HCG - Non Simeon's Protocol

[Selahgal]

Ok I have a question ... for all you trailblazers ... and I know you aren't all doing the same things, BUT, while you are 'trailblazing' [my new favorite word for this], are you still remaining on the 'juice' the whole time?

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

You betcha! I do half n half and have since week two of Round 1 about the first week of April when I went totally ROGUE! I would LOVE to go 'all the way' back to the Hazelnut 'sugar free' creamers but they have LOTS of other crap in them INCLUDING SUGAR, just LESS of it. Cause my one cup of coffee needs to be SWEET and CREAMY!

WAIT!! sugar free has sugar?... booooo......

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

PATI!!! you did not gain by eating ALL THAT MAGNIFICENT FOOD?...OUTSTANDING!!!! and give your hubby a big ole for the great idea.... yummmmm .. you continue to put your foot in the water girl, so I am THRILLED! .. you exercising yet? I may have missed it...

Keep on doing what you are doing, and that tortilla/beans thing sounds good too! can you tell I have not eaten yet?

It was delish! Everything about dinner! I over ate (and I am not ashamed! Ok myabe a nudge! )

Exercise will start when I get that surgery done.

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Ok I have a question ... for all you trailblazers ... and I know you aren't all doing the same things, BUT, while you are 'trailblazing' [my new favorite word for this], are you still remaining on the 'juice' the whole time?

yep yep.....

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Ok I have a question ... for all you trailblazers ... and I know you aren't all doing the same things, BUT, while you are 'trailblazing' [my new favorite word for this], are you still remaining on the 'juice' the whole time?

YES, I AM!!!! I think it has been 30 or more days now.. I did take a 2 or 3 day break a while back, but I got hungry bad.. so I went back on them.. I can't remember exactly when, it is in my journal though... I really felt the hunger... mental?.. maybe.. not sure..

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

WAIT!! sugar free has sugar?... booooo......

Yeah, those food manufacturers are always trying to sneak stuff in under the radar on us.

Check this out for Coffemate SUGAR FREE Hazelnut Creamer:

Water, Corn Syrup** [SECOND INGREDIENT!!!!] (Partially Hydrogenated Soybean And/Or Cottonseed Oil [it's not sugar but it's definitely major crap!], And Less 2% Of Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative)***, Maltodextrin Dipotassium Phosphate, Color Added, Sodium Stearoyl, Lactylate, Mono- And Diglycerides, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Polysorbate 60, Carrageenan, Sucralose [Splenda], Acesulfame Potassium (Non-Nutritive Sweetener), Beta-Carotene Color. **Adds A Trivial Amount Of Sugar. ***Not A Source Of Lactose.

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Yeah, those food manufacturers are always trying to sneak stuff in under the radar on us.

Check this out for Coffemate SUGAR FREE Hazelnut Creamer:

Water, Corn Syrup** [SECOND INGREDIENT!!!!] (Partially Hydrogenated Soybean And/Or Cottonseed Oil, And Less 2% Of Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative)***, Maltodextrin Dipotassium Phosphate, Color Added, Sodium Stearoyl, Lactylate, Mono- And Diglycerides, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Polysorbate 60, Carrageenan, Sucralose [Splenda], Acesulfame Potassium (Non-Nutritive Sweetener), Beta-Carotene Color. **Adds A Trivial Amount Of Sugar. ***Not A Source Of Lactose.

That is discusting!!!!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

That is discusting!!!!

Here is the ingredients for International Delight Hazelnut Sugarfree Liquid Creamer:

Non-Dairy Product Ingredients: Water, Palm Oil, Corn Syrup**, Contains 2% Or Less Of Each Of The Following Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Sodium Caseinate* (A Milk Derivative), Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Mono And Diglycerides, Polysorbate 60, Carrageenan, Sucralose, Cellulose Gel, Cellulose Gum, Acesulfame Potassium, Natural And Artificial Flavors. *Sodium Caseinate Is Not A Source Of Lactose. **Adds A Trivial Amount Of Sugar.

Almost the same.

