TIPS FOR P2 OF DR. SIMEONS PROTOCOL

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by machis

Since I'm brand-new to the forum, I am SO happy to see that someone incorporates low fat cottage cheese in their smoothie! I am seriously a smoothie-head, but always used fresh eggs, fat-free organic yogurt, spinach, flavoring and stevia to mine. Since dairy is not on the Simeons protocol, I have not added it. Tomorrow I will try and see how my body does - minus the eggs. The point for me was to make a protein-packed smoothie since my body seems to "like" lots of protein.

Try using the unsweetened cocoa with almond and coconut extracts. Tastes like Almond Joy in a cup!

he does allow for cottage cheese

The 500 calorie limit must always be maintained.

2 small apples are not an acceptable exchange for “1 apple.”

Very occasionally we allow egg - boiled, poached or raw - to patients who develop an aversion to meat, but in this case they must add the white of three eggs to the one they eat whole.

Cottage cheese made from skimmed milk is available 100 grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat

now the fat free kind here in America has starches and sugars added to it (and tastes awful!)so i use 1% or if i can't find it i use 2% much better

[garnet10]

I found fat free cottage cheese at Whole Foods (their store brand) that had no additives or anything added to it. Good luck!

[Mishlrene]

Hello! I am new to hcg, I ordered my pellets from netrition today. I have been doing Atkins for 2 months now and my body just refuses to give in. I learned about Dr. Simeons from a friend and read his protocol and found this sticky. I am nervous and excited at the same time. I think that years of dieting has contributed to a decreased metabolism and I hope that this will help fix that. So now I am hoping that UPS runs quick and I have the pellets in 2 days not 3!

[garnet10]

Originally Posted by Mishlrene

Hello! I am new to hcg, I ordered my pellets from netrition today. I have been doing Atkins for 2 months now and my body just refuses to give in. I learned about Dr. Simeons from a friend and read his protocol and found this sticky. I am nervous and excited at the same time. I think that years of dieting has contributed to a decreased metabolism and I hope that this will help fix that. So now I am hoping that UPS runs quick and I have the pellets in 2 days not 3!

I hope you enjoy success with this diet protocol! I could not lose weight any other way. Best of luck to you!

[katiesmemaw]

After a lifetime of every other attempt to lose and keep it off..........hcg has worked for me!!! I'm in R2P2D10 (second round,phase 2, and day 10). This isn't easy but then neither was my stomach stapling in 1991 and I managed to gain back 65 ish pounds after years following the surgery!! I now weigh less than I did at my lowest after the surgery!!
Good Luck! come here often with questions, support, inspiration etc
Betty

[HeaterAS]

This is fantastic. Thanks so much for stickying this post!

[DimSumKitty]

Originally Posted by cd41276

Hello, I am new to the forum, but not new to HCG. I did HCG about a year ago, I did the injections and got them from a local clinic. So I am on day 1 of the vlcd using drops, I notice I am a lot more hungry than I was on the injections I don't know if it is becuase I had more calories consumed before or if because the drops are not as effective. Anyone have any expierence using both?

Hey there:
I never tried the drops, or the actual injections, but instead mixed my own sub-lingual drops made from hCG, B 12, and with the colloidal silver. I lost 10 pounds in 7 days. Sorry I don't have an answer to your question. I have read comments by people who used the naturopathic/drops hCG who got great results. I've only heard of good results from the injections, too.

Good luck!

[machis]

My friend did the injections and the physician-assisted version, but decided to go it on her own after she got the hang of the diet. She switched from the injections to the homeopathic drops and saw absolutely no difference in the way the drops performed vs. the shots. She's lost about 100 lbs -- and I am sooo inspired!

My other friend used the hCG on a different vlcd. She's been able to stay within 5 lbs of her goal for over two years. She goes on about 1000 calories with the drops and has done very well.

Hope this helps!

[machis]

I am wondering if using B12 complex and colloidal silver makes a difference in the weight loss with hCG? Several posters have mentioned using these - how do they work, and do they help?

My husband has lost 28+ pounds on the Simeons protocol and the hhCG drops - he is soooo jazzed! I, on the other hand, have NOT had such sterling success. Guys have a different metabolism than the ladies do, I know. But in the same time period I have lost 13. In 32 days.

Grrrrr....!!!

Soooo I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to accelerate the weight loss? Sometimes I have had a snack within a couple hours of bedtime in order to achieve the 500 calories, but have kept to the 500 calorie limit. Is it possible that eating that late is affecting this?

Suggestions, advice, and counsel would be much appreciated! Thanks, all!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by machis

Soooo I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to accelerate the weight loss? Sometimes I have had a snack within a couple hours of bedtime in order to achieve the 500 calories, but have kept to the 500 calorie limit. Is it possible that eating that late is affecting this?

