HCG - Non Simeon's Protocol

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by tempted_by_food

Ok I will paste this below I got this of another site, REMEMBER this was an experiement by Dakota which worked very well for her and she wanted to share her findings with other like minded people.....

I am not a doctor nor do I advocate nor claim that everyone will have the same results as I while developing this diet. Please check with your own doctor before attempting to follow any diet, including this one. I am merely sharing my experience and what has worked for me. We are all different. I formulated this diet by research of my own as well as using myself as the guinea pig – there are no sponsored test results or clinical trials available. Results may vary by individual.
Here is how Calorie Switching works.

The steps below help you figure your 3 calorie ranges for weight loss and maintenance on this program.

You will be figuring your High, Mid and Low ranges for calorie switching.

1. What you need to do is figure out your ideal body weight goal. For me, mine is 130 lbs. Next you need to determine your caloric needs to maintain that weight. Simply multiply 14 (sedentary lifestyle) or 15 - 16 (if you are moderately active or have an exercise program) x your goal weight = Total maintenance caloric needs.
Looks like this 14 x 130 (weight) = 1820.

For me, mine is 1820 (I round down but if the number if 50 or above round up) to 1800. Then you take those calories and subtract 300. This number will be the calories you need to use as your HIGH Range.

1800 (goal weight calories) – 300 = 1500 (my calorie high range for example)

2. Next you need to figure your mid-range calories. Simply subtract 500 calories from your High Range.

1500 – 500 = 1000 (my Mid Range)

3. Last you will have to figure your low range – simply subtract another 500.
1000 (mid range) – 500 = 500 (low range)***

***Important: Do not go lower than 500 calories on any day at all – even if your low range is lower. If its 438 you do 500.. do not go lower. You cannot nourish your body properly – especially if you are exercising.

So at this time I have ranges – that’s it:

High – 1500
Mid – 1000
Low – 500

These are the values I’ll be using to switch calorie intake for my days on the Calorie Switching diet.

Here is how you apply the caloric values to your diet each week – and each week varies to keep the metabolism switching speeds as well. Still very simple, and when you start you’ll see why.

But first lets talk about the foods and supplements.

PART II - Foods and Supplements

It’s always advisable to take a multivitamin when dieting. You are the best judge of that, and need to see your doctor if you have deficiencies before starting any diet. I take a multivitamin anyway.

Foods should be limited to low glycemic foods, proteins and fibrous veggies.
No starches and sugars should be taken while on the diet, unless you have a medical condition that requires it. Should you add a sugar or starch to your diet that day, you MUST count the calories contained in it to your daily intake. If you want quicker weight loss its important to remember that limiting starches and sugars does that exactly. Even if you add a little bit of sugar or starch – especially if your are carb sensitive - you can affect your weight loss. Remember we are talking about refined sugar and starches. On your high days you can add any starch and sugar as long as it’s in the form of whole grains, legumes, veggies and fruits. Whole foods are best.

All food must be weighed and calories calculated. Try to space out your food for optimum energy and metabolism fat burning. As long as you measure what you eat you will have a better idea of just how much your body for fuel. Always eat at least 2 servings of protein per day – usually about 3.5 – 4 ounces each serving. Protein is important to maintain proper body functions. To figure out how many grams of protein you need per day, just ½ your goal weight, and that is what you require to maintain your body every day. For me, I want to weigh 130 – I need 65 grams of protein per day at minimum. If you work out you need to up that number a little bit. There are formulas all over the web for that. Use that as a rule of thumb as to how you are going to divide up your calories everyday.

IMPORTANT: GET A GOOD KITCHEN SCALE – WEIGH EVERYTHING AFTER COOKING. Of course weigh raw foods too that you are eating raw!!!!!!!

Examples of good foods for your low and mid days:

MEAT (protein) - Any lean meat – obvious fat removed

Fish: Any fish

Vegetables (look for low carb veggies) - (no peas or corn – only on High Range days)

Fruits:
Tomatoes
Strawberries
Raspberries
Apples – this is the higher of the two but has a lot of advantages – limit to 1 per day.