[Deb294evr]

I am glad I only use REAL Cream. My hubby on the other hand uses the Sugar Free Vanilla International Delight, THINKING it really is! I will let him know this.. thanks again!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

YES, I AM!!!! I think it has been 30 or more days now.. I did take a 2 or 3 day break a while back, but I got hungry bad.. so I went back on them.. I can't remember exactly when, it is in my journal though... I really felt the hunger... mental?.. maybe.. not sure..

Well, I stopped the juice yesterday to go on a P3 break after a five-week P2. The weight has stalled around 202-203 for over a week and I was having dreams of cheese, avocados, milk, whole eggs, FAT, OILS ... homemade trail mix ... so I said time to shake things up. I was STARVING yesterday and did eat more than the VLCD stuff and will most like eat even more today even tho that is ... GASP ... off protocol!!!

That being said ... during this 'break' time I was/am thinking about how I'll continue, which brings me to the trailblazing efforts of all the wonderful adventurous peeps here .... low carb? .... low cal? ... both? .... Calorie switching? ... Low carb/low cal switching? So many ways to do this thing!!!


Plus the last two weeks I've been told I now have gallstones, cataracts and hearing loss! I'm only 59!! I have to wonder if it could be the lack of fats/oils over the last six months that helped this happen? I have NO IDEA. But why NOW is all this happening? I want to be FIT and FIRM and STRONG and HEALTHY too!


Is the hcg an appetite surpressant or an abnormal fat burner or both? When you go trailblazing, is it still only burning the abnormal fat or does it ever burn the normal fat too? I know I'm probably overthinking everything again, but that's how my mind works. I love that peeps are here who are OPEN to considering these things without just going rabid about it.

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Well, I stopped the juice yesterday to go on a P3 break after a five-week P2. The weight has stalled around 202-203 for over a week and I was having dreams of cheese, avocados, milk, whole eggs, FAT, OILS ... homemade trail mix ... so I said time to shake things up. I was STARVING yesterday and did eat more than the VLCD stuff and will most like eat even more today even tho that is ... GASP ... off protocol!!!

That being said ... during this 'break' time I was/am thinking about how I'll continue, which brings me to the trailblazing efforts of all the wonderful adventurous peeps here .... low carb? .... low cal? ... both? .... Calorie switching? ... Low carb/low cal switching? So many ways to do this thing!!!


Plus the last two weeks I've been told I now have gallstones, cataracts and hearing loss! I'm only 59!! I have to wonder if it could be the lack of fats/oils over the last six months that helped this happen? I have NO IDEA. But why NOW is all this happening? I want to be FIT and FIRM and STRONG and HEALTHY too!


Is the hcg an appetite surpressant or an abnormal fat burner or both? When you go trailblazing, is it still only burning the abnormal fat or does it ever burn the normal fat too? I know I'm probably overthinking everything again, but that's how my mind works. I love that peeps are here who are OPEN to considering these things without just going rabid about it.

You are too young to be falling apart!... Ok, what I am about to say is MY OPINION ONLY!!! I am by no means an expert...

I BELIEVE that HCG is an appetite suppressant AND a fat burner. I also believe that FAT IS FAT... normal, abnormal, whatever... I read the Protocol so I know how he is distinguishing the 2, but all the fat that is on us that is "padding" would be the first to go in my opinion.

The fat sheltering our organs would be the last. I don't believe our body will go straight to the sheltering fat when it has so much of the padding fat to use... so in that I disagree with Protocol... I believe in my case that I am keeping my muscle because I eat enough protein and fats to do so...

I believe the HHCG is helping me to burn my fat... I could NOT lose it eating just low carb, or zero carb. It stayed with me... so it HAS to be the HHCG. That is the only thing I have done differently now. I FIRMLY believe it is an appetite suppressant also.. I have proven that to myself when I went off of it... MY 2 cents.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

You are too young to be falling apart!... Ok, what I am about to say is MY OPINION ONLY!!! I am by no means an expert...

I BELIEVE that HCG is an appetite suppressant AND a fat burner. I also believe that FAT IS FAT... normal, abnormal, whatever... I read the Protocol so I know how he is distinguishing the 2, but all the fat that is on us that is "padding" would be the first to go in my opinion.

The fat sheltering our organs would be the last. I don't believe our body will go straight to the sheltering fat when it has so much of the padding fat to use... so in that I disagree with Protocol... I believe in my case that I am keeping my muscle because I eat enough protein and fats to do so...

