HCG Non Simeon's Week of Oct/25/2010

[12yrslater]

My update:

Woke up to a 3.5lb loss! WOOOOHOOO!! Today is VLCD2!

11/1 - 201
11/2 - 197.5

[mistydisa]

Pati and Deb are ON FIRE!!!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I have used real salt for many years now without any problems. I have tried many of the varieties of real salt and prefer the pink Himalayan salt. YUM! Just my two cents worth added on.

Yummy! I also love the gray Breton sea salt. And I purchase the Texas cave salt as well (figuring I should go local since I'm waisting resources buying non-American salts). Plus, I use tons of the potassium salt since I don't like the potassium pills. We definitely need the salt, especially the first week if you are losing more than a pound a day. It also helps settle my tummy issues.

I thought the Omaha protocol was interesting, but he kept the protein portions the same....I definitely feel much better and happier with more. I eat about 10 ounces of meat (raw weight) per day...so much happier than my round 1!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

My only disagreement with them is the salt. There is nothing wrong with salt, we need it to live, BUT we need REAL SALT with the minerals still intact, not the white processed crap served up today. It's like white processed sugar ... completely unhealthy.

I have used real salt for many years now without any problems. I have tried many of the varieties of real salt and prefer the pink Himalayan salt. YUM! Just my two cents worth added on.

Very interesting Marci! Now where do you get pink Himalayan salt????

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

My update:

Woke up to a 3.5lb loss! WOOOOHOOO!! Today is VLCD2!

11/1 - 201
11/2 - 197.5

WOW PATI!!!.. go YOU!!....

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Pati and Deb are ON FIRE!!!

Thanks Misty, so is our dear friend MEEK!! I LOVE your new pic, so cute!!...

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by paulabob

Yummy! I also love the gray Breton sea salt. And I purchase the Texas cave salt as well (figuring I should go local since I'm waisting resources buying non-American salts). Plus, I use tons of the potassium salt since I don't like the potassium pills. We definitely need the salt, especially the first week if you are losing more than a pound a day. It also helps settle my tummy issues.

I thought the Omaha protocol was interesting, but he kept the protein portions the same....I definitely feel much better and happier with more. I eat about 10 ounces of meat (raw weight) per day...so much happier than my round 1!

Yes, I agree on the protein, I definately eat more than 7 oz a day raw weight. MY body seems to crave more.

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

My update:

Woke up to a 3.5lb loss! WOOOOHOOO!! Today is VLCD2!

11/1 - 201
11/2 - 197.5

Me, You, and Deb are the 3lb twins

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Here are some points from the Omaha Med Spa. Not recommending anything, just wanted to put the information out there for anyone who may be interested. Just a different point of view.

"Over the past 2 years I have made many changes and enhancements to our diet program. I now call my diet – The OWL Diet -to distinguish it from the Original Hcg Diet that is used elsewhere. OWL stands for Omaha Weight Loss.

Why did I make these changes? Two overall reasons - Safety (keeping you healthy) and Efficacy (getting to your weight loss goal). I was not comfortable with the 500 calories per day on the Original Hcg Diet. The risk was too much acidosis from dieting – and side effects of headaches, dizziness, and low potassium levels. The OWL Diet allows 20-40% more calories per day – at 600-700 calories per day my patients feel better, have better hunger control, and are able to stay on the diet until they reach their weight loss goal. I also emphasize the need to spread those calories out over the day.

I call my calorie allowance of 600-700 calories per day the Low Calorie Diet (LCD for short). You will have enough energy to function at home and work, including mild levels of exercise. And you will still lose weight rapidly – an average of 15-20 pounds per month is shed on the OWL Diet. Although we do see some people lose 30 pounds in 30 days – this is not typical. It may occur in individuals who start at a higher weight (such as 300 pounds).

As you read about the changes I have made, you will see there are more food choices, and fewer rules.

Here are the Key Changes that make the OWL Diet better:

Food Choices and Frozen Foods – The original Hcg Diet was based on a very limited selection of food items that were commonly available in Italy in the 1950′s when Dr. Simeons was in practice. I have added additional food selections in all four categories of meats, vegetables,. fruits and beverages. We have also seen tremendous advancements in frozen foods, which can be safely incorporated into a modern protocol.