Dairy – use freely but remember you need to count it, and it can add up quickly – especially on low range days. Eggs are great for breakfast.

Drinks: Any low calorie sodas, teas, coffee, water (drink at least 8 glasses of water per day) – if you drink something that has calories – COUNT IT – even if its only 5 calories…you’ll be surprised how fast that all adds up. You’re best friend will be your calorie journal when you look back and see what you have done wrong or what you did right!

Portions:

Meat – 3.5 – 5 ounces
Veggies: Unlimited - count calories
Fruits: Unlimited – count calories
Grains: limit to 2 onces per day (not recommended for low days)….except on High days – just count calories

On high days – eat at your own discretion.

PART III – How to do the Weeks

You have some versatility on this diet. You have to do what works best for you. Now you know you can eat whatever you want on this diet as long as you WEIGH and COUNT it and you stick to the limits. Here is an example of how I do my weeks:

Start – Start days are days were you eat as much as you want for 2 days. I would not go over 2000 calories, but that’s just me. This is a time that you will allow yourself many of the starches and sugars you will not be getting while you are Calorie Switching. Pizza, a burger on a white bun, etc….whatever you wish…just have a ball. Or be conscientious and eat more of the good food you are already comfortable with on your previous food plan. Its up to you. No rules. Your way. 2 days only.

Week 1: VLCD (I take an hcg supplement to curb my appetite – some take hoodia, others visit their medical doctor and take a prescription of something – its up to you and your willpower).

Calories: Calorie Switching Body Buster Week – all vlcd everyday…optional
Day 1 - 500
Day 2 – 500
Day 3 – 500
Day 4 – 500
Day 5 – 500
Day 6 – 500
Day 7 – 500

If you prefer and you only have less than 20 lbs to lose – you can start with Week 2. But no need to use Start days (loading food for capacity for 2 days).

Week 2: Calorie Switching starts – Switch High - See the pattern? High – Low, Low – Mid – Low - High (3 low days) (2 high days) (2 mid days)

Day 1 – 1500
Day 2 – 500
Day 3 – 500
Day 4 – 1000
Day 5 - 500
Day 6 – 1500
Day 7 – 1000

Week 3: Switch Low Week - Low, Low, Low, High, Low, Low, Low (6 low days) (1 High day) (1 Mid Days)

Day 1 – 500
Day 2 – 500
Day 3 – 500
Day 4 – 1500
Day 5 – 500
Day 6 – 500
Day 7 – 500

Week 4: Switch Mid Week - (mid, mid, low, low, low, high, low) (4 low days) (2 mid days) (1 high)

Day 1 – 1000
Day 2 – 1000
Day 3 – 500
Day 4 - 500
Day 5 – 500
Day 6 – 1500
Day 7 – 500

Repeat: Switch Low Week – to - Switch High Week – to Switch Mid Week - do not repeat VLCD week – that is for induction only.

PART IV – Maintenance….now you have reached your goal…to keep your weight stable after you are done losing you need to switch again your caloric intake per day. Since you’ve been eating low calories to lose weight you will need to give your body a chance to get used to eating your maintenance calories. For me, 1800 per day. So while I don’t want to shock my body and start eating that everyday, I’ll ease it in. Here’s how:

Substitute for where you ate the 500 calories before to lose weight, with the caloric intake for your goal weight calories (GWC) (for me 1800). So after reaching goal weight, use Switch High Week:

High – GWC – GWC – GWC - High (3 GWC days) (2 high days) (2 mid days)

Day 1 – 1500
Day 2 – 1800
Day 3 – 1800
Day 4 – 1000
Day 5 - 1800
Day 6 – 1500
Day 7 – 1000

Eventually you will ease off to everyday is 1800 calorie days. If you lose weight, increase calories on the 1000-calorie days to 1500 calories, and it would look like this:

Day 1 – 1500
Day 2 – 1800
Day 3 – 1800
Day 4 – 1500
Day 5 - 1800
Day 6 – 1500
Day 7 – 1500

If you gain weight, just cut back on the amount of days you are on 1800 calories. You will be trying to figure out how to set your weight – as not every formula will work for everyone. You may need to eat 1700 calories a day to maintain…but by the time you get to that point, calorie switching would have taught you what works for you and what doesn’t.