Suggestions, advice, and counsel would be much appreciated! Thanks, all!

I found out that when I ate late, even though it was my P2 approved foods, I would not lose much on the scale the next day. I worked night shifts at Starbucks for a few of my rounds and would wait til I was done with that shift to eat dinner. Eating at 9PM, or later, I found out the hard way is NOT good for me and P2!!!! I had to make sure I made a conscious effort to eat my dinner during my shift and at around 6 or 6:30PM when I worked. I now know that I have to be very careful with eating late at night at any time now, whether I am in P2 or P3 or beyond.

[machis]

Thanks for confirming about eating late. I get really hungry sometimes, especially if I've been up since 4 am and can't get to bed before 11. Although I graze throughout the day on P2-approved foods, I can't get to sleep - or stay asleep - with a growly belly. If I drink more fluids to fill my stomach, that just means more jaunts to the bathroom when I should be sleeping.

[DimSumKitty]

Originally Posted by machis

I am wondering if using B12 complex and colloidal silver makes a difference in the weight loss with hCG? Several posters have mentioned using these - how do they work, and do they help? ...Is it possible that eating that late is affecting this?

I know that eating later in the day, for most people, means the food may not be metabolized right away or as well. I try to eat while it is very light out and avoid eating after sundown at all. The B12 worked really well for me and the colloidal silver, not sure why. Different bodies and different metabolisms. B12 is used by the body in normal cellular function, cell replication and repair, and also metabolism and energy production. So, obviously, helping out the metabolism could be helpful. Not sure why the colloidal silver is part of the protocol, but it is supposed to kill virus/bacteria and such at the cellular level... which sounds like a good thing.

Good luck!

[eko42]

Hello Everyone,
After doing Atkins for 30 days with absolutely no cheating I only lost 4 pounds! I am throwing in the low carb towel and trying HCG. I loaded on Monday and Tuesday, and today is my first low calorie day. Thank you for all the helpful tips in this thread. I feel very inspired and motivated after reading it.

Erin---

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by eko42

Hello Everyone,
After doing Atkins for 30 days with absolutely no cheating I only lost 4 pounds! I am throwing in the low carb towel and trying HCG. I loaded on Monday and Tuesday, and today is my first low calorie day. Thank you for all the helpful tips in this thread. I feel very inspired and motivated after reading it.

Erin---

Great Luck Eko!

[machis]

Thanks for the suggestions and insights. I love taking B6 for increased mental energy. It used to be my supplement-of-choice in the ongoing brass knuckle battle against PMS...back when that was an issue! But I never saw the big difference with B12 complex that I did with B6. I am starting on B12 complex sublingual by Sundown today to see if that doesn't accelerate things. Medi Weight Loss used B12 complex injections to accelerate metabolic burn, but that was a pharmaceutical grade that I can't get.

I have noticed that my sleeplessness directly coincides with a spike in weight gain. Some have said sleeplessness CAUSES weight gain. But what if the same metabolic instability that causes weight gain also causes sleeplessness? I think it's the reverse of common wisdom...I am not neglecting sleep - I CAN'T sleep. And my insomnia coincides with the spike in my weight.

That's my simple take on things.

Last night I slept like a baby for the first time in days. This morning, the scale was my friend and told me I lost 2.2 pounds. Coincidence? Hmmm.... Other than the change in my ability to sleep, nothing else was different in my following the protocols, etc.

[machis]

BTW - I use Benadryl as a sleep aid nightly, in addition to the benefit it brings to my allergies. With melatonin I feel "drugged" the next day, even on the lowest dose. I have taken both melatonin and Benadryl during times of extreme insomnia, but have had limited results doing that. So - for now - the insomnia overrules my best efforts to obtain quality sleep. It seems to be cyclical, but no longer related to my monthly cycles - because I am post-menopausal (Thank You, GOD!!!!).

[DimSumKitty]

When I had terrible insomnia, although it was odd... would often wake from 3 AM to 6 or 7, I had acupuncture from a clinic and after number of sessions it went away. They gave me an herbal tea as part of it, which I drank per their prescription. I saw senior students, under the supervision of a licensed acupuncturist who was very experienced/educated (she checked me each time, briefly) and it was very inexpensive... like $20. There may be other cures .

[machis]

Help! I seem to have stalled in actually losing the weight and the momentum! For eight days now, I have fluctuated between 147 & 144. Seems as though I am just "hovering" in this range with a few ounces lost one day, then more ounces gained the next. I was finally able to sleep Saturday night (11+ hours! Yea!) after over four days of less than four hours/nite. I am keeping to the being done with eating by about 7:30, which I'm sure has kept me from gaining even more.

