Anyone change from injections to shots mid-round?

[Crispy]

I started P3 but didn't add slowly enough so after one week of P3 I decided to call it a planned interruption and head back to P2 today.

Should I continue with shots until I hit immunity and then start hhcg drops or should I only finish 40 injections and then on the 41st day change to the drops so I won't ever hit immunity and continue the long round on drops til I reach goal?

Anyone switch and been ok and continued to lose? Did you change to drops before hitting immunity?

Help......

[kimberlybimberly]

Originally Posted by Crispy

I started P3 but didn't add slowly enough so after one week of P3 I decided to call it a planned interruption and head back to P2 today.

Should I continue with shots until I hit immunity and then start hhcg drops or should I only finish 40 injections and then on the 41st day change to the drops so I won't ever hit immunity and continue the long round on drops til I reach goal?

Anyone switch and been ok and continued to lose? Did you change to drops before hitting immunity?

Help......

I have no information or experience with this. My OPINION, though, is that after 40 days of rX hCG, you should do a full P3 and P4. I would be less concerned about immunity and more concerned about stressing your body and messing up the resetting of the hypothalmus. A "long round" is the 40 days you will have completed at that time.

[Crispy]

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

I have no information or experience with this. My OPINION, though, is that after 40 days of rX hCG, you should do a full P3 and P4. I would be less concerned about immunity and more concerned about stressing your body and messing up the resetting of the hypothalmus. A "long round" is the 40 days you will have completed at that time.

I do understand that concern totally but have seen many people on hhcg on other forums and even here that have gone lots longer then the 40 days and been fine resetting......I think the longest I had read about on hhcg was like 119 days......I know I won't need that long though! I hit my 40th day soon and will definitely need to go longer with this P3 screw up!

[torister]

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

I have no information or experience with this. My OPINION, though, is that after 40 days of rX hCG, you should do a full P3 and P4. I would be less concerned about immunity and more concerned about stressing your body and messing up the resetting of the hypothalmus. A "long round" is the 40 days you will have completed at that time.

I agree. Dr. Simeon recommended a long round (40 days or 34 lbs) for people with a substantial amount of weight to lose and you don't fit into that category. You might have already reached your immunity level...you really can't know that for sure. I think its more important to make sure you don't stress your body than it is to see a particular number on the scale. I would be more concerned about being able to stay at that weight after such a long round. I worry that's all.

I don't think I need to say that just because people do longer rounds, doesn't mean that they should or that its good for them. JMO for what its worth.

In any event....good luck.

[kimberlybimberly]

Originally Posted by Crispy

I do understand that concern totally but have seen many people on hhcg on other forums and even here that have gone lots longer then the 40 days and been fine resetting......I think the longest I had read about on hhcg was like 119 days......I know I won't need that long though! I hit my 40th day soon and will definitely need to go longer with this P3 screw up!

I understand that. You are talking about hhcg, though. After 40 days on rX, I really think your body needs a break. I, personally, wouldn't mess around with the rX.

As always, your choice. Best of luck.

[torister]

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

I understand that. You are talking about hhcg, though. After 40 days on rX, I really think your body needs a break. I, personally, wouldn't mess around with the rX.

As always, your choice. Best of luck.

^^ This. The RX is already in your body...and it will need to leave your body on its own timeframe.

Just copying a part of P&I so that you can see this. Again, I support you in whatever choice you make, but P2 IMO is not worth it if you have already hit immunity and are not going to lose the rest of your weight and take the risk of losing normal fat.

Immunity to HCG

The reason for limiting a course to 40 injections is that by then some patients may begin to show signs of HCG immunity. Though this phenomenon is well known, we cannot as yet define the underlying mechanism. Maybe after a certain length of time the body learns to break down and eliminate HCG very rapidly, or possibly prolonged treatment leads to some sort of counter-regulation which annuls the diencephalic effect.
After 40 daily injections it takes about six weeks before this so called immunity is lost and HCG again becomes fully effective. Usually after about 40 injections patients may feel the onset of immunity as hunger which was previously absent. In those comparatively rare cases in which signs of immunity develop before the full course of 40 injections has been completed-say at the 35th injection- treatment must be stopped at once, because if it is continued the patients begin to look weary and drawn, feel weak and hungry and any further loss of weight achieved is then always at the expense of normal fat. This is not only undesirable, but normal fat is also instantly regained as soon as the patient is returned to a free diet.
Patients who need only 23 injections may be injected daily, including Sundays, as they never develop immunity. In those that take 40 injections the onset of immunity can be delayed if they are given only six injections a week, leaving out Sundays or any other day they choose, provided that it is always the same day. On the days on which they do not receive the injections they usually feel a slight sensation of hunger. At first we thought that this might be purely psychological, but we found that when normal saline is injected without the patient's knowledge the same phenomenon occurs.