PART IV – In a Nutshell

Now you know how to Calorie Switch. Once you try it you’ll be surprised what you learn about your body, your mind and how much you really did eat.

Don’t be surprised that while one week you’ll drop 5-6 pounds and then on another you’ll drop only 2 or 3, or you won’t at all…you have to understand that by switching with these weeks and the days of the weeks your caloric intake, you are keep your body nourished as well as burning the extra fat stores. You are not depleting valuable proteins from inside your own body and you are also learning how to eat to maintain a healthy body. The best part is that you are not starving yourself. You can enjoy a dinner out with family, a cocktail or a low carb beer or two, eat a piece of birthday cake on your Dad’s birthday or your little girl’s or your own!

Dieting doesn’t have to be suffering. It’s about education, health and commingling the mind and the body to have the same goal. Remember it’s all about retraining your eye for portions, and changing your palate so that you appreciate better foods for optimum health. That is the key to long-term weight loss. Hating food or fearing it is not the answer….food didn’t make you fat, bad choices and too much of it did.

I lost 22 lbs in 44 days. Don’t weigh yourself everyday….I did only for the sake of figuring this out. If it goes up don’t worry, when you increase calories, you increase bulk and water, you are eating low enough calories to maintain WEIGHT LOSS - it will all work itself out in the next few days…some days I lost fast, others it was steady others fluctuated. If you remember you aren’t have to suffering for your weight loss, it makes it better to deal with. Unlike other diets, you are still in control of what you put in your mouth. You can stay on a very low calorie diet for 3 days at most and then reward yourself with eating a lot more at least once to three times per week. You’ll be surprised how those days make you feel, and when you realize that your high days, would have been low days for you before you started this diet, where you’d be starving eating 1500 calories per day. But now after being on th diet you just can’t eat that much food anymore. Wow, that is freedom.

Happy Dieting, and Switch Up those calories with Calorie Switching.

Who is Dakota? A million thanks for posting this, by the way!!!!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

So you're doing LC w/the juice, is that right? Hmmm, this could be interesting! Can't wait to see what happens. At this point I don't know what the heck I'm doing! LOL

You miss exercise????? Wow, can't imagine that. I would LOVE to 'miss exercising' but I have zero energy and even less motivation! SIGH.

This week I am doing just that...LC with the "juice" I came right off of P2 (Tuesday was my last day) and counting the calories and weighing my food just did me in. I like a lil' freedom which is why I LOVE LOVE Atkins. So that's what I am doing this week.

I posted what I ate yesterday and had a .5lb loss....I'll take it

Doing P2 for 3 weeks with NO EXERCISE made me feel uber sluggish! I love the energy I get from my running (walking sometimes) and weight lifting! I soooo missed it!

[Deb294evr]

Marci- Dakota is one of the REBELS from 2008 that started the Yahoo group HCGAmerica. She has done really well with her plan. It's a good read if you have time to look at her group.

PATI! will you exercise for me too?... pretty please?.... When I get down to a weight that does not hurt my back when I exercise, I would like to get back into the swing. I used to do TaeBo back 10 years ago when I got to my goal... would enjoy it if it didn't hurt me....

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

PATI! will you exercise for me too?... pretty please?.... When I get down to a weight that does not hurt my back when I exercise, I would like to get back into the swing. I used to do TaeBo back 10 years ago when I got to my goal... would enjoy it if it didn't hurt me....

Exercise (even if just strolling down the street) will give you such a boost of energy and confidence to boot

Taebo? OMG!!!! I totally forgot about those! I have a few somewhere in my house. I think now that the weather is cooling off, I should dust some off. I used to LOVE TAEBO!! I took advantage all summer tho'. I would strap dd (5) in the stroller and head out with her every single night. Then every other day, I lifted. I am not a light lifter tho'. I do HEAVY WEIGHTS (this was advise given to ME on how to transform my body). I think this is why I don't look the weight I am.