I believe the HHCG is helping me to burn my fat... I could NOT lose it eating just low carb, or zero carb. It stayed with me... so it HAS to be the HHCG. That is the only thing I have done differently now. I FIRMLY believe it is an appetite suppressant also.. I have proven that to myself when I went off of it... MY 2 cents.

Appreciate your input, Deb. You could very well be right! In my case, I don't need it to be an appetite suppressant as I am used to eating more frequent smaller meals because of hypoglycemia issues. I just hate that most docs and such always think the only reason people are fat is because they cannot control their appetites and eat all the time. BLAH. As my son would say .. "That's SO old school!!!" Easier than studying and researching and find all the MANY reasons why peeps get fat, tho, right? Sorry another rant there.

ANYHOW, I miss my healthy fats and oils and I think my body does too. I loved low carb because I could eat fats and oils. I believe it's a HEALTHY thing for us to do. But on hcg, the only fat/oil I have been able to 'get away with' is coconut oil & mct oil simply because it's not utilized in the body as fat but as a carb. At least that's what I've read.

What good is getting thin if you end up sick and unhealthy? A smaller coffin???? Oy vay. Just rambling AGAIN. If I could have my hcg and eat fats/oils too, I'd be rockin!!!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Appreciate your input, Deb. You could very well be right! In my case, I don't need it to be an appetite suppressant as I am used to eating more frequent smaller meals because of hypoglycemia issues. I just hate that most docs and such always think the only reason people are fat is because they cannot control their appetites and eat all the time. BLAH. As my son would say .. "That's SO old school!!!" Easier than studying and researching and find all the MANY reasons why peeps get fat, tho, right? Sorry another rant there.

ANYHOW, I miss my healthy fats and oils and I think my body does too. I loved low carb because I could eat fats and oils. I believe it's a HEALTHY thing for us to do. But on hcg, the only fat/oil I have been able to 'get away with' is coconut oil & mct oil simply because it's not utilized in the body as fat but as a carb. At least that's what I've read.

What good is getting thin if you end up sick and unhealthy? A smaller coffin???? Oy vay. Just rambling AGAIN. If I could have my hcg and eat fats/oils too, I'd be rockin!!!

I do it every day! good luck with what you decide Marci!! I believe healthy fats are necessary also!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Indeed it is ... I guess there is still a tiny part of me that is cautious about taking that step out! I always have to know all the details first!

I am thinking I may start a new 'plan' and then add the hcg to it and see if that helps it or not.

Sounds like a plan!! Do you think adding good fats to HCG will blow you up?.... It won't, ask Chantyl...

[Tyl]

LOLz!

[BlueMonday]

Originally Posted by TxMom3

Hi girls! Just found your spot and I am finding this VERY interesting! I did hhcg in April and lost about 10 lbs in 21 days. I did not do a very good p3/p4 and am back up 3lbs from then. (which considering I have been on/off low-carb the whole time I guess could be much worse!) I tried to do another round and flaked out quickly! This experiment may be just what I need. I have been lc this week and am going to add drops today and see what happens. My most difficult thing is skipping coffee (I use half & half and sf drops) but when I stuck to protocol I just drank tea and no coffee. That half & half is the one thing that has been so difficult giving up! (I have a friend that uses fat free half & half as her allotted milk serving, but I just can't do it~seems like a waste of time to me!)

anyway, looking forward to seeing how this goes! I will keep you all posted!

Hey fellow Texan!

I know what you mean. Gotta have my coffee in the AM and it's gotta have at least some kind of milk or something in it (HWC being the best, of course).

What is in that "Fat Free Half and Half" I would think ity would be OK as long as they have not added starch and/or sugar to it. I remember reading somewhere in Dr. Atkins stuff way back when that they typically add starches/fillers/sugars in things when they remove all the fat, and that can be even worse for you. So I just don't know.

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Sounds like a plan!! Do you think adding good fats to HCG will blow you up?.... It won't, ask Chantyl...

I too was afraid of turning into a ball of fat (well a ball with EXTRA FAT! ) Altho' I am not losing as fast as when on protocol, I am not gaining either! I am actually a .5lbs lighter However, I just started going "rouge" a few days ago

Next week I will go into "cycling"

[Deb294evr]

Sometimes just the enjoyment of something different is worth it.. sometimes it is not..