Sugar Substitutes – I permit the use of all sugar substitutes that are calorie free. Sugar substitutes are commonly used in soft drinks, iced teas and chewing gum. Use of these sugar-free products represents food behaviors that are often well established by participants before they ever start the OWL Diet. For the purposes of compliance with the OWL Diet, the use of sugar substitutes is permitted. I do point out that, in the long run, I feel we should limit our use of these products.

Caffeine – Caffeine is permitted on the OWL Diet and is often consumed in tea, coffee or soft drinks. My observation is that caffeine can increase, decrease or have no effect on appetite. It varies by the individual. Many participants on the OWL Diet were using caffeine beverages before I see them and do not want to give them up. As a means of helping them succeed on the OWL Diet, I permit the use of caffeine. Stopping caffeine and starting a LCD can trigger problems with headaches in the first week of the program.

Low Calorie Diet (LCD) – As mentioned, I allow a range of 600-700 calories per day. With the LCD modification, patients feel better, and have fewer effects from the acidosis of dieting and are therefore more likely to continue on the diet.

Hcg Immunity – Simeons believed that patients would develop immunity to Hcg. He advised the use of Hcg for only 6 days per week and required intervals of time to be off Hcg before restarting additional cycles. I do not believe that immunity exists for the vast majority of participants. With the OWL Diet, I advise participants to use Hcg daily for steady benefit and consistent results.

Continuous Monthly Cycles – Since we are not concerned about immunity and we now permit a higher intake of calories, I am able to offer monthly cycles of continuous Hcg use. We see an average monthly weight loss of 15 pounds for women and 20 pounds for men. Patients are safely permitted to continue monthly cycles “back to back” until they reach their weight loss goal. The momentum of successful weight loss is continued and patients learn to maintain lifelong behavioral changes towards healthier eating. This leads to permanent weight loss.

Vitamins and Supplements - The OWL Diet is, by its very nature, low in food sources of calcium and supplementation with calcium is needed for most participants. We also discuss the importance of B-Complex and Potassium. Some people also benefit from the addition of fiber, melatonin and B-12 shots.

Creams, Oils and Cosmetics – The use of body creams, oils, lotions and cosmetics do not, in my experience, interfere with weight loss on the OWL Diet. They are permitted and this change from the Simeons Protocol is greatly appreciated!

Menses – When women are menstruating, their hunger is frequently increased. I can find no logical explanation to withhold Hcg based on the menstrual cycle of women. Daily use of Hcg is encouraged, including during the menstrual period.

Fat is Fat - Dr. Simeons talked about “three kinds of fat”, and theorized that during dieting the body chooses certain fats to burn first. I do not follow that logic and my observation is that all fat stores are used as people are on the OWL program.

No Speculation about how Hcg works – Dr. Simeons had theories about how low dose Hcg works. Since they remain unproven theories, I do not speculate on the mode of action of Hcg. What is more important to me is our observation that Hcg does appear to help people lose weight on the OWL Diet.

No more Apple Days or Steak Days – I define a weight loss plateau as “no weight loss for a full two weeks despite complete adherence to the program”. Dr. Simeons attempted to break plateaus with either an “apple day” or a “steak day”. I have attempted to use these ideas with patients, and found them to be ineffective, misleading and counterintuitive. The best advice that I can offer is to “Stay committed and look at the total accumulated weight loss”. Plateaus cannot continue, due to the sheer arithmetic of following a LCD.

Salt Restriction – Dr. Simeons placed no restriction on the use of salt, but today we know better. The excessive use of salt carries definite health risks. In a healthy individual, I permit the use of salt. If you have hypertension, coronary artery disease or heart failure, salt use should be limited.

Constipation – Constipation is a common challenge that we face with a LCD despite the high fiber content of the vegetables and fruit that you will be consuming. Dr. Simeons did not intervene if patients only had a bowel movement every 3-4 days. My experience has been that constipation of 3-4 days duration leads to retained weight, bloating, fatigue and the risk of hemorrhoids. I prefer to advise the use of fiber to ensure a bowel pattern of once daily to every other day.

Massage – Massage is permitted, as there is no logical reason to withhold use of this very helpful service.

No More Phases – Dr. Simeons referred to “phases” during the original Hcg Diet. I have found this terminology to be confusing. The OWL Diet has 3 parts: fat loading, low-calorie diet and maintenance. "

I like it!!!

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Thanks Misty, so is our dear friend MEEK!! I LOVE your new pic, so cute!!...

