Simeon's Protocol-Week of 10/25/2010

[Maureen in Italy]

Hi all. I mostly lurk because there is so much useful info here. I had a very successful P2, then did 3 weeks of a clean P3 and could have moved into P4 last week but I'm not sure that I'm ready. (If that makes sense)

Originally Posted by Aggie95

A friend of mine (male) did hcg and lost about 50 lbs. After a successful P3 he now eats strictly like P2 but about quadruple the amts. during the week, and Friday night through Sunday he just does whatever including any alcohol intake. It keeps him and his wife happy and mostly at goal weigh for about a year now. I may try that this next time.
I look forward to trying Tgiving P3 style.

This is really interesting and something I may try. I'm not sure what to do to move on to P4. I mean, I know what I'm supposed to do but I'm not sure where to start.

Originally Posted by CJoy

Good morning, I'm checking in this morning with a 1.8 loss

BTW: What's with the mint, anyway? Is artificial mint flavor ok?

Yay on your loss! If you're using the hHcg then the mint will "deactivate" or neutralize the homeopathic drops. I didn't use anything mint at all (gum, toothpaste) during my P2. I think some may use mint outside the 30 minutes they take the drops but I didn't want to risk the HCG losing its effect and wasn't willing to test it.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by joflora

Your not a kidding!
Who would of thought?! I still cant get over this

You are prob right w/the loading part...I was afraid to do it to much...
(Had I known) and listened to everyone.....
It's getting better I noticed that the chicken holds me over longer too.

Weellll...If you have another round to do...I know how you'll be loading!!!!

Your food sounds so good, that I think that I might have asparagus, as my veggie, with dinner tonight too.

This is my day, so far:

Water, Green tea

Lunch- chicken, tomato, apple, grissini

Anticipated dinner:
Tilapia, asparagus, grapefruit, and grissini

[Aggie95]

Originally Posted by joflora

Aggie I wonder if I should up mine to 11 3xa day? The potassium I noticed help me w/the light headedness, but still get hungry very hungry before its time to eat.

I definitely have to have my fruit during the morning, and then again at about 3-4 pm. If you do try the dose and are hungrier, you might then try to lower it by a drop. Sounds strange, but too much is as bad as not enough in that arena!

[juddinminime]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Weellll...If you have another round to do...I know how you'll be loading!!!!

Your food sounds so good, that I think that I might have asparagus, as my veggie, with dinner tonight too.

This is my day, so far:

Water, Green tea

Lunch- chicken, tomato, apple, grissini

Anticipated dinner:
Tilapia, asparagus, grapefruit, and grissini

Looks good "Yum!" how much of a tomato did you eat? I havent had that yet.
I did not get my water in so much yesterday so I am chugging it more today.


Aggie I had thought about having a fruit in the mornings but I like it as a dessert...It's been to long not having it.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by joflora

Looks good "Yum!" how much of a tomato did you eat? I havent had that yet.
I did not get my water in so much yesterday so I am chugging it more today.

Peeing up a storm too...I bet?

I had 1 medium tomato, cubed up with a tiny bit of sea salt on it. I haven't had a tomato every day, but they sure do taste good. One thing. After being on low carb induction levels for so long...if I have a tomato again, I will have it with my meal that I don't have the apple with. I don't know why, because I haven't experienced any hunger thus far, but this afternoon...I was hungry? Maybe too much natural sugar from combining apple with tomato? Usually, I have cukes with the apple. And when I had tomato, I had the strawberries or grapefruit.

[Stevie Renee]

I like the idea of cycling during P4. Hmmm, interesting concept.

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by Aggie95

I definitely have to have my fruit during the morning, and then again at about 3-4 pm. If you do try the dose and are hungrier, you might then try to lower it by a drop. Sounds strange, but too much is as bad as not enough in that arena!

I take my drops at 6:30, 11:30, 4:30 do you think if I take my last set of drops later in the evening I may not be hungry in the morning?

I don't eat my apple for a snack in the morning as the fruit sometimes makes me hungry.

Maybe I should cut my drops back to 9 3X a day.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by jabbok

I take my drops at 6:30, 11:30, 4:30 do you think if I take my last set of drops later in the evening I may not be hungry in the morning?

I take my drops (10 drops 3x's daily) at 7, 3 or 4 (depending when dinner is; like to have two hours of the drops before eating), then the final dose at bedtime. I try to keep the doses as spread out as possible, without getting up during the night, to keep the drops at a constant in my system.

[juddinminime]

Originally Posted by Stevie Renee

I like the idea of cycling during P4. Hmmm, interesting concept.

I like that thought to......

[juddinminime]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Peeing up a storm too...I bet?

I had 1 medium tomato, cubed up with a tiny bit of sea salt on it. I haven't had a tomato every day, but they sure do taste good. One thing. After being on low carb induction levels for so long...if I have a tomato again, I will have it with my meal that I don't have the apple with. I don't know why, because I haven't experienced any hunger thus far, but this afternoon...I was hungry? Maybe too much natural sugar from combining apple with tomato? Usually, I have cukes with the apple. And when I had tomato, I had the strawberries or grapefruit.

