Simeon's Protocol - Week of 11/22/2010

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by CurveControl

Actually I have been wondering about how quickly we metabolise the homeopathic drops as opposed to the haf life if the Rx injections. Since we take homeo drops several times a day, and the previous day's dose has direct impact on the next day rather than 2 days or 3 days later I am starting to think that the drops clear out of our system way earlier than the Rx injections.
This is just me musing, and by no means set in stone, but I doubt very much that I will do 2 or 3 days of VLCD after I stop the drops. Maybe a day.

Oh not on homeopathic drops...I'm on the rx drops i mix myself and do sublingually twice a day. Are most on the drops already mixed? I found it cheaper and i liked that i was the one mixing them and that it was rx...followed mamaclok's vid's on youtube

[CurveControl]

I think many of us are homeopathic drops rather than Rx.

[CurveControl]

I don't think my doc would write the Rx and I wouldn't even know if the Pharm would carry them on hand. NO clue how I would go about getting them.

[torister]

Originally Posted by CurveControl

I don't think my doc would write the Rx and I wouldn't even know if the Pharm would carry them on hand. NO clue how I would go about getting them.

Google and the internet is a wonderful thing. I do RX injections myself.

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by jabbok

I did 2 days of vlcd without the drops and wasn't hungry at all, I thought for sure that I would be but wasn't.

For the drops it is 48 hours vlcd and the injections is 72 hours.

48 hours with the homeo drops or does that include the rx drops? I do the rx but it's drops not injections. It hasn't been 48 hours yet but my stomach is growling!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

48 hours with the homeo drops or does that include the rx drops? I do the rx but it's drops not injections. It hasn't been 48 hours yet but my stomach is growling!

If you are starving I would bet that the hcg is out of your body. You can add some extra protein and see if it helps. Don't torture yourself!!!

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

If you are starving I would bet that the hcg is out of your body. You can add some extra protein and see if it helps. Don't torture yourself!!!

Thanks lol...I can take the growling, my stomach is not eating itself just yet lol but it's not how I've felt this whole time. I'm hungry and this hasnt' been the norm KWIM?!
Im afraid to break the 72 hr thing and gain, but i'm afraid it's out of my system and i'll gain from not eating!! crap

[Ladidah]

Originally Posted by Stevie Renee

to me! I turned 47 today.

Originally Posted by Mindfulness

Mine was Friday. I turned 37!

You both look great!

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

Okay good morning everyone! Need to know if this is in my head so please enlighten!!
Today is day 2 inbetween p2 and p3...dr simeons says it takes 72 hours till you start p3....why do i feel like i'm already starving! This has to be in my head right?! My stomach growled all day yesterday and I drank a lot of water/coffee to stop the rumbles!
TOM is scheduled (per my pillpack) on wednesday...maybe thats the reason im extra hungry?! I didn't cheat at all during the 40 days of vlcd...yesterday i had a pork rind, 4 almonds, and a bite of my husbands horseradish cheddar slice...WTH?!!
I didn't gain but dang! It's gotta be because i'm that close to p3 right and cant wait?!
Anyone else go through this on those 3 days or am I crazy?!

Heather

I was always hungry the last 2 days (with hHCG drops you only have to wait 2 days; 3 days is for injections) too. I would transition a little - cream in m coffee, sour cream on my chili, etc. those last 2 days. That's what worked for me and I didn't gain wildly. My last 2 days were always 0.2 or 0.4 over my LDW, but not too crazy.

Originally Posted by CurveControl

Actually I have been wondering about how quickly we metabolise the homeopathic drops as opposed to the haf life if the Rx injections. Since we take homeo drops several times a day, and the previous day's dose has direct impact on the next day rather than 2 days or 3 days later I am starting to think that the drops clear out of our system way earlier than the Rx injections.
This is just me musing, and by no means set in stone, but I doubt very much that I will do 2 or 3 days of VLCD after I stop the drops. Maybe a day.

This is exactly what I think, too. I really believe the hHCG drops enter and leave our systems much more quickly than 2 days. That is why loading is so hard - we are dosing AND eating fats, so obviously the drops are taking effect sooner than 2 days. I don't know how well that stands up to scientific scrutiny, but that is what I believe.

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by Ladidah

You both look great!


I was always hungry the last 2 days (with hHCG drops you only have to wait 2 days; 3 days is for injections) too. I would transition a little - cream in m coffee, sour cream on my chili, etc. those last 2 days. That's what worked for me and I didn't gain wildly. My last 2 days were always 0.2 or 0.4 over my LDW, but not too crazy.
This is exactly what I think, too. I really believe the hHCG drops enter and leave our systems much more quickly than 2 days. That is why loading is so hard - we are dosing AND eating fats, so obviously the drops are taking effect sooner than 2 days. I don't know how well that stands up to scientific scrutiny, but that is what I believe.

what i think im gonna do is add more protocol foods like more meat etc...like right now i can't wait for my 12 lunch in 1/2 hour but i've been starving since 10!!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

what i think im gonna do is add more protocol foods like more meat etc...like right now i can't wait for my 12 lunch in 1/2 hour but i've been starving since 10!!