Oh, that's right! 3.4 overnight! Woot! Sorry to have left you out, Meek! Keep up the good work!

Thanks, Deb! Y'all are going to give me a big head with the compliments, lol.

[mistydisa]

Today's VLCD2, and I only released 0.2 lbs.

VLCD2: 208.6.

Seriously?! A measly 0.2 lb loss?! Seriously?!

The Halloween candy kept calling to me yesterday morning, so I took my DD and we got out of the house for several hours and did some Christmas shopping. I ended up having a very successful P2 day; I wish the scale had been more rewarding, but I figure it's that "2 Day Rule" that some people talk about and that I hadn't finished gaining from all the candy I ate Sunday.

Tomorrow BETTER be much better. You hear me, tomorrow? Be good to me!

Yesterday's menu:
B: none
L: P2 chili, grissini
D: hamburger patty, sf ketchup
S: P2 chocolate strawberry slushie
Total calories: 435

I had a very hard time at dinner.... I DID NOT want that hamburger patty. Blah. I told my husband now I understand why the doc recommended a 6 week break....not for immunity reasons, but rather so we wouldn't barf from eating the same boring food continuously!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Pati and Deb are ON FIRE!!!

Thanks Misty!

Originally Posted by paulabob

I thought the Omaha protocol was interesting, but he kept the protein portions the same....I definitely feel much better and happier with more. I eat about 10 ounces of meat (raw weight) per day...so much happier than my round 1!

This is my biggest issue on P2. Lack of protein (especially since I am a weight lifter)....

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

WOW PATI!!!.. go YOU!!....

Thanks Misty, so is our dear friend MEEK!! I LOVE your new pic, so cute!!...

You too Deb Deb!!!
And I agree....Isn't Misty a fine hawt thang?!?!?

Originally Posted by Meek2010

Me, You, and Deb are the 3lb twins

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

I like it!!!

I like it too, but I personally know folks (on Facebook) that would FRY this doctor for putting this information out and/or changing the original protocol.

Some folks are so anal...they seem to think the protocol ONLY WORKS if they follow it to the letter!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Today's VLCD2, and I only released 0.2 lbs.

VLCD2: 208.6.

Seriously?! A measly 0.2 lb loss?! Seriously?!

The Halloween candy kept calling to me yesterday morning, so I took my DD and we got out of the house for several hours and did some Christmas shopping. I ended up having a very successful P2 day; I wish the scale had been more rewarding, but I figure it's that "2 Day Rule" that some people talk about and that I hadn't finished gaining from all the candy I ate Sunday.

Tomorrow BETTER be much better. You hear me, tomorrow? Be good to me!

Yesterday's menu:
B: none
L: P2 chili, grissini
D: hamburger patty, sf ketchup
S: P2 chocolate strawberry slushie
Total calories: 435

I had a very hard time at dinner.... I DID NOT want that hamburger patty. Blah. I told my husband now I understand why the doc recommended a 6 week break....not for immunity reasons, but rather so we wouldn't barf from eating the same boring food continuously!

Hey...this is is how I personally always see it....A LOSS IS A LOSS regardless of how much or how little that loss is....Would rather see the small loss than a gain of any amount

You know what Misty, dinners are the most difficult for me too! Watching DS and DH eating good meals while I eat what's on protocol drives me insane! They try to stay away from me but they can only hide in so many spots before I find them and stare at them while they eat

Seriously, I do stay away while they eat. It's the only thing that works for me or I will cave.

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Meek2010

I like it too, but I personally know folks (on Facebook) that would FRY this doctor for putting this information out!

Some folks are so anal...they seem to think the protocol ONLY WORKS if they follow it to the letter!

What those folks are forgetting is that we are all sooooo different and what works for them may not work for others.

I do know/understand that strict P2 works tho

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

What those folks are forgetting is that we are all sooooo different and what works for them may not work for others.

I do know/understand that strict P2 works tho

Yes, it does work, but honestly, strict P2 is SUPER hard for me. I have to tweak it just a little to get through a day, let alone a full course

[Deb294evr]

Well that is what I found out too.. YES, the original does work, but there is nothing wrong with making it work for you!.. I have to agree that 500 cals may not be real good for us... but what do I know, I'm fat.....