FTR - I would workout for you if it would benefit ya

[susique333]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

Well ladies, I'm short and according to the "charts" I'm supposed to be 125! That makes me laugh! I don't think I've been 125 since I was born!

FTR - I am 5'2" short! :LOL: (and my DH is 6'! Think tippy toes to kiss )

Im 5'3 on a bad day, 5'4 on a good one! (Maybe my spine kinks up!) My brother in law fondly told me "Susie, youre not short....youre undertall~!"

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Marci- Dakota is one of the REBELS from 2008 that started the Yahoo group HCGAmerica. She has done really well with her plan. It's a good read if you have time to look at her group.

From what little I've read, it's an Rx hcg group isn't it?

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by susique333

Im 5'3 on a bad day, 5'4 on a good one! (Maybe my spine kinks up!) My brother in law fondly told me "Susie, youre not short....youre undertall~!"

Or vertically challenged

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

From what little I've read, it's an Rx hcg group isn't it?

I think you're right

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

This week I am doing just that...LC with the "juice" I came right off of P2 (Tuesday was my last day) and counting the calories and weighing my food just did me in. I like a lil' freedom which is why I LOVE LOVE Atkins. So that's what I am doing this week.

Heck ya, I'd take it too! And I also love Atkins and have done it a few times over the past few years. Worked well for me, just a tad slow. But I am going back on it forever once I reach my goal on hcg.

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Heck ya, I'd take it too! And I also love Atkins and have done it a few times over the past few years. Worked well for me, just a tad slow. But I am going back on it forever once I reach my goal on hcg.

(I may have missed it) but what are you doing right now?

[Deb294evr]

Yes it is an RX group, but that was all they had available at the time I believe. I know my HHCG works for me I am sure as well as RX. Most say it gives the same results. I am happy so I won't be trying RX anytime soon... I will however, try her experiment out!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

Exercise (even if just strolling down the street) will give you such a boost of energy and confidence to boot

Taebo? OMG!!!! I totally forgot about those! I have a few somewhere in my house. I think now that the weather is cooling off, I should dust some off. I used to LOVE TAEBO!! I took advantage all summer tho'. I would strap dd (5) in the stroller and head out with her every single night. Then every other day, I lifted. I am not a light lifter tho'. I do HEAVY WEIGHTS (this was advise given to ME on how to transform my body). I think this is why I don't look the weight I am.

FTR - I would workout for you if it would benefit ya

AWE THANKS my friend... :blush:

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by 12yrslater

(I may have missed it) but what are you doing right now?

Basically I'm officially on Round 4, VLCD 35 of homeopathic 'rogue' hcg. I started hHCG in mid March. Before that I was on Atkins for about two months....this time. Heh.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

Yes it is an RX group, but that was all they had available at the time I believe. I know my HHCG works for me I am sure as well as RX. Most say it gives the same results. I am happy so I won't be trying RX anytime soon... I will however, try her experiment out!

Problem is ... at least what I've noticed ... is that the Rx peeps are pretty anti-homeopathic hcg and tell you so! I was on three yahoo groups for awhile and it got a tad 'lively' sometimes! Not everyone is that rigid, but it happens. That was the only reason I asked about it.

[Deb294evr]

My lower day is going well so far.. 646 cals including the dinner that I have not had yet.. not hungry, but feeling empty and good.. makes no sense.. I don't like counting cals, I just enter the things I have in ****** and let them do it... plus everything I have a lot is in there, no fuss, no work.

I must be stronger tonight especially if I am not hungry. If I am hungry, then by all means I can eat... freedom........

boring food day 2.

Apple
Grapefruit half
cottage cheese half cup
chicken, 7 oz raw
diet dr p
pickle
cabbage, beef, tomato stuff
coffee w/cream.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

I don't like counting cals, I just enter the things I have in ****** and let them do it... plus everything I have a lot is in there, no fuss, no work.