Sounds like a good plan. By the way, what day are you on? I know there are immunity issues with the real Rx hcg and not hhcg. That is why you can't go over 40 days with the Rx hcg.

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Sounds like a good plan. By the way, what day are you on? I know there are immunity issues with the real Rx hcg and not hhcg. That is why you can't go over 40 days with the Rx hcg.

i did just the 40 days of rx drops and that's it. today is day 2 of the 72hrs vlcd without drops.

[torister]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

i did just the 40 days of rx drops and that's it. today is day 2 of the 72hrs vlcd without drops.

I can't even imagine 40 days of P2.

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by torister

I can't even imagine 40 days of P2.

you know on day 23 I was totally fine to keep going...then it just went downhill from there lol! the last 10 days went slooooow.
I'm only about 10 away from goal so if/when i do another round (load xmas maybe?)
short rounds from here on out

[torister]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

you know on day 23 I was totally fine to keep going...then it just went downhill from there lol! the last 10 days went slooooow.
I'm only about 10 away from goal so if/when i do another round (load xmas maybe?)
short rounds from here on out

I have a LONG way to go, but I won't do longer than the 23 days. It is too mentally tough for me....and people might get hurt.

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by torister

I have a LONG way to go, but I won't do longer than the 23 days. It is too mentally tough for me....and people might get hurt.

i hear ya...i would get upset when hubby wanted some of my grilled onions and my youngest son wanted some of my itty bitty steak...i only have so much lol!! I was like that the whole time too, my poor family. If my husband wants to eat dinner with me he had to eat steak....every night bless his supporting heart!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Ladidah

You both look great!


I was always hungry the last 2 days (with hHCG drops you only have to wait 2 days; 3 days is for injections) too. I would transition a little - cream in m coffee, sour cream on my chili, etc. those last 2 days. That's what worked for me and I didn't gain wildly. My last 2 days were always 0.2 or 0.4 over my LDW, but not too crazy.
This is exactly what I think, too. I really believe the hHCG drops enter and leave our systems much more quickly than 2 days. That is why loading is so hard - we are dosing AND eating fats, so obviously the drops are taking effect sooner than 2 days. I don't know how well that stands up to scientific scrutiny, but that is what I believe.

I believe the drops take effect immediately. I feel like gagging when loading!!! After I go off I can tell pretty much to the second the drops wear off - I am STARVING!!!! It's usually before the 48 hours too. I just add in extra protein.

[kimberlybimberly]

Originally Posted by heatherwagnon

i did just the 40 days of rx drops and that's it. today is day 2 of the 72hrs vlcd without drops.

Heather,

I have done two 40 day rounds with rX. I was not hungry at all during my 3 VLC days w/o hCG. I betcha $ it's because of TOM -he's like that. Either way, I don't think extra protein would hurt you at all.

Hope you feel better.

[heatherwagnon]

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

Heather,

I have done two 40 day rounds with rX. I was not hungry at all during my 3 VLC days w/o hCG. I betcha $ it's because of TOM -he's like that. Either way, I don't think extra protein would hurt you at all.

Hope you feel better.

yea im sure it is cause in my case TOM is a major jerk whenever he comes over and even if i was starving i'd stick to the 3 day rule thanks for the support ya'll!!

[Stevie Renee]

Thank you all you sweet people! I have had a really nice day. I did not eat until after 3:00 today because I rushed out to see Harry Potter and shop.
By the time I got home, I was starving. so I think hhcg is out of my system.

I made Cleo's cauliflower pizza but went light on the cheese. I am ok with that

Right now I am making Linda sues stuffed bell peppers for the week to munch on. So darn good! I get my veggies and protein.

Mindful,
hope you had a wonderful BD!! We have 3 November babies in our family and always celebrate on Thanksgiving. I like it

[KOO]

Checking in for the week and seeing how everyone is doing. Great losses going on in here! Peggy, love the new avatar! Happy Birthday Stevie Renee and a belated one to you Stacey! M is doing well after finishing up her third week in P4. Weighed in at 168 lbs. this morning, so a half pound under her LDW. This week will be the big test with Thanksgiving here. Everyone have a great week, wishing you all big releases!

[Lost and Found]

This week is starting off REAL good !!!! Yesterday morning, my alarm didn't go off, and I jumped up just in time to get dressed, pack my lunch & dinner, and leave. I didn't even weigh myself. I was gone all day, and didn't return home until 10:30 pm. Sooo, I was thinking...good...I should be under 200...for sure...by today. I have stuck to protocol, haven't cheated once, and today when I got on the scale, I WAS surprised....a gain!!!!! This had better get moving in the right direction soon. I wouldn't think that I'd have such a long stall, and even gain, at an old set point? Has this happened to anyone else?

I am, also, at the very end of my first bottle of hHcg. I will be cracking open a new one today. Hopefully, this is the problem.