How do I get out of this stupid stall and return to being the happy loser I know I can be? LOL

Thanks, everyone, for the support. You guys are awesome!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by machis

Help! I seem to have stalled in actually losing the weight and the momentum! For eight days now, I have fluctuated between 147 & 144. Seems as though I am just "hovering" in this range with a few ounces lost one day, then more ounces gained the next. I was finally able to sleep Saturday night (11+ hours! Yea!) after over four days of less than four hours/nite. I am keeping to the being done with eating by about 7:30, which I'm sure has kept me from gaining even more.

How do I get out of this stupid stall and return to being the happy loser I know I can be? LOL

Thanks, everyone, for the support. You guys are awesome!

Dr Simeon's calls for an apple day when you are stalled for 4 or more days. I would suggest doing one. They have helped me get out of a stall. Good luck!!

[machis]

I will have to try the apple day if I can't get going here right away. How many times have you stalled? Kinda wondering if it has anything to do with me being on this first round for 40 days? I'm on day 37. It hasn't been as wretched as I had initially thought, but I have to say that after the first two weeks, the weight loss slowed dramatically. (Boooo!) It may just be my weird body, though. When I did the 500-calorie thing on Medi Weight Loss, my best loss was only 2.5 pounds in a WEEK. Every other week was only 2.2 pounds. And I was maniacal in following the plan.

Like I said, it's very possible that it's just a "me thing."

Thoughts?

[DimSumKitty]

Originally Posted by machis

Thoughts?

Is it possible you have allergies, such as to wheat, which make it hard for you to lose on the Simeon's protocol?

Also, you are already at a fairly light weight, it can make it much harder to lose weight... without also doing some serious boot-camp intensity exercise.

Plus, be sure you're not using cosmetics and/or products with oils in them... endocrine balance and hormones (and avoiding the use of prohibited items) is essential for success on the hCG diet. It is best to read "Pounds and Inches" to be certain your are following the strict protocol.

Hope some of that is helpful . Good luck!

[machis]

DimSumKitty - I know I have a wheat sensitivity, so I avoid wheat altogether even when I'm not on hCG. Discovered this when I was on Medi a couple years ago. As far as cosmetics go, my makeup is oil-free because I have oily skin and live in Florida. I read Pounds & Inches when I began the protocol 38 days ago. There are fine points about the program that I have glean from being on this thread, though. Thanks for the support, everyone! What a blessing you are!

[martiangurll]

Originally Posted by machis

I will have to try the apple day if I can't get going here right away. How many times have you stalled? Kinda wondering if it has anything to do with me being on this first round for 40 days? I'm on day 37. It hasn't been as wretched as I had initially thought, but I have to say that after the first two weeks, the weight loss slowed dramatically. (Boooo!) It may just be my weird body, though. When I did the 500-calorie thing on Medi Weight Loss, my best loss was only 2.5 pounds in a WEEK. Every other week was only 2.2 pounds. And I was maniacal in following the plan.

Like I said, it's very possible that it's just a "me thing."

Thoughts?

Are you on drops or injections? Maybe you are developing immunity or you have no more fat stores to burn? Just my 2 cents. I would break for P3 and do another round to take advantage of the big losses at the beginning.

[PenPen13]

Does anyone know how long the HCG drops are good for? I finished doing three weeks of P3 and I am trying to decide if I want to do another round of P2. I just don't know if I need to buy fresh HCG drops or if I can use what I have. I think I have enough to do another 23 day round.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by PenPen13

Does anyone know how long the HCG drops are good for? I finished doing three weeks of P3 and I am trying to decide if I want to do another round of P2. I just don't know if I need to buy fresh HCG drops or if I can use what I have. I think I have enough to do another 23 day round.

You can use what you have. I have done multiple rounds and when I finish one I have leftover hcg all the time. I use that when I start my next round and it works for me! I hope you have enough for a full round though. Best be safe and get an extra bottle just in case. You don't want to run out at day #19.

[PenPen13]

Thanks Dawn!
So when do you plan to stop going the rounds? I look at your picture and you are so little already! When you are not doing P2 how do you generally have to eat to maintain your weight? I just started P4 and trying to add a few things new such as the almond flour and coconut flour and I already feel like I am adding weight. The scale this week has been ugly but this is the first time I have had TOM added in except when I was on P2. I have also tried some of the sugarfree chocolates, having no more then two little pieces a day. I don't have them everyday but when i feel like something that is what I have. I am going to try an apple day today and see where I end up. I am actually only 2 lbs up as of this morning but my clothes just don't feel as.....comfortable as a few weeks ago. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Not a happy camper today

[machis]

I'm at the end of my 40-days, so I'll be doing a P3 after tomorrow, I think. But I'm still not clear on what is done on P3 - isn't that where I just get off the hhCG drops for two days but continue to follow the 500 cals/day? Or is that where I gradually add low glycemic foods back into my diet for a period of time? Still a little confused about P3. I'm still 19 pounds from my goal. Thanks for the coaching, everyone! You're a great lifeline!