Hu-hum...YES! I am feeling good today w/no hunger.
I would switch it up as you have w/the tomato too...

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

I take my drops (10 drops 3x's daily) at 7, 3 or 4 (depending when dinner is; like to have two hours of the drops before eating), then the final dose at bedtime. I try to keep the doses as spread out as possible, without getting up during the night, to keep the drops at a constant in my system.

Thanks I think I am going to change mine to 7, 2, 7 or 8 at night to see if that makes a difference. I am not starving in the morning just feel a little hungry sometimes my stomach will growl.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by jabbok

I take my drops at 6:30, 11:30, 4:30 do you think if I take my last set of drops later in the evening I may not be hungry in the morning?

I don't eat my apple for a snack in the morning as the fruit sometimes makes me hungry.

Maybe I should cut my drops back to 9 3X a day.

i always take my last ones when i go to bed and i had the best results with 15 drops 3x a day

[torister]

Originally Posted by Maureen in Italy

Hi all. I mostly lurk because there is so much useful info here. I had a very successful P2, then did 3 weeks of a clean P3 and could have moved into P4 last week but I'm not sure that I'm ready. (If that makes sense)

It does make sense. If you need to do a longer P3...you should! You can then move into P4. The time in between rounds should be lengthened with each round. There is no time table for too much....just too little...if you are following the Dr.'s protocol.

[2B Me]

Originally Posted by Maureen in Italy

If you're using the hHcg then the mint will "deactivate" or neutralize the homeopathic drops. I didn't use anything mint at all (gum, toothpaste) during my P2. I think some may use mint outside the 30 minutes they take the drops but I didn't want to risk the HCG losing its effect and wasn't willing to test it.

I was wondering about the mint too, but I don't use it anywhere near when I do drops.

I had a good workout at the pool today and am happy I have the energy.

I'm happy to say that my sz 20 jeans are getting to be uncomfortably baggy. I have some 18s I wear too, but they are not my fave. I don't plan to buy new jeans for a while though. I have plenty in my closet to recycle even if they aren't as fashionable.

[Flavia]

Hi, also lurking...
had a question.....can u do this when u have low thyroid????? And if so...do u have to do it differently some how????
Thank you

[debkeversole]

i think so but Dawn will know more just wanted to welcome you my DH has done 3 rounds and he takes synthroid HTH

Originally Posted by g3rmanchik

Hi, also lurking...
had a question.....can u do this when u have low thyroid????? And if so...do u have to do it differently some how????
Thank you

[Aggie95]

Originally Posted by Maureen in Italy

Hi all. I mostly lurk because there is so much useful info here. I had a very successful P2, then did 3 weeks of a clean P3 and could have moved into P4 last week but I'm not sure that I'm ready. (If that makes sense)

Yay for your successes!!!That makes very good sense. My aunt did rxhcg two years ago and for P4 her clinic had her add a new whole grain/starch every three days. Started with like 1/4 cup of brown rice for three days and watch what happens, etc. She did very well on that and let me tell you she was so happy! She'd released about 80 lbs and had fought major weight issues for the last 20 years.


This is really interesting and something I may try. I'm not sure what to do to move on to P4. I mean, I know what I'm supposed to do but I'm not sure where to start.
Both plans sound good to me. My aunt's and my friend's. I want to get back to living my life and not have to do hcg every time I lose my mind
Yay on your loss! If you're using the hHcg then the mint will "deactivate" or neutralize the homeopathic drops. I didn't use anything mint at all (gum, toothpaste) during my P2. I think some may use mint outside the 30 minutes they take the drops but I didn't want to risk the HCG losing its effect and wasn't willing to test it.

I feel the same way

Originally Posted by joflora

Aggie I had thought about having a fruit in the mornings but I like it as a dessert...It's been to long not having it.

My aunt felt the same way. Always had her meal, then moved to the family room to really savor the apple!

Originally Posted by jabbok

I take my drops at 6:30, 11:30, 4:30 do you think if I take my last set of drops later in the evening I may not be hungry in the morning?

I don't eat my apple for a snack in the morning as the fruit sometimes makes me hungry.

Maybe I should cut my drops back to 9 3X a day.

I understand the fruit thing. I have heard others say that, too. I don't get to my last dose until at least 9pm, sometimes later but I"m not inclined to think that it makes much difference. Before this recent interruption, on the two days without drops, I did totally fine and actually felt better than I had on the entire last WEEK on them!! It was really weird.

Originally Posted by 2B Me

I was wondering about the mint too, but I don't use it anywhere near when I do drops.
I had a good workout at the pool today and am happy I have the energy.
I'm happy to say that my sz 20 jeans are getting to be uncomfortably baggy. I have some 18s I wear too, but they are not my fave. I don't plan to buy new jeans for a while though. I have plenty in my closet to recycle even if they aren't as fashionable.