[torister]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

This week is starting off REAL good !!!! Yesterday morning, my alarm didn't go off, and I jumped up just in time to get dressed, pack my lunch & dinner, and leave. I didn't even weigh myself. I was gone all day, and didn't return home until 10:30 pm. Sooo, I was thinking...good...I should be under 200...for sure...by today. I have stuck to protocol, haven't cheated once, and today when I got on the scale, I WAS surprised....a gain!!!!! This had better get moving in the right direction soon. I wouldn't think that I'd have such a long stall, and even gain, at an old set point? Has this happened to anyone else?

I am, also, at the very end of my first bottle of hHcg. I will be cracking open a new one today. Hopefully, this is the problem.

Not surprising when you had such a long and what sounds like a stress filled day. I know I didn't eat enough yesterday and I am UP 1 lb this AM. Fluctuations UP happen. It will come down again. Hang in there.

[CurveControl]

L&F you are really truly my hhcg here for as long as you have hung in through this stall. I agree w/torister about the hectic stress filled day being the reason for the gain. I am new enough that it would crush me!

[CurveControl]

I am down .8. morining weight~172.8
I have not been this close to 170 since I was 40 years old.

[CurveControl]

Anyone else have a lot of fatigue? Not just the muscle and joint aches, but I have been in bed by 9 every night and up around 7-9!

2 days this week I was up at 5 but that was NOT by choice. I generally get to sleep until I am ready to get up, but right now I could easily sleep 12 hours a day!

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

This week is starting off REAL good !!!! Yesterday morning, my alarm didn't go off, and I jumped up just in time to get dressed, pack my lunch & dinner, and leave. I didn't even weigh myself. I was gone all day, and didn't return home until 10:30 pm. Sooo, I was thinking...good...I should be under 200...for sure...by today. I have stuck to protocol, haven't cheated once, and today when I got on the scale, I WAS surprised....a gain!!!!! This had better get moving in the right direction soon. I wouldn't think that I'd have such a long stall, and even gain, at an old set point? Has this happened to anyone else?

I am, also, at the very end of my first bottle of hHcg. I will be cracking open a new one today. Hopefully, this is the problem.

The gain is most likely from not enough sleep, the stress of everything going on in your life. The weight will drop, it seems that you always get a good drop when you catch up on your sleep.

Originally Posted by CurveControl

I am down .8. morining weight~172.8
I have not been this close to 170 since I was 40 years old.

good job on the loss.

Originally Posted by CurveControl

Anyone else have a lot of fatigue? Not just the muscle and joint aches, but I have been in bed by 9 every night and up around 7-9!

2 days this week I was up at 5 but that was NOT by choice. I generally get to sleep until I am ready to get up, but right now I could easily sleep 12 hours a day!

I have been really tired this last week since I have started again but our weather is really cold here so I am sure that has alot to do with it. I have been going to bed by 9, 9:30 but I am up at 6:30 to get ready for work.

[jabbok]

I am down .6 this morning to 169.8, I am very pleased that I am in the 160's next goal the 150's.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

This week is starting off REAL good !!!! Yesterday morning, my alarm didn't go off, and I jumped up just in time to get dressed, pack my lunch & dinner, and leave. I didn't even weigh myself. I was gone all day, and didn't return home until 10:30 pm. Sooo, I was thinking...good...I should be under 200...for sure...by today. I have stuck to protocol, haven't cheated once, and today when I got on the scale, I WAS surprised....a gain!!!!! This had better get moving in the right direction soon. I wouldn't think that I'd have such a long stall, and even gain, at an old set point? Has this happened to anyone else?

I am, also, at the very end of my first bottle of hHcg. I will be cracking open a new one today. Hopefully, this is the problem.

I remember when I was so close to onederland - it took forever to lose that pound!!!! It's like our bodies know we are entering a new decade!!! Don't worry, you will get there. If you read my journal I did a "modified steak day" and it whooshed me into onederland. I had coffee/tea/water all day and for dinner I had an 7-8 ounce filet mignon and sliced tomato. I believe it netted me a 2 pound loss right into onederland. You have done so well - look at how far you've come already.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by CurveControl

I am down .8. morining weight~172.8
I have not been this close to 170 since I was 40 years old.

Originally Posted by CurveControl

Anyone else have a lot of fatigue? Not just the muscle and joint aches, but I have been in bed by 9 every night and up around 7-9!

2 days this week I was up at 5 but that was NOT by choice. I generally get to sleep until I am ready to get up, but right now I could easily sleep 12 hours a day!

Congrats on the weight loss!!!

On the fatigue, what supplements are you taking? While on protocol I take B-12, multi-vitamin, potassium (4 tablet/day), and biotin. I did have the problem of waking up earlier on hhcg - not sure why? Maybe the excitement to see the scale

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by jabbok

I am down .6 this morning to 169.8, I am very pleased that I am in the 160's next goal the 150's.

Congratulations!!!! A new decade is always so exciting!!!