this is our little secret but one round I did include 1 piece of organic dark chocolate--the 85% kind--per day. I still lost weight in P2. But it could have been one of reasons I had trouble stabilizing in P3. I know.....I am sooo bad But would I recommend it to anyone? No, because it is not on the food list. I have done it myself and know that it is not good. But if it keeps you on the straight and narrow.....kept me sane some days. And with 4 kids and a DH to take care of I needed it!!!

[torister]

Originally Posted by jabbok

Nice to see you again Torister your knowledge is needed.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by torister

If she has already done 40 days her body needs a rest and she needs to do a 6 week break.



What she said. I personally would continue on P3. There is no way that I want to deal with immunity issues. Of course I am following Simeon's protocol...

Yeah Peggy is back!!! Where have ya been girl??? I am officially in P4 but have not really changed anything in my diet to reflect it. I have been within my window this entire time. I am about to go out though!! I was afraid of this happening. I am high fatting today to see where that brings me on the scale tomorrow. Think lots of butter and coconut oil. I am sorry to those on P2. I know that butter was one of the first things I wanted on P3 LOL.

I wanted to wish everyone a great weekend. We are going to the Trans-Siberan Orchestra tonight. We go every year. I have gone so much I skipped one year just to stay home with the baby. This year he is going to the aunt's house for the night. But it will be DD's first year. Last year it was DS's first time and he fell asleep I hope that everyone we take this year enjoys this awesome show!! DH says he is not ready for the holiday until this concert comes to town. And then tomorrow the USC gamecocks play a championship game for the SEC. We are super excited for a great weekend!!!

[CurveControl]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

OK...this is our little secret but one round I did include 1 piece of organic dark chocolate--the 85% kind--per day. I still lost weight in P2. But it could have been one of reasons I had trouble stabilizing in P3. I know.....I am sooo bad But would I recommend it to anyone? No, because it is not on the food list. I have done it myself and know that it is not good. But if it keeps you on the straight and narrow.....kept me sane some days. And with 4 kids and a DH to take care of I needed it!!!

Thanks! I didn't have any and I am past that time of the month craving. I am not generally a chocolote craver, just once in a while. Those chocolates (and some SF choc caramels) have neen in my cabinet for probably 4 months or more.

Question about the No Nuts No Cheese thing~ Why no cheese if you can and do increase the other dairy?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by CurveControl

Question about the No Nuts No Cheese thing~ Why no cheese if you can and do increase the other dairy?

Not quite sure what you are asking? The no cheese and no nuts is for P3. Just the first week or so. Increase the other dairy? Not sure about that one.....

I just thought of this....hard cheeses have too much sodium. That is what Biz (who is guiding me through my hcg journey) is always saying about the hard cheeses. I just pass along what I learn from different sources. Take it for what you will. She suggests for the first 3 days of P3 you don't include those in your diet. I went further and went a week without. Then I added in hard cheeses, just an oz in the AM per day. My body was OK with that. Go slow I think is the best advise in P3/P4!! I added in sour cream my first P3 day and did well. But there is no issue with sodium in there. That is the difference between dairy and cheeses. I know of someone who needed a steak day because she added in Swiss cheese in her P3, not even a lot of it!!, and it caused her to go above her 2 lb window.

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Not quite sure what you are asking? The no cheese and no nuts is for P3. Just the first week or so. Increase the other dairy? Not sure about that one.....

I just thought of this....hard cheeses have too much sodium. That is what Biz (who is guiding me through my hcg journey) is always saying about the hard cheeses. I just pass along what I learn from different sources. Take it for what you will. She suggests for the first 3 days of P3 you don't include those in your diet. I went further and went a week without. Then I added in hard cheeses, just an oz in the AM per day. My body was OK with that. Go slow I think is the best advise in P3/P4!! I added in sour cream my first P3 day and did well. But there is no issue with sodium in there. That is the difference between dairy and cheeses. I know of someone who needed a steak day because she added in Swiss cheese in her P3, not even a lot of it!!, and it caused her to go above her 2 lb window.

This is good to know because I love cheese and would have added it the 1st day on P3 but I will wait.

I think the key for P3/P4 is to go slow when adding new foods give our bodies time to adjust.

[toomuchbooty]

Checking in...I'm down another 0.5lbs today. I guess today is the start of week 2 for me. My first week losses are pretty small...3.5lbs from my post-load weight, 2.7lbs from my pre-load.

I'm happy though, because I'm not bouncing around the scale any more...and that's progress.

I'm looking forward to seeing how things go this week.