That's a good idea! I HATE counting cals and I know I'm not going to start weighing food again. Can keep eyeballing the food estimates and slap them into ****** for the cals. I like it!!!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

That's a good idea! I HATE counting cals and I know I'm not going to start weighing food again. Can keep eyeballing the food estimates and slap them into ****** for the cals. I like it!!!

Me too Marci! too many years of calorie counting for me! Yes, keep eyeballing it, you know what a portion is by now, we all do.

Those folks who LOVE weighing and measuring can keep on doing it and be happy!...good thing we are all different, makes the world go round!

[Selahgal]

I read the long post about that person who was doing the Calorie Switching and I see where Meek's doing Calorie & Carb Counting ... I wonder if these can be merged into yet another version? Calories & Carbs Switching Days? High and low calories, high & low carbs, etc.

Of course, high carb probably wouldn't be such a good thing tho. Maybe just do low carb some days instead of low cal or something.

Man, I need to rest my wired brain awhile ....

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I read the long post about that person who was doing the Calorie Switching and I see where Meek's doing Calorie & Carb Counting ... I wonder if these can be merged into yet another version? Calories & Carbs Switching Days? High and low calories, high & low carbs, etc.

Of course, high carb probably wouldn't be such a good thing tho. Maybe just do low carb some days instead of low cal or something.

Man, I need to rest my wired brain awhile ....

I think it could!! why don't you come up with something in your spare time Marci?.....

[Deb294evr]

Good Morning Rebels! .. I am in new territory today!!.. 219.8. Not a wonderful loss, but this is where I always get stuck IF I EVER GET HERE... It has been several years now since I have seen it..

I ended up with 1428 cals yesterday. I need to go higher today, and I will with some chicken thighs and legs..... baking in the oven right now.. then I am off to work and up for a nice weekend... everyone have a great day!!

[tempted_by_food]

Deb....Woot congrats on the virgin territory

Happy enough today I was down a 1lb and back in my window without another damn steakday lol

eats were

1/2 rack of BBQ ribs
1/2lb of steak
2 cream cheese muffins
a few choc's
1 cupcake

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by tempted_by_food

Deb....Woot congrats on the virgin territory

Happy enough today I was down a 1lb and back in my window without another damn steakday lol

eats were

1/2 rack of BBQ ribs
1/2lb of steak
2 cream cheese muffins
a few choc's
1 cupcake

You just don't know how happy I am for you!!!!! I'm kickin up my heels!!! YES! you go girl!

[TxMom3]

Hi girls! Just found your spot and I am finding this VERY interesting! I did hhcg in April and lost about 10 lbs in 21 days. I did not do a very good p3/p4 and am back up 3lbs from then. (which considering I have been on/off low-carb the whole time I guess could be much worse!) I tried to do another round and flaked out quickly! This experiment may be just what I need. I have been lc this week and am going to add drops today and see what happens. My most difficult thing is skipping coffee (I use half & half and sf drops) but when I stuck to protocol I just drank tea and no coffee. That half & half is the one thing that has been so difficult giving up! (I have a friend that uses fat free half & half as her allotted milk serving, but I just can't do it~seems like a waste of time to me!)

anyway, looking forward to seeing how this goes! I will keep you all posted!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by TxMom3

Hi girls! Just found your spot and I am finding this VERY interesting! I did hhcg in April and lost about 10 lbs in 21 days. I did not do a very good p3/p4 and am back up 3lbs from then. (which considering I have been on/off low-carb the whole time I guess could be much worse!) I tried to do another round and flaked out quickly! This experiment may be just what I need. I have been lc this week and am going to add drops today and see what happens. My most difficult thing is skipping coffee (I use half & half and sf drops) but when I stuck to protocol I just drank tea and no coffee. That half & half is the one thing that has been so difficult giving up! (I have a friend that uses fat free half & half as her allotted milk serving, but I just can't do it~seems like a waste of time to me!)

anyway, looking forward to seeing how this goes! I will keep you all posted!