I loved losing fast on 500 cals/day, but I thought I might gouge my own eyes out after 2 weeks.....

For all of you who can hang in there and do it...over and over again, awesome!

PATI , you did GRRRRRRRREAAAAAAAAATTTTTT!! now I can't wait to see how you do cycling...

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by BlueMonday

Hey fellow Texan!

I know what you mean. Gotta have my coffee in the AM and it's gotta have at least some kind of milk or something in it (HWC being the best, of course).

What is in that "Fat Free Half and Half" I would think ity would be OK as long as they have not added starch and/or sugar to it. I remember reading somewhere in Dr. Atkins stuff way back when that they typically add starches/fillers/sugars in things when they remove all the fat, and that can be even worse for you. So I just don't know.

You betcha! Anytime they remove fat from something that normally HAS fat, you can count on it tasting like CRAP ... SO they add SUGAR and STARCH and all kinds of unpronounceable 'things' to add back taste. Gimme the fat any day!!!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Sometimes just the enjoyment of something different is worth it.. sometimes it is not..

I loved losing fast on 500 cals/day, but I thought I might gouge my own eyes out after 2 weeks.....

OMGosh I laughed out loud at this! Two weeks seems to be the 'torture limit' on this doesn't it??

I felt the same way ... I thought ..."goodness just kill me and put me out of my misery ... I cannot continue with this torture!!!"

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

OMGosh I laughed out loud at this! Two weeks seems to be the 'torture limit' on this doesn't it??

I felt the same way ... I thought ..."goodness just kill me and put me out of my misery ... I cannot continue with this torture!!!"

YES!!!!

[12yrslater]

I wanted to eat my left arm after day 14! Just cuz it might taste different than what was on protocol!

[BlueMonday]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

I wanted to eat my left arm after day 14! Just cuz it might taste different than what was on protocol!

Couldn't have said it better!

[Deb294evr]

oh you girls!!.... I SO AGREE!!!!!

[Kiley2801]

Thanks for the welcome all!

I now feel comfortable enough to admit that, while I have not had a SIP of alcohol in over 30 days, I am getting together with some girlfriends on Saturday night, and while I plan to keep the food as clean as possible.... a glass of wine (or two...) will be drank!! And if my weight stalls or I go up a bit..... so be it. I know exactly how to get it back down again.

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

I wanted to eat my left arm after day 14! Just cuz it might taste different than what was on protocol!

LOL! I hear ya. I got my dog some home-made dog biscuits, made all natural, organic, blah blah. Umm... lets just say when I took one out on my
2nd week, that thing smelled *delicious*!!! How SAD is that??!!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Kiley2801

Thanks for the welcome all!

I now feel comfortable enough to admit that, while I have not had a SIP of alcohol in over 30 days, I am getting together with some girlfriends on Saturday night, and while I plan to keep the food as clean as possible.... a glass of wine (or two...) will be drank!! And if my weight stalls or I go up a bit..... so be it. I know exactly how to get it back down again.



LOL! I hear ya. I got my dog some home-made dog biscuits, made all natural, organic, blah blah. Umm... lets just say when I took one out on my
2nd week, that thing smelled *delicious*!!! How SAD is that??!!

Have fun Saturday! You will be just fine

dog bones smelling delish!

[Deb294evr]

OMG I love that!!... Enjoy your time with your friends Kiley, you DO know how to get it off, so don't sweat it! If anything shows up, it's water ....

[Snookie68]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

I wanted to eat my left arm after day 14! Just cuz it might taste different than what was on protocol!

[cookie34]

I am here to push you through to the other side of AlwaysStickAtThisWeightVille!

[Deb294evr]

I know you have experience in that Kandi!! so stick around!!!

Down a pound today, ate over 1700 cals yesterday. Today is going to be a HIGH day, because it is Saturday! Tomorrow will be a very low cal day. I want to blast off today's food. I don't really have a plan for the week, but I am betting it is something like High today, then Low, low, mid, low, low, mid, high. We shall SEE!!

How is everyone doing? Have you decided on a plan of any sort? Just curious!!!