[Crispy]

I'm not sure what my decision will be really. I have now emailed some that have done Rx sublingually for over double the 40 days without hitting immunity and stabilized well. I would say that the rx is out of the system in the 3 days as P&I says......I do plan to do P3 differently next time in and take it ultra slow!

I appreciate you putting all of that in there for me to read. I know that I'm not at the point of losing normal fat as I am still about 31% fat.....and as far as not having much to lose, well I do not have as much to lose as others but I am about 15-18lb heavier than I was when I was healthy, lean and muscular.......when I got sick, the weight came on very quickly but before that I was able to maintain a lower weight on my smaller frame without any issues......so yes I don't have tons to lose but I do have abnormal fat to lose. If I could trade the fat for muscle and still weigh what I do now on the scale that would be fine but it doesn't work that way! Once I lose the fat inches and have a higher lean body mass I will be healthier!

Torister I am sure you will see what I decide when I decide in the other weekly thread. I'm still reading, analyzing opinions and trying to decide what will be best.....with the one week P3 break I still have quite a few more VLCD days before I hit 40.....not to mention the most important opinion will be what my doc says when I see him since this was his idea....

[catzrule]

With only 15 pounds to lose, how can you still be at 31% BF? I'm at 35% body fat, but I can stand to lose 20 more pounds.

[torister]

Originally Posted by Crispy

I would say that the rx is out of the system in the 3 days as P&I says......I do plan to do P3 differently next time in and take it ultra slow!

I meant the HCG immunity is still in the body once you have it...not the HCG...that's what I get for rushing!

[Crispy]

Originally Posted by catzrule

With only 15 pounds to lose, how can you still be at 31% BF? I'm at 35% body fat, but I can stand to lose 20 more pounds.

My health issues in the past and not being able to work out for quite some time now and sugar binges have led to a very high body fat. I'm down too and still that high so I know some will take time to get that down with hopefully some exercise eventually and a low carb lifestyle! Health issues that I have can contribute to higher adipose levels, as well as meds and the bad habits with bad diet for so long! I hope to get it down and know I won't reach the level of body fat I've been at with hcg (At least I think so?) but getting as much off as I can with it and then continuing eating for lean and adding in the weights when my health allows it and I will reach the lean body I had before all of this!

Originally Posted by torister

I meant the HCG immunity is still in the body once you have it...not the HCG...that's what I get for rushing!

Haha, thanks! There on some on Biz's board who take a P3 break here and there for 1-2 weeks and have continued with shots without immunity for very long rounds and stabilized so I believe I will continue for a bit longer round and see where it takes me!

[catzrule]

Ah ok, that makes sense Christi. (what, you changed your name here again? LOL) Good thing you didn't change your avatar too. I'm easily confused...

I am an avid T-Tapper for exercise. Once this body fat is gone, I am going to hit that routine again (only 20 minute a day) and I know how fast that workout tones the body up. I'll bring my number down quickly. I just can concentrate on diet AND exercise at one time.

Sorry you have to deal with health issues that make it difficult for you. I hope this plan helps eliminate some of those challenges for you, especially with your 12 hour shifts. eek!

[Crispy]

Originally Posted by catzrule

Ah ok, that makes sense Christi. (what, you changed your name here again? LOL) Good thing you didn't change your avatar too. I'm easily confused...

I am an avid T-Tapper for exercise. Once this body fat is gone, I am going to hit that routine again (only 20 minute a day) and I know how fast that workout tones the body up. I'll bring my number down quickly. I just can concentrate on diet AND exercise at one time.

Sorry you have to deal with health issues that make it difficult for you. I hope this plan helps eliminate some of those challenges for you, especially with your 12 hour shifts. eek!

Ok what is T-Tapper? I've never heard of that! Yes, changed my name again due to some privacy issues & not wanting some to know I was doing hcg as hubby is the only one who knows !