[martiangurll]

Machis, you continue at 500 calories a day for 2 to 3 days until appetite returns then you start P3 to reset your hypothalamus and maintain your weight for a minimum of 3 weeks. You add back proteins, fats and veggies (and you can now mix!) and just make sure the scale stays the same. Many folks add things back one at a time or just transition to Atkins. The difference is you can have some fruits, no grains or starches or sugars.

[machis]

Originally Posted by martiangurll

Machis, you continue at 500 calories a day for 2 to 3 days until appetite returns then you start P3 to reset your hypothalamus and maintain your weight for a minimum of 3 weeks. You add back proteins, fats and veggies (and you can now mix!) and just make sure the scale stays the same. Many folks add things back one at a time or just transition to Atkins. The difference is you can have some fruits, no grains or starches or sugars.

I guess that may be why I'm a little confused. I thought that was P4, based on what I've read in other threads and on other sites. Dr. Simeons doesn't break down his amazing diet into phases like Kevin Trudeau has done. Haven't read Trudeau's book, but have seen it referenced jillions of times in relation to doing phases.

I'm 5'3" and - until menopause - my peak weight was 117. After menopause - and some unrelated simultaneous traumas - I went from 117 to around 200 in about 18 months! So I'm trying hard to reset my hypothalamus and get my life back!!! I have no intention of having to "police" every bite of food for the rest of my life, so the hypothalamus thing made total sense to me when I read P & I.

So if I'm on the homeopathic drops, do I have to discontinue them for the two days just because I'm reaching the 40-day mark? If I'm still not at my goal weight, I'm concerned about getting off the P2 and adding more calories just yet. I've been told that with the homeopathic drops, you don't build up immunity to it and don't have to cycle off. But my metabolism is definitely not turbo-charging as I read others' typically are, so if I need to shift out of P2 or cycle off the drops or whatever, I will do whatever I need to do to get charged-up and burn off this lard!

Hope this doesn't sound whiny. Since this is my first time on hhCG & the Simeons diet, it kinda feels like the Land of Oz sometimes. I count on the counsel of you trailblazers to guide me.

Thanks for your input! It is appreciated!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by machis

I guess that may be why I'm a little confused. I thought that was P4, based on what I've read in other threads and on other sites. Dr. Simeons doesn't break down his amazing diet into phases like Kevin Trudeau has done. Haven't read Trudeau's book, but have seen it referenced jillions of times in relation to doing phases.

I'm 5'3" and - until menopause - my peak weight was 117. After menopause - and some unrelated simultaneous traumas - I went from 117 to around 200 in about 18 months! So I'm trying hard to reset my hypothalamus and get my life back!!! I have no intention of having to "police" every bite of food for the rest of my life, so the hypothalamus thing made total sense to me when I read P & I.

So if I'm on the homeopathic drops, do I have to discontinue them for the two days just because I'm reaching the 40-day mark? If I'm still not at my goal weight, I'm concerned about getting off the P2 and adding more calories just yet. I've been told that with the homeopathic drops, you don't build up immunity to it and don't have to cycle off. But my metabolism is definitely not turbo-charging as I read others' typically are, so if I need to shift out of P2 or cycle off the drops or whatever, I will do whatever I need to do to get charged-up and burn off this lard!

Hope this doesn't sound whiny. Since this is my first time on hhCG & the Simeons diet, it kinda feels like the Land of Oz sometimes. I count on the counsel of you trailblazers to guide me.

Thanks for your input! It is appreciated!!!

Since you are on the homeopathic you wait 48 hours after your last dose of hcg before eating P3 style. When you are done with the 48 hours (and eating P2 still) you start P3--that means bring on the bacon and eggs for breakfast!!! You do not wait til your appetite catches up to you, because it just might not. P3 is what Dr Simeon's calls the "no sugar no starch" phase. That is what is P3. Based on that, you can eat what you want. you don't have to wait for a week to add in turkey or cheese. You can have that on Day #1 of P3 if you wish!!! Imagine eating a real salad, or greek yogurt or even bacon on your first day of P3!! Yum, I can imagine that now!!! Good luck!!! Once you are done with 3 weeks of P3 you do 3 weeks of P4 and then you can do another round of hcg. That is how I lost my weight. I did a number of rounds as it is laid out in Pounds and Inches.