YAY for than non-scale victory!! I, too, am amazed at how hcg reshapes our bodies. And for me at least it does it differently each time. My DH never knows what he will end up with

[Aggie95]

Originally Posted by g3rmanchik

Hi, also lurking...
had a question.....can u do this when u have low thyroid????? And if so...do u have to do it differently some how????
Thank you

Hi!! I too am hypothyroid, on synthroid and have been OK. I don't do anything differently. Dawn????

[juddinminime]

Christina

[Flavia]

Originally Posted by joflora

Christina

c what u started???

[juddinminime]

Originally Posted by g3rmanchik

c what u started???

"It works!" This may help you.

[Flavia]

Originally Posted by joflora

"It works!" This may help you.

I am scarred to do it....still confused....still reading....starting thyroid pills tomorrow morning....nobody from the doc office called so I still don't know what they want me to do with the cholesterol issues, but if i was to do this I would think that would take care of that.....
don't even know where to start....i know i need cal mag vitD zinc pills because of cramps i get at night. so i got to find something i can use instead that is not a pill right....maybe drops????

[juddinminime]

Originally Posted by g3rmanchik

I am scarred to do it....still confused....still reading....starting thyroid pills tomorrow morning....nobody from the doc office called so I still don't know what they want me to do with the cholesterol issues, but if i was to do this I would think that would take care of that.....
don't even know where to start....i know i need cal mag vitD zinc pills because of cramps i get at night. so i got to find something i can use instead that is not a pill right....maybe drops????

Not many are on right now but you will find that there is lots to help you through this if you decide to do it there is great support here.
So ask all the questions you want.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by g3rmanchik

I am scarred to do it....still confused....still reading....starting thyroid pills tomorrow morning....nobody from the doc office called so I still don't know what they want me to do with the cholesterol issues, but if i was to do this I would think that would take care of that.....
don't even know where to start....i know i need cal mag vitD zinc pills because of cramps i get at night. so i got to find something i can use instead that is not a pill right....maybe drops????

try potassium or ACV for your cramps

[Flavia]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

try potassium or ACV for your cramps

I do use braggs acv already but have never used Potassium. I had used the cal-mags cause my doc lady told me to.....but I will try the potassium drops....
thank you very much

[CJoy]

Originally Posted by Maureen in Italy

Yay on your loss! If you're using the hHcg then the mint will "deactivate" or neutralize the homeopathic drops. I didn't use anything mint at all (gum, toothpaste) during my P2. I think some may use mint outside the 30 minutes they take the drops but I didn't want to risk the HCG losing its effect and wasn't willing to test it.

Thank you for that!

[Lost and Found]

I Will be gone all day today. So, just stopping in with daily stats...and I knew it, I knew it! Couldn't even go the whole first week before the losses slowed down. Oh well...atleast I lost something.

Pre-load: 221
Post-Load: 223.4
R1P2 VLCD #5: 214.6

Weight loss (post-load): 8.8 pounds
Weight loss (pre-load): 6.4 virgin pounds...after 4 days of being on VLCDs

Weight lost since yesterday: .6 pounds

R1 goal: 197;or less (17.6 lbs., or more, to go )

[torister]

Originally Posted by g3rmanchik

Hi, also lurking...
had a question.....can u do this when u have low thyroid????? And if so...do u have to do it differently some how????
Thank you

Yes you can. Just keep taking your medications. I am hypothyroid and take Levothyroxine and I am doing fine following protocol.

vlcd15 today and I am down 2.2lbs today for a total of 24.8 lbs this round!!

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by torister

vlcd15 today and I am down 2.2lbs today for a total of 24.8 lbs this round!!

Great loss, Peggy!!!! Your losses are amazing!!!!! Hope that you have a wonderful day!!!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Maureen in Italy

Hi all. I mostly lurk because there is so much useful info here. I had a very successful P2, then did 3 weeks of a clean P3 and could have moved into P4 last week but I'm not sure that I'm ready. (If that makes sense)




This is really interesting and something I may try. I'm not sure what to do to move on to P4. I mean, I know what I'm supposed to do but I'm not sure where to start.






Yay on your loss! If you're using the hHcg then the mint will "deactivate" or neutralize the homeopathic drops. I didn't use anything mint at all (gum, toothpaste) during my P2. I think some may use mint outside the 30 minutes they take the drops but I didn't want to risk the HCG losing its effect and wasn't willing to test it.

I know exactly where you are coming from with the P4!! It was my problem too. What to do...where to start......how to correct when you are out of your window! I have a great post I have saved (from another forum) on how someone else handled P4. It was introduce a new P4 food one day, something like a banana or a bagel at breakfast then change nothing else for the day, do P3 foods the next and then if there is no change is weight go ahead and try another new food the next day. It was alternating trying a new food instead of trying a new food every day. That way you can get a handle on any weight creep up, what works for you and what doesn't, and you can also take into effect the "2-day effect"!! You know where we say some indiscretions don't hit us until 2 days later! That is what I mean when I say I do nothing SLOWLY--that pace is too slow!! LOL. But I may just have to try it this time in order for this to work. Good luck!!