OOHHH

I think this might be right up your alley then!! We DO CREAM!! or H and H if you prefer! ...

Whatever works for YOU. This is the place to get ideas and experiment! So many are having success with being rebels, what do we have to lose by giving it a try?... FAT?....time?.. it's worth a shot!

Please post and let us know what and how you are doing.. you could be helping others just like YOU!

[12yrslater]

Rebels!!!

To all the "losers"

Newbie Rebels! Pull up a chair and enjoy!

So I woke up this morning to no loss. I'm very ok with that as I am not watching a drop of what I am eating really! I'm not cycling just yet. I am eating purely LC and alot of it! :blush:

Yesterday I ate:

Coffee (HUGE MUG) with HWC
Chicken breast with salsa and broccoli (boring - need to start bringing my own food!)
DH made HUGE chicken breasts stuffed with cheese and red peppers and then he wrapped the breasts in bacon and baked! It was to die for! Had roasted broccoli with it. I was UBER STUFFED. Then topped my nite with a small cup of coffee with cream.

This weekend I will be eating low carb but not saying no to higher carb food like beans and probably a few TORTILLAS. (Missing em sooo much). Next week will start my actual cycling

[Kiley2801]

I've read this entire thread and I'm loving it! You guys are trailblazers, and I salute you!!!

I'm still in my long 2nd round, and I am 'rogue' in that I've consistently eaten more protein per meal (up to 150 g--oooohhh) and still had good results. And a few times a week, I do a "double protein day" where I skip all fruit (never eat the melbas) and eat a whopping 400 grams of protein. It works for me!!

Oh, and I exercise, and plan to KEEP exercising in phase 3--- how about them (hcg list-approved) apples!

I haven't tried calorie staggering but I am thinking for my 3rd round that is exactly what I am going to try!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Kiley2801

I've read this entire thread and I'm loving it! You guys are trailblazers, and I salute you!!!

I'm still in my long 2nd round, and I am 'rogue' in that I've consistently eaten more protein per meal (up to 150 g--oooohhh) and still had good results. And a few times a week, I do a "double protein day" where I skip all fruit (never eat the melbas) and eat a whopping 400 grams of protein. It works for me!!

Oh, and I exercise, and plan to KEEP exercising in phase 3--- how about them (hcg list-approved) apples!

I haven't tried calorie staggering but I am thinking for my 3rd round that is exactly what I am going to try!

TRAILBLAZER!!!!!! I LOVE that term!!! Brings to mind all sorts of HEROIC and BRAVE leaders!!! Welcome to the outlaws mob!!!

[12yrslater]

Originally Posted by Kiley2801

I've read this entire thread and I'm loving it! You guys are trailblazers, and I salute you!!!

I'm still in my long 2nd round, and I am 'rogue' in that I've consistently eaten more protein per meal (up to 150 g--oooohhh) and still had good results. And a few times a week, I do a "double protein day" where I skip all fruit (never eat the melbas) and eat a whopping 400 grams of protein. It works for me!!

Oh, and I exercise, and plan to KEEP exercising in phase 3--- how about them (hcg list-approved) apples!

I haven't tried calorie staggering but I am thinking for my 3rd round that is exactly what I am going to try!

Sounds like you are having great results tweaking the program yourself

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

OOHHH I think this might be right up your alley then!! We DO CREAM!! or H and H if you prefer! ...

You betcha! I do half n half and have since week two of Round 1 about the first week of April when I went totally ROGUE! I would LOVE to go 'all the way' back to the Hazelnut 'sugar free' creamers but they have LOTS of other crap in them INCLUDING SUGAR, just LESS of it. Cause my one cup of coffee needs to be SWEET and CREAMY!

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

TRAILBLAZER!!!!!! I LOVE that term!!! Brings to mind all sorts of HEROIC and BRAVE leaders!!! Welcome to the outlaws mob!!!

I LOVE IT!!!.....