I'll just continue to do what works for me and cheer on everyone who chooses to do what works for them!.. END GOAL = WEIGHT LOSS!!!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Meek2010

Yes, it does work, but honestly, strict P2 is SUPER hard for me. I have to tweak it just a little to get through a day, let alone a full course

you and me both! my tweaking will be in the form of more protein!
its what my body craves the most....MEAT/CHICKEN and FISH!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Well that is what I found out too.. YES, the original does work, but there is nothing wrong with making it work for you!.. I have to agree that 500 cals may not be real good for us... but what do I know, I'm fat.....

I'll just continue to do what works for me and cheer on everyone who chooses to do what works for them!.. END GOAL = WEIGHT LOSS!!!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Meek2010

Yes, it does work, but honestly, strict P2 is SUPER hard for me. I have to tweak it just a little to get through a day, let alone a full course

Nothing wrong with that Meek!!! Those facebook folks need to learn that there really are alternatives... and we can be successful!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

you and me both! my tweaking will be in the form of more protein!
its what my body craves the most....MEAT/CHICKEN and FISH!

YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYY

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

we can be successful!

YES WE CAN!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

Thanks Misty!


This is my biggest issue on P2. Lack of protein (especially since I am a weight lifter)....



You too Deb Deb!!!
And I agree....Isn't Misty a fine hawt thang?!?!?

OH LORDY!!!l look at us!.......

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

OH LORDY!!!l look at us!.......

I'm the middle one (chubbier cheeks! ) Actually the 3rd has the chubbiest of cheeks huh?

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

you and me both! my tweaking will be in the form of more protein!
its what my body craves the most....MEAT/CHICKEN and FISH!

same here

[donnakd]

Just a quick check-in....
Thanks to all who welcomed me! Looking forward to getting to know all of you!
I hadn't thought that I would be on the road most of the day today....we have a dachshund with an eye disorder and have to take her to Oklahoma State University Veterinary School for a checkup--4 hour drive one way, on my way out the door now....so not loading today. Going to think on it while driving.....not sure if I will start tomorrow or wait til the weekend.
Congrats on all the losses.....hoping it is me in a few days!!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Just a quick check-in....
Thanks to all who welcomed me! Looking forward to getting to know all of you!
I hadn't thought that I would be on the road most of the day today....we have a dachshund with an eye disorder and have to take her to Oklahoma State University Veterinary School for a checkup--4 hour drive one way, on my way out the door now....so not loading today. Going to think on it while driving.....not sure if I will start tomorrow or wait til the weekend.
Congrats on all the losses.....hoping it is me in a few days!!

When you are ready, we will be here for you Sorry about the doggie

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

Hey...this is is how I personally always see it....A LOSS IS A LOSS regardless of how much or how little that loss is....Would rather see the small loss than a gain of any amount

You know what Misty, dinners are the most difficult for me too! Watching DS and DH eating good meals while I eat what's on protocol drives me insane! They try to stay away from me but they can only hide in so many spots before I find them and stare at them while they eat Seriously, I do stay away while they eat. It's the only thing that works for me or I will cave.

that is funny

[Meek75]

what are you all eating today?

My foods:

B: Honeycrips apple, tea, 1 liter water
WORKOUT at 11AM - 1 liter of water
L: 2 grilled chicken thighs, broccoli, diet wild cherry pepsi
S: Coffee w/cream + sweetner
D: 1 grilled chicken thigh, broccoli
S: Honeycrips apple

[12yrslater]

Yesterday's meals:

Coffee w/splenda (no cream :annoyed)
Chicken broth (about 2 cups) and diced up chicken. (I like soupy meals)
Apple
Grissini
Coffee with splenda
Grilled chicken breast
Orange
Grissini
Coffee with splenda

LOADS of water!

Man, my meals look borrrrriiing.
BTW - I didn't have veggies to cook so I skipped them yesterday.

Today's lunch is same as yesterday.
Dinner will be P2 chili

[Meek75]

I'm going to make some chilli tonight for lunch tomorrow. I like eating it with cornbread tho...too bad it's P2 friendly .

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

Yesterday's meals:

Coffee w/splenda (no cream :annoyed)
Chicken broth (about 2 cups) and diced up chicken. (I like soupy meals)
Apple
Grissini
Coffee with splenda
Grilled chicken breast
Orange
Grissini
Coffee with splenda

LOADS of water!

Man, my meals look borrrrriiing.
BTW - I didn't have veggies to cook so I skipped them yesterday.

Today's lunch is same as yesterday.
Dinner will be P2 chili

You're on point!